Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 3) (3/26/26)

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of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up where we left off with the captain

from MCC and his interview with the OIG inspectors. Question is there any other secure housing unit

within the MCC? Answer there is only one secured housing unit that's the shoe. Question

okay not he gets cut off by the captain but however we do have 10 South and 10 South is 4 I believe

those are for the salmon mates and those inmates are under a specialized monitoring which comes from

I believe it's from the attorney general I believe I can't remember who the person is that's

over it but I believe that it was the attorney general or whoever makes that determination for those

salmon mates. Question okay and what is Sam stand for? Answer I believe I can't remember question

okay but is it like SA MS answer that's correct question okay like an acronym answer it's an

acronym question okay and that is not made by anyone at the MCC that's made by the attorney general

answer yeah question all right was there any discussion of placing Epstein in one of those units

answer no question could he have been placed in one of those units answer I'm sure he could have

questioned what I mean by executive staff or would they have to have made a call to he gets cut

off answer I believe they would have had to make special concessions for the inmate answer okay

question they would have to you know vet them and someone would have to approve it I believe outside

the executive staff at MCC question okay and then that's where I meant by is the executive staff

able to independently answer no we are not question okay where there are many inmates housed within

10 South at the time answer no I believe at the time we may have had a total of four to five

of course you know we have the notorious Joaquin Guzman up there El Chapo we also had the apple

puff fanatic was up there we also had inmate it starts with an S I can't remember his name

but basically these are inmates that have made crimes against the United States which

was deemed that those inmates would be in that special management unit and they couldn't of course

go to the general population question was this like a terrorist type of people answer I would say

some of them are terrorists you know of course you had Joaquin Guzman was up there the terrorist

kingpin drug kingpin he couldn't go on a general population unit answer sure question he would go

normally guys like that would be in a place where I come from before you know he would be at ADX

I believe that a pop I think that was his name a pop-off or a pop-off these guys had made terrorist

threats against the United States or there were guys up there that had material or that was found

in cooperation with outside agencies that were trying to detriment of indesernable and cause harm

to the United States these kinds of guys they were the ones that were put in the unit answer sure

question guys you wouldn't want in general population because of their recruitment their value

or their radical ability that they could be able to have recruitment value for you know for other

inmates in general population you don't want those guys in there answer yeah question but Jeffrey

Epstein you know he's a multi billionaire question sure now as far as 10 South is that one inmate

Purcell answer yeah question and video monitored at all times answer yes question okay so it's like

your maximum security type answer that type would be the highest security that an inmate at MCC

could be placed in question okay answer yeah could be placed in yeah question but the executive

team never discussed that answer no question okay redacted advise that Epstein preferred not to have

a cellmate and engaged in manipulative behavior to avoid having one what type of behavior answer

I believe that Epstein and when I first came in he was doing self manipulative behavior you know he

was showing passive resistant activity as far as you know when they're taking meals or wouldn't

listen to staff as far as when they're giving him direction you know he would sit in his cell and

he wouldn't talk I believe he wasn't taking meals at one point he was refusing to take showers

things of that nature question and the sentence continues including requesting to see a psychologist

answer yeah question is that part of it answer yeah question okay did he say why he wanted to see a

psychologist answer I don't know question no answer well I remember that no question sure at Epstein's

request he was interviewed by a psychologist do you know who he made that request to would it

have been a shoe staff answer he probably would have made those requests to any of the staff that

may have been monitoring him at the time because if he was placed on psychological observation at the

time psychological observation you would have had to have staff person that sat there and monitored

the inmate another inmate couldn't have monitored him question okay and that is is that like 24-7

answer that would have been 24 hours of that seven days a week question so a staff member

would just sit there and watch answer correct question communicate with him or no answer yeah of course

question okay answer I mean that's you know encouraged even though the inmates placed in that situation

again we're talking about humanity here question uh-huh answer you know you want to gauge this

guys mental acuity meaning that the inmate you want to know how he's feeling how he's doing

answer sure question is he improving or is he declining because if he's declining and you can

actually see it you want to contact somebody you know if this guy is in there being very very you

know belligerent he's being passive aggressive or active resistant or displaying signs of violence

you want to make sure you notify someone you're not going to just sit there and allow this guy to

do self harm to himself and or staff when they come to the door to provide his services you know

such as taking him to shower providing his meals providing his medication or whatever it is

so you just don't want to sit there and allow this inmate just you know if he is going to be

detrimentally could be harmed to staff or himself you want to ensure that you notify someone

answer okay so following that assessment Epstein was initially placed on suicide watch he was

later interviewed again and downgraded the psychological observation now just for the suicide watch

and psychological observation were they located answer they would be conducted downstairs on the

second floor in the health services area question and that's outside of the shoe correct answer

that is correct question and that was prior to any attempt on his life or anything like that

answer that is correct question okay was that after some time he was returned to the shoe

redacted began hearing talk that Epstein was trying to get back on suicide watch

information like this is usually generated from rounds kites and kites or notes correct answer correct

question and notes from inmates specifically correct answer it could be yes that would be inmate

correspondence question yeah and monitoring phone calls and letters answer correct question

so the hearing of talk that's all based on inmate talk answer that would have been all that staff

question okay staff as well answer you know staffing sitting there and you know especially when he's

on suicide watch staff are taking notes so it's every 15 minutes you know staff oh I'm sorry every

30 minutes I believe I can't remember it's been a while but you know a staff member it's every 30

minutes I believe is taking a log of what the inmate is doing inside of his cell so you know what he is

doing the inmate is facing to the right the inmate is facing away from the staff the inmate is you know

doing what or he makes statements those statements will be written in the log question okay it says

honor about July 23rd 2019 Epstein was found on a responsive on the floor of his cell

with a homemade piece of fabric on his chest when you say a homemade piece of fabric can you explain

that a little bit answer okay basically a homemade piece of fabric it could be anything because it's

out of the special housing unit that's what we're talking about right answer yeah I mean I'm

talking about specifically in this instance do you know what is meant by found on the floor with

a homemade piece of fabric on his chest answer it could have been fragments from a t-shirt

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he gets interrupted that they could tie together answer it was tied together

you know indesernable to make the type of homemade fashioned he gets cut off by the investigator

question did you see it at all though yourself answer i can't remember question okay sure

Epstein celmaid had flagged the attention of a staff member who handcuffed the celmaid

and removed Epstein to bring him to the medical unit do you recall at that time who his celmaid was

answer tartaglioni question okay great and did you all right we talk about him in a little bit

redacted heard from the staff that Epstein may have been faking on consciousness do you know who

told you that answer well basically in memorandum i remember when it was reported to me and i

made my report i believe it was in the report of the incident by redacted question okay answer

and i believe that she had put out an email which concluded that the inmate was showing

manipulative behavior through statements and what was observed by medical staff question okay

answer so basically they were saying that the incident didn't occur as the inmate may have tried

to make it look like or occur question okay and we're going to get into that in a second

because he was not observed opening his eyes and making other suspicious movements

not consistent with an unconscious state or sorry because he was observed opening his eyes

and making other suspicious movements not consistent with an unconscious state

Epstein was medically assessed and became coherent Epstein claimed that his celmaid

Nicolas Tartaglioni tried to take his life was that investigated answer i believe no i mean

i can't remember but i believe a report of incident may have been done question okay answer

and primarily when an incident is generated so anytime that an incident happens in the institution

i'm going to walk you through this the lieutenant that's on shift is supposed to do the initial

fact finding the gathering of evidence okay and of all these things and then they write a brief

synopsis and then it's put in a packet and then ultimately s i s department will investigate it

especially if we're having an assault which would have been a 224 alpha which is a minor assault

of another so pictures would have been taken clinical assessments of both inmates would have been

taken when his statements would have been taken all of these things would have been done

and it goes into an investigative packet question sure so redacted lieutenant would have

created it and provided it to s i s answer and would have created it and for me to move it on

question and do you know if there was any credibility found to the claim that Epstein made

that this other his celmaid had tried to take his life answer i don't believe there was any

credibility that was ever concluded that that incident happened question and you know anything

about how he was initially found if a homemade rope or whatever it was was found around his neck

or says in this on his chest anything with that with you know do you know what i mean like if someone

was trying to hang himself if it came on their chest do you know anything about how that may have

happened answer i mean forensically i wouldn't know i'm not an investigator like that or on that

level so i can't really tell you the position of any type of homemade fashion item that would have

been used to facilitate a suicide attempt or an assault attempt that's not my level again i'm

trying to remember what it was or what was used i don't know exactly so i can't really determine

or give you that type of you know i don't have expertise in that area question but in the

information that was provided to you it was suggested that he tried to take his own life not that

is celmaid tried to take his life answer correct that it was inconclusive that the inmate had

inmate or taglioni had tried to kill this guy or tried to do any self-harm to this guy

so you have to like you have to take an advantage because it's one inmate's word against another

so when the investigation comes down of course inmate absdeen would have been interviewed inmate

or taglioni would have been interviewed at which time you would have those statements you would have

waived and then you would have to look into consideration any witness statements or anything that

was observed during the clinical assessment so that's why health services helps us out because

the inmates don't want to understand that everything they're doing or anything they're saying

is being entered on a clinical assessment so that's where they are saying that his actions may

not have been what they should have been for a person that was quasi supposed to have been

assaulted or if he was supposed to have been unconscious he was displaying this type of manipulative

behavior so again i wasn't there i don't know what occurred i'm just going by what the information

that was relayed back to me all right folks we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode

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