Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 16) (4/7/26)

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode we're going to dive right back in to the unnamed captain's interview

with the OIG investigators.

Question, did you ever cancel either Thomas or Noel?

Answer, no.

I don't know if I have ever cancelled either of them.

Question, ok, answer, no but before this incident but no.

Question, it says all inmate phone calls in the shoe are monitored and inmates have

limited access to phone calls.

All calls should be recorded.

Redacted was not aware of any issues or complaints with Epstein related to phone calls.

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, redacted was told that Epstein made a phone call at approximately

7pm on the evening of Friday, August 9, 2019.

It's uncommon to make an unrecorded phone call in the shoe and redacted would advise

against it because calls should be surveilled.

Inmates can make a recorded phone call in the lieutenant's office where it's documented

in a monitored logbook.

In the shoe, correctional officers are not permitted to give inmate phone calls but a unit

task member or the chaplain can take the inmate to the lieutenant's office and make a call.

It is not briefed on phone calls in the shoe generally but in this case you said that

you did advise redacted that he could and where did the call take place?

Answer, well because I know between that time we had an installed jack.

Question, ok, answer, in shoe in order to do the outgoing calls so they could actually

do calls in the shoe though before the chaplain of course.

So if you had a shoe inmate he didn't have to bring the inmate all the way down to the

lieutenant's office to do a call.

Question, ok, answer.

So there was a jack up there in the I can't remember where it is, I'm sorry.

Question, it's near the shower room, answer, yeah, something like that.

But so we actually have the ability to have that outgoing call capability for those inmates

in shoe because you can't bring them down to the lieutenant's office.

Question, ok, answer.

So you could do an outgoing call capability in the shoe.

Question, ok, and so you did approve that call and then just log it.

Answer, yes, question, ok, and take care of all of that.

Answer, yes I did and that was something that redacted said and redacted was actually,

I believe he was, IDO.

Question and again, what is IDO?

Answer, the institutional duty officer, question and what does that mean?

Answer, that means that every week for a seven day period normally people with a grade

of just 12 and above, 12, 13s would be the institutional or 14s would be the institutional

duty officer, right?

So that means they go around and they check all of the institutional that they're taking

calls after hours from correctional services.

They're reporting certain stuff to the region.

They're doing rounds in the shoe.

They're doing rounds throughout the institution in all the areas of the institution and the

accumulated report which is given to the warden for their review about the daily operation

of the institution during that week.

Also part of that is shoe rounds, you know, they make sure that shoe rounds, everybody

that's supposed to do rounds within a week, you have to do them or you get notified.

And then you notify that Thursday or Friday and you're supposed to go do your rounds

by the close out, you only have to do it there once a week.

So that's just part of the duties, but they bring the report, they create a report of

the total operation.

Any incident that occurred, the accounts in shoe, if they were bad, anything that was

going on in food service or if they observed certain instances during or in general population

that should be addressed by the unit team or correctional services and stuff like that.

And so that's what they do.

And then, okay, and then this concludes, redacted wholeheartedly emphasized that he and his

staff at MCC did their best to supervise, safeguard and ensure the protection of Epstein

and all inmates effectively.

His staff is aware of the seriousness of the investigation into Epstein's death.

Answer right question.

Now as far as what I just read to you, I know it was over the course of two hours, but

I mean four hours, but is there anything else you told the FBI or the OIG that wasn't

included in this report?

Answer yeah, question and what was that regarding answer.

I talked about that when I or it was brief in there, but I talked about Lieutenant redacted

actions, talked about that one.

She didn't do physical rounds in the unit because as I said, I went into true scope because

I wanted to know because I did all this within the time that I got to the institute

position.

I pulled up true scope and I actually go in and I get to see where they're logging in

and doing rounds because once I pull up those reports, because the two I verify off of,

I pull those reports up, I can show where the computer terminals are.

And all of her rounds was done from the lieutenant's office.

Question, okay, I thought aside from the bad count where she should have went, she should

have even with the bad count, she should have been there observing an actual count.

Answer aha, question in the shoe, answer yeah, question and what count?

Answer no no, what she should have done is then done rounds.

Answer oh, question in the shoe that night.

So between ten and six, she should have done around in shoe.

Well any time after 12 a.m. to six, she should have done around in the shoe.

There was no rounds, all the rounds were done from the lieutenant's office.

Question well if she did, I think we do believe that she did conduct around at 4 a.m.

Answer okay, question, so she actually physically went into the shoe at 4 a.m. and spoke with

them and then potentially even came back and checked in a little bit later, answer dude.

It's been a while, I got a little busy, you got a little busy what?

Question, thank you sir and so if she did that one time at 4 a.m. possibly another check

in 10 or 15 minutes later, would that be suffice for whatever the duty and responsibility was?

Answer well that means if you sat there and you did all your rounds, so I did all of

my rounds at the computer office.

Question and never went, answer in the computer.

Question continues and she never, she was supposed to go to the control center and actually

do the counts from there, right?

Answer well you're supposed to take, yeah, one of the counts, so normally we would take

the 345 count or the 5, either one, you could take one of the counts, it don't matter which

one you take, you've just got to take one, the 12, the 3 or the 5, right?

You've got to take a count, you've got to go through to do around in the shoe or around

in shoe, so you have to go actually go physically to the unit and then you're supposed to do

rounds throughout the entire institution.

So if I'm at the lieutenant's desk and I say that all my rounds were done from this

one terminal because you're actually supposed to go in, I provided in card readers.

Question, so they're supposed to, when they do around, they're supposed to log it from

the unit, answer from that terminal, question, okay?

Answer, so that means that they can go to a floor and they don't have to log into both

computers on the floor as long as you log into one on the floor you're good, that's the

policy.

Question, and is it just to show that you were physically there and they're not falsifying

the rounds?

Answer, there is, question, okay?

Answer, so you can't just sit at the desk and say I did all these rounds.

Question, I'm going to investigate the indesernable of what the lieutenant rounds entails.

Question, you can ask again if you want, go ahead.

Answer, I don't remember if you did, I apologize.

If you answered it already, what a lieutenant has done around in, let's say, any tier

and let's say the shoe, what does that entail?

That's actually another question, not the answer, but it's by another investigator who

chimes in.

The problem here is everybody's name is redacted, so every now and then somebody pops in

with a question and it catches your boy off guard.

Answer, they're supposed to go to door by door, just like I explained to you before.

Whether it's supposed to go into the unit, go onto the tier and you're supposed to walk

and look at every cell.

Question, and what he's saying, he just to clarify, he wants to make sure that the lieutenant

that are also supposed to do that.

Answer, yes, question, not just the staff, and is that, and again, for clarification, I

apologize, but it's so much, we've got to dissect, you know?

We're going to have to digest what you told us and listen to it again, but is it every

shift a lieutenant should do that?

Answer, yes, every shift in the 24-hour period rounds have to be conducted by a lieutenant

in shoe.

Question, and so if lieutenant are telling us that they don't, think that's part of their

duties, they're supposed to just do rounds, answer the wrong question or staff, is that

the policy that says that they need to do that?

Answer, yeah, question, so if they're telling us that, are they lying or are they just

lying?

He gets cut off by the captain, I just think they're confused or unaware.

I really do.

If it says that a lieutenant will perform around in special housing, once on their shift.

Question, and then that means an actual not around to check with the staff but around

to actually looking at the inmates?

Answer, no, that's around to walk around the unit.

Question, so in this matter, when you're looking at these 4, 10, and 12, 3, and 5, which

on our duty roster on both August 9th and 10th, which lieutenant should have conducted

the rounds?

Answer, okay, so on August 9th, redacted, Lane should have done the round in the shoe.

Question, but what approximately what time?

Answer, it's going to be from 10, 100 hours, only 2200 hours, 206.

Answer, so the day before, for August 8th, 2200.

Redacted or redacted would have done them, so I don't know who would have done them

on that day, and especially since we didn't have a shoe lieutenant, they should have done

around in the shoe.

Because just like we had the PC unit, that was on the third floor, you was responsible

for doing around in the PC unit.

Question, and are you aware if redacted or redacted?

They were there, do you know if either of them are aware that they needed to do rounds

of inmates in the shoe?

Answer, yeah, they knew, question, okay, answer either one of them would have done it.

Question, okay, answer, so I would say normally when I was operations lieutenant, I would

have sent the activity, hey, go to shoe, go knock out around.

Question, so redacted probably would have been the one there, answer, and then for redacted,

I would have sent, redacted up there.

And alright, so redacted or redacted should have done around, okay, and it doesn't have

to be, so when you're saying around, are you talking about the counts or the rounds?

It could have been any round, because rounds are 30, it would have been 30 minutes or so,

are you talking about one of the main counts?

Answer, so just like a correctional supervisor or lieutenant, it's supposed to make a round

in the shoe.

Question, I know, but what, I just want to make sure that we're clarifying the difference

between the 30 minute round and the, because you said they should have conducted one of

the 4, 10, 12, that's account, so are they supposed to conduct account or just one of

the regular 30 minute rounds?

Answer, no, on every shift within a 24 hour period, a lieutenant is supposed to make

a round in shoe.

Question around, answer, a lieutenant, that's why I would say a lieutenant.

It specifies to, because I can't say the operations, the activities, the admin, no,

a lieutenant, so that's why we get by on day watch, because you have the assigned lieutenant

in the unit that's going to make the said round.

Question, so when redacted, went to, at 4 to the shoe, she should have conducted around

of the inmate, he gets cut off by the captain of the entire unit.

Question, not just checked in with the staff, answer, no, she should have made around.

Question, okay, and then, that's what I wanted to clarify around versus count, because

that could have happened any time in between, you know, for these people, any time in between

any of those counts.

At any time they could have showed up and said, let's do around.

Answer, aha.

All right folks, we're in a wrap up right there, and in the next episode dealing with

the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off.

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