Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 18) (3/20/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In

this episode we're going to dive right back in to the Tova Noel interview with

the OIG inspector. Question so do you remember if that would have been at 10

a little after a little bit before and again this is last time you saw this big

guy who's caused your life to flip upside down. Noel but I can't that's what I'm

saying. Question you just got a ballpark it. Noel it's somewhere around 10

question so you just always write the time of the count. Noel yeah with the

counts even if because remember on the unit you're waiting to count. So let's say

you fill out the 10 o'clock slip but let's say we didn't actually go down

range until 10 30 you don't actually put 10 30 it's a 10 o'clock count. So you're

always going to say 10 o'clock question okay Noel so that's what I'm saying

just ballpark it. Question so approximately 10 p.m. Noel yeah or after 10 question okay so

on the round does that also say 10 p.m. I mean I know you said you populated that one

but what does that one say and that's for August 9th you already said August 10th none of the

rounds were conducted on August 9th I guess around the 10 you know that nothing after 10

was actually conducted on the round sheet. Noel it has after 10 on here question okay so those

ones those ones from then on you know those weren't conducted Noel right remember I didn't fill

this out question you pre-populated it right so I want to make sure we know that you said that

some of those were conducted Noel right question you don't remember which ones you did Noel

right question but I just know that those are the ones that weren't conducted

after 10 p.m. Noel right question okay all right so that last you're saying the last round

and the count were on and one in the same and was that an authorized practice is around an

account if you're doing a 10 p.m. count does that also what can you document on the round sheet

as something you did at 10 p.m. Noel yes question okay so they can overlap for that Noel yes question

were any supervisors present for any cell counts around in the shoe on either August 9th or 10th

2019 Noel no question is there a requirement or was there at that time that a supervisor every

supervisor at least one per shift should have conducted around or account with you guys in the

shoe not of you staff members but the inmates Noel you're saying if the supervisor should have

she gets cut off should a supervisor you know like a lieutenant observed or participated in

account or around of the inmates during their shift at least one do you know of that Noel I think so

question you think that they're supposed to do that Noel yeah question and during your time in the

shoe did a lieutenant ever participate or observe account or around while you were in the shoe

Noel redacted did question redacted did Noel redacted did because she went down on the tears

but on the midnight to 8 lieutenant redacted didn't walk the tears question okay so when redacted

did on August 9th she actually walked the tears and checked out the inmates Noel she did question

she did okay and went around what that have been do you remember Noel I don't remember the time

question did she do it by herself or did she go with you guys while you were conducting around

or account Noel no she didn't do anything with us question so she did it by herself Noel correct

question she walked up and down each of the six tears Noel she went down the tears question

do you know if that is a requirement that a lieutenant does that in the shoe Noel I don't know

question have you ever observed anyone prior to August 9th redacted doing that Noel observe a

lieutenant going down the tear question either do it themselves a lieutenant do the round themselves

or watch the staff members do it Noel oh no they never know they never watched us do it

question never watch never observed Noel no question did they ever conduct it with you

Noel no question but they would occasionally do it themselves Noel redacted make the lieutenants

will make around yeah question so not just pop into the shoe but redacted actually go up and down

Noel yes some not all question some all right and that's what I'm asking do you know if it's a

requirement Noel cuts them off that I don't know questions so you don't know what the policy is

Noel I don't know that the lieutenant she gets cut off rule or what they're supposed to or not do

Noel what's supposed to do question all right but that didn't happen did that happen more often than

not when they actually doing around with the inmates lieutenants Noel if it happened that they

walked the tears question correct Noel some of them do not all question which ones would do it

Noel lieutenant redacted was the shoe lieutenant so he walks the tears all the time question okay

Noel and then the other lieutenants that's on when they come down they sign the round sheets

question but do they actually do the rounds themselves or they just sign your sheet and check in

with you Noel they don't do it all the time they sign the sheet and they check in with me and they'll

say like is there anything going on but they don't get physically or actually walk it all the time

question okay so it's occasionally Noel yeah question all right but okay Noel I don't know if

it's a requirement question all right you're saying you don't recall the 4 p.m. you may have

you might not have Noel I don't recall question you just don't recall all right so 12 a.m.

3 a.m. 5 a.m. we don't need to go into these specific things you said none of them were conducted

there were false you both sign them and submitted them correct Noel correct question and you knew

that you and you knew that you had to do the count Noel yes question what conversation did you

have with Thomas about doing that Noel we didn't have a conversation he was exhausted and he was

sleeping question Thomas Noel yes question so at 12 a.m. until because you said you filled them all

out at about 12 Noel yeah question and you didn't have a conversation about filling them out at 12

Noel no because we do that all the time like when he came in we filled them out and then I think

when the phone rang he had the conversation and then there was another time when I was looking for

the count slip he had it and I couldn't find it so I had to like wake them up and reassign the

count slip question now can you walk me through that so he gets a call you already filled out the

count slip was once submitted you put it through the door and internal came and got it Noel yeah

question and that's when they called them back Noel and he spoke to whoever and then he wrote on

the count slip and we filled it out and I put it back through the door question for the corrected

one that said 73 then you made it 72 Noel I don't remember but I know I filled out a new one

question at 12 a.m. Noel yeah question and did you have to at that time fill out a new 3 a.m.

and 5 a.m. Noel yeah because I couldn't find the count slips that he had and I filled it out

and I woke him up and he filled it I remember that question so this was later so he gets a call

he falls asleep and then later you have to wake him up to reassign Noel no he gets the call he does

it then he falls asleep when he gets a call to change whatever we change it and then he falls

asleep question so you only change the 12 a.m. he falls asleep and then you have to wake him up to

change the 3 a.m. and the 5 a.m. Noel yeah question okay and you just never talked about that

or what you were doing Noel no we didn't talk about it question because that's just common

practice Noel to fill out the count slips before question to pre-populate count slips you're

supposed to count inmates to make sure that they're there and write the number of what you counted

Noel yes question common practice is you just fill that out first and you said that you don't

have access to that or what the count number is supposed to be Noel I never said I don't have

access I don't know how to I don't know if I have access I don't know how to find what it's

supposed to be question so how do you get the number that you write on the slip Noel the number

that I wrote on the slip the officer gave it to me question so whoever you replace they tell you

what the number is to write question you pre-populated that number is that correct Noel correct

and you fill it out even on a regular housing unit I fill it all out and when I count because even

if it's wrong you can just rewrite it question right Noel because even if I come in and you say

it's 72 I fill it out and I put 72 on all of them I know nobody there is no movement between 12

and 8 and even if I did and I put 72 and I counted and it's wrong I could just change it so that's

the way I've always done it question does that sound weird to you or just me Noel what question

that that's the way it's done that you pre-populated all these numbers and then you just change them

later if they end up being off Noel no because they're usually not off question um Noel and then

like if I'm working a unit if I work that unit and I did a double there I counted so I know that's

what it is so it doesn't sound crazy that I fill it out question well in this instance it does

because your account was wrong the one you said that you counted Noel okay but that's the case

but I'm saying like it's not if I worked a double on 11 North and I've been there the shift before

and the shift after and I filled it out I know there's no movement so no it's not crazy that I

filled it out question right so had you worked with Thomas prior to this instance Noel never question

you never did Noel no question and there was no conversation with them about these not doing

the counts are pre-populating these count slips Noel no about pre-populating the count slips he came

in he filled it out and I signed it it wasn't a conversation about that when it was time to do the

when it was time to conduct the count I tried to wake him and he was really tired he was like I'm

tired and I didn't we didn't conduct the count question all right and that was that what time 12

Noel I don't remember the time question what count would have been for that you tried to wake

him up then he said he was tired Noel I don't know question you don't know Noel no question would

it have been the 12 because you're already Noel cuts them off it could have been the 12 it could

have been three I don't know question all right Noel he was tired question so that was the one

conversation Noel cuts them off because I counted upstairs like why would I go upstairs in county

unit and leave my unit so I woke him up he was tired so I went upstairs and I counted with redacted

question and what time was that at Noel three and five question you did the three and the five

Noel yeah question you just didn't do the one in your unit Noel right question I'm trying to

reconcile the fact that you never worked with Thomas before you didn't have any conversations with

them about it Noel no question that's why I'm saying it sounds like it must be just common

practice Noel yes question you just don't conduct counts you just fill them out and you fill out

the forms Noel we didn't have a conversation about filling it out no because that's common in there

question all right so it's very common is it very common from like 12 to five count those three

not to conduct the counts and just write them Noel no question no it's not common or is it common

Noel you're saying if it's not common to conduct the count or if it's common too indesernable

it question is a common not to conduct the counts at night or the early morning hours Noel I don't

know because that's my first time ever not doing it so I don't know if it's common not to conduct

the count but if it's common to fill it out before boy you need to make that more clear did you ever

work midnight to 8 a.m. to have an experience to say what happens Noel no not in the shoe question

so you've never worked midnight to eight prior to this instance Noel not in the shoe

question okay the other times you were in the shoe was a common to fill out count slips that weren't

conducted Noel in the other times that I've worked in the shoe we fill she gets cut off so you're

saying you've never worked in the shoe and we got the schedule in front of you if you want to take

a look to just help refresh your memory when you were in the shoe was a common to fill out count

slips that weren't conducted Noel count slips we fill them out and the counts were done the rounds

it was common to fill them out and the rounds weren't all conducted question so you're saying it's

common to fill them out ahead of time but it's not common not to conduct the rounds Noel the counts

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