Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 2) (3/8/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,

we're getting right back to that Tovinoel interview. With the L-I-G investigators,

redacted, and now you mentioned that you didn't quite remember them going over training

when conducting counts and rounds in this training. Did you, were you, did you, ever receive training

on conducting counts and rounds? Miss Noel, yes. Redacted, okay. When would that have been?

Noel, in an IF training, redacted and what does IF stand for? Noel, huh?

Redacted, you want some clarity? I can tell you. Mr. Redacted, sure. Redacted, just what it stands for.

Institution, familiarization training. Redacted, okay, great. And that's something that the MCC

provided directly. Mr. Noel, yes. Redacted, okay, great. And then you had mentioned,

did you ever receive policy on counts and rounds? Noel, no. Redacted, I know you said you certified.

Do you remember that specific policy like receiving that? Noel, like specifically on counts and

rounds, redacted. I'm not asking you to like verbatim tell me what it was. I'm just saying,

like were you provided and you reviewed, reviewed it? Do you remember? Noel, not specifically

on counts and rounds, just like a general. She gets cut off, right? Noel, like she gets cut off

again, like you know the housing orders or a unit policy and things like that. When you're supposed

to conduct counts, when you're supposed to do rounds, that type of thing. Redacted, the post orders.

Redacted post orders, right? Okay, great. You mentioned you didn't remember ever going to

quarterly shoe training. This is a sign-in sheet for quarterly shoe training. Is this your

signature on there for June 26, 2019? Noel, you see how I'm last one on the bottom of all of them,

redacted, correct? Noel, because I wasn't at the training, when I came, redacted, did they

provide it to you one-on-one though? Noel, no. Redacted, so how come? She gets cut off by Noel.

Because when I came back from an injury, the lieutenant asked me to sign, because they had

program review, they need to show that I received the training, but I never did. She just asked me

to sign. That's why I wonder why? Redacted, who asked you to do that? Noel, lieutenant, redacted.

Redacted, so that supervisor you mentioned was your first line supervisor?

Ask you to sign without providing you the training? Noel, yes. Redacted, and she didn't like

provide you anything to review? Noel, no. Redacted, she didn't go over anything with you?

Noel, no. Redacted, did you discuss this with her? That how you can sign something without being

provided the training? Noel, well I just told her I wasn't here. I was out on an injury. She said

she knows, but she needed me to sign because they needed for a program review. Redacted, what's

her first name? Noel, redacted. Question, and is she a lieutenant? Noel, I don't know what she is

now, but she is not at MCC anymore. She's somewhere in Jersey. Redacted, I'm sorry, before you go,

are you done with that question? Redacted, actually, let me. I didn't do this.

And I did forget to do this. There's an advisory to the union representative, redacted.

Mm-hmm. Question, can you review this? And I do apologize, but since you're speaking up a little

bit, let me hand this to you. And then you can review that. And then if you want to just take a look

after you're done reviewing, you may sign it if you agree. Redacted, will you be able to give me

a copy of it? Question, yeah. I think it says on that that there will be forwarded a copy to you.

Redacted, I didn't even see that part. Question, should I continue asking questions while she's

reviewing that? Or do you want to wait? Boy, yeah, you can ask questions absolutely. Redacted, sure.

So there's another training that you, it says that you conducted on July 26, 2019 for

shoes suicide prevention training. Do you also not receive that training? Noel, yeah, I didn't

redacted. You did not receive that training. Noel, no, redacted. Did you receive? So there are

slides in the back that show the training and how they conducted it. Did they provide you with

those slides? Noel, no, because I wasn't there. Redacted, you weren't there. Noel, I was out with

an injury. Redacted, okay, when were you out with an injury? What are the dates? Noel, from March,

2019, I came back in June. So when I came back in June, that's when I was told to sign this. Redacted,

okay. Question. All right. Thank you for signing the advisory to union representative.

Redacted, I'm just going to sign that form as name of OIG special agent. Again, I do apologize

for not providing that upfront. Noel, I want to call because indiscernible, I'm just saying that

well, I know that the dynamics are that I should interrupt you in the middle of a question,

but interrupt or answering a question. So I was just asking where you done because I wanted to

just step out for a second. Redacted, you want to step out? Noel, uh-huh. Redacted, okay,

we don't want to interrupt the interview because we have a lot of questions to get through. Redacted,

mm-hmm. Question. If the attorney's asked that, that's not really, but if you would like to.

Redacted, so based on the agreement, we just signed, right? Redacted, sure.

The union rep, it acknowledges the right to have me representing her and part of those rights

are the ability to assist in representing her, right? And so I don't want to dispute and I don't

want to hold up the process at all. I just want to say something to her. Redacted, sure. Let that

redacted do that this time. But if this continues to happen, I'm going to have to give you a different

form that says you can stay here voluntarily if you want, but we're going to ask you not to interrupt

the interview. And if you do, we're going to ask her if she wants to continue with the interview

without you. Ms. Redacted, so, but that form says something contrary to what you're saying.

Redacted, I'm going to give you a different form that says that I'm going to let you interrupt

the interview now to talk to her out there. And if you do it again, I'm going to ask you not to be

here any longer so that we can continue with the interview. Obviously her attorneys would stay

here. So I just want to make sure that we don't just continue. Ms. Redacted, I just need clarity,

then. I need clarity. Redacted, sure. Ms. Redacted, so the representing of and talking to the employee

who I have the right to represent is considered by you an interruption of the interview. Mr.

Redacted, we haven't even gotten to the questions yet. Ms. Redacted, well, she gets cut off by the

OIG investigator. Yes, we need to continue with the interview. But we're now, I can allow you to do

that now. I'm just not not going to be able to allow you to continue to stop the interview and leave

the room. Ms. Redacted, I'm just asking for clarity, right? So it was kind of, he cuts her off,

sure, absolutely. Ms. Redacted, and I don't mean to be difficult. It kind of was, yes or no. So

you're saying to me based on the document that I signed, Mr. Redacted, I'm saying that you can

assist her. Redacted, I didn't get to, Mr. Sure, go ahead. Ms. Redacted, okay, so you're saying

based on the document that I signed, it's my right to represent the employee, which is asking

to caucus and say something to Ms. Noel is interrupting the interview, even though I have the right

to do so based on the document I signed. Mr. Redacted, it's more for her to be able to ask you

for a question. Redacted, so it's just yes or no. Finding a hoodie that lasts through the season

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here. So if she stops and asks you for clarity, absolutely, you stopping to inform her? No,

redacted, I never identified to you that I would be informing her of anything.

Mr. redacted, okay, but so yes, to answer your question, you can be here to represent her if she's

asking you for information. I don't want you stopping our interview. Mr. redacted, mm-hmm.

Question and then asking to leave the room. I'm going to allow it this time. After that,

I'll consider that an interruption of the interview. Miss redacted, mm-hmm.

Question and then we have to proceed from there. And then there is different form to provide you.

So does that make sense? Miss redacted, no, it doesn't. Question, okay. So I'm asking you not to

interrupt. Miss redacted, wait, it doesn't make sense, but I'm not. That was he cuts her off. So

I'm asking you not to interrupt the interview. She made deferred to you and asked you for questions.

Miss redacted, uh-huh. I'm asking you not to interrupt my questions. Mr. redacted, okay,

it doesn't make sense to me. What I'm interpreting is my ability to represent is only if the

employee asks a question. That's what you're saying to me. Redacted, correct. So her attorneys

were here. Miss redacted, I got it. I got it. Redacted her attorneys were here. I'm asking if she

has a question from her union representative. Miss redacted, uh-huh. Redacted, she may have a

question for you. Miss redacted, I got it. Question, I'm asking you not to interrupt.

Miss redacted, I got it. Redacted, these questions are not for you. They're not directed at you.

They're directed at Miss Noel. Miss redacted, I'm not answering questions. I'm just trying to. I'm

representing her. But I understand that there has been a determination of how I'm able to

represent. And so redacted, deal with that in a different venue. You can move forward. Mr.

redacted, all right. Let me read this real quick in the paperwork so that we're not going to

have any disputes. Miss redacted, we don't have to. You don't have to continue, right? Because I

don't want to interrupt. So you can go forward and ask questions. Redacted, okay. So it just says

that you may not attempt to answer the questions or dictate the employee's actions to question or

otherwise take charge of proceedings. But again, please feel free to go confer with Miss Noel.

Miss redacted, I appreciate it. Thank you.

Redacted, I'm going to pause the recording. It's currently 1032 AM,

whereupon the above entitled matter went off the record and went back on the record. Okay,

the recorder is back on. This is 1038 AM.

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2021. This is senior special agent redacted. We're resuming the interview.

Miss Noel, I just remind you that you are under oath and this is a voluntary interview.

What was your question? Redacted, you need me to initial. Redacted, if you don't mind. And again,

it's just to show that you know what we're looking at. Redacted, now since we took that break,

is there anything else? He gets cut off by the union rep. No, we can move forward. Noel, no thank you.

Redacted, thank you again very much for your cooperation in this matter. Is there anything else

you wanted? All right. Do you know where we left off? What was the last question that we asked?

It was what we asked for indesernable about the injuries. All right, folks, we're going to wrap

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