Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 15) (3/17/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with Tova Noel,

interview with the OIG inspectors.

Question, so on August 10th, is that also in front of you?

I can't remember at this point what I provided you, the round sheet for August 10th,

foy the round sheet. Noel, yeah.

Question, did you conduct any rounds on August 10th?

That or not? Noel cuts them off. No, I did not.

Question, and did you also pre-populate that?

Noel, yeah. Question all right, so you know everything you wrote in there.

Again, I understand that you said this is what you observed.

No one told you to do it this way because you saw other people doing it this way.

But you knew that you didn't conduct any rounds that you listed on the sheet.

Noel, yeah. Question, correct.

And what about cell counts?

And I'm only trying to move past because we have a lot more to get through.

Question, but if there's something else you want to address on there?

Boy, yeah, now we're good.

Question, so the cell counts.

When did you conduct cell counts?

Sorry in May counts during your shift in the shoe on August 9th, 2019.

Noel, oh, that's the ninth.

Question August 9th, so we're talking now the 4pm and 10pm.

Noel, 10. Question, did you conduct those counts?

Noel, 10. Question just 10, not the 4pm's.

Noel, not at 4.

Question, now do you recall actually conducting the 10 as you're supposed to do it?

Noel, no, because my partner was on a triple.

Question, okay, so he was doing a triple shift?

Noel, yeah, he worked 3 consecutive shifts.

Question, okay.

Noel, so I conducted the 10 by myself.

Question, and you actually went around and counted every inmate?

Noel, yeah.

Question, and we want to show you the count slips.

Redacted all of it?

Question, we'll start, I guess, with just August 9th,

because we don't want to give her too much stuff.

Alright, so what I'm going to show you here is the first page.

It's going to be like the institutional count.

And it's going to show you like ZA.

Is ZA correct for the shoe?

Did you know that that is what ZA stands for?

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, alright, so ZA is going to be the number that's going to reflect for the shoe.

And then I'll tell you what the total number is in the count.

On this page, it'll say 75.

And it looks like this was beforehand.

And then at the end, you're going to see that actual count slips.

And I'm going to ask you, you know, who was on the count slip?

That you filled out?

And who else was on there with you?

Noel, okay.

Question, in this instance, I believe, it's on the second last page.

So that you don't have to flip through all this.

But you can let me know if that's accurate.

So sorry, it looks like that one was 4pm.

And I believe this one is at 10.

Noel, so let me indecernable.

Question, you went indecernable.

Question, this is 10pm.

Noel, uh-huh.

The union rep pipes in.

When you call into control, this is how they determine what your count matches.

They're learning base count, right?

So ZA is 9 south.

ZB is 10 south.

Noel, okay.

Union rep, they match.

This is all of our counts, right?

And then what they do is this is at the handwritten outcome or out count from the employee.

This is what they indecernable entry.

This is what's keeping this entry and it reflects on here.

These are the out count areas and inmate could be, right?

So five souths count 75.

Their unit count is 78.

Three people were in food service.

Noel, okay.

Union rep.

So when they actually counted living, breathing bodies.

They only had 75.

Noel, right.

Union rep.

So now just apply that to the shoe.

This is your shoe count.

You had a one inmate outcounted to attorney conference.

Noel, okay.

Union rep, right?

So you come down.

Here's one.

So the actual count, the total count that's supposed to be there is this number.

This is the inmate outcounted.

And this is what whoever counted called in.

Noel, uh-huh.

Question or should have called in.

Noel, uh-huh.

Union rep.

That number is supposed to match.

These are all out counts.

That number is supposed to correspond with the count slips for your respective housing unit.

Right?

And then I guess he's asking you to review your respective.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

Review your respective count slip for your unit on your shift.

And then I guess you wanted to confirm a signature on gets cut off.

Sure, I just wanted to see the second.

So one page back, that second to last page, can you just find if there is a count slip that you created or signed in there?

Noel, I see here it says.

It has my name on it.

It says 4 p.m. count.

I don't recall that 4 p.m.

Question, does it look like your signature or your handwriting?

Noel, where the Noel is, no.

Question, how about your signature?

Noel, the signature looks like my signature.

But where the Noel is, no.

But I don't recall doing, I may have done the 4.

I don't recall.

But I know I did 10.

Question, all right.

So you don't recall if you did the 4 p.m. or not?

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, you don't recall.

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, all right.

What's the number that's listed on there on that count?

Noel 75.

Question.

And that is your actual signature?

Noel, yes.

Question, all right.

And it says 75.

Noel, yes.

Question, okay.

What is there on the first page?

What does it say that the number is?

And that's the count for the shoe.

Noel 75.

Question 75, okay.

So your signature, you're claiming you can't recall 4 p.m.

Noel, I don't recall.

Question, all right.

And I'm sure that in preparation for this,

did you discuss at all or review or kind of, you know,

at two years now?

Did I do the 4 p.m. count or not?

No?

Noel, no.

Question, okay.

Do you remember who called in that count?

Noel, no.

Question, all right.

That's fine.

Now the 10 p.m. count is next to you.

For right here.

Question, can you do the same thing?

Go to the last page.

It could potentially be on the last page,

or potentially the second to last.

You're going to look for anything you recall.

You signed or you documented?

Okay.

Is there somewhere that you signed?

That you signed on that?

Noel, yeah.

On the bottom.

Question.

And who was?

And I do apologize.

Let me before I even go to that.

Who else was on the count slip with you?

At 4 p.m.

Noel redacted.

Question redacted.

All right.

So he signed that one or you?

Noel, according to the sheet, question.

Do you know if they were pre-populated?

The 4 p.m. is also how you did the rounds.

Did you also pre-populate the count slips?

Noel, on the midnight date, but not on.

She gets cut off, not that one.

Noel, no, not this one.

Question, do you know who filled it out?

I know it's your signature, but you said it didn't look like your handwriting.

But for the 4 p.m., now we're talking about.

I'm just reverting back.

Did you know who actually completed the count slip?

Noel, the count slip.

Who filled it out?

I don't recall.

Question no, but it was you and redacted that were on it.

Noel, just me and redacted that's out there.

Question, and this didn't look like your handwriting?

Noel?

For Noel, no.

For the signature?

Question right.

For the, and I think you're looking at 10 right now, I'm just reverting back to the 4.

That doesn't look like your handwriting as far as counting out.

It just looks like your signature on it?

Noel, yeah.

Question, and you simply just don't recall if you did or did not do that count.

Noel, I don't remember.

Question all right, the 10 p.m., now we're looking at.

Who was on that with you?

Noel, me and redacted.

Question, and who can you tell by looking at the handwriting?

Who filled that out?

Noel, I don't remember, but I signed.

Question, does that look like your handwriting?

That filled it out?

Can you tell?

Noel, no.

Question, you're not able to identify your handwriting?

Noel, no.

I'm saying this doesn't look like my handwriting.

But that's my signature.

Question, oh, that's your signature.

But that doesn't look like you actually completed the slip.

I'm asking, did you complete that slip?

Noel, yeah.

I don't, and this is right here.

The 783, I wrote that.

But 10, I don't write my numbers like that.

Question, okay.

Noel, so yeah.

I don't put the 00 in a cross.

Question, is that the indesernable?

Question, is there anything next to the 73 on that?

Noel, I put plus one.

Question, what is that for?

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, you don't know why?

You put 73 plus one.

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, is that abnormal to write 73 plus one?

Question, I don't even know.

There's a plus one on there.

Question, but you wrote 73.

And somebody else may have put the plus one.

Noel, I don't remember.

But the 73 is mine.

Question, okay.

And you don't know what plus one would mean.

Noel, no.

Question, all right.

And then what is the first page that the institution counts were then for ZA?

Noel, 73.

Question 73, all right.

So again, that's plus one, you're not sure.

Noel, no.

Question, and now can you just explain to me?

You said you specifically recall conducting that count.

Noel, 10, yeah.

Question, and you actually went through and counted all the inmates?

Noel, all the inmates, question on every tier.

Noel, yeah.

Question, but it was pre-populated councilate.

Noel, no, that was for the midnight to eight in the morning.

Question, all right.

Noel, we filled that out before.

Question, so 10 p.m. wasn't pre-populated.

Noel, no.

Question, you did that after you conducted the count.

Noel, yeah.

Question, all right.

But not with another CO.

Noel, no.

Question, and who was the CO that was supposed to have done it with you?

Noel, redacted.

Question, and redacted.

Did sign it, even though he didn't do it?

Noel, yes.

Question, and did you have any discussion with him at that time?

Noel, he was tired.

He was on a triple.

Question, okay.

And what did you say to, what did he say to you?

Noel, he was tired.

Question, did he leave then?

Noel, no.

Question, or did he just stand there and watch you do it?

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Noel, no, he was asleep.

Question, he slept.

All right.

So he was sleeping when that was conducted.

Noel, yeah.

Question, okay.

Do you know how long he slept for?

Noel, until it was time for him to go home.

Question, so like 10 to 12?

Miss Noel, approximately.

Question, okay.

Are you certain you conducted the count?

Noel, absolutely.

Question, okay.

And are you confident that number is correct?

Noel, what?

The 73?

Question, yeah.

Noel, yeah.

Question, all right.

Now let's show the 12 a.m.

Does this go there?

Question, it's indesernable.

All right.

So before I get first, can you go to the back of the thing

and see the counts?

Find the count slip.

Can you find if or you want there?

Check the last page.

Noel, yeah.

Question, and is this the one that you said you pre-populated?

Noel, yeah.

Question, okay.

And did you fill the count slip out?

Noel, Thomas.

Question, Thomas did?

Noel, yes.

Question, and you signed it.

Noel, yes.

Question, so Thomas, is the one that pre-populated it?

Noel, yeah.

We filled all of them out.

Question, oh.

You filled out all but three?

Noel, yeah.

He wrote nice sign.

Question, all right.

So the 12 and the 3 and the 5, you did it all at once.

Noel, yeah.

Question, all right.

And then what number is written on there?

Noel, 73.

Question.

Now, look at the first page.

What number is written on there?

Noel, 72.

Question, all right.

So, what happened with that?

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, at well point, didn't inmate disappear.

Noel, I don't remember.

I called in 73.

Question, if you called in 73, did you actually count 73 people?

Noel, well, we didn't count at 12.

Question, I know.

But at 10, you said you did.

Noel did, yes.

Question, so at 10, you did.

But there's only 72 people there at 10.

So did you actually do the count at 10?

Did you call?

Did you actually count the inmates?

Noel, I actually counted all the inmates at 10.

Absolutely count it all.

Question, and you counted at 73 of them.

Noel, I actually counted all the inmates at 10.

Question, so where did the one inmate go?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, do you remember any inmate being removed from the shoe after 10 p.m.?

Noel, no.

Question, all right.

Can you show her this count?

Here's the 3 a.m. count.

Can you see the top sheet right here?

Can you find ZA?

How many?

What number?

Is it on that?

Noel, 72.

Question, all right.

So, 72 again, on that.

That's the institution count.

That's how many people are actually in the shoe.

What does it say on the count slip?

Noel, 72.

Question 72.

So, what happened between 10 and 3?

Noel, why the numbers are?

I don't know.

Question, why are the numbers different?

Noel, I don't remember.

Question, by the union rep.

Let me see this again.

Noel, yeah.

Question, it's in the ind discernible.

Question, and I don't dispute that maybe you did around the 10.

Are you sure you did account?

Noel, no, I did account at 10.

Question, you counted all the inmates and it added up to 73.

Noel, because that's what's on, I wrote 73.

Question, right.

And then, if you notice, you wrote 73 again at 12.

Noel, that Thomas wrote it at, she gets cut off, but there's actually 72.

Noel 12, and then on the front, it says 72.

And then the count, but then if the numbers didn't match, the count wouldn't have cleared.

Question, and that's where I'm going to ask you.

Did you have any conversation?

So, here's the 5 a.m., and this is also set 72 for the official count.

And I believe you guys wrote 72.

How did you discuss this with anybody that the counts were off?

Noel, no, I think Thomas discussed.

Thomas was on the phone because the count wouldn't have cleared if it's at 72 and 73.

But I think Thomas had a conversation.

But I didn't have a conversation with anybody.

Redacted, did you have a conversation with Thomas with regard to the count being off?

Noel, no.

Question, so if you did all the pre-populating at 12, why does 12 say 73 and the other two say 72 and 72?

Noel, I remember at the other one Thomas said that he had the count slips all and I couldn't find, I couldn't find the count slip.

And I remember I re-wrote it.

But as far as why the count changed to 72, I don't remember why.

Question, well I can tell you why because the count was off.

Noel, mm-hmm.

Question, so that's what I'm asking.

If you actually did that 10 p.m. count, how did you get 73?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, but you're sure you counted 73.

Noel, I absolutely counted at 10.

Question, but no inmates left after 10?

Miss Noel, no.

I mean, I remember I counted by myself and I indesernable, count it with somebody, and we compared the numbers, but I counted at 10.

Question, could have you been mistaken during your count?

Noel, probably.

Question, do you believe that you were probably mistaken?

Noel, probably.

Question, okay, so you're certain you conducted the count.

Noel, yes.

Question, but you think probably just counted wrong.

Noel, wrong?

Wrong, maybe because it's 72 after.

Question, okay, and you went through and you tell me how account works.

Do you add them up?

Question, yeah, like I write it, like K tier, and then I write it, L tier, and then I write it, and then we add it up.

Question, all right.

Do you want to follow up with that at all?

Question, do you recall that night during your shift?

Noel, yeah.

Question, so let's say from when you came in from 4 p.m.

or did you come in at two?

What you said?

Noel 4, question 4 to midnight.

Were there any inmates removed from the shoe?

Noel, when I came on?

Question, yeah.

Noel, not that I know of.

Question, if there were inmates removed from the shoe, would you have been aware of it?

Mr. Noel, I mean, if I was there, yeah.

Question, do you recall?

And so you don't?

Do you recall two inmates?

Noel going to suicide watch, yeah.

Question, do you recall about that?

Noel, yeah.

Question, what happened with that?

All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.

And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.

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