Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 9) (3/14/26)

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What's up, everyone?

And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode, we're going to pick up

where we left off with the Tovo Noel,

interview with the OIG inspectors.

Question, all right.

And again, we briefly talked about them,

but redacted, Noel, yeah, question.

Do you know if he worked that day, Noel in the morning?

Question and to replace them.

Noel redacted, question redacted.

Noel, because he worked six to two

and redacted comes in at two to 10.

Question, okay, so when someone gets replaced,

do they typically give a briefing like so would

and I apologize about the name, but redacted.

Would they, would he typically be responsible

to provide redacted with information

so that he, you know, with regard

to what happened on his assignment,

so that he can utilize that

for when he's not replacing them?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, does that make any sense?

Noel, I mean, I don't know if he's typically required to,

but I guess if there's information to give,

he would give it to him, but I don't know if he has to.

Question, okay, and during your time,

was there any conversation with any information

that redacted gave to redacted or passed along

for replacements?

Noel, I wasn't there at two.

I came in at four, but nothing was told to me.

Question, so redacted never informed you

or redacted in your presence?

Noel, no.

Question, okay, so there was no discussion for Epstein

to be reassigned to a cellmate.

Noel, no.

Question and again, you didn't even know

that his cellmate wasn't there.

Noel, wasn't there.

Question, okay, and should you have known

that his cellmate wasn't there?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, so when you're doing the rounds

and conducting counts, wouldn't that be when you would know

if someone was with or without a cellmate?

Because you said only one other person

there didn't have a cellmate, correct?

Noel, but people move all the time when you're in the shoe,

like let's say if you did something and you're in trouble,

so you're in the shoe.

You could be sent back to your regular unit,

so it wouldn't be odd like if I was counting

when the person wasn't there.

It would just be lesser of the count,

but it wouldn't be odd if the physical person wasn't there

to me because people moved back all the time.

Question, but wouldn't they have to advise you

if you knew that there was only one person without,

you know, one person that doesn't have a cellmate?

When they have to advise you, hey, this person left,

so this person's in there by himself.

Noel, I don't know because nobody said anything to me.

Question, I'm just saying in general now,

so like if you're conducting your rounds and your counts

in order for you to know who you're supposed to be counting

during both rounds and counts, you know,

who you're supposed to be checking on

when you need to know if a cellmate was removed

and now there's only one inmate in each cell.

Noel, no, like if I'm counting and the person is not there,

like say the count was 66 and I counted 65,

that's just what redacted count.

Question, and you wouldn't try to like figure out

where's the fifth, where the 66 went?

Noel, no, because whoever moved the person

would have, I guess, documented where they moved them to.

Question, so you wouldn't, it's after you count at 65,

then you would have to just go and try to find paperwork.

Hey, is there another guy that someone else moved?

Noel, no, question, okay, so how do you reconcile the numbers?

Rather than me saying so many words, you tell me,

so do you know who's in the shoe?

Noel, so let's say like if there was 66 people in there

and one person moved to wherever,

they would have already did that.

So it wouldn't be for me to do.

When I count now because the person is not there,

I'm going to just count 65, but the number is not going to be

off because whoever moved the body,

already moved them to like, let's say,

back to the unit or wherever.

So I wouldn't be trying to find or figure out

where the person went, I'm just counting.

The body, is that what you really said?

Seems like a 40 and slipped to me.

Question, okay, so you and you're counting

and you're during the rounds and counts, right?

Not during the rounds?

Noel, right, during the counts.

Question, rounds are every 30 minutes approximately.

Noel, yeah, question, so during those rounds,

are you supposed to be when you're conducting the rounds?

What is the intent of those rounds?

Noel, whoever's in there, to make sure that they're okay.

Question, so if you don't know who is in there,

how do you make sure that they're okay?

Noel, because they would have already been

if the person's not there,

like they would have already been moved in the system.

So I'm not making a round.

I'm not going to be like, well,

oh, this person's not in there

because people go to different places.

They go back to the unit, they go to court,

they go to different places.

So again, it wouldn't be odd if somebody is not there.

I mean, I could ask the person that I'm working with,

like, oh, hey, whatever happened to so and so,

but she trails off and another question is asked.

All right, so you're saying that even though you knew

only one inmate didn't have a shoe

and especially it sounds like you're working later.

Noel, yeah, question, so everyone should pretty much

be back from wherever they went to, correct?

Noel, correct.

Question, so at that point, you only know

that one person doesn't have a cellmate.

You're walking through and you see that someone

doesn't have a cellmate.

You're not asking where is that person?

Noel, but see, I don't know that the person

has to have a cellmate.

So again, even though the one person

doesn't have a cellmate, it's not odd to me

because I don't know that they have to have a cellmate.

What if the person went back to the unit?

I didn't know where Reyes went.

Question, okay.

Question, can I ask something?

Yes, please.

Question, I just want to clarify when you come in, right?

Let's say you come in on reshift.

Is there somewhere near the computer that tells you

how many inmates are supposed to be in the shoe?

Noel on the roster?

Question on the roster?

Noel, yeah.

Question, and now let's say do you review the roster

when you come in?

Noel, no.

Question, so how do you know?

Let's just say someone went missing.

How do you know?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, but isn't that when you come on shift, right?

You're responsible.

I'm not saying this is the case,

but you're responsible to know how many inmates

are in the shoe at the time, right?

Noel, when I come on shift, I just come on

and relieve the person like when I come on at four,

it's time to feed.

So I'm doing trades and I'm feeding.

I'm not looking to see who's on the roster.

You would probably wait for count time to count

and then count to see how much people is in there.

But I'm not looking to see okay, the roster says 75

and I'm counting to make sure there are 75 people

only at count time.

Question, so when you're doing your rounds,

all you're doing is the people that you see,

are they okay?

If someone escaped, you wouldn't know that until count time.

Mr. Noel, I wouldn't know.

Question, okay, and that's basically that answers it.

So she's saying that she's not even worried

about if someone is not there.

She's only worried about the people that are there.

Is that correct?

Noel, yes.

Question, all right.

Now the union rep has a question.

Would procedural clarification help with that question?

Question by redacted, sure.

We all have the policies here.

Would you like me to show her the policies?

I'm happy to do that.

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Union rep, yeah, or I could explain it.

Question, I'll give her the policies

and just ask her if she's familiar with that.

That's fine.

She knows what she should have done.

Question, I'll just say this to you.

The policy is very general for the entire agency

and not specific to MCC New York.

Question, okay.

While he's looking, while he's looking that up,

I just want clarification.

Noel, aha, question, when you came in,

if an inmate was removed, should the roster have been edited?

Noel, it should have been.

Question, do you recall if that roster

was there a roster on your desk?

Noel, there's always a roster, but I don't look at the roster.

Question, but you don't recall if there was anything

if there was a notification or anything written down,

saying that inmate Efron Reyes was removed from the shoe?

Noel, no.

Question, is that something that previous shift

would have communicated to you?

Noel, they could have.

Question, all right, so I'm going to read this out loud

and then redacted, provide it to you.

This is the Metropolitan Correctional Center,

New York, New York-specific post-orders.

This is specifically says shoe number one,

and I think that would be the officer in charge

as we just discussed, but I think that there,

like you said, everyone's kind of responsible

for the same thing, but it discusses right here,

I'm going to go down to the third paragraph

on page two of 18.

It says report for duty by telephone

with the operation lieutenant

and receive any additional information.

Begin making, so according to this,

it says when you report to duty,

you're supposed to talk to the operations lieutenant

and receive whatever information

you're supposed to get on your shift.

It says begin making 30-minute rounds

ensuring you document the findings into true scope.

Staff will observe all inmates and continue lockdown status

once in the first 30 minutes of the hour.

Example 12 to 12 30 AM followed by another round

in the second 30-minute period of the same hour,

12 30 to 1.

This will ensure an inmate is observed

at least twice per hour.

These rounds are to be conducted on an irregular schedule

and no more than 40 minutes apart.

All observation must be documented.

It should be clearly understood

that none of these activities are to take place

until the evening watch officer is relieved.

It should be noted that it's understood

that not all of the above will be accomplished

by or before count.

That it talks about official count time.

The shoe number two officer you said you were working

is that for both your shifts

because it's specifically talking about 12 AM

where you at 12 AM on August 10th.

Mr. Well, I think I was number one, yes.

Question, all right, so this actually is pertaining

to your shift during 12 AM and 8 AM.

Foy interjects, you mean according to what you just read?

Question, what I just read?

Foy, right.

Question, the specific, so where shoe number one,

so I guess what you were supposed to do

per the post orders was when you got on board,

you're supposed to call the operations lieutenant

and then you're supposed to say, hey,

is there any information I need to know?

And then you're supposed to start making your counts.

And that would be like where you would find out

Epstein doesn't have a cellmate.

Make sure that when you're doing your rounds,

you know where everybody's in there, you know I would think,

is that your understanding at all?

No, well, no.

Question, was that ever put into practice?

No, well, no.

Nobody ever calls the lieutenant when they get on shift.

Question, so no one ever talked to them?

No, well, no.

Question, okay, is there?

I don't know if I need to continue reading this

because we're going to take a lot of time with it if we do,

just because I read it if you wanna take a look

and just initial and date there.

And then we're just going to move on.

No, well, uh-huh.

Question, because this is taking up time.

Boy, initial up top.

Question about the point on the matter was that you knew

that you were supposed to observe the people that were there.

You weren't too concerned about people that weren't there.

No, well, nothing, correct.

Question, is that a correct understanding?

No, well, yes.

All right, we're going to wrap up right here

and in the next episode dealing with the topic,

we're going to pick up where we left off.

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