Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 10) (3/15/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode we're going to get right back to the Tovo Noel interview with the OIG

investigators.

Question all right on August 9th, do you recall having any discussion with Redacted

regarding Epstein?

Noel, no, question and again.

Redacted would have been the one, did you say that he was the one who replaced?

Relieved, Noel says, question, okay, so if Redacted provided Redacted with information,

Redacted did not provide you with that information.

Noel, I don't know if Redacted, she gets cut off.

Yeah, I know, I'm asking that.

He gets cut off now by Noel, oh, about Redacted didn't, again, she gets cut off.

If he did that, Redacted certainly didn't provide it to you, Noel, no.

And okay, and Redacted didn't provide you with any special instructions regarding Epstein,

Noel, no.

Question, no, did you discuss the need for Epstein to be reassigned to Selmaid with

anyone on August 9th?

Noel, no, question.

When did Redacted depart the shoe on August 9th?

Noel at 10pm?

Question 10pm, correct?

Noel, correct.

Question, you said you had manager Nathan Redacted.

He actually wasn't in the shoe.

I mean, he wasn't assigned to the shoe.

I'm sorry, Noel, no.

Question, he was just in there in order to facilitate the start of this telephone conversation.

Noel, phone call, yeah.

Question, and you don't know why he was in there in the first place.

Noel, no.

Question, so you don't know if he brought Epstein in.

Noel, no.

Question, so he just, and you're not the one to allow them.

Noel, no.

Question, all right.

So he didn't have actually have any responsibilities in the shoe.

Noel, no.

Question, and aside from the telephone conversation that you had with Redacted,

with specifically with regards to get the phone.

Oh, away from him, his time is up.

Any other conversations?

Noel, with Redacted, no.

Question, no about Epstein or otherwise.

Noel, no.

Question.

Any conversations with him in person?

Noel, only when I took the phone from him.

Redacted.

No, no, not Epstein, redacted.

Noel, oh, no.

Question, and that's what I was asking about before.

It's just to make sure that we're clear.

Any other conversations, aside from the one conversation on the phone,

where he said get the phone from Epstein, his time is up.

Noel, and when he came in, he said I'm going to put him in the shower

to use the phone.

Question, and that was the extent of it.

Noel, that was the extent of it.

Question, okay, nothing to do with Epstein being housed with MCC or shoe.

Noel, no.

Question, or the need for a cellmate?

Noel, no.

Question, do you know who authorized Redacted to provide Epstein with that telephone call?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, no.

Who plugged the telephone line into the legal line in the shower area?

Noel, redacted.

Question, redacted, did.

And do you know if he did that per Redacted's direction?

Noel, no.

Question, you're not sure.

And to you, that was an authorized practice.

Noel, to use the phone in the shower, yeah.

Question, what is that line in the shower area for?

Noel, I don't know.

Question, is it, okay, is there usually a phone that's plugged in there?

Noel, no.

Question, or is it just a line that's available?

Noel, the jack is there.

Question, just a jack.

And you know that to be a legal line, like for attorneys, Noel, I don't know.

Question, you don't know, that's what that is.

That's a legal line.

Noel, I don't know.

Question, but what is just your overall understanding

briefly about policy for inmates assigned to the shoe

when they need to make a phone call?

How often do they get to do it?

How do they do it?

Noel, when they had them the phone in the cell

and they use that pin, the number to make the phone call,

how often I don't know, because that's usually done before I come in.

But I know showers are every other day.

I don't know if phone is every other day also.

Redacted, okay, so you're not sure.

Noel, I'm not sure.

Question, you said you didn't hear any part of the telephone conversation.

Noel, no.

Question, did you see any part of the telephone conversation?

Noel, only when I went to go get it from him.

Question, but while he was on it, Noel, no.

Question, discussing, Noel, no.

Question, and no one observed him.

Noel, no.

Question, so no one watched him or listened.

Noel, no.

Question, and no one informed you to watch or listen.

Noel, no.

Question, and previous instances, when people have used line,

where other, where other people watching and listening to those people.

Noel, no.

Question, and around what time was Epstein brought back to his cell, did you say?

Noel, maybe about after nine.

Question, so he did the telephone call sometime before nine.

And around after nine, is when he was put back into his cell.

Noel, probably, because I was in the bathroom.

Question, and you went to the bathroom, you think around nine?

Noel, I'm not sure.

But around, question, I'm not asking for specifics.

Noel, yeah, like around.

Question, around nine.

Noel, yeah.

Question, and you said that you're not the person that brought him.

One else did, after someone else brought him to his cell, did you have any more conversations

with Epstein?

Noel, yes.

Question, what, when was that, and where?

Noel, not a conversation when I counted.

Question, when did you count?

Noel, at ten.

Question at ten p.m. you counted?

Noel, yes.

Question, so you actually went through the tear and counted?

Noel, yes.

Question, and did you go into the tear, or did you just go up to the door?

Noel, I went into the tear.

Question, okay, so you didn't head around at ten p.m.

You didn't stop at the door and just look in.

You actually went through?

Noel, yeah, I went through.

Question, and look through and count at each person.

Noel, yes, because he was on the floor and I knocked, and he put his hand up.

Question, okay, so that wasn't just from the outer door of the tear.

Noel, no.

Question, that was actually, he gets cut off by Noel, no, that was

in there.

Question, okay, and you said you don't know who brought him back to the cell.

Noel, no, I was in the bathroom.

Question, okay, and went around ten p.m.

You looked in, and you said he was on the floor, and he put his hand up.

Noel, yeah, he sleeps on the floor, the mattress.

He puts the mattress on the floor.

Question, okay, so you never actually see his bunk?

He would sleep on the floor?

Noel, the floor, yeah.

Question, take the mattress off the bunk, Noel, and put it on the floor.

Question, sleep there, is that typical?

Noel for him?

Question for him?

What about other inmates, do other inmates do it?

Noel, not in the shoe, but sometimes they do that.

Question, and is there anything up with policy that prohibits people from doing that?

Noel, not that I know of?

Question, no.

So it wasn't anything of concern.

Noel, no.

Question, okay, but he, did you, did he verbalize anything?

Or just put his hand up?

Noel, he just put his hand up.

Question, just like I'm accounted for?

Noel, right.

Question, okay, and is that after you said you knocked?

Noel, yeah.

Question, and did you communicate with him at all?

Noel, um, question, you okay?

Noel, no.

Question, no.

So it was just a knock and a hand up?

Noel, yeah.

Question, no communication.

Noel, none.

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Question, just visualization?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, and notice anything different about him at that time?

Noelle, no.

Question, no.

You said that was around 10 p.m.

Noelle, I think, he asked for the CPAP machine to be plugged in because he had CPAP machine.

Question, what's a CPAP machine?

Noelle, when people have sleep apnea, I guess they use that machine.

Question, okay.

Noelle, so the cord, has to be ran from the outside of his room, all the way down to

be plugged in.

Question, it's for sleep apnea?

Noelle, I don't know what else it's for, but that's what I know people use it for.

Question, and did you get it for him?

Noelle, it's in his room.

It just has to be plugged in.

Redact it, oh.

And did you plug it in for him?

Noelle, yes.

Question, okay.

So you did have some communication with him then.

Noelle, well, he asked, and I just nodded, and I plugged it in.

Question, okay.

So when I ask you these things, I just really want you to be clear with me.

If there's communication, just really think about like what communication you actually

had.

Noelle, okay, question.

So just tell me about specifically what you can remember, because again, if this is

the last time you saw him, just try to recall what it is that he said.

Noelle, I remember you put his hand up, and he asked about the CPAP machine to be plugged

in, and that's it.

Question, do you remember his words?

Did he say CPAP machine, or can you plug this in for me?

Noelle, I don't remember how he said it, but basically he asked for it to be plugged

in.

But I don't remember exactly what he said, or how he said it.

Question, all right.

So at that point, you went and plugged it in.

Noelle, yes.

Question, all right.

And that's like a cord that runs like under his cell door, or something.

Noelle, yes, question, okay.

And then any conversations afterward?

Noelle, no, question, all right.

Can you just briefly explain the process of people entering and exiting the shoe?

Noelle, there's double doors, question, okay.

Noelle, and we open the door to let people in, question.

So is there somebody that they have to go through and outer door first to get to your

door?

Noelle, yeah, there's two doors.

And so they come in the first door, then the second door, and then you're in the shoe.

Question, how do they get into the first door?

Noelle, we open the door, question, not the control center?

Noelle, no.

Question, so you're able to, from the first door, before they get to your door, you open

both doors?

Noelle, yes.

Question, okay, so the control center, they don't call for it first, and the control center

pops the first door.

And then you have keys for the second door?

Noelle, no.

Question, all right, okay.

So I'm going to stop talking.

You tell me exactly how they do it, somebody knock or they call or buzz or what?

Noelle, somebody knocks or somebody they use their radio, and then we go to the door and

open the door.

Question, so do you have, from your desk, is there a buzzer?

Noelle, no.

You've got to open the door with the key.

Question, the initial outer doors?

Noelle, both doors.

And so you go, you open the inner door to you, and then you go to the outer door and

do the second?

Noelle, yes.

Question, and you have control over both doors?

Noelle, yes.

Question, all right.

Does the operation center also have control over that outer door?

Noelle, I don't know.

I don't think for the shoe they do, I don't know.

Question, all right.

Anytime people enter and exit, you've always for both doors.

Noelle, yes.

Question, all right.

And that's the same as when they leave.

Noelle, yeah.

Question.

So after they leave, that second outer door, and you go, you lock that manually, and then

you lock the other one?

Noelle, yeah.

Question manually, both manually from the shoe?

Noelle, if that one I think, the outer one, like once you pull it, it locks.

Question, okay.

Which one is that?

Noelle, the outer door?

Question, the outer door?

And who entered and exited the shoe on August 9th, 2019?

Between let's say for the first shift, 9 PM and 12 PM.

So if you have to open up the two doors, I'm assuming, that's kind of a process, and

there aren't that many of you in there.

Noelle, lieutenant redacted.

Question, lieutenant redacted?

Noelle, no, you said the first shift.

Question, first shift from 9 PM to 12 AM, 12 AM, sorry.

Noelle from, I don't know.

Question, so it would be the people that were in there, correct?

Would that be redacted and redacted?

Noelle and me?

Question and you?

Anyone else?

Noelle?

I'm trying to remember, because you said between 9 PM and 12 AM.

I don't remember exactly when redacted, made her rounds, but she gets cut off by the

interviewer.

Okay, redacted, would have showed up at one time or another, though.

Noelle, yes.

Question, do you remember that conversation when she showed up?

Noelle, no.

Question, did she talk to you about anything?

Noelle, no.

Question, did you specifically speak to her at all?

Noelle, I mean, I said, hey, question, just, hey, just what's up?

Okay, and who's allowed to enter and exit?

Noelle, I don't remember that.

Question, do you know who, when, redacted and redacted left, who allowed them to leave?

Noelle, I don't remember that.

Question, you don't remember that.

Noelle, no.

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