Interview of Ashley Sears: Ep 3210

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Our guest tonight is Ashley Sears, the founder of Story of Unveil.

Listeners, one of the reasons that I wanted Ashley on is something that happened in her marital relationship.

That man, yes we men, to pay attention to, a topic that I had to call a foreign to college student on,

who now writes for a national newspaper and talk about.

A topic which affected his future relationships, but one that he also shared,

the female because they just students were also heavily involved in.

Ashley, welcome to Challenges of Faith Radio, program.

Thank you, thank you, I'm happy to be here.

Hey, so I don't have you on.

I'm a person foremost, part of you and your husband, Asher and family.

We're doing really well, thank you.

We're busy, our kids are in sports, we own our own business, we've got a lot going on

and we're doing really, really well.

Hey, Ashley, what would you ask for rights as well for going up?

Well, truth be told, from an early age, I wanted to be a dental hygienist.

When I found out, actually not a dental hygienist, I wanted to be a dentist.

When I found out how much schooling that took, I decided a dental hygienist would be better.

Then as I got older, into high school, honestly, I just wanted to have a family.

I wanted to be a mom.

Hey, that's honorable, all about itself, and just think about it.

You were talking about one to become a dentist.

You were really going to be working on people's communication, starting with their mouth and egg.

But hey, you're now doing so.

You grew up in a family that was active in church, parents divorced.

Your mom met somebody new.

What did you learn about your birth and what traumatic happened later involving a friend?

Yeah, so I found out when I was about 15 or 16 years old, that the man that my mom had been married to when I was born,

her husband, was not actually my father.

I found out when I was a teenager, like a sophomore in high school, but I did not know before that.

I found out that he was unable to have children, and so my mom was artificially inseminated with me in order to get pregnant with me and my brother.

And he did not want us to know.

He threatened her and did not want us knowing.

Therefore, keeping it a secret for most of my childhood and adolescent.

Until my mom did go on a divorce and my mom went on and met an incredible man who ended up adopting me and who I do call my father now.

Until she met him, she had to keep it a secret.

But once she remarried and we moved on our lives, we moved away from the area.

That is when she called my brother and I.

So, yeah, I don't know my father, my biological father, and that kind of impacted me in my life, I would say, just kind of the trajectory of things.

As far as what happened to me with a friend, several years later, I was in college and I had what I thought was a good friend.

I worked with him.

He often worked about 30 or 40 minutes at his other job outside of town, and I lived right in the middle of town with some friends.

And he would often crash on people's couches in an effort to stay in town to be able to make it to work.

I would not draw it so far because he bartended and so he was getting off at two in the morning in section.

So, he would often times crash on people's couches and just kind of what we did as a handful of us.

And one particular afternoon he called and asked if he could crash on my couch.

I told him he could, that I would leave the friend door unlocked and leave blankets on the couch.

But I just asked if he would text me before he got there that way I knew I could expect him and not startle me in my roommates in the middle of the night.

And he unfortunately did not end up texting me.

Instead, I woke up to him sexually assaulting me in my room.

And I just laid there.

I asked him to stop.

He did not.

And kind of the rest of the street after that I felt very detailed, but he left.

He had no intention of saying the night.

He had no intention of coming to crash on our couch.

I thought we were friends.

He had been friends for years.

And we had never had a romantic relationship.

We had never, not our facts.

We were seeing other people.

And it was, I don't know, one decision that he made.

And I never, I mean, I ran into him a couple times after that.

But I never really saw him again.

I did try and press charges.

However, you know, when I woke up the next morning I was hopeful it was a nightmare.

Even though I knew that it wasn't.

And I tried to just suppress it and forget about it.

And so I took a shower and I went to work.

And it wasn't until a couple of days later that I really,

and I'll just kind of hit me.

You know, you can only suppress things for so long.

That I decided to just go and file a report.

And they said, you know, it was basically the headboard against mine.

There was no evidence.

And that was that.

And so I was left kind of just having to reconcile that and deal with that on my own.

Yeah, after such a traumatic experience.

The listeners, men, I actually share in a, you know,

two dramatic experiences.

One, it relates to the mind, which both, both incidents affected.

But to hear in her delicately, she hears the germ,

especially as it relates to her mom and the first male that she encountered

that wanted to keep secret.

It affected Ashley and her brother.

And then you hear and Ashley talk about a person that identified themselves

as a so-called friend.

Ashley, how did you meet your husband, Ashley?

So I met my husband, actually, through his sister.

And we were working together.

And it's funny in us.

My husband, my name is Ashley.

My husband's name is Asher.

And I worked at the center and she just, she thought it was the funniest thing

that our names were so incredibly close.

That she said, oh, you just have to meet my brother.

So one night, he came in.

We were working at a restaurant and he came in and she introduced us.

And we were friends for a little while and then he asked me out on our first date

and actually we've been together ever since our first date.

But yeah, it was kind of just a random happenstance that his sister thought we should meet

and immediately clicked and yeah, kind of the rest is history from there.

Wow, wow, wow.

And to have a blessing for him to walk along in your surgery.

What challenging trial happened in your marathon relationship

which God used later on in your life?

So when I met my husband, he was not a Christian.

I was, I had been raised in the church, like you said.

And he was not a Christian, he was not walking with the Lord.

He actually didn't really have much background at all.

And I was in college and wasn't really walking with the Lord at that time.

I always believed that I did stop going to church and I kind of just went on my own journey

before the Lord kind of drew me back several years later.

But when I met my husband, I think it's important to know that he and I were on the same page

even though I was raised a Christian and he was not, it was not important to me,

or priorities to me, to marry somebody who believed the same things that I did.

And so, you know, we actually ended up getting pregnant and then getting married.

We kind of did things very backwards and I don't recommend it.

However, it is all part of our story.

And however, about four months into our marriage,

we were invited to church and I want to say three weeks in gave his life to the Lord.

And he did, he believed, he was baptized, it was amazing.

And he really never looked back, however, you know, just because you start a relationship with Jesus

just because you are a believer and become a Christian does not mean that some of your old ways, old habits, old patterns, immediately leave you.

So, it just means that now you're a little bit more conscious, conscious of the sin that is in your life

and your need for a savior and needing to work on those things.

But when you don't have the tools, sometimes it's difficult.

So, about a year or so, a year and a half into our marriage, he was, you know, he was a Christian

and we were going to church and we were raising our kids that way.

My daughter and I and my husband were in our living room and there was a fashion show on television.

And I guess I can say there were some gantily clad dressed women in the fashion show.

And I just became acutely aware that even though our daughter was young, it still was not anything that I wanted her growing up seeing, realizing that maybe this is what beauty was.

Or this is what made a woman with somebody dressed like this.

And I became very uncomfortable with what was on television.

And so, I asked my husband if he would turn it off or if he would change the channel and he said no.

And we got into a really big argument and a couple of days long deep dive into what was really going on and why he opposed my request.

So, so hard and what really was going on, he's a light that he had a corn and sex addiction.

And he had been addicted to pornography since he was a very young teenager and had struggles with all the things like pornography, sex addiction.

And that was the very beginning of a very difficult dark journey and individually, really, but also in our marriage.

Because at that point, we didn't even know to put that label on it. It just was very well stopped doing it.

You know, I was not very aware of the addiction side of things and how it's just that's like a substance, it's an addiction and it's a struggle.

And it's not always as simple as well just to stop.

And so, so yeah, that about 16 or 17 years ago started a journey down a really hard road of deciding what to do and how we were going to navigate our marriage or whether I was going to leave him.

And this is dealing with us.

So, listen to us. Especially we men that are listening.

You heard me go from step by step. It's easy for me to do that imposing question because Ashley has been the one that's had to undergo her trial along with her husband.

But we began how Ashley met her husband, Asher, and you know women, no women like men, no men, she met him through his sister.

So, from that relationship, they became one and as Ashley indicated in terms of the relationship with Christ.

And though Asher became a believer of the household of faith, remember Paul, those of you who have your arrows all pointed.

You know Paul said in Romans 7 to 7, you know that hey, he was having these problems. The word doesn't say what problems he was having but it was seen.

But he gained a victory in Romans 8 verse 1.

You just heard Ashley mentioned the trial, the challenging trial. You know the battle takes place in the mind.

It's kind of like an individual that was addicted to alcohol. Whatever the addiction has to be drugs.

And what do you expect the causative factors of that to disappear overnight?

No, there's some accountability, there's some consequences to all of our action.

But you heard Ashley also talk about two things. One, which she was not going to accept as a woman and has related to the effect it would have on her daughter.

So most importantly, she's learned to find out from her husband, Asher.

And a lot of times in any type of relationship, you know, we don't want to go back and find out we just want to go forth with that person, every specter, who that person has to be.

But she took the time and she learned that it just didn't start today with Asher to start it in teenage years.

So this is again, I mentioned at the beginning of the program, one of the reasons that I wanted to ask you on is something that happens in your life.

Your life, in your life, those of you who are pointing fingers turned around the point that you don't want to be man.

Even though the college student was talking about himself, but he was also talking about the ladies on campus, all quiet.

And Ashley wasn't having that quiet. She was going to deal with her husband who could read Asher and Asher's individual story in the Christian Living magazine.

Asher, why did you form stories on Veil?

So I started stories on Veil in 2017.

As really when God gave me the idea or the vision, so to speak to do it.

Because when my husband and I decided that we were committed to each other and he was committed to recovery.

He was committed to healing.

And we were committed to restoring our marriage with boundaries in place and all of those things that we were committed to each other.

When healing and restoration started to happen in me, and I started dealing with my trauma from my past and the betrayal.

And then he dealt with all of his wounds and all of his addictions.

And so that's not to say that it hasn't still been a struggle because it's an addiction and recovery is hard.

But when we started getting to a good place of being able to show the fruit of the work that we had done and we're putting in to become more whole and more Christ-like.

We made the decision that we did not want our story to be in vain.

And that if we were dealing with this as a couple in the church, surely there were other people in the church that were dealing with the same issue.

And if not, the same issue than some issue.

And so my husband and I made a decision together and we kind of made a path and decided that we were just going to share our story where it was appropriate and where it was applicable.

And on whatever platform God was going to give us because in sharing your story, it can help others plain and simple.

And it also gives permission for those who are living in the dark, living in sin to be able to say, wow, if they can talk about something so hard, then maybe so can I.

We started sharing our story and in doing so, I had woman after woman after woman approached me after I would share my story each and every time and tell me, me too, like this is happening to me or this is going on with my husband and I or maybe just different.

Maybe it had nothing to do with pornography or addiction in that in that sense, but maybe it was they had been assaulted when they were a kid or they just things that have happened to them or terrible decisions that they had made that they had never shared with anybody because of shame because of fear of what people would think.

And it gave me the whole discontent that like people are messy and I knew that, you know, you know, as a human and as a Christ follower and then somebody who's worked in church before in the ministry, people are messy and people are broken, but everybody's got a story and everybody's got junk that they carry with them and some carry more shame than others, but everybody's got a path and everybody's got stuff.

So I started praying and asking the Lord, like, what do I do with this? How do I reconcile like all of these people are hurting and they walk in the church building and they pretend like everything's fine.

Someday morning, it's like, hi, how are you? Well, I'm great. How are you? How was your week? Great. And you move on. And it can be so superficial that I just, I was trying to reconcile that and so the Lord just told me, use your platform that you have and give other women the opportunity to share their stories.

And so I did in 2018, we had our first event because I just felt so strongly that when we share our stories, it gives others the permission to also be vulnerable and share their story and there's so much healing when we are able to get all of the junk out and be able to point to the Lord and where He's showing us and what He can redeem and what He can do in our life.

Praise God, and listeners, what before I go to the listeners, ask me, could you imagine when you were discussing with Asher while he was watching whatever he was watching that you expressed your concern?

Could you imagine somebody coming in your door at that particular moment saying to you, now I ask you, that which is going on right now, it's going to have a positive, future and impact on other people's lives?

Could you imagine listening to that person and looking at that person saying that to you at that moment of your challenging trial when you're just trying to communicate to your loving partner on behalf of yourself and your door.

And the ladies of the future, you've had an impact with?

No, there's no way if somebody would have pulled me in that moment. God's going to use this for amazing things and you will be on the other side of this and you will share your story one day at the brokenness and what God has done.

I would have laughed instead, you're crazy because yeah, it's hard and it's, yeah.

That's right. It's about people that God used in that vessel who wants to be used on behalf of His glory and to help others upbuild them and at the same time to allow them to know they can be free from whatever the bond is that happens to be in the life in correlation with the healing.

And so you mentioned conferences. I just think you do host conferences. Can you hear more about them?

Yeah, absolutely. So we did our first conference, like I said, in 2018. And we do.

We are founded in we see Idaho. So that is where our once a year, huge conference takes place in person, but also live stream.

And what it is is a day long event where different women every year from different walks of life, different seasons, ages, everything, different, different, everything.

They get on the stage and they share their story of what God has done, whether it's redemption or forgiveness or healing or I mean, you name it and we talk about it.

I firmly believe is the founder that if it's addressed in the Bible, then it deserves to be talked about from a stage or from a platform because I mean, if God talks about it, if the Bible talks about it, then so should we?

And I believe that anything can point back to what is what is the Bible have to say about it.

And so we talk about absolutely everything. We have live worship. We have teaching. Like I said, the story speakers are really like the heart of this event because these are just regular women that get up on the stage and they just share their heart.

They share their struggle. They share their mess and they let God use their story and they just simply glorify him in it.

And the transformations that happen and the opportunities for people to give their lives to the Lord, just the amazing things that take place at these conferences is just unreal. That's really the only way I can explain it.

Praise God. Listen, you heard me earlier, I lived to the fact of women knowing women and I lived in back to Asher's sister and as it relates to how Ashley met Asher.

Could you imagine when Asher was going through that trowel, that challenging trowel confronting through an accountability with her partner?

Could you imagine her going back to Asher's sister saying that? No, she didn't do that. What she did was face her head on, address that, put her trusting God and look where she is, look where he's taken her.

Ashley, I also understand you're over coaching services. Did you touch on, forgive me?

Yeah, trust, dealing, redemption and surrender. And if so, why is that important?

I do, coaching, yes. And yeah, those are all things that we talk about. So what I do is I coach women how to share their stories.

I take them through a series of practices and homework where we really draw out someone's story, scenes and major like life changing events.

And we talk through where they were and where they are now and where God has been in all of it.

And we absolutely, really, I mean, we focus on trust and forgiveness and healing and restoration. And because ultimately at the end of the day, forgiveness, especially in the realm of where somebody has hurt you or betrayed you, forgiveness is not for the other person.

You're not doing it. We're doing it because we're called to do it because the Bible tells us that we must forgive why, because Christ first forgave us.

And all the things that we've ever done in the sense to Christ, we also should forgive because He did it for us first.

But ultimately, we don't forgive for the other person. We forgive because we're called to and because it's for us.

And we live with unforgiveness, that we live with bitterness, that we live with anger. And those are also those are not for the spirit.

Those are not things that we are supposed to live with. And so in order to cleanse your heart and truly forgive. And sometimes for giving you have to do every day, you have to forgive maybe the same person every day for a long time before it.

You know, seed and bitterness can go away. It's a process. It's not a one time decision in my experience. But what we're called to do that and that's how we can have a clean heart and if your heart in this and reconciliation doesn't always, you know, doesn't always look the same reconciliation doesn't always happen.

And all the time, you know, if you are in a abusive relationship, if you are somewhere that is unsafe, you are still called to forgive your abuser, but you are not called to remain in relationship with them.

And so, you know, there are some extenuating circumstances. But yeah, we absolutely talk about all of those biblical principles and what in your life has happened through the lens of the gospel.

Let's look at it and let's talk about it and let's try and draw out how you can share your story in a way that conveys, you know, giving God the worries.

You know, I interviewed a doctor, a therapist yesterday and he, though he counseled many individuals, he recognized that he needed help.

And Bill, not in the area, and we talked about the place where to ask him within another area. But one of the things that came out of that, like yours, was how that, and man, man, man, man, do not like to work on a building. It's the same as surrendering.

Just like Ashley had to do with you. He could have said there when you was trying to hold him accountable. It probably did for a moment, they recognized how valuable you were to and for his wife.

And then he had a surrender and come from the inside where the battle takes place. You know those emotions. But this doctor, he indicated that his wife and daughter, they didn't go in the way like you did not.

They walked with him. It was proud. And so therefore history like yours is able to help out with the leads to Ashley. Why are you so passionate about helping women through their protein?

Just really, it's my own personal experience. And I have walked alongside and witnessed too many women that are stuck and don't know what to do or even how to move forward.

I remember 16 or 17 years ago in this particular issue, especially, it feels very isolating. And it feels very lonely. And the enemy wants you to believe that you are alone in this.

And nobody else would understand that. It feels like all the loss that feels like I'm at a dead end or I feel like I'm in the darkest pit. What is true about the Lord and reminds me of those things.

I don't know where I would be. And so it's so important to me to be able to walk alongside fellow women who have experienced trauma or the trail or hurt, anger, whatever. Fill in the blank.

Because God called us to walk alongside people. We were created to be in community with each other. We were created to bury each other. So yeah, it's just, it's an attachment about it, obviously.

Well, I just think of it from the beginning of our communication fellowship today. It all involves trust. You're talking about as an indicator, we're dealing with humans that you want.

And without Christ, the guide us, we wouldn't know as you indicated what to do. And again, I'll refer back to Paul. He made it clear. But he also made it. I can do all things through Christ with strength and that's what we have to understand. And that's what you are sharing.

So that's the end of the video that God has entrusted to you can stand up, move forward, but no one that he's using you or his glory, but they need to rely on him.

And after you also have a podcast, the story's unveiled podcast. What time does it air? What is where to tune in? And what topics do you discuss?

Yeah, so it airs every other Wednesday at the next one that airs will be next Wednesday, but it airs every other Wednesday at 4 a.m. Eastern time.

So you can tune in, actually, anywhere, that podcast, that you can find the podcast. So Apple, podcast, Amazon,

fashion, technology, it literally anywhere.

Yeah, absolutely. Anywhere you can find a podcast, you can find it. It is called the story's unveiled podcast. Like you said, and we cover, I mean, we cover any topic.

And so far some of the big topics we've covered are the trail, trauma, grief, so much grief, loss, cash.

I mean, there really isn't a topic that we haven't covered. And if there is a topic, we're working on getting it on the show.

We are wrapping up season one, May 24th will be our last episode for season one, and then season two kicks off July 6th.

So we'll be recording in June for season two, but I'm just I'm really excited. And it's it's mostly women, but we have men on there too.

And so it's just it's incredible. Everybody just every guest that's on there, they just share their story. We kind of just do this. We have a conversation.

And we just talk about these people's stories and what they've learned and where, you know, where it got has been and the miraculous, like, redemption that has come from so many of these stories.

Yeah, redemption is important, you know, and as you indicated earlier, you know, best when that person recognized that they are free from whatever the enemy was up to.

What if the spiritual enemy with a two leg one that's walking around?

Actually, how can this be a free 15 minute story to recall with you to find out if stored coaching is a good fit for them?

So the easiest way to go to my website, which is stories unveiled conference dot com.

And there is a contact tab and just go to the contact tab and it goes directly to me, put in the subject, coaching the February call and just let me know who you are and when you would be interested and then I will connect and send a link to be able to schedule that.

But yeah, just the contact tab page on the website is the easiest way.

And let's take a look at our show notes and that will give you the additional information in correlation with what Ashley just shared.

And if they want to learn in a 15 minute call.

So we discuss what we will be going through. I go over what kind of homework you will have and what kind of the time commitment would be, how many sessions we have.

And the things that we will discuss and I will answer any questions that the person has for me to decide whether this is something that would be valuable for them.

How can interested listeners host a stories unveiled conference in their community?

So actually the same way, I try to make everything a little bit between lines, but go to the website and go to the contact page and in the subject line, just write host conference.

And then again, tell me who you are and where you where you live just going a little bit of information, I will respond properly, it goes directly to me.

I love to do a lot of more either phone call or face to face and call type things. I love email is fast and efficient, but you know, because my whole ministry is kind of built on vulnerability and, you know, intimacy and that respect.

I love having conversations with people to really like, here today are their hearts and just hear about them.

So somebody wants to host a conference, they just send me an email, we'll get something locked in on the calendar to be able to discuss logistics of that and also if it's a good fit for their church, their small groups, whatever, wherever they're looking to host it.

Hey, tell us about your merchandise store.

Yeah, so we have a merch store. Right now, actually, the stories unveiled logo the merchandise is on hold due to some inventory and stuff, but I do still have a merchandise store up on the website.

There, at this point, you can only purchase a ticket from last year's virtual conference. So it's the recording from the conference. So if anybody is interested in what a story of unveiled conference is, they can go to the merch store on the website and they can download the recording for that.

It's not very expensive at all, but then you have free access to everything for the conference from this last year.

However, I do partner with an organization, it's called Hello Beauty Full, that is two words spelled out, the word beauty and the word full. So it's Hello Beauty Full and company.

She has, she also has an incredible story and she's just, she's from Ukraine and she moved to the United States several years ago and started this company just due to some stuff that happened in her, in her past and in her family, and she just has such a passion for seeing the beauty and all people.

So we have collaborated for the last three years. She does a lot of my line now, and so you can find a lot of my stories unveiled merchandise on her website, actually.

So yes, potentially that link could be also in the podcast notes here. Could be able to go check that out.

Okay, also, if you don't mind, send her information, they may try to get her on as well as I'll send an invite to Astor as well because he has a powerful story individually.

I'm sure a man has a phrase got because the real Christian mass is now on your face, still like you indicated, you know, do a lot of individuals, irrespective of who they are, whether they're believers or not.

You know, believers are the fellowship with God that are wounded and walking around, you know, gone be like, whatever the reason is happening in the face.

And God just wanted you somebody to render us to him so that that person like yourself and like Astor can begin to rest those individuals so that they can in fact like you,

but the real Christian mass on especially throughout of your talent and trout, how has the relationship grown and strengthen in Jesus Christ?

Well, gosh, you mentioned the word truss early on and it's true. I mean, I would say the biggest theme in my life is mistrust, especially as men.

And because of, you know, as my supposed friend, the trained truss, my husband, the trained truss, the man who was supposed to be my father, the trained truss, I just have had one, one example after another, and you know, you get to a point sometimes where you're like, why God?

But what's this all for? I know there have to be a purpose, but why? And for me, it's just a realization that I have, but I can put my trust in people all day long that I will always be let down.

I will always be let down because they're humans and we're all humans and we're flawed. But God will never let me down. And I have to remember to continue to put my trust in him who was gone and who will never forsake me.

Because he's the only one that he's the only one that will continue to carry me through that, you know, men, friends, people, you know, parents will always fail you in one way or another due to unmet expectations or whatever it is that God won't.

So it has caused me to lean into him to strengthen my relationship with him, to go to him first instead of friends or family or whoever, but to really lean in and trust is a really big deal to trust that God got it.

That he has a plan and it's a plan for good. Regardless of what I think good is, God can see the bigger picture and I cannot and so to just lean into that and to just trust and surrender because I ultimately have no control over any of this.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. You know, I'm, I'm, when I say hard, not, not malicious, but from a loving account of building toward men.

But at the same time, you know, I am from a relational discussion always, when I hear someone not in our conversation today, but when I hear someone say that all men are like, I'll step up and I'll say, well, I disagree.

And I'll wait for you to say, well, what do we just be in our explain why because that's important to explain?

I always say, you know, all men nor all women do not have the desire to use misuse or abuse but serialize the difference.

So that's why it's important to continue to make that distinction. And as you saw in the game, that's a very clearly show, you know, when you go back to the beginning, where we all have to, if we want to, in our lives, when we go back to the beginning of the first human family, they're all of us as human, a resonator from.

Let's get familiar, the falling down and then take it from there, coming back to all of us as individuals, like Ashley has indicated, you know, the human frillity of us all without giving an excuse.

Because again, we're talking about trust and one of the powerful, powerful things that Ashley said that all of us should remember.

I think that's what God would have us through. Yeah, we can put limited trust in whomever, but he wants us to put our all and all in him because we recognize everything about the crowd that we've gone through, going through and will go through.

So did ultimately would not rely on him to get us through it and give us the victory to that. In fact, we can have that testimony and be that man, a woman, a woman, a man of God, and he's called us to be like he's doing it.

Ashley's life, Ashley's life, and everybody that they're coming in contact with, Ashley, how can listeners contact you and any final words?

The easiest way is my direct email is storiesunveiled.outlook.com. Or again, the website is the easiest way to go to that contact page and just send me an email, it goes directly to my email.

So those are really the most direct and easiest and quickest ways to get in contact with me. I do also have Instagram and Facebook. Storiesunveiled is just a handle on both Instagram and Facebook and the message on there can follow along and see the things that are posting, updates, stuff like that.

And then final words, honestly, I just so strongly and passionately believe that our stories matter. Jesus spoke in parables. He spoke in stories that's literally how he communicated with his disciples and people that he came in contact with and we were wired for stories and for a relationship.

And so for anybody who is living in whether it's sin or darkness or even just the shadow of shame from something that's happened in their past, maybe they're living with a secret or living with a burden that they are fearful of sharing, that just holds you in bondage.

And I just want to give encouragement to anybody that's in that situation that stories matter and they change lives. And especially if you share your story recognizing who God is and in light of the gospel, it can do exceedingly and abundantly more than you could ever imagine. And it doesn't just help other people. It helps you because it's one step closer to healing and it's one step out of the darkness and in civil life.

Lastly, thank you for coming on challenge as a video program. Make sure you return and provide update anytime you so desire.

There are loving and merciful God continue to let reach.