Interview: War, Gold, and the Financial System’s Breaking Point

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Well, it's great to be back.

David, good to see you.

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Well, a lot of people are looking at this chaos.

And right away, we had gold shoot way up over the weekend.

Monday, it was way up and then the American market's open.

And as Gerald Slinty said, phew, goes down.

Same thing happened with oil.

Oil was way up because people were reacting to the reality of it.

And then apparently there's some manipulation that's happening in the American market somehow.

The plunge protection team or whatever, this spike protection team, I guess,

trying to make sure that gold and oil don't spike.

Nevertheless, the reality is there.

It's the same type of thing that people, we've been talking about for a long time.

We look at what the federal government is doing with debt and deficit.

And when you look at the inflation and the money creation, all the rest of the stuff,

those are real factors that are going to have.

And in fact, they can manipulate it in the short term.

They can try to play games with it, but it's going to win out in the end.

And so I went back and looked at, I thought, you know, there's so many parallels

between 1973 and the OPEC, Roland Bargo.

And I was kind of curious as to how gold had taken off.

And it took a while before it started taking off because everybody was focused on oil.

And we see that happening again this time.

It was the average price in 1973, even with the OPEC, Roland Bargo, was $97.

But then by the time we got to 1979, it went from $2.25 to $5.60 something that year.

And then by the beginning of 1980, it jumped up to $800.

And then went back down to like the 5.60 level after that.

But that's kind of the pattern that we're looking at at 8.5 times, you know,

the peak was 8.5 times larger than what was even after the embargo had started.

So I'm looking at this and thinking, well, if history rhymes, you know,

we could be looking at something that's like 8 to 9 times higher.

And in a couple of years, it's the stuff that's percolating through

because gold was reacting not just to the immediate oil spike,

but it was reacting to the fact that it had to percolate through the system.

And we're going to see the effects of the oil price increase percolate through the system.

And the inflation and the stagflation that was happening with all that was percolating through.

And so it may take a while, but we're seeing articles here on kick-co.

One guy said, well, you know, $6,000, nothing guy says $10,000.

But if it went up anywhere close to what it did in 1973 from 1973 to 1980,

it'd be up to $40,000.

$45,000 is crazy.

And of course, you asked before I took that out, those similarities between those timelines.

And you're also right to point out there's some sort of plunge protection team here in the US

when the financial sector trying to suppress these prices that are running away from us,

the price of gold and the price of crude oils,

a matter of fact, I was spending some time with a friend of mine,

I've known for over 30 years,

who's now a high up executive in an oil drilling company.

He travels all over the world.

This is a very smart guy.

And we were watching in real time the foreign markets as they opened up on Sunday

what the prices of crude were.

And he just looked at me and said, I've been doing this for 25 years.

He's like, I've never seen anything like this.

This has never happened.

This percentage and jump in the price of crude that fast has never happened.

And he said, it may just start running away where they can't stop it,

where it's going to get to $200 a barrel.

He said, that's a real possibility.

So given that and his knowledge on that,

I looked at the markets as they opened up, you're exactly right.

But the difference is, David, if you go back to the 70s,

1973 was the last year that the United States ran a trade surplus.

We never ran a trade surplus.

Again, after that, it was trade deficits into the trillions.

And that's a massive transfer of wealth that went to places like China.

But at the end of the 70s, your right gold

was near $600 an ounce and then hit $800 an ounce in 1980.

But you had the ability for the United States and the financial sector to suppress that.

And they did, they did.

They had, they raised interest rates to the teens.

There was a lot of financial maneuvering to take focus away from the loss of

purchasing power of the dollar.

And they used that system for a long, and it worked for a long time.

They can't do that anymore.

The debt of the US in 1980 was one trillion.

And it took us, you know, from the beginning of our history in 1776 to 1979,

80 to get there.

Now we do a trillion every 90 days or so and you and I have covered that.

So I don't think they have the ability to suppress that runaway

gold price anymore like they did in 1980.

And you're right, the predictions of $6,000 and $10,000 gold.

I don't think that's off the mark at all given our current economic climate.

Last week we talked about, and again, I looked all over to try to see if any

major network covered this, but you and I talked about it.

The dollar got surpassed by gold as the world's reserve asset.

We've talked about that for years and it was always number one was the dollar,

but because of the massive accumulation by central banks of physical gold and then the repricing

going into, you know, 5,000 plus, that creates a holding that gold is higher than the dollar

and the reserve holdings of the central bank.

So we've crossed a lot of boundaries with the de-dollarization

and the world, you know, monetary system.

So there's no way they can suppress what's truly happening, which is de-dollarization

across the board.

That's right.

As a matter of fact, this article that's talking about $6,000 gold said,

well, you don't have to beat the US militarily.

All you have to do is beat the bond market.

Heavy reliance on US dollars by foreign nations that are concurrently dependent on imported energy.

And when all oil price spikes in the dollar strengthens,

foreign entities are forced into a difficult position.

He points out that they have to have energy, they have to have food,

they have to have these commodities.

And so they will sell their dollar assets starting with

treasuries because they're the deepest and the most liquid to essentially buy oil.

The dynamic creates a cycle where foreign nations effectively use the US bond market

to finance their energy deficits, driving yields higher.

And so that's what it starts to become a cycle, feedback cycle with that as well.

And so it's going to put pressure on them to basically more pressure on them to dump

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So time is really on Iran's side.

And they've thought about this from a strategic standpoint,

which obviously the planners in the Pentagon never thought about anything other than we have the

most planes and the most bombs and we can, you know, the kind of stuff that you hear

Pete Hakesoff boasting about all the time.

Well, it reminds me a little bit of the the Von Schleefen plan from War War 1 with the Germans.

They had all this time and they decades to draw this thing up.

They were always looking into the best way to use troop movements and

whatever they're trying to keep up with technology.

And it was it wasn't even about any sort of real goals other than just defeating something,

but they just kept drawing up this plan and drawing up this plan.

And finally it got into action the Von Schleefen plan of War War 1.

And they thought it was about a quick victory.

And of course, you fast forward, you know, four plus years.

And we just had the great Civil War of the West and millions died.

And it's a wasteland, just an utter carnage and evil.

So, you know, these military types when they they have this.

And it's also the aggressors too, isn't it?

It's like the people who started off, they always want to blitzkrieg or something,

you know, that's exactly right.

Like the Lightning War shock and all remember shock and all.

I followed behind shock and all didn't shock.

They're all very much in effect, you know, I can attest to that.

There was there was I think a delusion behind this type of thinking.

And it's it's demonic in my opinion.

They always have some arrogance or ubers behind them that the rest of us are just I we

don't think this way.

I'm looking at I don't see any upside.

I mean, how can you not convince me that this is just some sort of humiliation ritual for chaos

and like we're we're being destroyed from within with bad policy?

Is anybody really think that we're going to win this in some way?

And what is winning when the the world markets, you know, how fragile this system is?

You look at the price of crude.

It's going to destroy whatever if you if you had any economic growth or any sort of progress.

That's right.

It's being destroyed right now.

That's right.

How long is it going to take to recover?

Warpeat thinks it's we're going to win this because he doesn't think about anything other than

just destruction and death.

And what the clown he is I saw the clown.

I saw, you know, a couple of retired colonels in general zoom.

Gregor was one of them and another guy not in one interview, but in a couple of different ones.

And they were saying, yeah, look at this press briefing that's being given by

Warpeat and by Dan Cain, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff.

And he said, Dan Cain gets up there.

He starts giving the standard presentation.

Well, we got this many planes that we psyched this many ships and all the rest of the kind,

a lot of the stuff that's kind of like what Warpeat does.

But he says, I've set through those briefings, you know, through these different wars

we've had, you know, Vietnam and Iraq and all the rest of stuff.

And it's meaningless.

You know, this is like Robert McNamara's body count.

It really doesn't mean anything in the bigger picture of things.

And they've lost the bigger pictures, you point out.

Well, there's a lot of echoes of McNamara and Rumsfeld here,

but we've reached a new level of stupid.

We're in a new, and I'm sorry, it is terrifying.

This is the secretary of war.

I mean, you renamed it, you own it and you're right, a secretary of war crimes.

So in this, just to start off the war by killing, what is it, 177 members of a girl's

school in Iran, that's confirmed at anti-war.com and that's been confirmed.

They can deny it all they want, but that's what they did.

That's right.

And this is just, and more importantly, Tony,

they don't have the decency to apologize for it.

And they don't have the respect for the intelligence, the American people.

They even come up with a plausible denial, right?

That's what Trump is doing.

He's, ah, Tomahawks, everybody's got Tomahawks.

Ron's got Tomahawks.

I'm sure Ron did that to their own people.

That kind of stupidity, and oh, well, our missiles are accurate.

Well, if you're saying it was a Tomahawk, then that's an accurate missile.

Like I said, when I was talking about this earlier in the week,

I had a friend who was in the military and he said,

yeah, we talked about the cruise missiles.

We can pick which window of the Kremlin we want to put it through.

That may have been a little bit of an exaggeration, but not by much.

And so he says, yeah, everybody's got Tomahawks.

Absolute lie.

I mean, they don't even sell those to Israel.

And then he proceeds from there.

This is the same kind of lies we saw in Minnesota.

They have no respect for intelligence.

And why should they?

People voted for them.

What's all based off of lie?

Whether or not they intentionally did it,

or they just skipped over the fact that they're doing their due diligence

of what target both are lies, both have ill intent.

And every aspect of this, I've seen in real time,

I've seen, you know, they're so-called smart bombs

that hit civilian targets.

And it is so awful.

You have to imagine if you're hitting civilian targets,

and maybe it's not on purpose, but they are collateral damage,

you are exacting a toll.

And you are creating death and destruction.

It should be such a solemn thing that you have to,

you're forced to do it.

We just went and did this with no provocation,

with no reason.

And there's no strategic or a defense advantage to this.

I mean, the people that did this,

in my opinion, I mean, somebody like Pete,

this is just a devoid of any sort of Christian character

or understanding of the real consequences of war.

And I'm afraid from my country when I see stuff like this,

this is complete arrogance.

Well, Senator John Kennedy apologized for it.

And he's the only one,

Democratic Republican who's apologized for it.

Now, some people, some Democrats applauded him for apologizing for it.

So we got it wrong.

We didn't mean to do that.

But that was not the response of Trump.

Not the response of War Pete.

War Pete uses it as an occasion to boast about the fact

we don't target civilians.

And our missiles are accurate and so forth.

So, you know, that's his response.

Getting possibly happened.

And Scott Ritter, when he was talking about it,

said, you know, he is still haunted by one particular case like this

that he was involved in.

He said, we did our due diligence.

We had really good reason to believe that that was

where some of Saddam Hussein's people were.

But he said, it turned out we were wrong.

Even with all the due diligence.

He said, I live with that every day.

I think about the consequences of that.

But he said, what's happening with this?

They've got so many targets.

It's kind of like what they did in Minnesota.

They said, we want X number of arrests every day.

Just go out there and grab people.

And he said, that's at least two sloppy work.

And yet, you know, it might be something.

It might involve this anthropic

Claude's AI because they were using that in terms of targeting.

And yet, when you look at that,

what Pete Hexath wants to do is give even more discretion

to AI if AI made the mistake.

Or if it was old data that they had or whatever it was.

He wants to, he's already shut down a lot of the oversight.

And he wants to shut down even more oversight of this.

And he has the audacity to say, we don't target civilians.

You know, they just kill everybody, right?

It's crazy.

And we'll tell that to the people in Dresden

and the fire bombing of Tokyo.

That's right.

You know, me lie.

You can go on and on if you don't have history.

And that happens, that's all countries.

This happens to any sort of military power

that's fighting a war.

There's always some sort of darkness

behind nobody gets out of that month's case.

But to fight this war,

you have to, I have not seen a plausible explanation

other than this is Operation Epstein Fury

that we're acting on behalf of a foreign government.

That's right.

And they're bidding.

I saw, that's all I see.

Yeah.

So it's that this is not in the American interest.

It's despicable.

And it goes against everything.

He promised his own voters.

I don't understand why there hasn't been a bigger price.

But there may be a bigger price to pay

by the time they get to the election.

I don't know.

But so that was one person saying,

you know, 6,000 by mid-year in terms of gold

based on what he was looking at.

You've got another analyst saying he thinks 10,000 by 2029.

And he said, you know, everybody talking about 10,000 dollar gold

just a year or two ago by thought you were crazy.

Now it doesn't look like he does it.

You know, because it's spiked up to what?

5,300 was that about 5,300 or what, God?

Yeah, over the first at the weekend of the strike on the 28th

going into the first part of March, it was 5,300.

And then there's some profit taking it some sell off.

But we've crossed so many boundaries here, David.

It's hard.

We're not going to go back to, you know,

the way that gold pricing used to be.

And there's a few different times when

2011 is another great example of when they were able to

suppress gold again by outwardly showing that there's going to be fiscal

responsibility and that the Fed's not going to do massive quantitative easing

and tarp and all the rest of that stuff and bail out these banks anymore.

And people calm down silver, sold off, gold, sold off.

I don't think that'll happen again.

I don't think that they can truly suppress either crude anymore

or the gold markets, I don't think they can suppress.

And so $10,000 gold, very plausible within this decade and all we would need

is just to continue down the path that we're on right now.

I mean,

Absolutely, yeah.

Gold was, I remember I went to the trading floor in August of 2024

and I was leaving and I did a post about it and I thought,

this is really historic.

There's $2,500 gold.

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Like that, that's so crazy.

Like if we, and because I've followed this for so many years and I was like 2500, what a milestone.

Well, but here we are.

And it's 2026, not quite two years later at all.

And we're looking at talking about $10,000 gold at the end of the decade.

I think completely plausible.

Because in 6,000 definitely within striking distance.

Just let this keep going.

Yeah.

You got a well, that's the thing.

It will.

They have wargamed this out.

We didn't plan this, but they did.

They plan the response.

Absolutely.

All they have to do, like Iran right now.

And think about the oil exporting countries and those who rely.

They're going to get a windfall profit from this.

Of course, there's going to be massive downturns in other parts of the economy.

But think of the amount of margin that these countries are going to be able to bring in

just the price of crude alone.

And the fact that the straight-of-oramose is blocked at 90%

and that's where what 20% of the outflows used to come from globally.

So all bets are off.

And it's 25% of all shipping that goes through the straight-of-oramose.

Because there's a lot of other stuff that besides oil that goes through

their food, clothes and electronics and all the rest of the stuff.

And so it is a massive, massive oversight

to have the arrogance to think that we're going to take them out so quickly.

We don't even have to worry about that.

We don't even have to plan about that.

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Well, I tell you, he was not having an easy time with stacking and that is Dubai.

They said their gold flows have been crushed.

Because it's not just the straight-of-oramose.

These are flights, they're not putting the gold on a tanker.

It's not that heavy.

But they're putting on airplanes and so many problems with air flights being restricted as well.

It's not just sea freight that's restricted.

It's air freight that's restricted as well.

And so it's created just like we see these tankers are all full

and setting in the water.

They said that's a record amount and never had that much oil

setting on the water in tankers and they don't have any

unsure storage facilities left with this stuff either.

And so you're getting the same type of thing with gold and it is stacking up.

And so ironically, you're getting these places like in Dubai and other places where they are

so heavily stocked with gold.

They're getting desperate to move the inventory.

They're discounting it there.

So that's kind of a crazy way to look at it.

I've got a question here, Tony, for you from Jason Barker.

Nice to store me.

He said,

ask Tony what the sourcing challenges for silver are compared to a couple of months ago.

Here it's getting really hard to get inventory.

It's getting harder and harder.

And what's crazy about that is that there's two problems with that.

The one side, the refiners mostly aren't melting the silver, which that would help with supply.

I'm not sure exactly why they aren't.

But there's a lot of the, and I think maybe the price volatility is one reason

that a lot of the refiners are not melting.

This rise in prices and then the turn back of those prices,

the volatility has hurt a lot of people.

It's hurt a lot of the supply chains, hurt a lot of dealers.

And luckily, we came through that pretty much unscathed.

But I have to pay attention to it.

I have to dream about it and where I'm going to land because it's all over the place.

So my mind is constantly calculating what the next

buy batch is going to be and what I'm going to sell off and what my percentages are.

But I know it, I know for a fact it didn't hurt a lot.

So it's really disrupted supply.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, you're living in an environment of hyperinflation,

you know, like the Vimar Republic or

the African nations in Bobway, I think they had.

In Zimbabwe.

Yeah.

So we see that and we've seen the tales of people.

It was even happening in Argentina there, you know, people talking about how merchants

would have bread on the shelf and they would have to constantly be changing the price

throughout the day for this kind of stuff.

That's the environment that you live in.

I don't envy you at all at Weiserwolf.

It's difficult, but I'm glad that I have this opportunity.

I think it's a good puzzle to solve and I get to help a lot of people because if you've been

buying from Wolfpack for a while, like you've protected the purchasing power of your dollar,

even with paying premiums, even with, you know, shipping and all the rest of the stuff that we

have to charge, you've done well to protect yourself.

And I think that will be the case for many years to come, if you're putting your dollars

and fiat into metals, I think you still got a long way to go to protect yourself.

That's right.

Yeah, there was a comment from a guy who worked for Goldman Sachs in terms of commodity things.

And he says, we've always seen this type of thing in the past.

Big movement out of soft stuff like technology stocks and things like that into the real stuff.

And so we're at a switching point right now where that is happening again.

The pendulum is moving again towards commodities like oil and base metals and precious metals

and stuff like that, infrastructure.

And you better believe there's going to be a lot of spending on infrastructure because nothing

chooses up infrastructure like wars, especially now.

They can target the infrastructure so precisely.

And we've seen that already in Russia and Ukraine and so and already in the,

oh, four, we've seen that people, you know, have the US and Israel targeting the oil refineries

of Iran and they're returning the favor.

So even if this war were to end tomorrow, the knock on effects of this are going to be very,

very long. It's going to be a big bottleneck of constipation from these tankers,

just like we saw when Trump took the boot off of our necks with a lockdown.

It created all kinds of, you know, train wreck and derailments with the supply chain

and took a long time to iron that out.

And a lot of the effects of things that happened back in 2020, it's still not been ironed out.

North American House Depot, he says, for all of Trump's bluster,

isn't interesting that he hasn't taken credit for doubling the price of gold.

Because that's a metric of failure for him, isn't it?

That's a, that's a good point.

Well, you know, the saddest part about all of this is it's so predictable.

Yeah. We talk about this for years.

Like this is what, you know, you have currency wars and trade wars and then you have

kinetic actual wars. You could have avoided all of this though.

It was a choice like we, it's, you know, the, the only thing we

are interested in who's wearing four-shime shoes.

And what, what is the size of your foot?

That's how I size up a man, right?

And what, and was, uh, why do we have to have Trump?

Was Nero not available?

Could we not get that guy?

Bertha, the whole thing down.

I just, I think he's more like Caligula, you know?

He's very much, yes.

Because of very much on the, on the spectrum of that.

Yeah.

It's really sad to watch David.

And who knows where all these prices are going to go.

I mean, I, I think the most, and something that sticks with me and what,

when I look at prices or price predictions for metals or what,

there could be a big coin too, is just how small the markets are.

I mean, gold's like a $20 trillion market cap.

But the world is like a $600 trillion asset pool.

So, I mean, you're talking about just a small amount goes into gold.

And I think silver is like a, was it $3 trillion market cap?

Something maybe, maybe four.

It's a small thing.

Bitcoin's like two compared to the hundreds of trillions that are supposedly

floating in currencies and sovereign wealth funds and bonds and real estate and

other things around the world.

And when that stuff, and you're right, the Goldman Sachs trader is right.

Volatility and then uncertainty.

These, all those funds are going to migrate into something else that's more stable

that you can count.

I mean, you don't know where tech's going to go.

You don't know where any of these, like even medical or any of these stuff is going to go.

Well, even tech is going to be affected by this stuff.

They were saying, you know, the Gulf states have been big purchasers of this stuff.

And they were ramping up data centers, not just buying in video chips,

but you know, entire data centers that they were in the process of budgeting to build.

That ain't going to happen now because they're going to have to,

they've got other things on their plate that's going to happen.

It's amazing when you look at how complicated all this stuff is.

And it just comes from the hubris of central planners who think that they understand the way

the world works. Nobody does, you know, it's like Leonard and what's the guy's name that did

eye pencil? Leonard Reed was that his name? And you know, he talks about how nobody's

planning a pencil, but it's all this kind of invisible hand of Adam Smith type of thing.

And that's the problem, you know, Trump and his planners have shown that they don't understand

the first thing about how the global economy works. If he did, he wouldn't be trying to throw

a monkey wrench into it all the time with his egoomics of tariffs. You know, I don't like this

guy over here who's leader of that country. So I'm going to put, you know, 100 percent

tariff on him tomorrow, you know, that type of thing. It's stupid. It's beyond stupid.

A Syrian girl says with projected prices of crude oil, I think a lot of people are in danger

of dying in the dark and cold next winter. Yeah. And of going broke as well in the UK,

one guy was talking about how liquid natural gas is something they've been pushing them toward.

They said, Oh, we don't want to have coal and we don't want to have oil. They're too dirty. So

you're going to burn gas. Well, now they don't have the gas. And they said they're going to pay

a lot more for it. That's why Lindsey Graham is rubbing his hands together like a conniving

fly. And they're saying, we're going to get rich. You know, he's going to his military

industrial people going to get rich replacing the bombs. And then they're going to get rich,

he thinks, because they're going to control 31% of the world's oil. But you can't get it out.

You know, if if Iran blows up the refineries and the reports and the oil wells,

oil fields and things like that, I think I'm going to get to that oil. They can't get to the

world and been as well. So, you know, all this stuff is stupid. Yeah, it's stupid.

I mean, what's good of being rich at the world's on fire? I mean, really, have they, do they

think these things through? I don't know. You know, we didn't talk about. And they have their

finger on the button as well. That's exactly right. And that's terrifying. And people like Lindsey

Graham that actually have power. Yeah. I think that's we get the leaders that we deserve. I think

some level like that. The American people deserve that deserve to get him. South Carolina is like,

well, he does support Israel. And you know, that's what you get folks that you get Lindsey Graham.

You know, we didn't talk about David as we didn't talk. There was one thing in all of the news

headlines that I thought, uh-oh, we'd better highlight that. And that was the fact that Black Rock

and Blackstone stopped the outflows of some of their private equity funds. And

they're not the only ones. There's others, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley. Yeah, the

contagion is spreading. I think it's up like three or four of them now that it put limits on that.

That, that is something to watch. I mean, again, that's another thing.

It didn't make a lot of headlines just in the circles that you and I pay attention to

in some of the things. But I think that is a good indicator of this huge possible credit crunch

and liquidity issues, bank runs. I've had some people text me about banking and

you know, I, I'm very cautious. Yeah. Looking into how much liquidity you've got in a bank

at any given time, I'll always be careful of that. And we look at the private equity. I just,

yesterday I looked it up because I asked, uh, Gerald Slinty on air said, so it's just tied together

with commercial rules saying, oh, yeah, yeah, I looked it up after the show. And it's like,

that's a huge part of this private equity fund. The thing is that Gerald Slinty has been talking

about, Trinidad General for a long time, the commercial rule state bust because of what happened

with 2020 and what Trump did, his first round of chaos and control. And so the, you know, this,

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There. Absolutely. A citizen of America says, I remember not too long ago we had a flash flood

and a bunch of our young schoolgirls were washed away at camp mystic. And I thought to myself,

how horrible. And the nation grieved. But somehow they can't be horrified by this.

And they can't accept any responsibility for either. And that's the key thing, isn't it?

You know, that's one of the first things that happens in war. First casualties truth.

But it's also the second casualty is the humanity of the people in the other country.

Yeah, we treat them as some kind of subhuman. They're on a different team now. You know,

they've got a different flag and different leaders. So they're no longer human.

And we don't regard them as human. And that's a good example of it, I think.

Yeah. And imagine how horrifying it is years later when you realize they probably

weren't the enemy to begin with. Even if you did dehumanize them and then we learn about,

there wasn't any dancing Iranians that I remember from our research on 9-11. So there's so

many lies that used to write the first casualty of wars, the truth. And then your humanity goes

as well. And then you join into the ceremony of things. And that's why I want to be a thousand miles

away from whatever this is. Just comically spiritually, don't want any of it on me.

That's right. And I don't want anybody in my audience and my listeners to be pulled in at all

from this propaganda. It's so predictable what's going on, but it's also really sad.

We get in these seasons of war and this bloodlust kicks in for everybody, which is truly insane.

And you know, when you look at it, the lies that this all began with, you know,

completely ignoring our history with Iran, I could understand why Iran would think of us as

Satan when you look at the fact that we've been coming after them for 73 years. I mean, we're not

only, we don't leave them alone. We overthrow their government. We put in a king with a horrific

secret police that arrest tortures and kills people and trained by the CIA and Assad. They

suffer under that for a couple of decades. Then we start pushing in plan parenthood and all of our

disgusting values into the country. And then when they overreact in both of these ways and they

come in with very strict Islamic government, what we do is we ally ourselves with Saddam Hussein

and try to wipe them off the face of the map. When that doesn't work, we do the kind of stuff we're

doing now. We assassinate one leader after the other and then we attack the country. It's like,

what's going on? All of this is being done from our perspective and not from their perspective.

But the American public looks at it and all they know about with Iran is, well, they kidnapped

people at our embassy. And so they are the aggressor. They kidnapped and held these people.

And if you understand the history behind Iran Contra, you know, just how involved Ronald Reagan's

campaign manager, Bill Casey, while Bill Casey from the OSS, who was one of the founders of the CIA,

and how he told them, you know, cutting deals with these people that were supposed to be

unapproachable. We'll give you spare parts. You give us money and we set up a secret war.

Because that's what they always want. You know, we get black market money for a secret war.

We sell you parts so that you can kill people and oppress your own people. It's just insane

when you look at it. I thought it was funny. Somebody played clips with Condolecio Rice and she

was saying, well, Iran has been our enemies, you know, for 47 years. And I thought, well,

except for some brief interludes like when you dealt with, you know, hostages for missiles,

were there in Iran Contra, you know, things like that, or the flight that supposedly George H.

W. Bush took over there secretly to meet with the Iranian officials to hold the hostages a

little longer till after the inauguration of Reagan, you know, that's right. It's all sorts of

history that goes back. Yeah, wasn't enough to win the election. You had to keep the hostages

there until the day that Reagan has sworn in. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and I saw one of these

Iranian officials and he was, he teaches school now. He wasn't really in the government,

but he was very much a part of the regime. And he said, I tell this to the younger Iranians that

they don't believe me. Now, evil America is. And he says, and he was so convinced. And I think

what happened with that Iranian jetliner, I think that was an accident. I think it was exactly

the same kind of accident that took down flight 800. It's just that they couldn't cover it up,

when it happened to a foreign country's commercial airliner. But he thought that was deliberate.

Because that, that's his opinion of America. And I can understand that. But you know,

when we get upset with the Iranians because they don't like their government or whatever,

their government leaders just understand what the rest of the world might think about Americans.

And how this national security state has undermined the security and the safety and the peace

and the prosperity of you and your family. Because this is going to, these chickens are going to come

home to roost and talk about terrorist attacks. I don't think that this FBI document is credible.

But I think the US government is perfectly capable of doing a terrorist attack, falsifying.

And I think there's people around the world that would love to do this and not have it be a falsified

because of what we've done to people for so long. And we're just making this country so dangerous

by the actions of the CIA in the Pentagon.

Multi-factor danger in there because people, once there is a false flag or attack,

they will fall in line. And people like us that will see through it, we're going to

mean, we might have a little while right now where things are like, oh, I agree with David,

or I agree with Tony, because we're not real popular when it comes to analysis,

because people want to have their delusions. And it'll be even harder for us,

especially if there's some sort of galvanizing thing or an attack, a God forbid. I don't,

I mean, it's such an awful thing. I don't want any of this. We don't have time for it. And

I'm afraid of what it'll usher in. But Dave, you've seen some of that when it comes to the border.

You look at what's happening in Minnesota while the Trump regime was doing. And I said,

I've seen where this is headed for the longest time. Alex did documentary after documentary

about the police state, did four of them. And yet, when it's being done by Trump,

everybody cheers at when it's being done to throw out these dirty foreigners that came in here,

then everybody's for it. And again, that's the dehumanizing of this. Well, they're not citizens.

So I don't care what happens to them. It's like, well, we don't have citizens' rights as much as we

got human rights in the Declaration of Independence. It's because we are creating the image of God,

not because somebody in Washington has said that you're a citizen or not. And if we allow them to

get rid of our humanity, if we allow them to get rid of the humanity of people who have committed

a crime and came into this country illegally, but they still get due process. And it still needs to

be proportional. And it is not just the, the act of coming into the country illegally does not

make them a rapist and a murderer. I mean, there are rapists and murderers who came in as well.

But even they get due process to make sure we got the right people. And when you throw that stuff

out the window and you throw the humanity of people out the window, that is an incredibly

dangerous thing. And I've seen that with this Trump administration, whether you're talking about

ICE or whether you're talking about Venezuela and the machine gunning of people in the water

who is shipwrecked, I'm disgusted with this country. And when I, like you're talking about,

I want to stay a thousand miles away from that. I want to disassociate myself from that.

And I want Americans to disassociate themselves from that. It bothers me when I see people cheering

it and saying, I voted for this. Well, I think even with a false flag, the prices of things and

the economic consequences will override that. I think people will get tired on it a long enough

time. I think they're going to get tired of it real soon, by the way. This is not, not going

away. And you're about to see the midterms or everything else. I don't think this is going to

be popular. And perhaps the Trump administration knew this already. And they're just doing it

because they're acting on behalf of a foreign nation. There's no, there's no upside for them here

in the short run or the long run. I don't know if there's any other way to explain it. But

unfortunately, we're tied to this and we're along for the ride. So in my estimation, you know,

to look at it from what I do in the precious metals businesses, it's probably going to

have been never been a better time to get out of the system and into something that is yours

without counter-party risk, not to do an infomercial, but that's a good time to do that.

And you know, I look at this and it's the same kind of stuff that when Trump pumped and dumped

crypto, right? I was saying at the time, I said, it's on sale. We get your gold and silver, right?

And so I see this as another one with them manipulating the market to try to keep it from spiking

really huge with both gold and oil. Now is the time to try to protect yourself. And you know,

there are some measures that you can do to protect yourself and your family. And from a financial

standpoint, I don't think you can do better in terms of protection than gold. Nothing is perfect

and nothing's going to go straight up into the right always, but it is, you know, it's averaging

that out over a period of time and just trying to stick with what is real. I think that's the most

important thing. Well, Tony, thank you so much. Is there anything else you'd like to tell us about

what's going on at Wise Wolf? Well, I'm going to be traveling next week so I won't be able to do

the show, but and I always love coming on and talking to you. It seems like every time I resist

the news, we're experiencing some new fresher totalitarian tiptoes of something into the dystopias.

So I'll be living interesting times, right? I'll miss next week because I'm going to be traveling

and I'm going to I'm working on a new podcast episodes. I'll be out out of my normal jurisdiction.

But yeah, just, you know, we're doing everything we can. The crew is great and I'm sourcing as much

product as I can. I put out an email about a week or so ago to letting people know like we're

trying to get some of the smaller silver items. I've ordered stuff. We had some stuff lost in the

mail. There's always something going on with this business, but we're excited about some of the

cool stuff coming out on Wolfpack. So appreciate everybody who stuck with us. Well, that's great.

You're talking about podcast episode. Do you have a podcast episode today after this show?

I do. I'm going to do the Arterburn Radio transmission. Once a week on Thursdays,

11 a.m. Central time. Go find me on at Tony Arterburn on X and

Marika unplugged a channel over on Brumble. We'll be live here in about 40 minutes.

Right, right. Right after this show. Well, thank you very much, Tony. Again,

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