Is "Call Her Daddy" Alex Cooper A Hypocrite?

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As we've been covering the fallout, what it would have been, Taylor Frankie Paul's season

of the Bachelor at.

We wanted to bring you some additional headline news that recently came out.

This week, Alex Cooper of Call Her Daddy announced a cast for her new YouTube show Unwell

Winter Games, premiering April 6th.

Some Bachelor Nation favorites are also in the mix.

We have a lot to cover when it comes to this episode.

Let's start with the Bachelor Nation favorites.

Joe and Serena, who recently joined Alex Cooper's podcasting network, are at this Unwell

Winter Games.

We did a Winter Games for the Bachelor years ago, Ashley and myself were both a part of

it.

We were on this show.

A lot happened in both of our lives.

For me, it was very uncomfortable.

I didn't want to be there.

I didn't want to be there.

I was forced to be there.

I chose to be there.

Once I got there, I was like, this is not for me.

I'm not ready for this yet.

Ashley did have a little bit of a love interest on the show and also was very out of her element

when it came to Winter Sports, which added a very comedic element for me living in the

house.

The show I thought was like, well done.

It did not get great viewership.

Nobody really watched it.

But if you did watch it, I think you would say, yeah, that was a pretty good show.

It kept me entertained.

It had good competitions.

It had good challenges.

It was a beautiful setting.

There were some great cast members there.

They brought in people from all over the world who are part of Bachelor Nation in different

countries to be a part of this.

I loved it.

It was a lot of fun to be in the house when it wasn't pressured for dating or hair.

You're going to meet anybody and all those things.

I'm curious if Alex Cooper is going to be similar.

I'm guessing it is going to be Winter Sports focused, but it's almost summer.

We're moving out of winter.

Yeah.

It feels, I wonder what you think about that.

It felt like maybe your show, Winter Games, was probably not taped in the winter.

Where was it?

Where was it?

Years was.

So how long was yours held on to then?

It was a pretty quick turnaround.

Okay.

It was not long.

Okay.

So that's what I thought.

I thought with this show, I was like, oh, they probably just filmed this in the winter

in Utah.

And probably the goal was to turn it around fairly quickly and I feel like it's been delayed.

And maybe it's been delayed because of a lot of these contestants having some stuff

that's come out in recent weeks.

That is slightly problematic.

Do you know this?

This might be a little bit too much.

This news just came out to us.

We're just learning about this show, just understanding the cast.

I saw on social media that Joe and Serena were in Utah.

It looks like.

So are they filming it and putting it out within like the same week?

No.

I think that this was already filmed.

Okay.

This was already filmed.

So when were you seeing Joe and Serena in Utah?

Today on social media.

On Joe's social media, they posted, I'd love to understand if this is going to be one

of those almost live shows where they're not editing much out.

I don't know how they would do that.

I don't think so.

I get the vibe that they, these clips you're seeing on their social media were held.

I think these are, I think these are old.

Okay.

Yeah, because I can't imagine Dakota filming a show right now because he has full custody

of his son with Taylor.

So like, how would he even be navigating that right now?

Well, let's dive into this.

Obviously, we love Joe and Serena.

They're great.

They're fun.

They're sweet.

They're great.

Well, there's not a lot to talk about them other than, hey, I'm glad they're on TV's

again.

They're good people.

They're going to be a lot of fun.

But there are some interesting cast members that are a part of this show.

Yes.

I'm really curious to see if Dakota is going to promote the show like Joe and Serena did.

Because it does feel very weird to me and this is my own personal opinion.

It feels weird to me to know that you've been in the headlines because your ex or your,

I guess, your ex and also the woman that birthed your child season of the bachelor at was

canceled due to a situation that you're involved in that you're still involved in that you

hold full custody of the child right now because of this situation that just happened.

And that you you be promoting your show that you're going on that feels to me and tell

me if I'm wrong.

If just feels messy, I could probably put them like more language behind that.

It feels super weird.

It would feel very strange if he's out here and I haven't checked his social media actually

in the last 24 hours, but I can pull it up right now.

Yeah.

I think that is safe to say that that would feel very weird to have been going through

this huge media blitz in the last two weeks and then to turn around and be like, and

hey, tune into this YouTube show that I'm on where I'm competing and maybe flirting.

Like, I don't we don't really know the full concept of what's going to happen on this

show other than that they're competing in challenges, but like some of these people

are single, some of them aren't.

I just looked at his Instagram, he has not posted anything.

So he's not promoting this at all, not even on his stories it looks like.

So yeah, and not only is Dakota on this cast, but so is Demi from Secret Lives, who is

a former or current mom talk member.

I mean, it kind of is questionable what's going on with mom talk.

But she also has a situation that's kind of playing out right now because she's currently

in a defamation lawsuit with Vanderpump villistar Marciano, and we've been seeing that play

out in the headlines, he's suing her for defamation.

And then we've got this pending domestic violence thing going on with Dakota.

We also have Hooda from this past season of Love Island, who currently has a restraining

order out against her from her current boyfriend's ex-girlfriend.

That's literally just happened within the last two weeks.

So that's why I kind of feel like this show might have been on a bit of a delay in the

last couple of weeks because I think also I noticed Alex Cooper when she announced the

cast only promoted it to her Instagram stories and left her unwell brand to do all the

rest of the posting.

I think that that was a calculated thing in a lot of ways.

And we can go into some of the comments that I've seen, but I think we'll just say

what the synopsis of the show is it's set to premiere on YouTube next week.

It's four episodes and brings together 16 contestants at a luxury chalet in Park City,

Utah to compete in a series of mental and physical challenges over four days.

They're divided into two teams, one purple and the other blue, with one team winning

the final team prize.

In addition, competitors will individually compete for cash prizes throughout the challenges

that make up the competition.

The series was shot this past winter and was approved for film incentive money by the

Utah Board of Tourism Development.

Interesting, okay.

So it was shot already.

They've decided to come out with it.

And I think that's an element here that we should discuss.

There's, you didn't mention Anna Delvie.

Oh yeah, Anna Delvie being in the cast, obviously, is a very controversial move.

Did you know that her situation was about, that she was an honor artist?

Yeah, I've watched the whole Netflix show and then also she was on Dance with the Stars.

Yeah.

I guess, and just helped me make sense of it.

I look at this cast, I'm like, okay, there's some stuff here, right?

Some stuff that we should be, I would assume that society still takes very seriously.

And stuff that is harmful or has hurt themselves or others in the process.

And yet it feels like those are the people right now that we are promoting to the biggest

platforms and the biggest stages.

I think the only thing I have to say is, is it, I don't want to say it like a question.

I think my initial reaction is this and I'll say, it feels to me almost hypocritical

for Taylor Frankie Paul.

And again, I don't agree with what happened there.

I know I think it should have ended.

I don't think the show should have aired for that season, not to air.

But yet Dakota is out here two weeks later on a new show that is not getting the same type

of recourse or questions.

And from my understanding, and Heather, you've been tracking this and following this.

Like yes, the video in 2023 is really bad.

It makes sense again on why ABC did what they did, but he's not cleaning all of this

yet either.

No, there's a huge question mark on what happened in February.

We still don't know.

He has said one thing, she has said another.

He brought a last week.

We now know that he is filing charges for a situation that happened in 2024 with her,

which we don't know the details on.

We don't know what's going on with that.

So who's to say this show starts on April 6th, but something happens with him tomorrow,

where he gets charges brought against him.

What are you going to do in that situation?

Are you going to air this show?

Are you going to scrap it?

Same thing with the hood of thing.

She has a active restraining order out against her from a woman.

And I won't go into all the details.

You can read them online about what she's been accused of, violent threats, things like

that.

And I just think that there's no way that these conversations that you and I are having

right now didn't happen on the production side of this show, especially yesterday when

they were in the process of making the announcement of their cast.

Like, I think the internet is more of a wild west compared to television, which that's

what I was going to ask.

Is it a different standard when it comes to network television or YouTube?

100%.

They're not having to cater to the same kinds of ad buyers.

I feel like on YouTube, right?

It's like a huge part of the money that they're going to be making on this show is based

on clicks, not on necessarily ads.

So that's your free will, right?

To go and watch the show, click on it, and that is going to attribute to them making money.

Are there probably some sort of ad integrations in this show?

I would expect so.

And it goes back though to what we were kind of talking about with the network choosing

to make the pull.

It's a morality decision at some point.

Do you morally want to continue to give a platform to people that have a checkered past or

have questionable things going on currently in their lives that we don't know all the details

on?

Do you want to take that risk and give them a platform?

Or, and does this fit with the Alex Cooper brand that she has been promoting in the last

couple of years, which is very female forward, very female independent, very women's rights

focused.

And remember, she was the one who made the initial announcement and did the full interview

with Taylor Frankie Paul, helping her to set the record straight as to why she deserved

this opportunity about her background, taking accountability, to then talk about her

toxic relationship with Dakota and then turn around and give said toxic man a platform.

It feels a little like you said hypocritical in some ways.

It's I'm sure these conversations have existed like you said in the production room already.

And as you know, they decided to still announce that this show was happening.

I don't, I mean, I think they could have paused it and nobody really would have known.

But then we're further away from winter.

The longer you pause, we're further away from winter and when does it then make sense

to air it?

You know, I, so it's, I understand they're, they're on a time table as well.

It's either they air it or they don't.

I don't think that they actually had the opportunity to pause it much longer.

I assume that they did for a second, but I think we should read some of the feedback.

Yeah.

I haven't seen any of this.

You have all of this?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, I just, I hope the listeners tracking with the like thought process here of this just

feels, and I mean, goodness, unfortunately for the unwelmed network, this is ill time,

no matter what at this point, like it is stuff happened outside of, you know, this show

specifically with a large cast that made them have these conversations in the background

and they probably have a lot of money into the show.

And it's one of their first shows that they're, you know, launching.

I agree, but I will say that Anna Delby is a choice, right?

All of her stuff happened long before filming.

But Disney had her on dance with the stars.

Exactly.

So if, you know, they fell on the sword for it and they did have a lot of negative feedback.

I do remember that, you know, coming out of the show, but she made it, you know, didn't

she make it reasonably far?

No, she got kicked off really early on.

Okay.

But yeah, it's a choice.

It's a, it's a choice, though.

The other things, the Dakota stuff, the Hoodie stuff, the Demi stuff, that all has really

come out in the last like month or so.

Um, yeah, I mean, some of these comments that were left on the unwelpage, uh, Bream Z,

news underscore said Alex, do not piss me off.

Why would you have Dakota on this show?

He is involved in a serious investigation.

Do better and don't do everything for views, shaking my head.

Um, another Olivia Pegg Ram X says, why does Taylor show get canceled and then Dakota

gets an opportunity?

Has nobody watched tell me lies?

He is not worthy of this opportunity.

The one on to say Dakota and Hoodie, what are you doing?

I spy, this person put, I spy domestic abuse and filed restraining orders all over this

lineup with a mix of actual cool people.

What is happening?

Are there no standards anymore?

And I think that just kind of goes back to what you and I were just discussing it.

It feels like the wild cards are just.

And given opportunity time and time again, when other people have to jump through hoops

and have to pass background checks and things like that, it just seems like celebrities.

And I use the term celebrity very loosely when talking about this lineup is given things

and cut corners and we just saw how cutting corners for somebody ended up it ended up with

a show being put on the cutting room floor.

So I guess it'll be interesting to see if people click on this and watch it or if anything

else comes out before this show premieres.

But I think it's kind of a weird move for a female founder who is like built this gigantic

platform on women and women's stories and women kind of going against the grain.

It just feels a little off.

What happens, Heather?

You've been in this world for a long time.

What happens if this shows a massive success?

And this is the cast that was brought out to the public and now it works.

Do we just continue down this lane of bringing on people who have a questionable past because

they are in the headlines because they are making the news.

Do we just keep bringing them on these shows because we production companies believe

that that's what the viewers want?

I think it's a little hard for me to determine what would be a success for this show and what

would be a fail.

I think obviously a fail would be very low view count or something.

But does high view count mean that it actually retained people?

Does it actually mean that people are watching it and then going and talking about it with

their friends and their family and telling other people to go watch it?

That is what I determine to be more successful.

So it's hard for me to understand what a success would be for a YouTube show.

Also the fact that there's only four episodes means that to me that the bar is pretty low

in terms of success.

Being four episodes is a heck of a lot cheaper than shooting 10.

So is it like we get a million views for four videos?

That sounds successful then, you know, because we didn't put a lot into it.

So it's going to be hard to determine I think what makes this show, quote unquote, successful

or if they're just looking at it as successful because it's in the headlines and it's already

getting a lot of buzz.

Yeah, and it's promoting the shows that are in her network like the Joe and Serena show

and her talent.

So if it's, if this is a promotion or marketing play, then yeah, it would be hard to

know what's the success or not.

It's going to be interesting.

It was just announced we wanted to break it down for you here at the almost famous podcast

because there are bachelor nation contestants that are involved in this show.

Then obviously we have kind of the buzz around the show with the cast that was announced

as well.

Heather will watch and see, you know, I'm getting older, but I want to watch like really

like fun people do fun things.

I don't necessarily love to come on this show and break down headlines that feel very serious

every week and talk about them to the point where you almost get calloused to the whatever's

happening in somebody else's world, like I don't want to get there.

That's kind of my hope is as a society, as a as a viewership, as a listener base, we

don't get calloused to these things that are really affecting human lives and affecting

people and are hurting people in the process just because then, you know, obviously those

are the people that are finding the most success by getting on every reality television

show that's out there.

But that's like probably my old man like stance that most people would disagree with and

they're like, no, we love watching the messiness.

Well maybe our listeners should tell us if they want us to break down the episodes.

I would love for them to please tell us, we'll listen to you, but that's kind of my initial

thoughts on this whole thing.

Heather, always a pleasure to have you.

It's always a gift to have you.

Thanks for the work that you do behind the scenes to bring this to our listening ears.

We will continue to break down the last episode of Bachelor Mansion Reno, along with the

start of the row, I said bachelor, it's not the bachelor, it's very different actually.

The real housewives of Rhode Island, we will be breaking it down here in the almost

famous podcast with a very special host.

And don't forget, we're also breaking down Love Overboard, the new Gabby Wendy show with

the office.

Oh my goodness.

You guys are making me watch a lot of reality television these days.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that's great.

That's another Alex Cooper show, right?

That is.

That's produced by Alex Cooper.

And I will say we've done the first four episodes so far, and we're loving it.

It's actually a really, really good show.

It was my birthday week last week, so I was kind of out hanging out.

And so I'm diving back in to all the news, all the shows, all the things that are happening,

but I will say as much as you love Love Overboard, I am so excited to be breaking down the

real housewives of Rhode Island with this incredible get as a co-host that we have, actually

cannot be co-hosting those episodes for obvious reasons.

And we have an incredible co-host that I think is going to bring a piece to this show

that will make all of our listeners very happy.

We'll be announcing that soon on the very first breakdown of the real housewives of Rhode

Island.

So stay tuned, listen in, until next time, I've been Ben.

I've been Heather.

We'll talk to you soon.

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