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Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue react to the Bills trading for WR DJ Moore and discuss news from around the NFL including the latest in the DE Maxx Crosby sweepstakes, the growing interest in WR Alec Pierce, DE Cam Jordan possibly making it to free agency and more!
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welcome to NFL daily where we may just be addicted to podcasting I'm Greg Rosenthal I'm in my garage
I'm talking to Jordan Rodriguez across the city in her swanky new apartment what's up Jordan
didn't think we were going to do a show today but then DJ Morgan traded felt like we had to do a
show how are you doing in your new unit home I love it it's a disorganized mess right now and
Greg guys I think you know I love logistics and I love a plan so it's bothering me quite a bit
that I don't have an organized yet but one thing at a time we have to pod first you know this is
this is crucial information for the listeners are you kidding me the fact that you're you have working
internet your computer everything is set up just a couple days after moving in that is a that is a
victory so congratulations we live in different worlds Greg yes congratulations I decided after
we thought about skipping the show today we're not going to be in the studio but when this DJ
Moore trade happened we wanted to get it out there we do have a really great show that's going to
drop Friday morning where we play a game free agency matchmaker with Patrick and with Colleen
and I want everyone to check that one out we're gonna that's kind of a last free agency preview
we had some fun with that but this DJ Moore deal to me is really fascinating he's going to the
bills for a second round pick it's DJ Moore and a fifth round pick for a late second round pick
so that's the 60th overall pick in the draft DJ Moore is going to Buffalo and we've been talking
about man they could use a receiver since early last off season to the point that obviously
Brandon Bean got very upset about the local radio host talking about it conspiracy theorists believe
that's why they're not even on that network anymore they're bringing the radio in house they say no
that's not it but here he goes we had a feeling after we talked to him at the combine they're going
to do something at wide receiver I don't even know if this is it what do you think first before we
get into kind of the finances of just the trade compensation and the fit for DJ Moore well to me this
is a connective tissue sort of fit right this is Joe Brady who at one point for a very brief time
was the offensive coordinator of the Carolina Panthers in the now infamous Matt rule era and DJ Moore
had a couple of his best seasons if not his very best seasons when he was playing for Joe Brady
so it's clearly a player and coach match that the coach has a vision for with the player and the
other thing that came to my mind Greg when I thought about this was actually our conversation with
Brandon Bean that we had very brief conversation at the combine where he was he kept alluding to
how this was going to finally be the year that the bills go a little heavier in their personnel
so where I think for me I really envisioned and wanted a burner receiver for the bills in this
in this offense especially because we know the the type of deep ball that Josh Allen can throw and
what they could do with with an infusion of a pure speed to me this sort of points to maybe some
of those comments where a receiver who can really really block I know we haven't really seen him
you know put it put it into on tape in a little while but a receiver who can really really block
who is so tough after the catch we have seen that even with some up and down vibes in Chicago
a player who can sort of move fearlessly across the middle of the field this just feels to me like
if they're really going to load up with heavier personnel with these tight ends
he is a very complimentary receiver to that type of offense yeah and he is a big play receiver
you know you think of him catching underneath passes and being so good after the catch
but then of course he also caught a couple the you know the best plays in in bears history and
one of the best throws in Panther's history from PJ Walker and you know some stats are flying
around today of of like that the few amount of receivers that have you know this many big plays
and actually was surprised that DJ Moore was was on a list with with so many of the great players
in the league of of big plays and so that's the positive I think a DJ Moore and what you said in terms
of blocking and the potential and its success with Joe Brady that's all I think really important
and it makes me feel like we're gonna get a DJ Moore honeymoon season he does seem to be
the type of receiver and there's been there's always a couple of them throughout their careers
that they they bounce around a little and like the first year in the new place it's great you get
you get the best of them and then the second year there's a little bit of grumbling there's
the tape heads like our friend Ali and and I've noticed it too that that notice how unhappy
DJ Moore looks on a lot of routes maybe not giving the best effort and finishing his routes all
the time I mean it ended the bear season I actually was surprised about how many people pushed back
on the idea that like that it was wrong to criticize DJ Moore for not giving full effort on the
interception that ended the bear season it's like that's the that's the most thing you can be
critical about I think possible I know it's at the end of a long game all that stuff but considering
it's consistent with a lot that you've seen out at DJ Moore the last few years I think it's a
problem that said the good moments have been really great and he is young enough it's crazy when
you say you know you had some of his best seasons with Joe Brady that that's right it was like a
season in a quarter but yeah that near 1200 yard season with Joe Brady he was 23 years old back then
yeah he's still only turning 29 and so I do think he's gonna kind of be like a little bit like a
step on digs a little bit like a teo these different receivers who bounce bounced around and I
do think you're kind of gonna get the very best of DJ Moore in this season with a great quarterback
ready to compete after that and that and this is maybe where we can get into the contract that's
where I start to worry about a little bit long term for the bills well this is when the bills
are going to do exactly what the bears just did which is draft the player who is the younger
version of DJ Moore which again was the signal you know sent in April of that that this that he
was probably not going to be out with the bears long term despite the fact that they gave that
big contract to him a couple of years ago this a lot of times teams if they don't know
how to draft a certain archetype of player they will sign one in free agency a veteran in
free agency and they will spend the year studying that player and then applying those traits to
their scouting of new player or younger players who they do they are gonna draft and then keep
cheaply on a rookie contract it doesn't sound fair or nice but that is the way that the world
behind the scenes in the NFL work so I think that DJ Moore was obviously could have been a long
term you know franchise player for them they brought in a new coach and it didn't seem to quite
always mesh with Ben Johnson and DJ Moore are between the two of them and it became very clear very
quickly that they were basically going to try to find rookie contract version of DJ Moore and they
didn't Luther Burton I'm glad he brought up the bear side of thing because to me this is a if it's
not a home run you know it's like a double a ground rule double you don't even have to leg it out
or slide at second base like this is just like it could have even been a home run out you know a
win to get a second round pick to get what I thought was a little bit of an onerous contract
off the books the reality is you know DJ Moore's slide began before Ben Johnson showed up you're
right this season he only ends up with 682 yards last season he didn't top a thousand yards and
it was more it would that was more where I thought the effort and attitude and I know that Matt
Eberfluss team will get to him a little later in the show um you know there was a lot going on
right you're not there was a lot going on to be unhappy with but when you're one of the highest paid
players on the team you do want some leadership out of that position and so I think to get this much
back for him and get off the contract is great whereas on the flip side and this is a big part of it
I I went from being eh on the move for the bills like not loving it because it feels a little
desperate in thinking like you you almost are feeling like you have to make this move and you
have a lot of other moves to make but I get why they did it to not really liking it when you
looked at what they did contractually Drew Rosenhouse got them to guarantee 15 million dollars into
2028 as part of a restructure on this contract so what the restructure does Jordan is I know you
know this but for the the listeners you know it gives them some cap space for this year and it
also opens up cap space by the way for the bears this year which which is great uh I think 16
million dollars in cap savings for the bears uh but ultimately pushing that money out to the future
was what DJ Moore and Drew Rosenhouse got for the fact that okay we'll restructure the contract
now to help you out in the meantime but it's not like he's taking any less money here's what DJ
Moore is getting the next two years uh 23 and a half million dollars guaranteed each season a
really good contract plus 15 more in 2028 so you added all up I did the math I didn't see this
anywhere else 62 and a half guaranteed million dollars I I don't think DJ Moore is getting close
to that if he's like a free agent and that's sort of not how it's supposed to work when you make a
trade like the the open market's supposed to be better for you do you think DJ Moore for instance
would have like that big a market where you get 62 million dollars guaranteed into your three
no I don't think so but and I appreciate the thought exercise but that's just not what his reality
was going to be fair that's a good point if he was going to move teams it was going to be via trade
I know we were looking at this early even in the in the regular season uh how badly we wanted to
see him with the team like the 49ers for example um I think you'd be a good fit with like a dbo less
commanders at at this point but it is interesting like the bills I don't know that they've been in the
mix for receivers enough to it recently to read the market on receivers if if that makes sense they
they really haven't I mean they they were in who was now I'm now I'm forgetting who was the
receiver they said they were in on recently uh there was like reports that leaked out during the trade
there was someone your last year's trade deadline yeah I don't remember I'm forgetting but what
they ended up settling for was was Gabe Davis and ultimately like I do get you know from the
position of where they're at now it's Khalil Shakir it's DJ Moore and then after that they
still don't have much well they wanted to they wanted to bring in a one now this will also be kind
of a PR uh victory lap as well because everyone shuts up about them not having a one now this was
rightfully I think bills fans were rightfully complaining about this but I they're making him one
it whether or not he is or isn't one that's a whole separate discussion the contract says he is
to this team and so I think that especially if you look relative to the other contracts that
exists on this on this roster at receiver and the other players on this roster at receiver he he
may be the volume one as well and so whether you know that's what you're paying for it if you're the
bills and no I don't think he would have gotten that much were he a free agent but when you are
trading a play trading for a player you're basically saying um we like this player and and I think
the coach connection is huge here too I want to reiterate that I think that a new head coach
financial bump happens so frequently um we are just seeing it now with the bills in this case
Joe Brady who they've made very clear they are all in on just trying to maximize his offense
and pay big money to offensive players yeah and I and I like that and like I said I think it's
going to help Josh Allen out uh you know I do worry about like Josh Allen getting sick of him
at some point if he exhibits some of the some of the like lack of finishing the route. Can I
I also do want to push back on that just a little bit and I think that the the finishing plays
is a very valid by the way criticism because you could see that on his tape but I think people
forget and maybe we don't even really know the extent of just how dysfunctional that last
eager flu season was and then with all the the firings in the interim and and and then Caleb Williams
I think uh it's it's it is possible that two personalities just did not gel well together
between quarterback and receiver and I think that's an equal load to carry I don't think it just
because the receiver is the one that gets traded we can just put it all on his shoulders here uh
I will buy that my thing is if for the money that he makes and he's kind of making in between money
like a real one sort of rises above that and the thing that worried me this year is like
whenever you saw miscommunication this like so many of Caleb throws where the two guys were not
on the same page was DJ Moore and by by the numbers you know under 700 yards he clearly wasn't a
one this year he was one of four really good receivers that were kind of equal in different ways
and the bears have to be absolutely thrilled with how it worked out because they got a lot out of
DJ Moore and ultimately they they I think would rather have Luther Burton right now and I don't blame
them so uh really really fascinating uh for both teams and I do love the bit the bills are in
this really interesting space where Joe Brady is saying these are the new bills they're different they
are and I think there's something to that but also this is not a move like a brand new regime mix
it actually feels a little bit more of like uh trying to get over the hump a little bit of
desperation and over pain when we're we're kind of strapped and we have big needs interior
offensive line cornerback edge I might throw a linebacker in there and so we'll we'll grade
Brandon being at the end of this whole cycle because there's a lot more to do but he's not just
starting now I think he's having to make decisions based on how they've gotten to this point yeah I
don't think it is a crazy statement um to note that that I believe that they think they're under
quite a bit of pressure and now while the coach I'm sure has a long leash here because he just
was hired I don't think the two are attached together necessarily um but I think the coach is more
attached to the quarterback than anything else um I do think there's a sense of urgency in that building
and certainly a sense of urgency can lead to you making maybe splashier whether or not that's
the right adjective in this case uh splashier moves than perhaps you've done in the past and also
the fact that you've you're sort you were sort of embarrassed last year you said all these things
you know on the on the local radio station you know I know Brandon being for years uh
going back to Carolina and all of that and I know he's aware of of those things and you're not
just immune to like you don't just tune tune all of it out I think there's a little bit of a self
awareness happening there so uh yeah I think it's a combination of factors and we can't overlook
the human psyche and in all of this but certainly they had to make a big move they might have over
corrected financially a little bit um but they needed to go out and get a their guy guy and they
clearly think the DJ Moore is one. Totally agree and there's only so many that we're going to be
available and there is competition for it and I do think there was a market they are not giving I
I know in terms of like how much they had to give up with the contract that's where it got a little
crazy but I I fully believe that someone else was offering the third out there or else they didn't
had to go to it too so so good on Brandon being uh for trying it uh let's go for it uh just
sets up a fascinating rest of the period for them will Dawson Knox stay on the team I assume
they're going to cut Josh Palmer who's do a little bit of money Tyrell Shavers is like a good
four key on Coleman's not going anywhere because you're not going to get anything for him and uh
really yeah they really just handled that Terry Pagula. Yes um and I think that is a sneaky hard market
they they uh you know the they get the sabers there but weren't they're not happy with the Pagulas
they're not happy with the sabers and this is a team that's just been knocking on the door for a while
the natives like Eric Roberts are getting restless they want to win and uh we got to win by the way
Eric points out uh this is now two players off Bill Barnwell and I's trade list uh in the last
couple of days so we got we got many more to go hopefully but Trent McDuffy and uh now here's DJ
Moore uh we're trying to top the nine players off our list that actually got traded a year ago let's
take a break we're going to come back we just have a couple little items of news today's going to be
a quick one but some Max Crosby buzz when we get back
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let's talk max crossby and i know this is a weird thing to throw out because it comes from
tray wingo not a guy you normally see breaking news on twitter or but i it just was so intriguing
something it's a little red meat i wanted to get into he wrote things are moving fast uh about
max crossby last night and he writes this on thursday dallas thought they were close to a deal
but since then other teams have raised the ante and potentially are offering the raiders to first
round picks uh now dallas is expected to shift their focus to tray hendrickson now
tray wingo doesn't break a lot of news um but occasionally he's popped up with with some things
over the years and it's so rare that actually i i do give it some credence it's coming from
it's coming from somewhere how whatever the reason for this is to get out i find it interesting
even if wherever you think it is on the like 60 percent accurate to a hundred percent accurate
scale i like that the cowboys are really in on these edges like sped in big um i'm a little surprised
and i the thing i i would be a little surprised in terms of accuracy is like i'd be stunned if the
the raiders get too first for crossby in the end but we've kind of seen with mcduffy and certainly
parsons and some of these deals like we're seeing more picks than expected and like who could this
other team be i don't know but we're we're kind of on the the lookout right now and it does really
feel like this is going to be the offseason that the cowboys spend big whether it's crossby hendrickson
or so it is kind of also hilarious that they would be getting an edd rusher after i know right
just pretend just pretend none of that ever happened last year um yeah uh tray was on i think
the first go round of the air and rogers sweepstakes he was all over that so definitely some like
a lot of credibility here on this and then jane slater posted earlier today our palette and a
film network said on mass max crossby and the cowboys being at play here here is what i'm being told
from a team source she quotes a team source saying raiders are talking to a lot of people but we
would not give up to first rounders she says that's the situation now will that change i don't know
she said but i checked for those of you who are interested and i'm like that's my girl she's great
like i love the little flourish she adds at the end too she's like i know your you guys are all
fussing about this so i went ahead and checked like a high ranking team source because i'm jane
freaking slater yeah i somehow missed that and that does push the ball forward a little first of all
it's coming from two people and you you had imagined they're yeah both have some cowboy sources
obviously jane does it kind of indicates the cowboys are willing to give up a first
for max crossby if they're not willing to give up two first yeah that that was very specific to me
right so that makes me feel as we sit here Thursday afternoon that max crossby's going to get
traded but it just just like we've gone a little back and forth over the last week two weeks of like
whether i think this will happen or not but the fact that we're hearing other teams in this case
the cowboys but we'll see if anyone else is in the mix is like willing to give up at least one
first for him i just think it's a matter of negotiating what the price is going to be and i will
be fascinated and it it is really interesting too jordan you know how these markets work that
hendrickson and crossby it's like which one is gonna find a new team first it is hendrickson gonna
be kind of the backup price the max crossby is a team like the bucks who you know i i could see
hendrickson going to just ignoring the crossby of it all but just going right to like wanting to go
to free agency this crossby want to get moved before it's it's all very interesting and i think
look two of our best ed rushers the last five years are probably changing teams in the next five
days that's why it's the regular season the regular season yeah and to your point the agents are
probably waiting out these teams as long as they possibly can because they want to see they want
a really good read of what these markets are and and you know these teams are all kind of listening
to what each other is doing and it's basically who blinks first and throws in a second a first
in a second instead of a first and a third or a first and a fourth so that this is going to be
interesting to watch because yes i do believe that because the raiders perjain are being so chatty
right now in terms of assessing whether they can get this level of a hall a hall for him
it kind of feels like the haze in the barn on him i love it uh let's go through a couple of the
releases that have happened none of them were overly surprised and we mentioned earlier that the
Vikings were cutting jivon hargrave who was a big signing for them last off season they're now
cutting Jonathan alan who also was making around ten million ish dollars a year has had a great
career but he's getting cut and he also retweeted a fan who wrote about how in brine floor is a
system the defense of lineman don't don't get sacks or pressure which is true um and maybe
Jonathan alan didn't really enjoy his time in minnesota and the numbers don't look great the
stealers are releasing john who smith so pittsburg fans i think they're going to be you know unfortunately
for john who smith i think happy about that they kind of indicates maybe pat fryer mooth is not
going anywhere darnell mooney who had a good 2024 is going to be a free agent wasn't as good last
year but could kind of be a decent fourth receiver for someone out there and then i'll throw this one
to you jordan as a surprise there's just a lot of alec pierce spoke in the mix in new england right
now our silver lake friend alec pierce just everyone um everyone thinks alec pierce to the
patriots i i don't know where this came from or what or if it's his agent using the patriots who
kind of look like the team that's going to spend the most as on a wide receiver and they're trying
to use it as leverage or what but i'll tell you this at this point you know you got like the fastest
white receiver in the last i don't know how many years the patriots fans are going to be disappointed
if he's not on the team at this point they think he's already there and i'm like i still don't quite
expect i don't know i just think back to that one guy who i read into at joint practices that with
the heavy boston accent explaining the lore of white patriots receivers uh to his father and
efton chism was definitely absolutely going to become uh the next one and i was like i feel like
i'm listening to a moment in a fan culture here uh yeah that's why alec pierce would be nice it
would be changing the stereotype but only so much as uh as one of the biggest fastest receivers
in the league chism fit more of like the the profile but anyways i i don't know we'll see we'll see
you know you were i was laughing because um you mentioned john u smith and his imminent release and um
i was mean it our friend meena kimes uh has this great podcast um and she talks about reality tv
on it and uh it's with david denis as well and i don't watch a ton of reality tv but i needed
something to listen to that was light and like that i with people that i like listening to so i
picked that up that podcast and i feel like i don't even need to watch like episodes of love's
blind because they described them so well but i started watching for the first time totally enraged
by the season by the way we don't even need to get into it but the john u smith thing reminds me of
it's everything that arthor smith ever wanted and they finally they get to the altar and then
they're standing there facing each other and then there's the entirely cringe moment where he's
like you know what this ain't it which actually this is not i tried i mean they tried to make it work
there were some games where it felt like it was the all john u offense and it was it was not effective
i don't think it was john u's fault entirely but yeah they need these things can be complicated
Greg yeah i think they made the right decision to not say i do i quit love his blind the minnesota
season did it for me uh if you're a listener out there um i i haven't watched the last few seasons
i was like i gave it a good five six seasons i felt like that was enough maybe i'll get back into it
we'll see uh cam jordan speaking a saying i do um he he's making it very clear throughout him
shifter that uh he's gonna hit free agency for the first time in his career a little bit of a leverage
like hey he's not happy with what the saints are doing and i just bring him up to kind of say look
if a team if a player is this close to free agency man that price better be sky high for you
to get me to sign on the dotted line before monday and there will be some signings but man you're so
close uh to me the only reason that you would resign resign now but before getting to monday or
sunday whatever it it's gonna be is that you don't really think the market's out there for you so
something to watch there also i wanted to welcome back we teased it earlier matt ee refluse to the
NFL how about the new member of the raheem morris defense of staff in san francisco the flutes
is loose in the nfc west whatever did no question for you that was just more of a statement
yeah uh man i don't even really know what to say about it correct to be honest with you i was just
like what do you think you you know i did like a little loose to this whole nfc west thing it's
fun so i i cover a lot of um i cover a lot of like coaching cycle stuff as you know it over for the
athletic and one of the funniest things to me every year is watching everyone's titles change
and like how niche some of these titles get because they can't promote a guy any higher but they
have to give him a pay raise and the agent like wants a title a better title for the coach or
this one is this one cracked me up it was uh assistant uh assistant head coach on defense
if not even the assistant head coach it's just the assistant head coach to the regional manager
like there's another there might be another assistant coach on the team so that's why they couldn't
give it uh it's great uh last item is uh a player i like running back shuntucker uh was not
tendered by the box so just gonna keep an eye on him i know uh our friend jackson bevon
who hosts a great podcast cigar thoughts uh about the seahawks he's a big shuntucker guy and
thinks that would be a great fit for the seahawks and i do think that's the kind of running back they
might be going after i think he's intriguing for someone out there so i might i might have to add
him to my 101 that was charging into the offseason presented by apple card apply for apple card
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