Is LA becoming a public transit city?

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1:01but on a recent summer morning in the middle of a heatwave, I rode into work on the train, with LA's transportation correspondent Kavish Harjai. We met up at Union Station downtown. I didn't have a metro card, so he showed me how to buy one, and where to tap it. I did it. Okay. The original plan was to take public transit all the way from my apartment to LA's, but then... I carpooled with my fiance because I did look up what the route would be to get here be a public transit. It was so convoluted. I would have had to have walked like 15 minutes to the nearest bus stop. It's way too hot to like walk that far. I'm already sweating. When was the last time you took an LA metro train? I think it was 10 years ago at least. Before I move to the Midwest.

2:07This idea that public transit isn't convenient, it takes too long, or that we need cars in a place as big as Los Angeles. These are perceptions that a lot of Angeloos have had at one point or another. It's why we're famously considered a car city. But Kavish has a different take. Okay, but can we do you have a transportation subway hot take that you want to show you? Well, it's not hot as then it isn't a quick take, but my take is that Metro is expanding really fast. And so is it that we have to wait until that infrastructure is there for more people to use public transit or is it something that culturally can start happening now? Meaning that in order for LA to become less car dependence, we all just have to shift the way that we're thinking about public transit. The Olympics are coming to Los Angeles in 2028

3:13and pose a ticking clock. Two years before our public transit infrastructure will be put to the test by millions of tourists. So will LA be ready in time? How has Southern California's history shaped our transit culture? And how can we shift our relationship to public transit? That's today on imperfect paradise. I'm here in studio with LA's transportation correspondent Kavish Harjai. Hey, Kavish. Hi, Narita. So first of all, thank you for taking me on my first train ride in Los Angeles in about 10 years. And I'm not going to lie, I was a little embarrassed to admit that. I have to say I'm still not convinced that LA's car dependence is more of a question of culture than infrastructure. But before we get into that, I want to ask you about your relationship to public transit and just what is like getting around LA? Sure. So just going back a little bit, I started

4:16adulthood in New York and I live there for eight years. Obviously, I took the train there if not exclusively when I moved to Southern California. I came in with the perception that I think a lot of people have about LA, which is you need a car to live here. But then in late 2024, my friend started taking me on the train. And it was funny at that point, I had been so car-pilled that I was like, what do you mean we're going to get on the train? And I actually look back on that moment with a little bit of embarrassment for a few reasons, but mostly because the route we were going on was from downtown to Koreatown and vice versa. And the train is definitely the best way to do that route. I still do own a car, but I do minimize those trips. And since then, I've really incorporated the bus and the train a lot more into my daily habits. If I'm doing small trips around my neighborhood, I'll try to take like micro transit. And Kavish, I actually can relate to that because I also bought a car when I decided to move back to Southern California from Chicago, where I was

5:21living for several years. And when I lived there, I did ride the bus or the train every single day to work. But now that I'm back, I drive every single day. I feel like I can't live without one here. I don't live as close to public transit anymore. So it makes it really difficult. But I know, I know that there are some people who don't think it's possible at all. And I do not fall in that camp. I think I can do better. And Kavish, you talked to someone who totally lives a car-free life here in LA. Yeah, so I talked to Tamara Brown. She is a comedy writer and performer. She's been taking public transit in LA for over 20 years. She has to take public transit because she can't drive. She's legally blind. And she says, when she moved here, people were like, oh, you need a car in LA. I was like, I see buses on the street. Like, what the hell are you talking about? I remember thinking in my head, like, walked home going, if I have to memorize every single

6:25bus schedule in the city, I will do it. It's actually something she talks about in her comedy a lot. She made a whole one-woman show called Bus People. It's about LA Metro and the sort of folks you meet on the bus specifically. I mean, the thing that I'll say about LA public transit that I don't think anyone appreciates is that it exists. I coined the term Metro-splang. That's when people who never use LA public transit try to tell you how bad they think it is. That is something that sparked me wanting to do this show. I just kind of wanted to challenge the misconceptions about public transportation and make it seem something that's not so unattainable, something that is on the fringe. So what does Tamra think is holding Angelina's back from using more public transit? She thinks that, of course, there are a lot of things that could be improved, but she also thinks it's in part a mindset shift. Like, yes, we need to expand it. Yes,

7:29we need to approve it. Those things go without saying. But why are people not using the infrastructure that we have? If you ask somebody like, well, why don't you take the bus? Why don't you try taking public transportation? Because it's so inconvenient. It takes so long. You never know when it's going to come. It's like, okay, it can be inconvenient, sure. But you also complain all the time about traffic and you complain about parking and the expense of owning a car and things like that. Why are those inconveniences palatable to you? But this inconvenience is not. Coming up, a tale of two transit projects and what they've come to symbolize about LA's public transportation system plus the surprising history of transit in LA. Stay with us. Hey, if you're listening right now and you enjoy the show, take a second to follow

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10:37and another that I feel like has come to symbolize failure in a way. And those two projects are the D line and the LAX people mover. Let's start with the people mover. So Kavish, for those who don't know, can you explain how that's going to work? Sure. So the people mover is a train that is supposed to and hopefully will very soon help people move around the different terminals of LAX. Also help them get out of LAX, connecting them to public transit. Right now, of course, the process of going to and from the airport is very car centric. Right. For those of you who have not had the pleasure of flying out of LAX, Kavish, how would you describe that process now? There are a lot of words I probably can't say to describe that process. What I will say is that it's a mess. People are taking cars and ubers. They get stuck in the doom loop there. It adds a lot of stress to actually getting to your flight on time. I'm a big fan of the flyway bus. So shout out to the flyway bus. But you know,

11:39it's a little crazy that LA doesn't have a rail only connection to its biggest airport. Like, that's just not novel in other places. Right. Here, we still don't have it. So the people mover is supposed to make getting in and out of LAX easier. We'll have fewer cars going in and out. And that seems like a positive, right. But but the issue is that it hasn't actually opened yet. And it's been years, Kavish. So what is going on? There is no good place to start with the answer to this question. It was supposed to open in 2023. It's been delayed again and again. It is nearly done just in terms of like percentage construction completed. It's in the sort of testing phase right now as we're talking. The most recent development is that the contractor, which is a group of large engineering firms, has sued the city. And of course, we have the Olympics coming up, which kind of elevates the pressure here. And it does play into this idea that LA just can't get public transportation right,

12:42that it takes a long time to build here in LA. And so on the flip side, we have another transit project, one that I think is maybe a rare symbol of success. Welcome to the grand opening of section one of Metro's D-line extension. This is such an exciting moment in Los Angeles history. For those who don't know, tell us about the D-line extension project. And why was the completion of that first section such a big deal? Right. So there's a lot more to it than just the ride, the D T shirts, even though I think those are so iconic. The thing about the first section of the D is that it creates a rail connection between downtown LA through Miracle Mile and into Beverly Hills. This is obviously like a very traffic portion of the city, like driving around there during rush hours or even on the weekends can kind of be a nightmare. So having an alternative is really massive. And it's also a train that people have wanted to

13:43build for a long time. Right. And while the city has been celebrating the D-line, we also saw a lot of delays and setbacks there. Remind us a little bit about that. So large capital projects hardly really ever stick to the planned timeline and budget. The D-line wasn't an exception. The tunneling conditions were difficult since they had to bore through tar sands under Wilshire Boulevard. The opening was delayed by three years. It was originally scheduled to open in 2023. And there were hundreds of millions in in cost overruns. I should say also this is just the first part of the extension. There are three in total. And eventually the D-line will go from downtown LA all the way to Westwood. So even though the D-line is technically a successfully completed transit project in LA, I don't know that it's shifting the needle for people in terms of just viewing us as a public transit city. And on that note, Kavish take us back in time and talk about Southern California's

14:44history with public transit. Were we always a car city? So to answer that question, I went to the Metro library at Union Station. So it's just like fun to have you come back in there. I go here a lot for the Metro board meetings, but I've never made it beyond the third floor, which is where the board room is. So it was really exciting for me to take an elevator to the 54. This is an example of a traffic study in LA as early as 1915, right? Commissioned. So while there, I met Claire Kennedy. She's an archivist at Metro and Chris Salvano. He's the digital resources library in there. They had all these super interesting maps and photographs of LA's transit history there. And what our conversation showed me was that LA was not a car centered city at first. I usually remind people a lot of the freeways were built over old rail lines and streetcar lines. People tend to be shocked when they discover that there was over a thousand miles of rail in Los Angeles

15:48in 1910, 1920. LA started as a transit city and eventually became a car centered city. So I was at the Metro library for a few hours, but to do the quick consolidation of LA Metro's history documentation of streetcars go back to the 1870s. Well, in the beginning, there was the car, the big red car. They were mostly privately owned and weren't like, it wasn't like a like a network per se, like sort of how we think about transit systems now. Claire and Chris said it's generally accepted that the peak of the streetcar in LA was the early 1920s. That also coincided with when bus transit was introduced to LA. And the bus was mainly to fill the gaps between the red cars, which these were the streetcars that operated more like cross regionally and the yellow cars, which were more for like the smaller intra urban trips. While all this is happening, of course, cars come onto the scene in the 1910s, game popularity in

16:53the next decade. So then infrastructure like freeways starts to be built to accommodate the car boom. While this investment in like motor vehicle-related infrastructure is happening and increasing, investment in the upkeep of streetcars is decreasing. So they're falling into disrepair. Eventually by 1963 passenger service on the streetcar system ends, but you know, in the 1970s, there's sort of a resurgence in the interest in rail. Meaning the idea of rail started to make a comeback? Yes, and you'll never guess why. Actually, you will, and everyone will. It's a it's a it's a familiar reason for all Angelina's and it's traffic. I think there was public intrigue with the idea of rail returning. At that time, everyone, even in the 70s was just exhausted by the traffic, by the smog, and realized at that time that the suburban urban oasis that was envisioned by the city planners in the 1930s, and the intersection,

17:58stoplight-free expressways of the freeway visions were not the answer. In 1973, Tom Bradley is elected mayor of LA, and he makes rail a big part of his platform. We have four million automobiles on the streets of Greater Los Angeles today. The fact is that in 10 years, that number of automobiles will double and imagine what the problem will be then. We've got to get on with the matter of rapid transit. Fast forward a little bit in 1980, LA County voters passed Proposition A. That's a half-cent sales tax to benefit the transit system. And then the first line of the rail system that we know today opens in 1990, formerly known as the Blue Line, now the A-line.

19:05Since then, LA County voters have agreed to tax themselves again and again to build out the transit system. So now we have subways, several light rail lines, and a bus system that kind of serves as the backbone of the entire public transit system in Los Angeles. Coming up, can LA make good on its promise for a transit first 2028 Olympics and tips for the Metro Curious? Support for LAs comes from Pasadena Playhouse presenting the visit, a haunting, twisted and truly grotesque comedy starring Tony Award winner Jefferson Mays and Mad Men's Melinda Page Hamilton. When the richest woman in the world returns to her struggling hometown, she's ready and willing to rescue it from ruin on one condition. Experience the visit at Pasadena Playhouse

20:07beginning September 9th. Tickets are on sale now at PasadenaPlayhouse.org. Join the San Manuel Powell as it celebrates 30 years of bringing people together through native culture and tradition. This free three day gathering welcomes everyone to experience traditional Native American dancing, Southern California bird singing, drum groups, Indigenous arts, authentic food, and cultural traditions shared by native communities from across North America. Hosted by the Yaha Via Tom of San Manuel Nation, September 18th to the 20th, the San Manuel Powell has become a Southern California cultural icon. Learn more and plan your visit at socowpowell.com. Welcome back to Imperfect Paradise. I'm Nidei Zamorino here with LA's Transportation Correspondent Kaviche Harjai. As we mentioned in the beginning of the episode, the Olympics are coming to Los Angeles in 2028 and city officials like the mayor have promised a transit first approach.

21:11So we have two years to get it together before the system is put to test by millions of tourists. Kaviche, can you tell us about some of the public transportation projects that are in the works, like what is coming down the pipeline and when? I'll start with the temporary stuff, which is Metro has a plan to nearly double its bus fleet for the Olympics. It's similar to what LA did back in 1984 when we last had the Olympics here. There is a very large open question about whether the federal government will cough up the two billion dollars that Metro says it needs to enact its Olympics transportation plan. But there are also these legacy projects, things that will outlast the games that will help Angelino's well into the future. These include bus rapid transit projects along Vermont Avenue and North Hollywood to Pasadena. These are kind of like think light rail but buses so like dedicated bus lanes just sort of faster and more efficient than your usual city bus. And there's also the second and third sections of the D line extending it from downtown LA to Westwood.

22:15All of this stuff is scheduled to be complete before the Olympics. Wow, so it sounds like Metro is really growing. Yeah, that's right. And I talked to Josh Redivo. He's part of the transportation advocacy group streets for all. He says that LA actually has the fastest growing transit system in the country and he's pretty optimistic about it. We're kind of flipping LA's reputation. It's going to be a long time before we're competing with New York but everywhere else in America, we're on track to pass if we haven't already. Yeah, it's hard to get away from comparing ourselves to cities like New York or even Chicago, right? Because it's so common to use public transit there. You could ride the train in from the airport as we said earlier and you can't really do that here. There's a million reasons all these cities are different and a lot of those reasons impact how transit looks like or works in any of these places. We'll take New York City. New York City is a lot denser geographically smaller. It has a more defined sort of center of activity. Whereas LA is

23:19less dense. It's so massive geographically and has a lot of different hubs of activity, right? It's not like just downtown LA. There's so many places that people go for work for leisure, for living, right? There's just a lot of differences between these cities that affect how transit then ends up looking. But Josh actually thinks the D-line is going to change the game here in Los Angeles. We've been building our transit system for the last 20 years without building what is objectively the most important mind for the region. The D-line is the densest job and residential corridor, maybe on the west coast. I think in like five years, four years, like this conversation would feel really different, honestly. We're kind of chipping away at that. Just and then it's all going to happen at once. We're suddenly going to have this network connectivity and all of these different nodes are connected to each other conveniently. Kavish, I feel like we have been sort of implying throughout this episode that being a more public

24:21transit-oriented city is something that should be a goal. But I want you to lay it out for us, especially for folks who are clinging to our cars. Why is it something to strive for? So it's a lot less costly to move on public transportation. Just think of monthly car payments, insurance, upkeep, obviously reducing cars on the road is just better for the environment. And public transportation is just statistically a lot safer than driving. But in reporting this episode, I sort of came into this interesting idea and this is something that both Tamra, the comedian and also Josh, the transportation advocate, both Brano. And that's the social benefit of literally or figuratively rubbing shoulders with other Angelinos. I think it's really bad culturally when everyone's sitting in their own little glass bubble and driving around and they're not engaging or experiencing the place that they're in. I think a lot of

25:21people's experience in Los Angeles is like point A to point B and everything that happens in between is just kind of an inconvenience getting from those two places. Public transit puts you next to people that maybe you wouldn't normally interact with in your normal circle. And you sometimes get into an amazing conversation. You end up having some like philosophical life conversation or even just small interaction. Transit allows you to engage with the community and the people you're around. And it kind of forces you to do that for better and for worse. Yeah, I totally agree with that because I do feel like one of the things I miss the most about writing the train or the bus every day to work was just like interacting or being around people. And also when we rode the metro from Union Station in Pasadena, this is really cool to just see the city from a different angle that I hadn't really experienced before. But can we,

26:24do you feel like we got to the bottom of it? Like is making out a public transit city a matter of infrastructure or is it just about changing people's minds? What is clear obviously is that there is no public transportation without the infrastructure. You have to have the built environment for this all to work. And it goes way beyond the trains and buses themselves. There's this concept known as first and last mile. Basically people need a way to get to the bus and train stations. So for example, if there's not adequate bike infrastructure that people feel safe enough taking or the walk is too far, then you're not going to get people from their homes or offices to the transit stations, right? There's so many other things to schedule frequency and reliability are huge factors. If people don't see the incentive of taking public transit, they won't do it. There's also the perception of safety on the system and people have different tolerance levels for being comfortable in certain environments. And

27:27I don't know. All that being said, I hear people say things about LA not having public transportation like way too frequently. Obviously being a transportation reporter, I feel compelled to say something even if it's a very casual conversation at a bar and my friends next to me are like, oh, there he goes again. Anyways, I do think it's not just me. I think there are things like the right the DT shirts and there are even some like online influencers who are like showing daily trips on the system who are trying to combat the perception that it's a car or nothing at all in LA. And as a transportation expert, do you have any tips for people who maybe want to start taking public transit and just aren't sure where to start? The way I think about it is kind of like a meatless Monday or I guess in this case, transit Tuesday. Basically, if people are hesitant about public transit in LA, what I say is think about some of the places you like to go or that you frequently go to. Chances are there is a way to get to at least one of these places using a bus or train

28:31or both. And so then the ask then is maybe just try taking transit to that place once a week. I don't think anyone is suggesting you get rid of your car altogether. Do you have to figure out what makes sense for you? The region is massive. Sometimes you have crazy commutes. Ultimately, I think the more people take transit, the more they'll understand the limits of the system, but also they'll understand the opportunity it presents. Okay, so we made it to Pasadena to our illustrious studios. So, Nareta, do you think this is something you would do again? It is. Yeah, I liked it. And it felt so familiar. I think because I have that experience like taking the train on a daily basis when I lived in the Midwest, I just, I did feel intimidated at first because when you enter, I'm like, oh, I don't even know which machine to like get a ticket from, but now I have a tap card. So I'm going to load it with more money.

29:36Yay! Kavish, thank you so much for joining us and also for helping me navigate the metro. Any time, Nareta. Kavish Harjai is the transportation correspondent for LAISD. Special thanks to Mary Plummer, managing editor for Enterprise Reporting and Investigations. I'm your host, Nareta Moreno. Monica Bushman is our producer this episode. Natalie Chodnowski is our senior producer, Catherine Mailhouse is the executive producer of the show and our director of content development, engineering, mixing and original music by E. Scott Kelly. Imperfect Paradise is a production of LAIS studios. Hey, it's Austin Cross, your morning edition host here at LAISD. And if you're not starting your morning with LAISD, you're missing out. Morning edition covers everything happening around Southern

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