Is This The Outburst Era? $250K Celebrini Young Guns 1/1 Bounty Announced, Claims Against Whatnot, Confessions of a Card Dealer, Calls For More Player Safety & Personal Pickups

Today, are we officially in the outburst era?

Confessions of a car dealer returns.

What nots headed to arbitration and a whole lot more.

Welcome back, Depp.

So 378th of the Hockey Cards Gengso podcast

presented by our good friends,

Adapurdaq.

Just just just just now.

Now, collector feel feel.

Now, collector feel.

Baba Louis, Baba Louis.

Baba Louis, Baba Louis.

Yes.

Welcome to the Gengso.

Dry Mike.

Hello, happy family.

Hello, Philip.

Hello, Baba Louis.

How are we boys?

We're doing great.

Fantastic.

How are you doing, Josh?

Good.

It's Thursday, as I used to say, about 30 years ago.

Oh, my goodness.

You didn't say that.

Oh, my God.

I haven't heard that in a long time.

And then it turned in a throwback Thursday on Instagram.

I remember when I got that.

It used to be a big bar night.

Well, that was like 25 years ago.

But there is this place in Uptown here in the Twin Cities,

more Minneapolis called Williams Pub.

And they had a peanut bar.

So they had like a regular bar.

And then they had this basement bar where they had tons of peanuts.

I guess you couldn't go up yet.

A peanut allergy.

But you could go get all the peanuts you want.

And then people just threw their shells on the floor.

And then on Wednesdays, they would do two for ones.

And by the end of the night,

you're just caked in peanut shells.

I would have hated to have been like the staff there trying to clean up that mess.

Probably what?

Three in the morning on Thursday night.

I have a silly question in the Americas in the Minnesota,

the great state of Minnesota.

Are chicken wings a really big deal?

Yeah.

Yeah.

When I, so I'm 44, when I got my very first job, I was 15 years old.

I got a dishwasher and job at a local diner.

And chicken wings were 10 cents each.

Oh, and nobody, nobody ever ordered them.

And my boss would get so mad because they would turn in the fridge, right?

You don't want chickens, bad botulism the whole day.

Yeah.

So they would turn.

He would get so mad.

He'd be like, I can't stand the old school guy, real old school guy.

And he said when he worked in the industry,

they couldn't give them away for free to people at the bar.

And like just the evolution of the chicken wing has truly been incredible.

I, yeah.

Well, there you go.

Sure.

Louie, are you a fan of the chicken wing?

I got a question though.

The chicken wing now traditional bone in or a chicken nugget.

No, that's a chicken nugget.

That's not a chicken bone in bone in.

Okay.

I'm just checking in chicken wing at chicken nuggets are for your,

your play meals, something.

Yeah.

Now there are a good deal when there's 75 cents a piece.

Oh, they're like a dollar 50.

Yeah.

That's a great deal.

I'm going to move down there and get my groceries there.

Well, that's what I'm saying though.

Like at certain nights, like Thursday night at a restaurant in Apple Valley,

it's a special.

There's 75 cents a piece.

I don't think I could ever order them at a restaurant.

Like I, I mean, I grazed the line, right?

If I'm managing a restaurant for 19, for almost 20 years.

I'm eating free chicken wings all the time.

I don't, I just, I could never order that at a restaurant pay money for it.

I don't know.

Even though I've had a chicken wing since I've quit the industry.

I'm a little, I filled my quota, you know?

Okay.

Yeah.

Since you're sharing, I have to, I have a really funny, but quick story about my first

job at a restaurant.

Okay.

I worked at a Mexican place and they had these square bottles that they would use for all

the hot sauces and they had various hot, you know, from mild to pretty hot.

And I was the new guy.

I'm dish washing back there and they had a big commercial kitchen and an overhead sprayer

to where you'd spray and then wash and sanitize.

And the spray was very hot water.

I know there's a lot of steam, right?

The whole room was steam.

And so I take a bottle of the empty or almost empty hot sauce.

I spray the sprayer in there and learned how to make pepper spray.

And not only for me, like the entire kitchen was, was knocked out because all that, the,

the mist from the sprayer just wafted through the entire kitchen and literally everyone had

to leave the building.

A pungent aroma.

Yeah.

And they, uh, did they call you the F and G then, what?

F and G.

Okay.

Oh, something new guy.

Oh, yeah.

No, I think they were mad that they're like eyes were watering and they couldn't see.

Yeah.

And people weren't going to get their food.

Did you have a second shift?

Yeah.

Oh, for me, that mistake again.

And I, you had a nice box.

I peed for it more dearly than anyone else.

I was like legitimately pepper sprayed myself, so that's a punishment enough.

Yeah.

I'll tell you why.

I don't miss cleaning the grease traps as a dishwasher.

I'll tell you that.

No.

Well, fill up tomorrow night.

Another big show.

Friday nights with Phil.

What's going down?

Give us a great.

It's going to be great.

I think Victoria is going to join us.

I'm pretty sure Dave's going to beat.

Yeah.

Dave's going to be there.

We're going to have a good show.

I am 50, 50 on a guest.

Okay.

But the hockey is juicing up.

And the NHL is really really swelling, especially in the east.

It is breaking my brain, watching the standings every day.

And the loser points are being of my existence right now.

But if Detroit and Columbus could just drop a few here and there, that'd be fantastic.

Same with Boston.

Why is Boston winning?

Oh.

Okay.

Yeah.

Friday nights with Phil 9 p.m.

See you then.

It'll be good.

No giveaways.

All right.

You will not win anything.

You will not get nothing in like it.

Yeah.

Lastly, before we get a lot to get into.

So we're just going to do one more quick announcement.

A reminder that our show this show, the hockey cards going show podcast is a Patreon podcast.

What that means is we do rely on the support of the good listener and good watcher like

yourself to help us cover our show expenses.

Produce what we hope to be more and better hockey card content.

And then fun initiatives in the small way to grow the hobby.

You can support us for as little as $5 a month.

Be one of the first $999 supporters.

Get access to our discord, all the cool stuff we do there.

We have our show with expo mom meal behind the bench.

This week shows up doozy.

He his special guest was it's freaking Paulie.

It's freaking.

That's great.

All these great.

Paulie is amazing.

Yeah.

So great week to join to check that one out.

That's a can't miss show.

If you want to support us.

Just go to our website hockeycarsagonkshow.com.

Click on the become a patron link at the top of the page.

Or go to patreon directly.

P-A-T-R-E-O-N dot com and search for us at hockeycarsagonkshow.

There is a link in the show description.

Both YouTube and podcast apps and our Instagram and TikTok profiles too.

Okay.

They exalted the luxurious.

The cute Bob Louie.

What's a game plan?

The game plan is starting off with get to know your Hall of Famers.

Then it's is this the outburst era.

Hey hold on.

Louie.

Hold on a second.

Hello.

Oh my gosh.

I thought you were big time in me for a second.

Well, I'm recording a podcast.

Billy Silio from upper deck.

That's what I was.

That's what I was asking you.

I was asking people if I was wondering in my head if you recorded today.

I thought it was Thursday and real quick.

It is Thursday.

Your party on Friday.

Correct.

Oh, is this is this expo talk about, you know, maybe some plan that we have that we are

actually legitimately recording.

You're on the air.

Everybody.

There goes your ratings.

Yeah.

Hey Billy.

Phil says Phil says hi.

If you can just I will call you back in a little bit, Billy.

Lewis.

Okay.

Bye bye.

Sorry.

Whenever that calls, you got to pick up the phone.

Our own celebrity.

Yeah.

All right.

You guys start this over now.

All right.

So get to know your Hall of Famers.

After that, it's is this the outburst era.

We're going to be following that.

We'll get into some hobby news.

And then.

Oh boy.

It's.

Confessions of a card dealer.

He's back.

He's back.

He's back.

Then.

We got a couple more updates to the hockey release calendar to share.

And then.

Personal.

Pickups.

Thank you.

Have a Louis.

Let's get rolling with their get to know your Hall of Famers series.

It's where we're learning about the live times and hockey career for every single hockey

off end player.

Started with the very first Hall of Fame class of 1945.

And I've since been working our way to the present day.

Today, we start with the inductees from the class of 1971.

The year of Guy Laffler in the hobby film.

Guy Laffler.

Guy Laffler.

And Hall of Famer, we're going to learn some more about today is Busher Jackson.

You a big bush or guy fan.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I've never heard of him.

So I'm excited to learn more about him.

Alrighty.

Ralph Harvey.

Busher Jackson lived from 1911 until passing away at the age of 55 in 1966.

He was born and died in Toronto, Ontario.

Busher was left shot, played both left-wing and defense during his career.

And in a professional career that lasted from 1929 until 1944.

Jackson would play for three NHL teams, the Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Americans,

and Boston Bruins.

You were.

You knew.

You.

You work America.

New New York.

Oh, yeah.

I'm not going to.

I'm not going to fix it.

So I'm going to make fun of myself.

Okay.

Jackson was one time NHL scoring champion.

When a Stanley Cup with the Maple Leafs played in five NHL all-star games.

And in 666, 636.

I'm sorry.

Career games, he scored 241 goals, accumulated 437 points.

And in 71 career playoff games scored 18 goals and totaled 30 points.

Why should you care about Busher Jackson?

Well, he was born.

Ralph Harvey Jackson to Toronto in January 17, 1911 and grew up playing Shinny,

an outdoor rinks before his game started turning heads in organized hockey.

As a teenager, he starred with the Toronto Marbles and quickly built a reputation

as a powerful, aggressive winger who could score and play with an edge well beyond his age.

Are the Marbles still kind of like the bees knees of youth hockey today, Phil?

Is that whatever?

I don't believe in auto.

I don't.

I don't know.

I don't.

Thought you know.

No, I don't know.

I'm not sure.

I'm a former canada blazer.

In a current blazer.

In 1928, 19 and season.

He helped the Marbles win the Moral Cup.

Exploding offensively in junior and showing the kind of finishing touch that may Toronto

believe he's ready for the NHL almost immediately.

Jackson jumped to the Toronto Maple Leafs in 1929-30 at just 18 years old,

making him the youngest player in the NHL that season, a little briny.

In his NHL debut against Montreal, he famously knocked down his idol,

Maui Morens, and Morens reportedly told them, you'll do, which felt like early passing the torch.

That was a beautiful pep talk by Morens there.

You'll do them.

He got the nickname busher from Leafs train or Tim daily after pushing back when asked to carry sticks,

and the name followed him for the rest of his life.

Early in his Leafs career, he was placed with Joe Primo and Charlie Connaker,

and the three became the famous Kidline, one of the NHL's first great scoring trios.

Jackson's breakout years came fast, and by 1931-32, he led the NHL in scoring with 53 points,

becoming the youngest scoring champion in league history at the time.

That same 1931-32 season, he scored a career by 28 goals, earning first team All-Star honors,

and helped drive Toronto to the Stanley Cup.

In the 1932 Stanley Cup final against the Rangers, Jackson delivered huge offense as Toronto won the championship,

giving him the signature team achievement on an already fast rising resume.

Over the next several seasons, the Kidline remained the engine for the Leafs with Jackson finishing among Toronto's top scores year after year

while building a reputation as one of hockey's elite left-wingers.

On November 20th, 1934, Jackson scored four goals in one period against St. Louis,

becoming the first NHL player to ever pull off that feat.

He was recognized repeatedly by league, by the league earning five post-season All-Star selections overall,

including multiple first team nods during the best stretch of his career.

He also appeared in three early benefit All-Star games, including the 1934 Ace Bayley benefit game,

which is remembered as the very first NHL All-Star tilt.

Ace Bayley, you said?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, we did.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, we didn't do that.

You said it quick.

I was like, oh, I always think of the kiss guy.

Night's in Satan's service?

What's going on here?

Even as his on-ice production stayed strong during the 1930s, cracks were forming off the ice,

where Jackson became known for drinking, partying, spending freely, and living far beyond what was sustainable for the era.

By 1939, those off-ice issues had badly strained his standing in Toronto,

and the Maple Leafs traded one of their greatest stars to the New York Americans.

He played two seasons with the Americans and moved to Boston in 1942,

where he even spent time at defense when wartime roster issues forced the Bruins to improvise.

Jackson's finally strong push came in Boston in 1942-43 when he scored 19 goals in 34 points,

and helped the Bruins reach this down-the-cup final.

He retired after the 1943-44 season with 241 goals, 475 points, and 636 games,

totals that firmly placed him among the great stars of hockey's early generations.

After hockey, though, Jackson's life unraveled through alcoholism, financial problems, failed marriages, and declining health.

And those off-ice demons became the main reason he had to wait so long for a Hall of Fame recognition.

Cons might then others viewed his personal struggles as disqualifying.

So even though Primo Connicker got in, Jackson was kept out of the Hall of Fame until 1971,

five years after his 1966 death, when the rest of the committee finally overruled Smite and inducted him.

Well, I think I'm so conflicted constantly.

It's the Hall of Fame about the sport of hockey.

We're not asking for merits of character here, right?

But I don't want pieces of crappy humans to be associated with me.

I don't generally go to dive bars either and hang out with the folk.

You stupid.

Sure. Like if somebody turned into a mass murderer,

you wouldn't expect him probably to elect them to the Hall of Fame.

Like is Old P. Simpson in the NFL Hall of Fame?

Or he is, but I think he was inducted prior to all that stuff.

So they didn't kick him out.

Is that petty?

I don't know.

Has anyone ever been kicked out of a Hall of Fame?

That's a great question.

Interesting conversation I have, right?

Yeah.

Sound like this guy had a lot of demons though.

Well, he lived.

I mean, it sounds like maybe at the expense of some others,

but he definitely lived his life.

Okay, let's take a look at the busher Jackson hobby market.

His rookie cards appear in the 1933 gum sets, basically when hockey cards return a full effect.

So there's at least four 1933 rookies.

The first one to look at is the Hamilton gum.

And the PSA 7 pictured on YouTube is a highest public seller.

So for 1102 US dollars in June of 2021,

there's also a rookie card in the 1933 V252 Canadian gum set.

It's a PSA 6, a highest public seller.

So for 931 US in September 2016.

Every time I see these cards, I kind of get that warm fuzzy.

I really do think I like this set.

Hi, you should buy one.

They're very cozy.

Yeah, definitely.

Like like cozy movies.

Hocus Pocus.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think they're cool.

Then there's a night rookie in 1933 OPG series A.

The PSA 6 has the highest sellers.

They're with the red background.

There's all four background colors in 1933 OPG.

But this PSA 6, so for 984 US in January of 2024.

And then the last rookie is from the 1933 V129 anonymous set.

PSA 4.5.

Highest public seller.

So for 440 US dollars in October 2021.

There are a couple other playing days cards.

And I just pick one because I really do love the 1937 OPG series E set.

And this busher Jackson PSA 7 is the highest public selling copy selling for 965 US dollars in January of 2021.

And that boys is your hockey Hall of Famer Ralph busher Jackson.

Good job.

Interesting guy.

Yeah, well said.

Okay, our main topic today on our show has been brewing in my PSA's bird brain for about a year now.

And it's kind of it's one of these topics that keeps building and building to the point where I just hit like,

like, okay, I got a really kind of digging to the data.

And see, you know, what all this is adding up to.

What we're talking about are the young guns.

Well, not just the young guns, the flagship outburst parallels.

Oh, that were in.

I'm going to put this question out there for you and the hobby and the good listener.

Are we now in what maybe is the outburst era?

Definitely.

Yes.

Segment over.

But if you go back and do a little bit of history, they, these released in series one of 2023 with the new configuration of upper deck.

Right away, everyone noticed how, how nice they look and as, be honest, how incredible they are.

Yeah, I mean, most people, it's very subjective, but most people think that.

And then we started to notice that values were pretty high, especially on the golds.

But it seemed relegated to a couple of maybe richer, wealthy or just very aggressive collectors that were competing with each other.

And we had snickered for a while about how these collectors seem to be dueling for driving the prices up on the golds.

And I'm going to go through a number of examples, but it's kind of gotten to the point where I think it's gone beyond that.

And we're starting to see some crazy numbers, especially in the context of other hockey cards.

A couple of days ago, our good friend of the show Benjamin B sent me some recent examples again that more examples of what we had been talking about.

The last time we talked about parallels in the outburst red versus the high gloss.

And he sent me two sales.

So the most recent Michael Misa high gloss sold for less than the outburst red out of 25.

Yeah, nice and nice matter of time before that started happening.

I agree with it.

There's two and a half times a high gloss.

I'd pay more for red opus.

I just would.

Oh, I feel like a bad collector.

I just said that.

There's also been a Misa and Shafer young guns checklist.

Opus red that sold for 1300 US dollars, which is $320 more than the high gloss sold for the checklist.

Right.

And again, but beyond the young guns, though, when you really start to look into these outburst parallels where the impact really hit me is on the base cards.

Yeah.

Right.

So I picked a couple examples.

If you look at the 2324, the Jack Hughes base outburst red.

So the first year that they came out.

There's five outburst red sales for more money than any one of his high glosses has sold for.

Jack Hughes.

Yeah.

There's no way there's one on eBay for like a few grand, I think.

Not a young guns at the the 2023 base.

Base one.

So the five separate sales.

And kind of my point on the base is that.

And I don't know if I this had sunk in with me much to this point, but.

I think one of the things the incredible things the Alpers parallels have done.

Is it's made flagship base cards very relevant again.

Yes.

Well, I got to pause you.

Are you are you saying as a thing that it's surprising how a base card red sold more than for a high gloss base card?

Yeah.

Again.

I'm not surprised by that in the least.

Not base.

Yeah.

I agree with you.

On a base card.

I don't.

Yeah.

A base card doesn't look great.

If it's it.

There's no.

Cache.

And you know, I could.

Yeah.

I'm not surprised.

I think I think your comments are accurate.

Yes.

Well, I understand that too.

I mean, there's no comparison in my opinion as to how they look.

I'm happy and said, though, since 2005, the ultimate of young guns or a flat or a flagship card has been the high glass.

Like that's been the ball.

It's a game changer, man.

Total game changer.

Right.

And now to your point, the game, the game seems to be changing.

And I think that to make that.

We kind of sense right away when you just saw the designs that these that the young guns were going to be have very positive changes.

But I don't know if I could have ever predicted anything that would have made flagship base cards relevant in the hobby and sought after and people fighting for.

It's crazy.

It's awesome.

What a commitment.

I'm up to that.

Right.

Like this is so incredible.

Like this rejuvenated my batteries for another 10, 15 years.

You know, like, yeah.

Well, yeah.

Go ahead, Louis.

Billy can make all the vending machine cards he wants.

All the board.

All that goofy stuff.

He knocked it out of the park with these.

Oh, yeah.

Great.

Patrick ran slam.

Pick your, uh, what's basketball slam dunk?

I don't know.

So in.

I lost my train.

Oh, no.

I have a Sydney Crosby.

Red Opus base card from 2324 series one.

And it cost me $500.

And I was like, oh, I can't believe I'm paying this.

Blah, blah, blah.

I have not seen one sold for under a thousand in a long time.

And I'm very happy because.

Final show my how honest I am.

Because wow, not that it's, I'm super smart for thinking of this.

But Crosby's not going to have a lot of red opus out there.

He might only have.

Less than a hundred red opus for his entire career.

If he only does four years, right?

From 2324.

Yes, I'm good at math.

I know.

Or 125 if he plays five extra years.

So there are what other players, right?

Mick David.

He's only going to have 10, 11 years of red opus.

OV.

OV.

There you go.

Yeah.

Listen, you want to be an entrepreneur?

Go buy all the OV red opus.

That's what I would be doing.

As I looked further into this too, I thought a lot about the silver opus.

And maybe it's even a little bit underappreciated to this point.

So here's a couple of points of context for you guys.

You can't.

So the silver opus replaced the French parallel or the Eunice loops.

And you can't do a direct comparison because the last year of the French variation was in 2022.

And then 2023 that switched to the silver opus.

But I went back and I looked in card ladder.

Sales to date for 2022 young guns French is just over 4,000, 4,028.

The first year of young guns.

Silver.

There's been over 10,000 sales.

Wow.

So.

More than double almost three times the amount of people have sought after the young guns silver opus.

And then more on the theoretical side.

It got me thinking of people like me and I think you too as well that.

Have kind of moved away from collecting base young guns just because of knowing how many there are.

And then we typically like stuff a little more rare.

What a rejuvenation.

The silver opus parallel is for because it does have a really nice balance between.

If you really want one, you can probably find a way to go get one.

Yeah.

But it's not so common that you have to worry to a great degree that it's you're going to have 10,000 PSA 10 someday.

Like you do at the base young gun.

It's a great first.

It's a great first entry for a new collector or not a very financially successful collector.

To get into their favorite players or.

Like you could go find a silver opus of celiburini probably wouldn't do it right now.

But like let's say in a year or two for a very reasonable appropriate price that almost anybody could afford.

Right.

If you save your pennies a little bit maybe take a few months.

You can go get yourself a silver celebrity young gun.

Not right now and out of for a reasonable price in a couple years most likely.

I say pick your poison or not even.

That bad terminology there.

But just think when we're at shows diet, you know, and we go through dollar boxes or whatever price boxes.

Young guns constantly young gun, young gun, young gun.

You don't see boxes filled up with red and silver outbursts of players because no matter who it is, somebody wants to collect them.

And they suck them up.

Yeah.

The.

I don't know if you saw yesterday Phil and Louis seen it since you saw the picture but.

Getting back then now jumping from the silver back to the gold a little bit.

The the chase for the golds is.

I don't know where where this stops.

I have some theories on it.

But we had the retro.

Jack young gun or Jack Hughes retro young guns gold offers 101 sell for $18,185 US dollars.

Love it.

Love it there because there won't be a real one.

So I mean someone's got to get this.

Yep.

Yep.

So here's the thing about this sale.

It's the third highest public outburst sale of any kind of date.

Interestingly enough to two of the three.

And these are just public sales.

Are.

Retros the McDavid and Jack Hughes.

I have a red McDavid just letting you know.

I know.

I know.

I'm so happy.

I love it.

Very jealous.

So awesome.

Here's the wild thing though.

I don't know if you caught this part.

This sale is now the highest public selling Jack Hughes card ever.

No, it's not.

No cup of PA.

No, none of his shields.

Nothing has sold for more.

To date.

Then this gold outburst one of one parallel.

But why is the carpet red Todd?

I don't know.

No, Mark.

No, Mark.

No.

Crazy.

This is the highest.

Not even an RPA.

Not a shield.

Not a shield.

Not a shield.

I don't believe it.

That's nonsense.

Seanan contains immendence.

Scenennigan's.

Collusion.

We've got to start asking.

We got to make a roller decks here.

Oh, showing.

We have to make a contact list

and you can email them all.

You want to text it over?

No.

about that actually with with some about because that's one of the there's no way there's no way

this is the top no no no it's it's the top public sale but so but there could be private well

we just had a dominov for sell privately the Alper's gold sell for just under 80,000 Canadian so

again another big another big sale and and here's where it gets to my theory I'm not saying this

is going to happen but I'm also saying not saying it won't happen I think there's a chance that

the Alper's gold becomes the King Kong penultimate card for a player in all the hobby and I've

thought through this and I have some reasons why bigger than any cup card bigger than a shield the

ultimate shield and the reasons are that it's in flagship yes and I don't know personally if

I'll ever open a tin of the cup you've done it once right Phil you may never do it again

I know I'm going to open a lot of flagship and I think that the fact that the biggest home run

of these Alper's parallels is that they're it's an flagship product and that it's so accessible

now I know that certain releases with this outbreeding the box goes to 400 and nobody likes it

and but ours boxes go up and they go down but relatively they're less than $200 to be able to pull

a six-figure card in less than a $200 box is pretty freaking cool I think I think reason two is it's

the Young Guns brand that is the brand is synonymous with hockey cards and so not only is it an

amazing card it's a huge card it's under the the biggest brand and you know and then the third is

that they just look amazing which is about it I think that I can that's about as objective as I

can be about something totally subjective right is I'm sure there's people that don't like them

that think that they're ugly or dumb or gimmicky or whatnot but I would think 95 plus percent of

hobbyists are pretty jazzed about them is that fair yeah I'd say about 90 percent 9 out of 10

people think they're good I don't know with you with that's a big statement Joshi Poo I don't have

a strong opinion on the matter I'm just really grateful that they exist like four years ago three

years ago there this didn't exist at all you're you're you're you made such a good point with the

there's nothing been in flagship to really I don't know get super super excited other than Young

Guns or some odd insert or not even really an insert this is just rejuvenated the whole the whole

set and it's a big extended series the the red headed stepchild of the flagship releases where

you go back to well they put us to date in there now I think it should have kept us to date in

SP I yeah I do too but you go back to 2020 2021 at one point you could where we at the expo where

you could like buy a hobby box for like 30 bucks I mean they couldn't give them away and nobody

wanted to open them now in a few months we're gonna have series three with debut jersey patches

young guns acetates back at sanica young guns and all the opus parallels yeah that's that's

a juicy juicy flagship love it that's definitely a juicy proposition and then like the last thing I

think about too is like well how or what would this scenario be or what would the reasons be that

these opus parallels continue to gain more prominent prominence is I'm a little stuck on admittedly

the whole quality of autos from these kids these days and are people gonna want scribbles you and

everybody else you and everybody else and I things change I mean on a in a hundred years they could

be like well people a hundred years ago used to collect what was called a signature what's a

signature Mrs. Marbles like you know like you know it's not a bad thing it's it's it's I mean it's

it's not great but it's not bad it's okay I mean it's it's I used to be it's a right

of passage you ain't no man forgets under name while my signature sucks donkey pretty good so I

mean big deal and you got demanoff like with the red and the the color match there anyone with

the with the habs and I don't know I just don't I don't see this slowing down who know I and it shows

it shows not to toot the horn of a predict but well I'll give big praise where it deserves

maybe they realize that as well they're like we need to win here these kids aren't signing like like

if they if they never foresaw or never thought the autograph thing might be an issue like what if

they lost 30% sales in one year because people slowly into over 10 years because people slowly

just don't really aren't really interested in autographs anymore not that flagship has autographs but

I'm saying overall they would be like crap we should have addressed this 10 years ago I'm just saying

maybe they're they're really trying to hit home runs with no autos right now and the big focus

is on inserts and more card design because culture is changing in North America while internationally I

mean the world's the world's almost its own culture right we got small really quick so maybe they

like to sign more in Europe I don't know but I like how things seem to turn over it become you know

cyclical you know certain things are hot for a while and then they kind of go away and then

even older something else turns up and then that's hot for a while then I don't know are we still in

the outrageous shield price days or yeah I think so I you know those collectors are going to

think it's nonsense to think that a flagship parallel whatever you serve the prominence of an

NHL shield but that's you know it may be not make sure you leave your thoughts in the comment for

Josh how you disagree with him I'd love to read them but so yeah I'm just close to show it

you know sometimes the simplest things are the best things or one little printing technology can

change so much and which is fun right you want to that goes back to why we love Billy and we

love the folks that upper deck that are willing to break eggs and try and try new stuff I do have

some practical tips because flagship comes out three times a year and every to your point

feel earlier about a player like a Macklin celebrating 12 years from now is going to have 12 different

or more you know depending on what else upper deck does with the opus technology so I think the

rookie cards will always have the biggest premium but then beyond that if the player debuted before

2023 or after I from a base perspective logic I think would point to that the preference would be

on the first so that for players like Crosby or Vetchkin or McDavid or my ostomathews whoever may be

that those 2023's will but that's where I would try to hunt before you're buying the

sixth opus red parallel for that player yeah he's going to have in 12 years he's going to have

400 and 400 red opus right and 12 12 gold some retro's and teammates and by these so think

with 12 years Macklin celebrating will have over 400 red opus of just his base card yeah so they will

they will become abundant I think over well a decade's a long time that is a long time I mean it is

so you know maybe on the negative side when you're looking at the hobby we say we're in the

you can say we're in the junk variety era with all the parallels and on the positive side maybe

it's we're in the we're in the opus era right now we need junk variety a little bit I'm okay oh no

too many inserts like who gives a crap the the good ones will rise to the top the cream top thing you

say I'll vote some notions like I'll spend on the cream of the crop arise to the top now just throw

in a shimmery black out of ten and yeah I'm starting to think that parallel expansion would be a

bad idea that that don't do it no I don't do it no sorry I gotta disagree with you I do a black

outburst would be pretty snazzy do it maybe I'm like the 10th anniversary and what but I'm I'm

I also believe very strongly it has to be one in one out like deluxe yeah and that's that's

where I don't trust that's where I don't trust a big company that works really well when we made

lots of money we're not gonna do that again they're gonna do it again yeah man I don't know I don't

know I love it never what's next what's gonna be the next hot one wow maybe why

thought liquid gold is pretty cool there's that card and flea flare that's like some like wave

technology that could be my my best card I don't know if it counts but it's it's my gold outburst

one of one Marcel Dion from clear cut that's nicer than the red outburst in flagship that that

to me is the card where it's platinum that's a platinum well that gave clear cut like like a solid

chase card to where I know kind of clear cut had the the canvas autos that people have always

like the blue ink and the red ink but I think that those clear cut take it even a step further

and you know California Dave that could be the most valuable part of his collection because I know

he went deep into those yeah I mean highest risk highest reward I would think I mean if I was

loaded like stupid FU money I'd be buying pallets and pallets of clear cut and just having a blast

you know just ripping them open we just go to get everything rip them open and make stupid videos

all day long okay slap sharks is a controversial partner sponsor thankful for their support of our

show oh let's get back into the operas discussion because huge news from slap sharks as they announced

a $250,000 bounty and if you saw that on the Macklin celebrity young guns gold alpers 101

can I say something I jumped it when I saw that I was in my house and I had to go do some errands

later in the evening but when I saw that I I still had my phone reading my phone my body just

went and put it shoes on and I got my truck I even started it to go buy a box because I know

I know the boys down the street only have four boxes left so I'm like well obviously it's

in there I got to go buy all the four boxes I had to stop myself and say what are you doing you

will not go spend a lot of hours I just I almost spent two grand on bubble I mean unless I

hit it that'd be great but let's be honest right it's great oh the the brini mania has everybody

doing on the math we were at a card show this past weekend and they had some guy had a stack of

five or six of the retail tins oh yeah and I'm doing the math and he wanted like a hundred bucks

of us and I'm like okay so there's two and a half young guns and average and a 10 we're all

all doing guy middle aged mad dad Mathia yeah you were talking you were talking to that guy I

was gonna say something I forgot and because I kind of did a double take I'm like oh

hmm that gets yeah it it just gets yeah because you think you can outsmart some I got right out

of my truck real fast right it's a four hundred bucks a pop man oh yeah you sixteen hundred plus

tax over here it's no thank you and I think that the 250,000 is probably the floor that's

that's the setting I'm like pick hard double it up double it up but I want I want a home cook me

at your home I it was interesting to see and again the hobby I think evolves in good ways that

when you look at the slapsharks announcement for this bounty there's some definitive lessons

learned from our good friends at Dave and Adams who were sort of the guinea pigs on it like they

said an expiration date I think of I think it's October 1st 2026 and then they said and then

carren or whoever at slapsharks said that at that time we might increase it we might decrease it

we might not not continue to do it it'll depend on how things like the break his leg yeah oh yeah so

but I also think it's kind of interesting to continue this opera's conversation a teeny tiny bit more

that we're not really seeing other than grand pointing the bounty on the Gretzky shield

we're not seeing on rookie cards that it's the bounties have been on these outbursts and you know

maybe it is to drive flagship sales but the slapsharks doesn't sell flagship though and I think

I've been told that they just want the card like whoever there just wants it think a little bit

of recency bias maybe there's been I've there's been bounties on everything forever since that I

can remember flavor of the week I you could put it so easily as oh person really popular lately

and that's where the bounties are seeming to be you know maybe I don't know mostly

beyond that though the current slapsharks weekly ebay actions live ends tonight over 8,000 sports

cards to bid on will be live as well on the gong show youtube channel starting at 8 p.m. eastern time

we'd love for you to come hang out with us in the chat as we follow the key cards closing in

the auction and if you have not tried selling your cards on slapsharks yet we'd love for you to

consider giving them a shot it's awesome I've sold over 800 of my own cards since last summer

as a bond just way to buy more stuff and slapsharks has made it so easy all you have to do is fill

out the consignment form basically just write on you it's like some people think that they have

to list every card no you just say 50 cards 51 cards and you buy legit I legit wrote lots of cards

too many to count and I put exclamation mark I also said I'm sorry they listed every one of them

I hope you'll then got them you want to say ask for silver and to title

oh like I said you just felt the consignment form box them up and you're done couldn't be

easier plus of course the slapsharks weekly auction is the biggest hockey action there is with

thousands of collectors bidding each week and my recommendation if you haven't if you're

maybe on the fence or want to give it a shot is try 20 10 to 20 cards and try it and I'm pretty

confident that you'll be pleased with the results most people that submit to us once come back again

and again and again I think that's why they're the biggest auction is they get so many repeat

sellers on their platform so for complete consignment information including payout rates and to get

the process started today head to slapsharks.com habby news habby news habby news

have you guys seen the hubbub surrounding legal action and whatnot the last couple of days

no what heard it okay well there's been a lot out there a lot of content about it and kind of

wanted to run through it and start with terminology I remember when I was we working at a technical

I was we last working at no I was a young manager at a at a company a technology company and

our CTO used to always be on me about the right terminology and how important that is

and describing things accurately so I kind of have had that beat my brain and this applies

I think to the what not situation so a lot of people are out there and a lot of content people

are out there saying that what not's getting sued they're not oh no we just said they're getting

sued oh go ahead oh there's legal action against them and I have you guys ever heard of the

hobby lawyer guy Paul Lesco yeah yeah yeah yeah it seems like it's all been around forever yeah

and comments and chimes in and offers legal perspective well he's a litigator and has a law firm

and apparently since last summer he's been working with now upwards of 30 what not customers to

bring some claims against the what not platform the this they're not getting sued those that what

they're doing is that they're going into arbitration and whatnot because when you sign up for what

not and agree to all the terms and conditions that we always agree to but never read it they as part

of joining the platform you say you basically wave the right to sue them and then you have to go

to an arbitrator so now it's important to understand and I'm not a lawyer this is all my amateur

lawyers but to understand the difference between arbitration and a lawsuit

lawsuits happen in court with judges and these are funded by our government and as a result those

processes are public and so the information is public the the public has a right to know because

basically people are paying for the judges in the courtroom in the building and all that good stuff

arbitration is not settled by judges it's by private panels or arbiters or tribunals whatever you

want to call them and a lot of companies prefer that because arbitration is private meaning that if

claims and things come out through the arbitration process that whatnot maybe wouldn't want the

public to know that those are not in the public domain like a lawsuit would be in particular when

people sue big companies there's different advantages and disadvantages that you would have as a

consumer versus a company big companies like whatnot that had billions in revenue have lots of

money to pay lawyers the average Joe you know a good lawyer's 500 bucks an hour that adds up really

quick and you can get outspent a lot and that gives companies leverage what gives people leverage and

sometimes plaintiffs or whatever the term would be is in a lawsuit you can you can your

entitled to depositions if you guys know what those are not in the sense that you're speaking of

it's a where you can compel like an officer of the company like let's say maybe the CEO of what not

if it's agreed to an arbiter to answer your questions under oath oh oh yeah very rich people

don't want to answer open-ended questions from opposing lawyers under oath that's not and so

that so that compels companies to want to settle a lot to and as part of most legal settlements when

you're suing a company for monetary benefit or you're going to arbitration with a

company for monetary benefit a big part you know we'll give you x amount of dollars but in exchange

you have to sign an NDA and never ever ever talk about because we don't want our dirty laundry

aired publicly and so Lesco has gone on a number of hobby news and hobby channels youtube channels

to talk about this process and the claims that they are making against what not which basically

brought down to a couple things saying that that they don't have that basically the way that you do

breaks through randomization and a lot of the way the repacks are done that it's essentially gambling

and that what not doesn't have safeguards in place to like a gambling company or gambling site

would to protect consumers that maybe have addiction issues or other things like that and then like

even in the case of repacks in particular that he's citing that there's a California law that

specifically prohibits sports cards grab bags which he's saying falls under falls under repacks and so

that is that what is that what reloaded is a grab bag said oh we are to fall no I don't think so

I think that the more that I've kind of read about this and listen into it I feel much better

about reloaded because we do everything in the world to be transparent and there really is it's

just what box you get but all cards are known we don't package reloaded ourselves we have no idea

what card is in what box and that's very intentional on our end so Phil I think we're we're good

there now Lesco did say and on one youtube channel that I watched that the 30 claimants that they

represent have average losses on what not in the millions of dollars so when does someone step in

and say maybe you should stop going on what not I don't I have a very harsh yeah I mean that this

is a strong libertarian side to me that I've lifted in these I'll keep my opinions to myself on

the majority of this one issues issues too but but what Lesco is saying is that

like gambling sites have spending caps in them that they have the ability where you can basically

self ban yourself like you can go into I don't know like some gambling site and say don't ever let me

bid I have a I have a problem and that that that would somehow ban you and that what not doesn't

have these in place so are there real issues with what not maybe yeah you know are there things that

they could need to improve are they going to maybe settle and oh these claimants and money will

it cause them to make some changes that's entirely possible but but I think though and listen

we're content people we're guilty of it that we want to sensationalize stuff to get the views right

you know we're addicted to the views but the there's this notion initially that major lawsuit on

what not the company is going to die news flash billion dollar companies I don't know if there's

a single day of any year where they're not being sued or an arbitration with somebody right and

you have to let these processes play out and ultimately any company will act in its own self interest

and so if the governments now if the federal government was was suing what not because it feels

that it was violating laws I think that's a much bigger story here and you know here you have the

case of this policy I like and I enjoy his content he has a vested interest in promoting this

because he's the one who's getting paid bringing the action in order to get paid so it's to his

benefit to go on every YouTube show possible and talk about this in a way that you know from their

side of the fence so the 30 people is that a represent if you can explain is that a representation

of like the hobby or is that just if like if Paul comes out more in favor in an arbitration do

those 30 people get their money back from the breakers or whatnot or like where does the breaker

file or fall into this for personal well right now he said that they're going after whatnot but

they're not ruling outgoing after breakers and it seems like that they are because that's part

of this too is like what what is what not responsible for as a platform in ensuring versus what is

the responsibility of an individual breaker to do we get to know who those people are or no that's

private yeah I think all that's why companies want arbitration because they don't want any of

this any of this public Paul Paul Lesco he sued I'm pretty sure it was tops about redemption

10 years ago like in 2015 or 16 or so he's been around he's got a niche and it's smart you know

smart of him and obviously the as the hobby grows there's going to be more opportunity to for

he's a car chaser can ambulance chase me there's that aspect and and there's probably an aspect

to where people it's good that we have people like him to hold big companies accountable because

that's like from the consumer side of this that that is a a benefit of this process is it's whether

it's a lawsuit or an arbitration exists as a way for us to not just let a company like what not

run rough shot and do whatever they want it's like well how you're killing the tolerance it's

killing that tolerance for you know it's a that's just how it is you know where's the line for

like praying on so I'm not down for praying on addiction I'm not down for that but I do

lean towards we all are the masters of our own domains right so accountability is kind of not

been on the forefront of society for a while but I would like to think it's going to make a strong

comeback because that's how we'll succeed as a human species but anyways it's hard to juggle good

marketing versus praying on degenerates versus praying on addiction issues versus like that's a

I don't want to be a judge in any of this right like I think there's a very big gray area I don't

have the answer I I would like to see people lean more towards looking in the mirror I do feel

that is missing from the equation but I also feel that certain people I don't know if protected

is the right word or regulated I know those are scary words in our industry but I don't want to see

people lose their families because they can't control themselves but then the other side of me

says well dude you're going to lose your family if you don't control yourself right yeah I don't

have a I have one son I would love a big family I would know of yeah that will okay stop but I told

you that stuff private anyways I'm getting off here but what you're talking about though I think

is a great very fascinating thing to think about it's where does personal responsibility and

incorporate responsibility begin and you we can think of beyond sports cards or gambling even

let's say the three of us have a motorcycle company and we make a motorcycle that has the

capability to go 140 miles an hour and somebody drives at 140 miles an hour and dies is at our

fault because our motorcycle could go 140 miles an hour right or is this the exact same thing

exactly yeah or my heart says yes it's identical oh band by band motorcycles yeah that'll go over

or if we have a burger joint and if somebody ate our food three meals a day 365 days a year they

might have a heart attack because of the cholesterol in it is it are are we killing that person by

selling them burgers right I mean these are all very difficult sort of ethical questions to answer

but there is health regulations in food at the same time right like that one point there's

disclosures in food right so you have to tell people like this is yeah healthy our food isn't there

was a point where there was a point where there was public eateries that that owners were like wait a

minute you want me to tell the public what's in the stew no I'm not absolute my right not to they

don't have to order it I you know like that happened but I now that would be ridiculous dude I need

to know what's in the stew you know I don't know I don't have the answer but I don't really find

this interesting like I know we're talking a lot about it but I find this kind of stuff doesn't

interest me I'm not I love our repack that this is I like it when other people look crappy I'm like

good by our product it's great when you're not as a way to say too that they're not they're not

attacking breaking or repacks as a whole or purely what not in what they feel are that what not

isn't doing enough or isn't doing what should be required to create the environment of fairness

and health for for its customers I think that's probably the best way okay so sure yeah I just

there's a lot of sensationalization sense it gives people status listen it gives I unsubscribed to

a lot of channels there's a lot of people in our hobby not a lot like a small strong percentage

are unfulfilled and I think this makes them feel like they have status when they're hooting and

what do you say pitch fork nation right listen I'm if you're all about this I'm I'm not talking

about you I'm not trying to insult me one I just feel people I don't mean money I don't mean

financial status that's not what I'm talking about I mean status among their peers and colleagues

in their own little community wherever they live I think a lot of folks that comment on YouTube

channels or show a lot of rage and hate on tweets about what not and breakers are destroying the

hobby and I just don't think you have fulfillment in your life like it because things I don't know

things it can bother you and you don't have to you don't have to go to what not I've never logged in

I have no idea how to do what not or whatever that I it's okay I don't know I've always

struggled with the notion that and maybe this is my hang up I will acknowledge it

that whether it be a successful person or a company that when you become successful all of your

intentions are bad I mean it does not seem like the case right yeah hero villain right you don't

be a hero too long or you'll be the villain the more successfully get the more of an a whole yard and

yeah it's a it may maybe it's like people that are bitter about their own life so their own

lack of success and they feel like maybe the only way to become successful is to have poor morals

or cheat or I don't think that's ever top of mind I and I need I don't think when people

are arguing or that's a bad guy it's never top of mind I think people are just in their moment

and then maybe when you look back with your thoughts you're like oh I came off like that that's

not good you know verse and I'm not saying that there aren't successful people that are horrible

and that I mean that's I'm sure right there's every walk of life of people in any industry

but I do think that we need to make room mentally and are emotionally emotional intelligence-wise

to to realize that we are an industry that's rapidly changing evolving and growing up

and there's going to be hiccups along the way and to the you know to have the capabilities

of hiring like a Paul Lesco and his firm to take what not to arbitration can be a good thing

because that can help to create positive change too right and so it's not just because you're

making a claim against what not doesn't mean that you're just trying to that you're mad that you

lost $500,000 and you're just trying to get your money back either they're there probably are

some very legitimate issues that need to get fixed could what not just set a lot of court and say

listen we don't want to deal with this here's a few really well that that's kind of what an

arbitration is an arbitrator is like a panel that basically decides if you can but but it's not

like a judge where I present my case you present your case and then they decide an arbitrator here's

your case here's their case says hey I think you guys should that the other side's making a good

point and they try to encourage you to settle I mean that's the that their goal is to I hope what

kind of winner loser but to bring you to the middle could if what not feels strongly because they'd

be like no we're going to fight this too so nail because we don't want it to tooth and nail because

we don't want it to set a precedent is that possible possible but I'm going to say it all depends

like just what you say there's 30 people yeah well they're in doing stuff to try to to try to

combine cases to make it more what what not does is doing is what every company's doing fill

Louise that they're trying to they're trying to dictate exactly how conflict is resolved

and they wanted to be through arbitration because they don't if something bad or that they

were doing whether they were intentionally doing or not comes out they it's not to their

advantage for that to be public correct but like when you say they're doing it in 10 20 30 40 50

people that's putting a coordinated group together and in arbitration that you have to they would

have to hear each individual's yeah yeah so that's but that's why you want to go into it in a group

because you're forced to hear ever if there's 30 you're going to hear every single one of them

well you're banding together right you're you're against the men you're banding together but

you still have to you still have to hear each person it's not 30 people with the exact same thing they

have to be settled individually yeah yeah so well then we should sue somebody they'll settle with us

I'm going to sue coffee mate I got a bad batch a few weeks ago I'd like to settle well there is

the famous person that won one millions of dollars that's built the coffee on that list that was

in the 90s that that destroyed if I'm not going back in time to kill Dyson at Skynet I'm going

back in time to take that old lady out with the hot coffee that's it that that that that destroyed

that was the origin story of everything yeah the hot coffee right yeah well yeah I don't know

so I'm just listening to this one because there's too much that makes me want to

bottle water do you guys remember seeing I remember seeing bottled water for the first time

in my life at the corner store I couldn't stop laughing I was like 12 I was like 12 13 it's okay

you're right and you know that's we all have proclivities to kind of where in these instances where

we kind of immediately go to one perspective but the results of lawsuits have greatly benefited

people too you know we found out that cigarettes kill people and that's a good one kids shouldn't

smoke them there's many companies here in America that were literally dumping their waste in sewage

and chemicals into our rivers Aaron Brockovich I saw the movie yeah you know and that they they

were sued and so that there there are legitimate reasons why you know companies need to be held

accountable and this is an accountable process to do that sewage in a river buying in a card breaks

I'm just being a jerk no I'm just saying I'm just saying sewage in a river toxic avengers part seven

or or we kind of glossed over that when he was asked polesco was asked how much the clients have

lost and he said of the 30 the average average is in the millions of dollars so when you these are

not regular hobbyists well I then I would I would be looking in psychiatry like I would be looking

at therapist bills or I would have to rob a bank to lose millions of dollars on what not I have

no capability to lose millions of dollars on what I'd be digging hard how do you let yourself lose

millions of dollars like it's not like you made a bad business decision in eight years you opened

up a pizza place and you gave it you're all and didn't work it's not one of those things it's like

click click click crap click click click click crap yeah you're really I'm like it's a different thing

it's like so how are how are actual casinos not getting sued like I know we always joke like

but because they're because they're regulated and Brandon Helen Ching Ching Ching Ching

even have a button now you don't even have to pull the lever you can have atrophy and still gamble

I'm gonna I'm gonna sue the casino because there's not clocks in there I didn't know how long

I was sitting there and I spent too much and I couldn't see outside to know that it was

morning now and I probably should go to bed and stop so everything is contrary everything

everything no no there's a very specific answer for the casino thing casinos are regulated

which means that they were smart to get the government involved which means that they cut the

government in so okay that's okay just like I'll say it again when I was an elementary school

in high school all the ex gamblers and ex drug addicts and everything not drug addicts we'll

leave that out jokes all the ex gamblers and now gambling overnight in the snap of a finger

gambling's legal it's great let's advertise oh my god I went about all the after school specials

I was forced to watch what about the government is nowhere near innocent either if you want to talk

about the gambling go look into our state lotteries here in the United I don't know what it's

like in Canada but your McDonald's that's the biggest that's a biggest joke in the play now that

was fraud but our state monopoly thing no our state lotteries are really

advantage towards the government like the government makes a killing off of people on those it's not

well we got to pay off that nine billion so yeah well it's knocking into that okay

dude the federal budget should never matter to anyone I have no idea and I live a pretty good money

that's not yeah like it's not your budget you don't know the money just pay your taxes and see

so there's been more fallout boys from the Radco Gouda's hit that ended Austin Matthews 2526 season

I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing but I'm leaning towards good thing lots of players

have been chiming in the past couple of days and giving their input as to the how player safety issues

are handled what the disciplinary process is like for hits and one of those has been

Conor McDavid who said that players are feeling frustrated with the process and suggested that

the league needs to look at new ways of doling out suspensions here's what he had to say

I think the NHL's Department of Player Safety has done their best it's not an easy thing to do

you know what that being said I think there is a reason to take a look at how the whole process works

if every time there's a suspension everybody complains about it well why don't we look at the

process and figure out if there's a better way to make sure both parties are happy because it seems

like there's a lot of frustration out there then he continued he said I can't speak to

what changes to make I'm not an owner I'm not a GM I'm a player and I can say that from the player

perspective I think every time there's a suspension most of the times there's a lot of frustration

from the player side so why don't we take a look at the process and figure out a way that works

for everyone I actually think this is a good old McDavid for putting himself out there as the best

player in the NHL representing the players and kind of doing something a little bit on the leadership

side yeah that's good I don't know I don't know how the solution like do you have any thoughts on how

you would solve that I mean I have a few to piggyback on that though quick I'm really actually

digging the Kachak's podcast oh I've never watched it's actually it's actually really good and

the reason is they're not holding back oh that's good on it and they spent a good 10 minutes

mostly railing the Maple Leafs for not it seems that both Brady and Maddie T were pretty a

guest that that the Maple Leafs didn't do anything about it and had a lot of you know said basically

said who cares about even winning the game at that point when that happens you lose the game if

you have to to go out and support your teammate that that it's so much more important to the chemistry

and culture of the team from the long run that that you do that and so but again I think that they

are they're calling for changes as well and my thought on this is might not be popular especially

with you guys who tend to both you tend to maybe lean one way on these issues I think the NHL

has to do more to protect their stars in a way that I'm sorry and I know he's a good player and

he's the type of player of course everyone won on their team but nobody's buying a ticket to go see

Radco goodness play lots of people buy tickets to see how to map you and you know the NHL has

done the NFL I'm sorry has done a lot to protect quarterbacks for the for the same reason it's just

bad business and bad nobody wins when your star players are hurt and I understand that like the

spirit of competition and the you know we we don't want to like have like special color jerseys on

Sydney Crosby out there where nobody can hit them on the ice but when it comes to somebody that

is we generally think made a dirty hit and took a player out for a while to suspend Gouda's for

five games and have oscumat these be out for the whole season I think is there's an imbalance there

well I'm gonna just say I don't care who the player is if it's it doesn't matter no matter what

the offender did I think it needs to be the same throughout okay my heart agrees with you

but my head says it does matter does that mean that's where I know if it's a neon if it's if I

knee on knee Mick David and he's out or then I knee on knee pick whoever that you've never heard of

I should still be suspended the exact same 100 percent but but I'm saying more like the impact

like if the wild call up some age LR we've never heard about and Radco Gouda's does knee on knee

and he's out for the season we're like oh that sucks if it happens to krill Caprice off we go

apoplectic at at that point and and so there there there shouldn't be like in the in the kumbaya

nature of humanity right there shouldn't be a difference but I think there is I think here's

the problem right now the punishments are based on intent and in a court of law the charge depends

on intent and outcome if you shoot somebody in the leg on purpose that's aggravated assault

if you shoot somebody in the chest that's attempted murder well or if you shoot somebody in the

leg though and they you hit their femoral artery and they die it it is murder too and that you

make a root you brought up something really important so that I didn't know about this told

and you guys may have known that I just didn't the when the NHL does player suspensions

they don't factor in the outcome of the hit that's why I said what I said ding dong oh I don't know

if you mean that's what what that so the NHL right now they based their punishment based on intent

I think the NHL needs to base their punishment on intent and outcome I agree

yeah and then they also toss in that repeat offender thing and

well radical good is a repeat I mean he's got 10 years he didn't do anything but then double

whammy I listen for the record I the crossby thing whatever good it that's a hard hockey play I

don't even think crossby cash whatever it just doesn't none of it looks good right that

not with the I mean very Brian Marchments of him CGC is joined the fold of hobby companies

raising its prices boy raise the roof raise the roof the grading company that's really

merged I think in the sports cards industry more than any other in the past six months has just

announced a price increase effective March 24 so in a few days these changes will be an effect for

the U.S. for sure but bulk is being increased from $15 a card to $17 a card that comes with an

80 day turnaround in a max card value of 500 U.S. and then economy is being increased from $18

to $20 U.S. with 40 day expected turnaround and max value of a thousand U.S. so now we've

seen price increases from PSA ComC CGC and I'm sure other come hobby companies that I think

just had some sort of increase to their marketplace and I think they're all probably it's a combination

of them responding to a growing hobby market and taking advantage a little bit of some revenue

opportunities I'm sure but yeah so that's just PSA that is raising prices and the more I think about

this I'm more and more I think in the camp of I want a grading company to emerge that

has a repeatable approach that I don't care if it's expensive I don't care if it's 75 bucks a

card but if it's consistent and repeatable and it actually causes people to not just

grade anything and everything that's sitting around their house that that's what that's what I

want because you start to look at like in today's world where it costs more to eat end McDonald's

than it does to grade a card right we have these expectations right we send a card into CGC or PSA

that we're going to get the the the the the Oracle of grading the most knowledgeable sense say that

ever will you know will float down from their throne and use their 800 years of knowledge

and bestow the proper grade on our card but we're paying less than a happy meal to get these

graded and so there's a little bit of disconnect there for me in that too and it's like maybe we're

actually getting more repaying for I don't worry where are you getting your happy meals from I don't

buy happy meals okay when I traded my oh and I'm going to tell you what I traded I traded a

Brady Kuchuk green emerald autograph that I know what you had but it was in a CSG slab those if I

was working at CSG and I worked so hard to find a good supplier good staff good plastic they have

an excellent excellent product like if you put if you put another slab of another company beside

a see it like CSG is the best slab other than tag but I mean if you value don't snap the tag you

can just break it with your hands don't do that you'll cut your hands but CSG slab I think is the

best in the industry they must be so frustrated will PSA just breaking record numbers all the time

well did you see there was a the teapot guy from yeah but I didn't even finish the video I'm like

this is not this is I love how he did it and it's good for new people to see I so thousands of us

have our own experiences we didn't need to watch teapot's video every grader knows it it's not a

secret it's a game I just want to make sure to talk about the same thing because he did a new video

today oh no that where where where he took he took I think 14 or 15 CGC slabs okay and cross them over

to PSA ooh that's interesting none of them crop PSA crossed only none of them over for even the

equivalent great there is no doubt in my mind PSA is only heavy mandate not to give out easy

tens right now they're changing the culture of PSA for sure for sure well maybe that's a good

thing I don't know yeah I think a grading a card should be $100 like you said Josh Madigan

grading a card should be $100 like service for like like the value of that that's just $100 to pay

$100 but you should get a high-end professional consistent technical service for that even a phone

call we'll pay 150 and get a phone call from the grader could you imagine facetime with the

grader that would be pretty cool you're welcome grading companies there you go I'll pay a

I thought it maybe was on mute I've been you'd think the kid was having a dance party up there so I

keep it neat forget to turn it off um I'd pay a hundred bucks without any complaining or issues if

the grader just would also say what he found on the thing there's got to be a checklist you've

there was a issue here issue here I don't need the whole tag computerized thing just tell me what

you saw therefore I know why it got that great I'll pay a hundred bucks for that all day long

but the market probably doesn't want that what the market is obviously telling CGC and PSA and all

well so the only really two grading companies now but is that we want as cheap as possible grading

as fast as possible so that we can make money and it's so cool anywhere it's it's it's the

consortium too many new people have come in and they don't remember when there wasn't grading

yeah it's just it's it's not going away it's accepted it's okay

after a little hiatus boys speaking of not going away

okay we resume our Emmy never nominated series with sovand karmie I had a little fun uh gotta make

it look like him next time Louis I did it looks I think it looks like really okay yeah you just

can't see his hair I was gonna it's cool he's got beautiful hair well we're excited to resume

our series with our favorite french canadian hockey card dealer from a completely made a place

what he says is mongden but I don't think it exists so we hope you enjoy our latest installment

of confessions with sovand karmie

you hear that yeah I do I haven't heard those church bells

didn't know if they still worked a little dusty the rusty a little bit you could hear the rust

there you that's enough but welcome back to confessions of a card dealer with our most favorite

card dealer sovand karmie how did I join your name am I getting better over time or do I still

bargaining good no good because it's I know it's cute that I can't say any names but I will admit it's

embarrassing like when you're really good friends with someone and you feel like at even the

most basic human level you're not able to say their name so I'm very happy that I'm not

completely disrespecting your name anymore I'm just partially probably disrespecting it still

but for an american yeah it's really good for an american like the bars pretty low for

for anglophones and especially americans so yeah I've been called work my my name's you know when

I when I meet someone in english I'll say sovand you can call me Sylvan like I'll I'll give them

three or four ways to say it would be the easiest translation from an american um totally

or Sylvan yeah right would be depending on I think we're in the country well it's been a minute

since you've been on uh what happened did we lose you to pokemon where where have you been

no no you didn't lose me to pokemon uh with that said though slab shark submissions and grading

submissions have been you know 50% TCG easy these days uh it did help that slab sharks run a promo

90% pale promo and all graded pokemon cards in 2025 and I really took advantage of that where I'd

I'd set up at a TCG show or several TCG shows I'd set up at a TCG shop you know for for grading

and consignments so and now that the promo is over people you know still love the service and

you know they keep they keep submitting yeah well that I mean it makes sense right it's a world we

live in now it's uh I said it kind of glibly but that's a word that TCG's probably 500 times bigger

than hockey but I'm probably not wrong in that case it's uh everywhere and everywhere and so

it's probably smart to take advantage of that so I think the last time we had a confessions and you

confessed your hobby since there already you had told us this story of your uh start and stop

with hobby hub and nothing ventured nothing gained the life of an entrepreneur right every entrepreneur

has these stories so I think that's what I tried to encourage you at that time is that unfortunately

the road to success is normally paved and failure and that you wait the way I've always looked at it

is you either win or learn you never lose yep yep right and so you just had a learning experience

with with hobby hub and so what was the process of picking yourself back up from that and then

getting to where you're at now good question Josh like honestly I'm well I mean look it's going on

11 months now I think you know when it was one two three months in I was pretty damn low

and the silver lining was that it happened right after the Toronto Expo no early May

shows were slowing down had shows had shows been at the same pace they are now when this happened

I probably would have burnt out I'm lucky that I I was still taking submissions

but I had no funds to buy and sell uh and I was like can I jump in there real quick and because

without getting into the nitty-gritty details you had put a lot of money into hobby hub and that

money didn't make its way out when you were no longer involved correct correct yeah and I'm

still waiting for that so yeah yeah that's that's the whole other story but yes that's that's

exactly right and uh the point I was going to make is that I was lucky my schedule was you know I

went from going to show show show show show every weekend there's a lot of prep involved even though

my inventory wasn't super big there was a lot of prep involved I would meet customers at coffee

shops or at their homes you know for submissions but my schedule wasn't crazy busy I want to say

maybe 30 hours a week which was definitely livable but had it been my current schedule right now

I probably would have burnt out so to answer your question I basically I rested I rested and I

digested and every single day I'd go for like a 90-minute hike in the woods where I near where I

live I'd stop at the lake and I'd meditate for for 20 minutes and that really helped just reset

things and and separate from you know the uh the the disaster that was hobby hub but it had I not

been able to do that I don't know where I'd be I'd probably be burnt out and yeah well I think there's

a grieving period though that you go through or however you want to put it maybe feeling sorry

for yourself and I've told this story before but the gong show purely exists because I failed at a

startup too right and it's maddening it it's a crisis of confidence you question everything about

your ability your your worth can I do it can I you know it might just destined not to be successful

and what I did is allowed myself a period of being a poopy whiny butt right and then said okay

you can be a poopy whiny butt for a week and then you've got to pick yourself up and start doing

something did you have a similar thought process to that absolutely and my poopy whiny butt but

phase was like two and a half months so it was a little bit longer than yours you know probably

12 weeks 12x the the amount of time but I also I still had some work to do and you know I I

which kept me going my original the whole point of hobby hub was to be to have a physical drop-off

spot for customers for for submissions whether it's grading whether it's consignment whether it's

you know and now you know with with PCI it could be somewhere where someone comes and get a gets

a referral so and that's another thing during the summer I kind of plan and I was like what

what else can I offer and when you know when I remember people asking me about insurance years

ago I was like man it's just a matter of time until something there's a there's a service that

comes out that ensures collectibles and sure enough yeah I'm going to Ferrari and PCI and launch PCI

yeah and and we talked and you know I'm a referral like I'm a brand ambassador now and a referral

point for for insurance so that was basically the trajectory I was a whiny poopy baby butt whatever

you said it for for about a month and a half or two and a half months but I also I realized like

the demand was still there and I'm like look people are still nobody even noticed hobby hub came

and went because what had happened without getting too much into detail what happened is the original

vision the partnership was because of real estate was in the equation yeah but then that left

right as we launched so it you know it took a lot of steps back and I'm happy to say that I'm

working on renting an office that I should be set up this summer so that that original vision

is coming to play you're just showing it on your own yes exactly yeah and we had talked

plenty as you were going through the process and I think it's again we're not going to get

into details at all and because there's always two sides to this story or there is another party

with hobby hub and it's not fair to do that only hearing one side of this story but I think it is

worth pointing out to anyone listening that I'll just throw up my opinion first and you know

this because I told this to you at the time I'm not anti-partnership but I do believe very strongly

you have to be extremely careful and very thorough and it's kind of like a marriage getting

into a partnership you have to you know you don't want to marry a gal and then three months later

say hey let's have kids and she's like well wait a minute I don't everyone have kids you know

that's probably a bad time to find that out those are things you need to talk about beforehand

any sort of whether it be a hobby business or any business venture at all yeah you have to go

through almost and exhaust almost every point of contention or conflict resolution and have actually

processes in place for well how well like like let's say now in your new venture you want to

you have a new partner and you're picking an office location and somebody wants to rent an office

that's $20,000 a month and thinks that's the right thing to do and you want to rent the office

that's $1200 a month right what do you do how do you solve that right all that needs to be laid out

and including what I would in this probably would have been very beneficial in your case

when a partner exits the partnership either by force or by election that there is a process

and a formula in place to that's mutually agreed upon before the partnership commences that

lays out here's how here's how this gets done so that's just a long-winded way of saying you know

partnerships can be good and obviously the power of two can be greater than the power of one

but it's just really important that you do a lot of homework and put a lot of thought and

almost to for for my satisfaction to an exhausting degree yeah and I agree and if ever I

do partner up with someone again and I think your point is is very good especially like I think I

don't think I'll ever do a 50 50 partnership again now because I don't want like I want either

someone to make to have power to make all the decisions or I have the power to make all the decisions

that I don't want yeah I just don't want 50 50 and I remember you mentioning too like in a

partnership there needs to be an alpha nabeta and that's that's 100% true and with 50 50 partnerships

that's that's quite tricky so I completely agree the more time goes on the more grateful I am for

the lesson because next time if you know and they're likely will be some form of partnership in

my future I will know what to look out for I'll know where to dot my eyes across my T's and

yeah so I'm becoming more and more grateful for the experience and I'm happy it happened

early had it happened now or whatever I learned what I had to learn when I learned it yeah

yes like I said you win or you learn so that's the title of a book actually you win some

or you learn some yeah oh oh good yeah I probably maybe subconsciously took it from that

so how much like specific car dealing are you doing at this point or how have you pivoted

your approach as you pick yourself up and kicked off the dust and got back on the horse

right so in right before the Toronto expo so I hadn't I wasn't making deals at shows I was just

setting up for submissions and that too helped me focus on submissions and submissions is

80% of my income commission is you know 80% of my income was a big problem to be a car dealer you

have to have a stake in cash you have to and then when when you sort of lost that stake in your

prior business venture that it's like well you either have to you kind of have to start over

and build up that stake again is that exactly and the ironic thing is that I had been building up

that stake for four years and then I lost it in a month and a half so yes so it was it was a

foreign feeling to me to not have and I kept my my card money in it like I had my my income that

came in from from my job my card money was completely separate and I grinded it at that for for

four years paid my bills with my you know my salary but any money they came in that was card

related would get reinvested into the card account I would not touch that account I'd never paid

myself then when the time was right I just put that into the business and then and then it went

away so yes that that was the the biggest factor it was you know that money was gone and I was

doing cards full time now so you know things my my personal finances kind of got really messed up

because it was like okay I'm living on 100% commission I need to make sure I get enough

submissions to be able to eat it was you know and and this summer it I was able to survive but I

was I was surviving and that was it I there was no extra money that I could put into an account

to you know make card purchases I was I was only surviving so to answer your question about

how I got back into it is basically me and a friend we pulled money together it was modest like

10 grand it was 10 grand 10 grand 10 grand 10 grand doesn't sound that modest but when it's

to make profit on buying and selling cards 10 grand not that much so yeah yeah how do you

look at that then do you say because you don't want to buy like one eight thousand dollar card

that's probably a bad idea especially if that card goes down in value is it like really liquid young

guns that are ideally like in the two to four hundred dollar range that you can just turn over again

and again and again exactly that's exactly it and this was I want to say two weeks before the

November Expo so our deal was basically we pulled money together he put more than I did

so the split is you know the profit split is going to be 50-50 but he's carrying a bigger risk

he put in more more than I did like I said he put in like over 75% of what you know what I was

able to put in so and I got really really lucky like I bought seven celebrity young guns from a guy

plus one silver outburst for like I paid 110 for each celebrity and I think I paid 600 for the

outburst and that that was like 85% of what they were going for before the Expo I said I got lucky

I did sell five or four or five of them at 180 a piece I was happy to make you know 300 dollars

that's a huge point though right and I think that and you know this and you've said it before

more than anyone if you're in the whatever you want to call it card dealing flipping

by by low sell high you can't look at it like oh I sold this for 180 and now it's worth 400

because and you tell me if I'm wrong but if you held that mentality you're going to the long

hold you're going to lose 90% of the time and the losses are going to dwarf any Maclin celebrity

like we always kind of latch on to the one case where of course it went crazy and we completely

disregard the 40 other cases where you would have gotten slaughtered yep and I noticed because

of the Maclin celebrity explosion celebrity mania what I think you call it is a breeding

bananza or something yeah whatever yes breeding bananza people I've noticed people who sell to me

or want to trade are they worried about that like at the time like what what what this could be

worth yes and I tell them I'm like look it's okay if we don't make a deal but I think you might be

shooting yourself on the foot like celebrity was an outlier yes the kids special I kind of

it's too bad San Jose the game started 11 30 p.m. here I hadn't actually watched the kid play much

in 2025 at the beginning of the season I think had I been a little bit more savvy in in the San Jose

Sharks I might have been like okay this I might try holding on to this guy for a month or two

and that could have paid off but the good news is that I still have some of those out for grading

the silver outburst came back at psa 10 I sold it for $3,600 it's worth you know $5,500 now but I

I don't care I made I made $3,000 on that transaction and like within two weeks so

it's okay let's stick there for a minute so I just on like the base young guns you made a 64%

return on your money in two weeks buying at 110 and selling at 180 that is that is how you you

take the win that's how you make money consistently in long term as a car dealer it doesn't matter

what it's worth today because like I said it's nine times out of 10 you're going to get killed

on the long on the long hold 100% look at Patrick line A when you got I remember we talked about

I had a stack of Patrick line A's where I'm like well I'm into them for not so much I might as well

hang on to them like that's a different story than you know buying to flip something the

celebrities I bought them to flip Patrick line A they were part of a collection and he was already

low and it was low risk to hold them it's it's high risk to hold a lot of stuff but when you get

something for cheap and you're like oh might be an off chance that he pops as soon as he got

traded I I sold them but in part of me feels bad because it's like whoever I sold them to if he

held on to them he lost a lot of money or or think of to one of the your biggest wins in our confession

series and for OG listeners that would go back to it was your Zach Hyman last yes how do you held

on to that you would have got destroyed absolutely so like for the money that I made

just win ever in the hobby right yeah it was yeah and that celebrity deal might still be because

I still have three of them out for grading who knows what they'll come back they might be tens they

might you know actually I say three of them two of them were from that law one of them was

separate acquisition but if they're back tens that's five thousand dollars you know I don't I

don't know I don't know what they'll grade we'll see they they did look pretty good but who knows

these days so that could potentially be my biggest win hobby wise right after I acquired money

two weeks after I acquired those cards and then yeah it's it's possible it'll be my biggest win

depending on what they come back and I still left about three to four grand on the table by selling

the those right away and I do think though that like a slight hedge or hybrid approach might work

where like let's say you buy ten celebrity young guns and you can flip nine of them for a 64

percent profit in two weeks and you hold on to one or one PSA 10 or something like that as a little

bit of a long-term deal where you've already no matter what happens to that card if it goes down

you're still ahead on the deal and and again you know I think being a card dealer success or a

hobby shop or anyone in the hobby the it's about moot turning inventory over as fast as possible

like that's the only sustainable way to make money I can't imagine a hobby shop hobby shop hanging

on to 80 percent of their inventory hoping it goes up they need to keep the lights on they need to

pay their their staff you know so churn is very important in the dealer slash hobby shop world and

I think I wouldn't be surprised if an owner would maybe say okay I'm gonna sell this card to myself

because I think it might go up and then you know park that but the the money goes back into the

business I wouldn't mind starting to do that I think one part I say I got lucky there was luck

involved but I think I'm I'm also getting better at speculating but I think the stuff you need to

speculate on you do need to dish out quite a bit of money you know like I think right now Nathan

McKinnon oh my god I can't believe I wonder valued he is like if I if I could buy a couple future

watch out on PSA 10s I'd snag them up right now and I'd park that and I do want to eventually do

that but right now it's it's all about the churn but you also have to have a theory of like

what's gonna happen to change his circumstance right so if you're gonna do that is it that

they're a wagon this year and they could easily win the Stanley Cup and so it's having some sort

of theory that his market will or just as legacy will build or help another hundred point season

or maybe win a heart trophy again something something to that effect so from like a dealing

perspective as the brini bananza yeah has it just keeps getting bigger bigger and bigger

does it get a little scarier at this point to buy into McLean salad brini because now the money

is pretty big it does because I don't know where I heard this but it's like markets take longer

to react than you'd expect but it happens faster that you could imagine so I'm not saying he's

gonna completely tank the kids phenomenal like after watching the Olympics and and them being on

their east coast tour like I watched them play and I'm like my god he's good but there's also you

know when you had your top or your five reasons where the hobby could be affected I think also

right now with you know the turmoil that's going on in the world it's kind of a mess right now yes

yeah like a recession or just inflation again can happen and I think that also you know can play

play a big factor in how much money people are willing to spend in collectibles so right now it's

very bullish but everything's in cycles so and it happens like like I said it takes longer than

we realize to happen but when it does happen it happens faster than we expect so yes it's right

now if I if I get a good deal on a celebrity I'm I'm moving it right away and you talked about a

theory for Nathan McKinnon I think when when when OV was chasing his gold chase his PSA 10 young

guns was like nine to ten thousand dollars and Crosby was being ignored his his PSA 10 young guns

was three thousand dollars it didn't make sense and how that flipped this year a little bit and then

Crosby it did yes but his prices are still pretty strong and I think you know and I could be

completely wrong here but with McKinnon if he keeps playing the way he does he's already established

if something happens to Celebrini's market you mentioned the finite amount of money into the hobby

especially the hockey market like when and if Celebrini's steam dies off hobby wise people

are going to look for another guy and I think McKinnon could be the guy I'm guessing here but it

it makes sense you've always had a soft spot for McKinnon I have yeah well he's from Atlanta

Canada and yeah it's from Halifax right him and Crosby and yeah exactly exactly and I just I was

an abs fan when I was like very young when when when they moved over from Quebec I like Patrick

Wal to and I love Peter Forsberg and Joe Sackick so when McKinnon got drafted I was you know I

remember being pretty excited for the abs and he had a really good rookie year but then you

know it took him a while to get back to where people thought he would be apparently his young gun

was $20 back then which is insane to me yeah I know but yeah I do have a soft spot for him I

love watching in place one of my favorite players okay I'm gonna we're gonna come at this from a

card dealer perspective this is not a collecting perspective but I'm gonna rattle off some players

and you give me a rating like 1 to 10 how like liquid they are how solid of an immediate buy that

they are or like so a 10 would be instant buy one would be kind of a total stay away

sure for you at this point yeah I like this but dart but dart I'd say probably an eight

he like his prices have come down compared to earlier in the season they they shot up a bit when

he started and then he got hurt but they they'll move they'll move easy but they'll they just

move for cheaper than the beginning of the season how about Austin Matthews I actually

it's a good question I want to say maybe a six but I haven't

since I you know started this in November again restarted this I don't think I bought a single

Austin Matthews card for sold so it's hard for me to tell but I don't even see them at the show

was either yeah I barely see them here's an interesting one for a Canadian card dealer jack Hughes

oh well I I want to say maybe he used to be a 10 definitely used to be a 10 I want to say maybe a

7 now yeah yeah maybe a little stronger in the you if you're in the US yes yes a little bit because

he kind of represents sad times for yeah totally of the maple leaf okay 100% the David oh he's a 10

yeah it's the easy even if it's and I'm not in a space where people have deep pockets for cards

there are a couple whales out there but for the shows here locally especially yeah they're big like

four figure cards are hard to sell but when you haven't make David someone's gonna snatch it up

damn it off eight and a half okay teammate shimmy shakes I'd say about eight and a half to nine yet

wow so still pretty strong yeah perspective what about Matthew Schafer so I only had one show I have

three I sent to up to grading and I have one raw the first show I brought one raw I had a $400 sticker

on it and someone offered me 390 and moved right away and that was like two what are we two weeks

like a nine and a half or a 10 doesn't he yeah at this point right now he knows what the future holds but

what about my prices haven't died off like the supply like yeah usually a week or two after release

it will it will kind of taper off it that hasn't happened yet what about my car I'd say nine

okay what's a popular guy that you would stay away from right now that you that you can think of

that you would just be like somebody comes up to you even with a good card you're like I'm just not

buying this player right now good question okay okay well let me throw it's gonna give you some

because that kind of put you on the spot dry side or just announce he's up for the year oh yeah

yeah that's that's a that's a good point I'd probably like to flip I probably wouldn't buy him

but I think he might be decent to hold on to so yeah that that's a fair point and actually right

now celebrity scares me because the the reason someone comes up to me with a celebrity they're

gonna want top dollar and if I don't pay top dollar that I don't want to yes exactly someone else

another table will pay top dollar so if I did actually take one and not that long ago was part of

a trade and the the card I traded for I wasn't into it for that much so it made sense then but if

I'm paying cash right now they're going for five hundred dollars Canadian no one's gonna take an

offer under four fifty so do I pay four fifty to try to make fifty dollars quick hoping that you

have to move that super fat like same day ideally right yeah and that's a five hundred dollar

card is hardish to move here locally and a lot of people yes and a lot of people here are kicking

themselves it in get them for a hundred and ten dollars when he was the summer so they're kind of

they're saying away locally but yeah I could be wrong but I had a celebrity with a five hundred

dollar sticker on it for the last two three shows and it hasn't moved okay have another

player I want you to rate but give a buy rating on and be careful could hurt my feeling

haha croca presa oh that I want to say probably a nine right after nine yeah he moves super easy yeah

I there there are players that I like to collect and I appreciate their game and but I do kind of

that hybrid like if you go off like Jeremy Lee's hobby spectrum I take that hybrid approach like

I like city crowds be I appreciate his game I have spent for me good money on cards and I do hope

the value at least holds over time I made the decision because of his age and some of the other

factors where I I said I'm gonna my Capricot PC will purely be for the love so I'm only gonna buy

cards right that I'm comfortable losing and the entirety of my investment on and still happy to

own the cards and and actually for me because he's on my favorite team and he's my favorite player

I'm really glad I took that approach but the byproduct is I don't have a ton of very high-end

Capricot cards because I don't want to spend four thousand dollars on a rookie and then be mad

when it's worth twelve hundred bucks maybe right down down the road you don't want to spend

the money Troy spend on a psa 10 young guy no yeah another one for you but yeah I want to say

that can I add something about Capricot I think what helps his market of course he's a fantastic

player but I there there is a nostalgic an nostalgia effect here where when a player is a big chase

in a product like that nostalgia plays a factor oh like twenty twenty two the young guys

yes how that it was a huge chase and I'm not saying Lafayneur will ever explode hobby wise but if

if he starts going on a tear for three four years he's more likely to pop off as you know price-wise

than someone like I don't know uh bone biram or you know name it any other player that wasn't a

chase during that time I think chase players even if they'll die off if they go on a tear they're

more likely that chase people don't want to like definitely part of the multiplayer people don't

want to let go right because of what what could have been okay another one that's kind of

interesting that because Buffalo is kind of Canadian yeah yeah really American the Taj Thompson

where does he after the Olympics where does he land in your buy ratings right now good question

I haven't seen many Taj Thompson's come and go the tricky part with this quiz is that I've only been

doing this again for the last four months so my sample size is a little bit smaller but I haven't

seen many Taj Thompson's to be honest so it's hard to rate but if I if someone came to me at a

table I'd be interested in it I'd probably rank it as seven for myself and and is the lower like

in your mind the lower the ranking the better margin off of comps you have to get right and so

if somebody's a ten out of ten like a celebrity like you can and you you can plan on the quick

flip like that day or the day after it's like okay maybe I'll pay 85 90% but if somebody comes

with Taj Thompson you might need 80 75% on that kind of to make it that's exactly right a good deal for

you yeah 100% and there's probably what four or five players that kind of fit at any given point

that highest end ranking or justification for the top dollar yeah 100% like I'd rather I'd rather

make 50 dollars in a day because I spent 440 on a celebrity and sold it for 500 or 490 whatever

knowing I can move it like I said locally here it's a little tough but if I were in Toronto and

someone you know allow like offered to to sell me a celebrity for 440 and I and I know I'm at

the expo for four days yes I'll pay that and make 50 dollars and be happy with that 50 that almost

guaranteed 50 dollars versus buying a Taj Thompson at 90% Thompson not being sure if if it's going to

move yeah yeah there's one guy you didn't ask I'm surprised and oh I'd rank him in nine who

when a soda oh yeah I'd rank him higher than Jack Hughes his price is higher and his demands higher

absolutely I had one guy come up to me with a raw or sorry a PSA nine Quinn Hughes and a

Elias Patterson PSA 10 and like it had just been the Quinn Hughes I probably would have paid more

percentage wise but with the Patterson involved like I paid a little bit less because I'm like well

the Quinn I know I can move the Patterson I'm not sure yeah Patterson a good example of a stay

away or even at any deal you're just like because at some point like you don't want to offer 50% of

the card value to someone but then you're not confident at a higher percentage paid that you can

move that card and make money exactly and I mentioned this before if there's a show if I'm

if I have a certain card at three four shows I'll usually send whatever I have left over to

Slabshark so like a Patterson I think right now is like $75 a PSA 10 if it's close to the $50 range

you know there's that minus $3 it's 80% minus $3 like to auction off cards that are sub 50 bucks

so I play that into into my calculations to I'll factor that in so the Patterson I think like

I said it's about $75 I think I offered him 40 and he took it but there was a Quinn Hughes there

that made it that much more attractive if you were forced by the hockey gods

to invest $2,000 and it any Mexican cards but for one of these three players

that to sell at the Expo coming up at the end of April here to have the highest return

and I gave you three young players to choose Timmy Tantrums Timmy Stutzel

Wyatt Johnston who probably have 40 goals this year and Matt Boldy which of those

players had to pick one you have to you can only pick one Matt Boldy really yeah he moves pretty easy

to and yeah what do you think the reason is there

I think like actually Minnesota's market has been pretty strong you guys are the hockey state

their stuff moves pretty pretty well and since the since the Quinn Hughes I was worried

when Hughes's market might go down but it's actually gone up well he has something on the team has

been historic like yes if you look at their offensive metrics pre-quin PQ versus

AQ after Quinn yeah there's no comparison at all right yeah no that that makes that makes sense but

Boldy his market's still pretty strong as PS8 10 young guns are going pretty strong his raw

young guns were up to like $75 after the Olympic game there because he he did play like he had

the first goal and it was a nice goal and you know he's he's a really good player and I just think

the the market the Minnesota market plays a factor to his base young raw young guns went from

$75 to like maybe 40 so they did go down but his PS8 10 young guns seemed to like state strong

okay I want to play that game again because it was fun yeah I was going to give you

three other players now that you have $2,000 you can only invest in one so we're going to go

Nick Suzuki mm-hmm Jason Robertson or we talked about him in earlier taged Thompson

mix Suzuki is that because a little bit of the area you're in and yes and it's country and

this is the game is like if I had $2,000 today to sell it the expo or just in general

is the expo at the expo yeah yeah yeah still even a lot of Habs fan come to Toronto

Montreal's markets have been good because they've been winning games and you know they're in

the playoff spot and they've been pretty solid this year his market did go up quite a bit but

his stuff is really easy to move I answer your questions based on how easy something is to move

and not necessarily that's the what we talked about that's the key to making money is it has to be

there's lots of great cards in this hobby that are very valuable that are not easy to move and yeah

well I'll give you an example there was one trade at the Toronto expo that

there was a high-end minchikov in the equation he was giving me I and minchikov card and I

will had I not known good guy Eddie I wouldn't have taken that card like that deal wouldn't have

happened so I took the card I messaged him it right away and I said I have this card and he's

like yeah I'll take it so that's another thing is like it's not only how liquid the cards you take

are it's how many collectors of that player do you know and the more you know the better

yes yeah where some players have like cult followings that don't have mass appeal that other players do

I'll give you another example of this from my perspective so the cards that I love the most like

I'm an insert in parallel collector and I love Easter eggs and some of those can be very valuable

and I spend a lot of times because I'm dumb overcomes on what because I just want the cards of

my collection yeah the problem with Easter egg collecting is not a lot of people know about them

right so I can take my 2016 glow peachy Wayne Gretzky which is probably a thousand dollar U.S. card

graded I think it's a PSA 8 or 8.5 and I can take that around the expo and show it to 100 random

people and ask them if do you know what this card is and maybe four well that's not good

if you're a card dealer where I think that's why young guns moving and shaking is somewhat because

it has such a mass appeal understanding people get the value of it yes and I also think to your

point that's why cards like that are decent well there you either have to be okay it being in your

display for a long time because you know that one person at some point the right collector will be

like holy crap yes I'm looking for this year yes or you you put it on an

international platform like eBay you submit it to slab sharks like because people will like

some people will fight for it yeah okay I want to end our confessions today asking you actually

a little bit about slab sharks and so full disclosure here they are we're a partner of slab sharks

of course the sponsor of the show Sylvanne is a director in eastern Canada too so this is a very

biased line of questioning but we don't work for slab sharks directly and it does amaze me

how successful they become and we've we obviously benefit from that but if you had a guess like

why are they why have they built such a big business and like to your point you've told me

privately that your submissions just keep growing and growing and growing yeah well I think there

are a couple factors here the five guys the five partners at slab sharks are quite business savvy

another thing is they really they filled a hole in the market here in Canada there was no

proper consignment company here for Canadians if Canadians wanted to consign their stuff they had

the ship it to the states and the process was not super quick now expect them and and a lot of

hassle and a lot of fear and it's just something nobody likes to do exactly and another factor is

like the their loss leaders were brilliant like the Bedard 98% payout promo their TCG 90% payout

promo for graded TCG like they when I say business savvy this is this is what I'm talking about

just the growth you know the pace at which they grew their their footprint either just at the

expo or their office you know the the off up the office they have now feels like such a premium

experience when you're walking into drop something off and you know two years ago it was a different

experience you had to book an appointment and you know it it was still a good experience but not

the premium level that it is today and I think you know people keep trusting the brand more and more

it's also since we're in a bull market for the hobby there's just like it's a bit of a seller's

haven they keep breaking records with with certain you know sales and it's more and more and more

attractive I also think another big factor is speed if you give me a card this weekend your

card is going to be up this Thursday if you go to the office on Tuesday as long as I get the card

by Tuesday it'll be up that week and we're working on faster right here I don't want to I don't

want to take away no no no it is I bet if that's a the speed is is a huge importance and

to me one of the biggest factors has been that and we kind of talk about it all the time here on

the show but you just throw your cards in a box and fill out a consignment form like I've sold

somebody asked me in our mail big I've sold 800 cards in the past year of my own on slabsharks the

thought of going to the post office 800 times and actually 800 cards yeah I 100 percent I don't

want to like I mix you want to throw up like I hate that right I don't like selling I don't like

selling it's not fun to me too and I think some people do like like some people love the daily

routine of you know selling their four dollar card and putting it in cardboard and painters tape

in a bubble mailer and printing out the address and we're going to the post office not for me

pre-slabsharks I enjoyed it quite a bit and it was part of my routine right I go to the office

and on my way back to lunch I had a card that I drop off and it was on the way to and I did enjoy it

but but when when when I joined slabsharks when I started submitting I haven't sold a single card

on my own eBay and I joined them in January 2023 so it's been over three years since I sold a

card on eBay and I I have no desire to I mean enough gushing about slabsharks but yes but but

that that you know you ask that question and that's kind of where the reason I joined them early

where I approached them to join them was the main factor was they were filling a hole in the market

that I felt was absolutely needed but then I got to know them and saw their vision and I'm like okay

yeah I think I made the right move and then that's a big deal that I didn't understand before

this show that as a Canadian that the whole hobby is is lined up for Americans yes like you guys

got nothing really we don't have any here in slabsharks was there was kind of a big I mean it's

eBay Canada they're very proud Canadian business and now you have PSA that's opened their receiving

center there and so we're starting to see more hobby investment into Canada which which for

the hockey hobby is a really big deal absolutely and the TCG hobby in parallel because there are a lot

of TCG collectors here as well yeah I think every one of the TCG players makes so okay well we will

we won't let it go so long okay good luck thank you and I'm glad that you are humming again

I am yeah and you know just again to anyone if you're if you're in it right now if you're in the

bad spot allow yourself time to feel sorry for yourself that's okay but set a limit whatever you

think that it doesn't if it's a week or ten weeks it doesn't matter just as long as you get back

up and keep start moving again yeah and I do want to say thank you Josh for the advice you gave

me when I was in and baby poopy pants mode and last expo I had a couple of your listeners come up to

me and really tell me that they were rooting for me they're sorry it happened they had similar

experiences and to keep my chin up thank you for everyone who stopped by and gave me those words

because it made me feel less alone and it made me realize everybody goes through this everybody

goes through it right and we and we think that because that's how like our we're so fatalist

that's to some degree as human beings where especially too when you see other people succeeding

while you're failing yeah but even success some people you see some people succeed it could be

fake success too of course of course super easy to yeah and and then it and that comes down to

everyone's definition of success and the older I get the less that money is part of that

the less significance money has as part of that equation but but yeah so I agree you know very

proud to be your friend and you know let's look forward to talking to you again soon thank you

so much I know see you at the expo thanks again till Savannah from joining the show I think we'll

try to check in with them maybe every month or two going forward and see his progress or whatever

trouble he's gotten himself into now but I don't know do you guys listen Phil do you tune in I did

I listen I'm very proud of him with the beginning there was a little tough for him but he got

her figured out he got a little schmuckered in life but that's okay we all do we're all

schmuckered right now yeah I know he's got a good positive attitude excited to see what's going to

come yeah yeah got a lot going on he's he's learned a lot in the last year what's like I said you

either win or learn that in business those are the if you take that mindset then you can never

lose new product releases brought to you by a gp sport cards and their hobby shop total sport cards

you can order your new york rangers and tenio hobby tins great price 170 cad at total sport cards

dot com with that and any other hobby release remember grant and team can ship to anywhere in

Canada so you don't necessarily have to be in the gta and pick up your boxes in person also be

sure to get your spots for grants Friday night breaks at gp sport cards dot com always a great

lineup some reloaded still some left I think in his inventory so you can so much fun to watch

the boxes get open and finally if you need some cash for any reason grants always buying cards

and collections so hit them up at their shop or message gp sport cards on instagram not a ton

going on today new product releases we're in a little bit of a hiatus I did though get an update

from the good folks at upper deck about new products coming out and some additions to the

calendar so we had yesterday their rangers centennial hobby then the next release is 25 26 flare

flare which comes on in april 8th and I cannot wait for us to we're going to have a lot of fun

doing a deep dive into that as we get closer to the release date now next there's the national

announcement of national hockey card day which is april 11th it's my wife's birthday

oh and you can get your free packs at participating cdd shops in USA Canada I'm sure you're up to

at upper deck cdd's there's also some nine card sheets and the checklist for national hockey

card day is up right now on hockey checklist dot com so if you want to see all the cards that will

be in the promo packs this year you can check that out then on april 22nd we have 25 26 metal

universe which we already knew about but follow it a week after one of your products that you've

been bullish on fill credential 29 on april 29 25 26 that's not right sorry go ahead I don't

remember I was going to say you forgot already yeah easy yeah okay um that's expo right

yes the expo starts on the 30th so credentials will be the product out at the expo and we have

four or three major releases in flare flare metal and credentials on the month of April

are you I'm looking those are all products that I kind of like I would rank my order of excitement

in flare flare metal then credentials anyone want to challenge that no flare flare flare flare

credentials then metal I I'm really excited for credentials this year because if the design

is solid man every year it gets better and better and it's not a it's not a set you're going to

hit a big hit in come on it's a great box to open it's lots of fun really cool cards great inserts

the past releases I'm really excited to see this years yeah no I can't stand any of them I

had to tell Jason I hate every one of those well you want some boxes at the expo yeah we hate the cup

we hate cases actually we hate cases of the cup the yeah the worst is a whole case god I can't

open all that personal pickups fill anything to share yes sir big cards big cards I want big ready

buddy yeah ready ready okay so I don't know what this card is it's a 2017 upper deck Chinese Sydney

Crosby card from the China games it looks like it was in a magazine when I used to collect I don't

know some type of kids magazine or something like that well is it like where you take a tear off

perforation perforated yeah I don't know it was like 30 blocks way more like yeah but it is a card

it's not paper it is a card and I took a picture of the back yeah this one would have been in the

top left corner of that page okay yes yes for sure and yeah so I don't know what it says maybe

our Chinese listeners can let me know I don't know if that's Mandarin or Cantonese but it looks

in really good shape like the centering is good and right it's I call it a rough cut magazine rough

cut yeah where did he get this is this I don't know I don't remember oh man shocking shocking next

card okay so I got this someone reached out to me a little bit last year maybe you're in a

bit ago pretty much when this came out yeah they said I have a one-on-one do you want it I was like

nah and then they said oh it's too bad I really I like the comic kind of design and I said oh yeah

that's with Brady in the big bicep like I don't like the Crosby one or the I don't like the other

players but actually like this Brady I think I got this like 350 400 bucks and it's really one yeah

it's a one-on-one to flip her over there Louie yes sir thank you sir yeah see one-on-one oh nice

yeah I like how the it's the cool one-on-one too with the cursive in perfect cursive it's cool card

so I normally wouldn't buy this but I when it's a one-on-one and it's it's a gimmicky card but it's

great I I love it okay and then lastly I finally got a so I guess I'm officially a rule of

honor but our collector now because I have a few of his rookie cards and it's always been kind of a

whole hum uh journey with him but oh my god what celebrities cards skyrocketing have I don't

know if tanks says the word but I got this like so 1500 in trade I traded a green emerald Brady

cut chuck opc platinum auto I have three of them I don't need three of them I had one I also had

a Connor McDavid random clear cut auto sick card wicked card I bought it maybe six months ago seven

months ago Dave remembered right away oh that was your total impulse by on the Slabshark show

where yeah yeah you weren't even thinking and you just I believe I was kind of upset after I

wanted but good ridden sorry it worked out right it worked out so he the seller I'm sorry I forget

your name and we hook up every expo and I buy cards for me but he he was looking at the comms and

quite the relationship he could tell that I was you know a few hundred more in my favor I really

don't give a crap I recognize he's a dealer I'm not feeling bad I'm not a dealer apologist I'm just

you got to give in a little bit more than not to a dealer to get the card you really want I really

really wanted this card and we just did a deal straight up so I traded those two cards for this card

and I love it I'm a very big fan this crosses all the boxes of a perfect hockey card for me

and I'm a big fan and they're not that spam I mean they're they're only about a thousand American

right now but they're not common they don't come up often and I'll buy if I see a second one for

a thousand bucks I'll buy it in a heartbeat heartbeat it is that beautiful of a card and there's

not that many there's no printout but there's not many and McDavid also has one as well

if my memory serves me correct too it's the first on card auto for bedard in a black hockey

jersey oh I didn't know that I'm out again thank you checklist boy

no before we get to you joshy poo oh yes on yeah well on the back here it just it talks about

crossby and Malcolm Malcolm Malcolm Malcolm playing together if you wanted to know Phil

uh talking about crossby winning the consmouth playoff MVP two seasons in the row um

19 playoff assists finish second playoff scoring yeah Malcolm had 27 points blah blah blah blah blah

and at the very bottom bottom bottom like down here it's it says printed in china

does it talk about Phil's brother's food poison he's okay so it's a monthly event

the TNT near our house sure Ontario folks know what that means any cards for you

I'm still recovering okay I have four cards but kind of one card and I don't

complete many kind of like mini sets so this is sort of a fun one it's so and

tothetical though to my whole mission in life to hone in my collecting because I don't really

collect cocafield even though I like him but I'm a big fan of these z4s cards and so the first

years in 2324 actually think the 24 25s look a little better but I this is the first and I got all

four versions so there's the base z4s for cocafield then the rave which is out of 399 the super

rave out of 50 and then the trans rave which I think is the EPAC extracurate yeah that's out of 10

that's that's my best mood

shoes and and this is honestly it's like had I not had a four pay four card page top

loader binder I probably would have never done this but then of course my mind goes to you know

it would be a sweet page in my top loader binder this four pager yeah we should have a rave at

the chateau oh I got tons of tunes to bring for that I'll bring the drugs if you guys bring the pain

what's wrong it doesn't matter it's not a good song

do you like the episode please leave a rating review and apple spotify whatever podcast app you

listen to it's on if you love the show you want to support us want to chat with us on the

hockey cards gong show discord server please consider a five dollar month donation join our

to nine hundred ninety nine support levels you're in patreon link is in the show description or

Instagram tick-tock profiles on our website hockey cards gong show dot com or in patreon's website

p a t r o n dot com and search for us at hockey cards gong show we are social media bros

follows on instagram facebook tick-tock twitter and youtube and boys the hockey cards gong show

podcast is a production of dog bucks ventures LLC having on some weekend we will be back with you

on monday babalui you know what to do oh feel yeah jeffon oh yeah good bye

so let's go let's go one say i'm in and show so good