Is Ukraine winning the spy war? In conversation with ex-CIA chief

This week, Richard is in Ukraine, recording just hours after the country was hit with 500 drones from Russia. He is in Mykolaiv and brings Yalda up to speed with what the city is like, over two years into the conflict.

Yalda then takes Richard behind the scenes of her headline-making interview with the Russian ambassador to the UK who blamed Britain for the Operation 'Spiderweb' drone attack.

Then, they are joined by ex-CIA director John Brennan who was head of the spy organisation from 2013-2017. He was in post when the CIA began working with and training Ukrainians and he tells Richard and Yalda why he thinks Ukrainian spies are now some of the best in the world.

He also gives his take on Trump's peace plans, which he calls "naïve" and "unsophisticated".

The three of them also dissect the protests going on in LA.

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