Is Wisconsin in Trouble? Bulaga + Wilde on Packers Moves

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Boologga and Jason Wilde the doctor of football Brian good afternoon what we

doing we're doing fine how are you doing I'm fantastic you should not be

fantastic if I were you I'd be bothered why because the the former athletic

director Barry Alvarez who I believe should immediately be the interim

athletic director if he wants the job I don't know that he does I don't know how

old he is easy he's older than I am is he like he's like 80 anyway he suggested

Mark Touscher maybe as a athletic director and if I were you I'd go whoa he's

79 what about me what about Brian Boologga you didn't you weren't aware that he

suggested Mark Touscher as the new athletic director I think it was just

getting but I was not aware he mentioned yeah I know I know I know a lot of

people said Touch but I wasn't aware very I mean I I mean people said look

it I'm a fan of Touch but I think heads up that would be a good battle Brian

Boologga versus Mark Touscher athletic directors I'd be more than happy to have

you at Wisconsin I'm not sure if you were athletic director would it only be

at what Iowa could you live with being the if I'm the president at Wisconsin I

go Brian I know you played at Iowa I want you to be the athletic director at

Wisconsin would you be willing to take that job at Wisconsin even though you are

connected very strongly with Iowa yeah I mean I don't think that where I went

should be a factor of being a AD at school okay I don't know everybody's

different would you be willing to take a job as general manager of the Minnesota

Vikings even though you played for the Bears I think you would I think you would do

that yeah okay yeah I think you would do that it's all about what opportunity

presents right in right all the factors of a job but you would not hold and say

now I can't take that job I had an opportunity to take a job once but I knew it

meant firing someone and I said no I'm not I'm not taking the job if that's what

you got to do so well I understand I get that but for based on school

allegiance or where you would you would probably have made that same decision

you you I think you're overall standards in life are a little bit higher than mine

which I'm not bothered by it all but I can see there would be certain things

that you would say no I'm just I'm just not doing that I don't know what they are

but others might be and you'd be like no no not doing that I don't know what they

are but I'm sure there's something I don't know exactly what we need to have the

situation we have to be presented at the time yeah for me to but definitely being

an AD for another big 10 university would not be that's not off the table it's

never off the table now would I now would I get you know gardener the support

of alumni like a Towshoe and now would not I think that'd be difficult to do

right off the get you'd have to put out a winning product to gather more

support that they would yeah outsider so to speak you would have to have

something on your resume that would wow them to the world they would say I

don't care if you went to Iowa I don't care what he did I want this guy yeah exactly

you have to do something and obviously you know we know how the Wisconsin Iowa

thing is it have to be something really impressive yeah who's the guy at Iowa

State he was with he's at Wisconsin I know him he's like 61 I remember his name

is the he's the athletic director and I was dead off the look up this is

really terrible I should write this things down but what Jamie Pollard Jamie

Pollard yes I actually have met him I know him I think think how do you think

you know because I'm sure I'm mad at him I was I mean I know Barry Alvarez I

know Barry Alvarez better than anybody Barry Alvarez fired me no one knows

this he will deny it go on I was the host of the Barry Alvarez radio show was on

Mondays many many years ago probably like 19 oh when did they win the Rose Bowl

94 I believe 94 and then after a year or two he decided that he didn't want to do

it um he didn't say with me I wanted it on Monday he didn't want he decided

after a year and I mean I'm a big I mean I've said Barry Alvarez made Wisconsin

it's not the other way around like Hayden Fry made Iowa it's not the other way

around yeah now there was some success at Iowa but that's old testament you know

and and to the credit of Iowa they have taken what Hayden Fry did and and it's

achieved a certain level I would say not as high as Hayden Fry got it right

they were like number one of the country but it's the same way it was

Johnson it was nothing and there was no guarantee that ever be anything until

Barry Alvarez showed up and then you know hired and he did it as a D and they

hired pretty good coaches after it is as they have done at Iowa but I want to

tell Iowa there's no guarantee you're gonna stay good no no people look at

Alabama and how great they were with the Saban go back and see how they were

when they had a guy Shula is their head coach they were nothing there's no

guarantee Al McGuire made Marquette I do the Marquette games he went to the

final championship game twice in four years they haven't made one sense and

it's 50 years why because he made Marquette and they haven't had another

Al McGuire they've been much better and they've been good and had good

moments Dwayne Wade being but you know there's absolutely no guarantee that

when Kirk fairness leaves that the next person will be as good and if they

think they're gonna be good just because they're at Iowa not true not true

not true do you think Wisconsin's biggest I mean and obviously I you know this

was I don't know if it was controversial I bow and built my life you think that

was the start of the downfall I don't know because I think Chris did

pretty well and Belima I know Barry was upset because Belima didn't take him

tell him but if I have a chance to coach back then in Wisconsin or the SEC I'm

going to the SEC sorry now I I would probably have told Barry because I got

the job because of Barry you know where do you go to art he went to Arkansas yeah

was Arkansas a better program than Wisconsin yes man yes I believe Wisconsin

good Arkansas at that time every day and twice now people have you have to be

old enough to know the excellence of Arkansas Arkansas is like Oklahoma Frank

Rosad and yes I believe that you can win at that time you could win as well at

Arkansas as Wisconsin yes and that's a better it was a better conference back

then now I don't know so I'm sure he was upset about that but then is that when

they brought in Anderson and he won but it just didn't seem to work and then

Paul Christ got the job so all of which are the decisions this and then

Barry Alvarez hires Macintosh because he was his assistant he thought he would

do it well there's no guarantee you're gonna do it he picked the top available

coach in the country when he took Luke fickle the easiest decision ever if

fickle had been available maybe Jim Leonard would have got it I said at the

time I would take fickle over Leonard who could coach anywhere in the country

hasn't worked out so well no I don't know how much of that is the result of not

having money I think that's a huge part of it but there's no guarantee that

Luke fickle can win even with money but we'll get the for what I think is the

first look this year I do want to emphasize while I don't normally like to

admit I don't know diddly when it comes to this stuff I don't know ten times

diddly and every day you're on with me you probably get tired of all

homers gonna go talking about not knowing about who's getting the money

yeah hasn't changed yeah it's true I mean listen I guess now that more money

has come in right we don't know the exact amount or who's getting what or how

it's getting right to be done we don't know that but what's what is the I guess

grace period for fickle say it doesn't go well and he got more money this year

well we got more right I guess that I my understanding was bottom third in the

big tenor money now in the top third and this is first year so I would say

you're probably gonna get more than this year if they failed terribly this

year that means even with the money he can't pick the right kids I don't know

how much stores you here I never hear stores from people I know you you remember

that kid he's getting one point five million dollars and I go he's not that good

hey I never said he was good I'm just telling you I don't know do you I'm not

asking for names you got to hear stories from people or coaches are like this

guy it might be making this much money or or not yeah no I talked to guys at

a coach in college and especially the early days of NIO when it first hit they

would have a easy commit and the kid was maybe and again these are all the

star ranking so like it doesn't really mean much to be honest with you but

it's a two-star kid maybe head three or four offers they have the kid on a

nice NIO package about three days before signing day kid calls says hey I have

500 grand from this school and you guys up at the 600 and then we'll stay

committed it's just like yeah and this is before transfer portal opens this is

what I've claimed how it works yeah so then when they say if they say no the

person says I've entered the transfer portal if he Iowa does or any school

then he just stays committed to Iowa right yeah yeah and like and like that's

what's happening and it's not even with like the crumbella crumb players it is

everybody everybody everybody right you know what I wish you know what I wish I

wish you had a kid that was involved in this so do I because I can imagine how

you'd be as a parent like okay here's the number dial us up yes and then you

talk to your kid where would you like to go these are the numbers well and then

what do you think how much of a discount are you gonna my best friend is they

head coach at this school how much of a discount are we gonna give them I I think

Brian Beliga would be not much no not not too big I get a pretty good

education anywhere I want if I want to get an education correct that's all

these universities wrong it's all these universe yeah this all of these

universities you get a good education it's down to the dollar no it's down to

the dollar I'm but that's but that's what's happening like that's that's what's

happening and it's like that's why it's becoming so that's but also that's why

these guys are going into the transfer portal because they want the proven

commodity that a kid out of high school that's like a two-star recruit asking for

500 grand right and I think that I'm convinced I mean I'm not I'm convinced of

this the one thing they're gonna change is the transfer portal yeah because if

you're only allowed and I guess once where you can go immediately then where I

go I'm gonna have a different standard because I know this is it the next time

if I try to do it I got to sit out a year yep and I don't want to do that now

can they get that done I mean I guess I got to believe they can you have to

convince the players and the players representatives that I don't know if if I

were you or I had a son I don't want that I want to be able to transfer

every year I never know how it's gonna work out I would mean I could if I

didn't play well I can go somewhere else and play more I mean well it's

certainly it's it's it's the bargaining chip you have against school you're

willing to get more money it's your leverage and it allows other schools to

explore everyone yes exactly it's your leverage piece so like I don't know

how they're gonna get players to agree to it I don't know how they're gonna do

it I mean it they have to get some sort of government I don't know that I

don't understand this but yes they at the present who would agree to it why

would you however it seems to me and again I risk that you can say I mean they've

created it in the NFL they have a salary cap how do they do it well they said look

it you can go play somewhere else you don't do with the salary cap or whatever

we have then go play in the CFL go play right you can play other leagues I guess

at some point you could say fine you don't want to play NCAA footballer football

then fine go go play somewhere else right I mean you're now professionals

essentially yes so again I it just seems to me that if you could change one

thing that would change everything else to some degree this is it yep because

you're not getting rid of the money right the money's going nowhere so if there's

something you can change to reel it in a little bit that's what it is all right

now before we get to Jason Wilde it's not a difficulty but all the different

things that that people ask about will bootleg of this and will I get that and

and then you know like well what does he think about and I think my view on

Goody is he's been there a number of years Goody is just Goody I expect the

team to be good how do I like some things over others I don't know it's Goody so

I have a standard for the team that's going to be there and I think the

standards the team will be good but not good enough now he can prove me wrong

and they certainly made the big push on Micah Parsons but that kind of so not

good enough who's better Rams now Seattle San Francisco seems to be up there and

now I think the division I think the Bears are no longer in bears meant to

themselves so now you have one so it's so how are they going to do I don't know

I guess they're going to do pretty pretty well the belief last year that if the

guys hadn't got hurt they would have gone all the I just I can't that I can't

be sold by that because I haven't seen that yeah with this Goody and La

Floor now the best chance they had were the first couple years when they had

and we're a part of the great one of the great quarterbacks ever and they got

close yep so I yeah I probably need I'll leave it up to you I need to analyze

more but my analysis is you know like you would say about another player

privately he's good but not that good versus oh man just like I think anybody

said about Seattle the quarterback bailed them out in the one game where they

need a lot of points but damn that defenses tough I don't know the names of the

players no that's the problem yeah they're not old guys and so all right I'll let

you adjacent talking I'll shut up maybe next more of the Homer hour coming up next

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longer than I do I don't know if I'm am I in trouble for I don't think there's

any problem people knowing what Yingling is if you don't know what it is then

you're been no it's new here it is not new that should be the discount

liquor Twitter poll question is there anyone out there who doesn't know what

Yingling is or I don't know way to put this like did anybody know where what

coars was when they showed up all around the country after being only in all

right let's let's ask Brian Bologna Brian Bologna I know damn well you'd heard

a Yingling because you've been there at various times in Pennsylvania where

everybody drank that beer am I correct yeah very very familiar with England

yes very familiar and there's one other aspect to it I would like to ask Jason

it's good yeah it is good I've never heard anybody not like it Brian Bologna

ever run anybody who I mean they may not like as much as I like I've never heard

anybody say that that's not any good yeah I've never heard anyone like push

a can because it tastes bad yeah unlike red white and blue which I did is a kid

it's as a student at Wisconsin it was a perhaps lower brand worse beer I've

ever had my life thanks for clarifying that you were drinking in the third grade I

was underage I drank it legally at Wisconsin I was 17 when I got here first

thing I bought was two cases of humor beer for five bucks right at the sign that I

saw I don't remember what store you bought so you've always been cheap that's

good to know okay take it away doc I spent too much of you at the time that's good

oh that's that's true that's rich Jason there's there's there's absolutely zero

percent chance and I'm I'm pulling a homerism on this yeah you're going with it yes I

said oh my god this is my greatest day doing the Brian Bologna

homer only once you may never do it again yeah like this is this one all the I would

say hype or fake buzz about a trade for Dexter Lawrence there is a zero

percent chance of that taking place isn't there yeah again if I'm a

schooled homer I'm gonna scold you nothing is ever zero I'm at five percent I'm

I can't go lower than five but I still can't believe that they acquired

my comparisons so I never say never but you know first of all and look Adam

Schaefter is a thousand times better at this than I am maybe more I will say though

that teams are smart and agents are smart and obviously the giants are smart well maybe not

I mean Joe Schaeen his GM work maybe he's not that smart I think I might have called him

dumb yesterday and yesterday's edition of the homerole he's made questionable decisions and

this would be one more well set yeah that's so but the I would think that it behooves everyone

except the packers to be having different teams mentioned as interested or in the mix right

like if you're the giants you know and and you want to get it out there that hey well we've got

you know we got so many teams interested you tell Adam Schaefter well let's see we've talked

to the packers we've talked to team X team Y team Z and I'm not saying it's a lie like I'm sure

Goody is called and just said hey what do you guys think at price wise or you know can we can

we take another really good player away from you like we did with Xavier McKinney we still can't

believe you let him get out your door but I just there's a difference between inquiries and actually

being willing to make the trade and and you know Adam said the price is a second and a fifth

well I'm not convinced I'm not convinced that he's playing at that level I my understanding he's

not playing well last year I haven't broken down the film of him but I know I get the impression

otherwise he's under contract all he just wants is more money so you're you're basically saying

you know the packers would have to not only give up multiple picks when they don't have many to

begin with and then pay him the way they not to the same degree but the same way they'd have to

pay him like they paid Micah Parsons app to the trade like it just this makes about this makes

slightly more sense than this narrative that Diana Rossini put out there that the packers were

interested in uh Kirk cousins as their backup quarterback and again do I think it's possible

that you know Goody made a phone call does she know Kirk I don't I don't know I don't know

I don't know I want to apologize that was a cheap shot but it was too easy

all right go ahead I won't say anymore I never I never believed that they were going to do that

because they're not going to spend ten million dollars on an aging backup quarterback they

I'm telling you the the formula that they that they like is a reclamation project and believing

that they're coaching staff like they did with Malik Willis can get that guy to be better

and whether or not they're right about Desvin Ritter or Kyle McCord or whoever may end up being

you know we'll have to wait and see but I just that never made sense to me and neither does this

yeah I just look at it from a salary and a trade standpoint the cap we the packers don't have the

capital to do it and from a and from a financial standpoint from a financial standpoint I don't

know how you do that well and and to me the the reason why it's different than Kirk cousins by a tiny

little bit is that they do need help on the interior of the defensive line we would all agree on that

I guess my other question is if they're going to truly be a three four though like who's their nose

that's a great question like who do they have that can play nose like Polby wouldn't play

it last year when they'd be in those alignments and they traded him for Zaire Franklin you know

is a Nazir Stackhouse big enough or good enough to play that many snaps you know they brought back

Jonathan Ford who when they had him for two years never played a down for the packers then he

went to the bears for that period and then when they were really desperate for defensive line help

he had been released by the bears and they snatched him up like he's a big guy but is he any good

like if you have a good nose man you don't let that's another commodity you know Ted you

always say the good lord only made so many big guys and he was right so again I don't I ultimately

I don't know that this makes sense but it does on the one point of they are thin on the interior

the defensive line and he's an interior defensive line man that's about that's about as much as

the correlation that I would put to it but there's other things agree yep can I ask both of you when

I think of interior defensive line and that's one group that I think players can play as rookies

but I don't know that I've actually even studied it it's just as always there's that rotation there

is it am I accurate in that that's a what Brian is what Brian you answer that

yeah no yeah no I think I think rookies can be very successful on the interior part of the

defensive line I think especially what because like you said they rotate heavily

um and depending on what scheme you're playing yeah I mean just like Jason mentioned nose tackle

nose tackles aren't in they're not three down players first down they get out of a certain

personnel grouping personnel group on defense changes they're out like it really all depends on

um you know the way the game's going are you playing a run heavy team replay to pass heavy team

and and so yeah I think a rookie can be very successful even at the three tech as well we've seen a

bunch of examples of that and all those guys were studs like you're looking at the Aaron

Donald's and Gerald McCoy's and Seuss and guys like that but it's more than possible to be done

like that interior players as rookies can be very very good and contribute a ton

yeah PJ Roger did it the year before you arrived yep exactly and he was pretty good

yeah he was not bad bigger fella Jason what um are they done with all their visits now or they

bringing I mean I don't know if the information's accurate but are they bringing in guys that are

more second round pick guys that are projected second round pick guys that they're speaking to

now is did I read that right or see that right or am I way off yeah maybe no I don't think

you're way off I mean I I also think they're still doing the same thing that they've done in the

past where they you know bring in guys that are day three guys some of them even you know

seventh round guys are undrafted free agent guys like you know um they obviously brought in golden

but a lot of times uh in past years they've brought in guys they didn't bring anybody that was

actually someone that they took in the first round like golden was actually kind of an exception

I can't remember if they brought in Jordan Morgan or not I know they brought an edger and Cooper a

couple years ago um but like a lot of times it's it's almost to get a leg up on guys that you know

you're you're kind of on day three and you're trying to figure out who you really like or who's

left that you like I should say and so they they they use those those visits I think differently

than a lot of teams like I think most teams I don't have any empirical data to back this up but I

think most of them use it on they want to day two picks because those are obviously guys that you

are spending a greater level of capital on so you want to make sure you're sure about them

whereas I it's almost like a recruiting tool for the Packers like hey you know we like you on day

three if somehow you know you flip through and I'm going in a different direction we'd love to

have you here like they get 30 of them plus there's also and maybe that's one way that it changed

is that they've also added uh additional um virtual visits that they're able to do so they still

have the 30 in person but I can't remember if it was eight or 10 something like that of additional

virtual visits that you're permitted now so maybe they're starting to use those for you know day

three type guys but um certainly some some second round talents have been among that the people on

that list for sure what I'm gonna change gears from draft picks to current players because I

really just a room who in your opinion or I guess this is early because of the wicks trade

in that wide receiver room right do you see I guess we don't know how it's going to shake out

obviously we have to wait till training can't see all these things play out but just early looking

do you see golden being somehow elevated into that two spot over re

yeah that's a really good question because I don't think you know I don't I think he's a

let me figure out how I want to phrase this first of all did you realize that he and Reid are

this are they're at least listed at the same height neither one of those guys are big guys

like and I think that's why we thought after Reid broke his collarbone that they would use

golden inside more and he'd become their slot guy and instead my god there were times when

they were using Christian Watson as a slot guy a lot last year um so and and I I kind of realized

that the first time I met golden in the locker room and I was like I thought kind of like the old

the old joke about Rogers I thought you'd be bigger um he he's not a huge dude like he's muscular

but so is Reid um they're no bigger than Randall cop I think they're all kind of the same size

okay I don't know what what they're thinking but I don't think he's like this and obviously Randall

lined about side sometimes too but it does it does feel like he's viewed very differently he's

obviously faster than Reid uh they're 40 times his but his is way is significantly faster coming out

of college but look it's those three and then it's avion Williams and then you know it's either

they draft somebody or bull mountain goes back to being a wide receiver they've got a few other

wide receiver guys that are like practice squad types that they've kept around uh I don't know if

any of them are ready to elevate uh you know Taoist made the point today on our show about how

yeah this is obviously a big opportunity for golden but it's also a huge opportunity for

Savion Williams and I'm still not entirely sure what exactly uh Savion Williams is like he

was sold to us as Cordero Patterson and instead I mean he had 10 catches last year like you know

he did not and I know he had an injury that he was dealing with and whatever else but it's not

like he had an instant impact like you know he's a couple of catches ahead of a Mari Rogers

rookie numbers whoa that's that you got to apologize and you got to come on you don't want to do that

you know that's all anybody Mari Rogers a Mari Rogers had five catches as a rookie hold on hold on

I mean are you telling me you tell me that I should play them in this that double and now are you

telling me there's any similarity between those two at all because nothing else you will ever say about

him will equal all right okay just check it well I mean for one I don't I don't think Savion Williams

has had his quarterback destroys confidence um which I do think Matt I do think Aaron Rodgers

did that to like he may have failed anyway anyway but he was he is one of the few examples where I would

say that um well because look and look Aaron and I have talked about this in the past not recently

obviously what does he say but like the you say no not about him specifically the kid well

and maybe it was about him specifically no it was it was in the locker room while after like after

they released him or something that's like man you were hard on him and he's like well I that's

how it's it's the NFL this isn't one of the teams you're coaching or something and my and my

response and my response was yeah but you know and I said look and I I can't say the phrase that

I said you can't be us a be answer is what I said to them and I said I've been here the whole time

you've been here I know that one of your leadership strengths is that you know which guys need a

kick in the ass and which ones need a arm around their shoulder and a Mari Rogers clearly needed

something different than what you gave him I my answer I thought he would go ahead he'd be saying

the guys I there's nothing to help him he's so bad that I got a and and and and well you you just

you just stepped on the punch line because he's his his response was maybe your rights but I don't

think it would have mattered yeah all right and again and you'll never know because you were because

you didn't read him correctly well no but what did you do after what he never did anything for

anybody nothing but I'll say look Brian Bologna's a confident dude but if the Packers had put him

in at guard where by his own admission he sucked and they just kept playing him there and he just

kept getting beaten down and struggling and giving up sacks and playing poorly now as confident

of a dude as he is he eventually his confidence would have been in really dire strength see and I

disagree he would have figured it out if they played him in the worst position Brian Bologna would

have figured it out he may not have been as good as he was tackle I don't know that he could have

been a punter Brian Bologna would have figured it out wherever they played but I guess Brian should

answer that I want to take in more than a year's work I assure you that it would have taken

on it would have taken a while it would have taken on the leash would have had to have been very

long I'll put it that way all right we'll finish this because we're late I want to be on record

Jeremiah love will be in the football hole of fame one day either of you want to join that club

or last the running back on it I won't say there's zero percent yeah no I don't want any part of

that all right Brian Bologna yeah I don't I'm not familiar with this game as Shaq once said or I

wasn't familiar with your game so like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna all right thanks Jason all right

guys take care be good sorry I interrupted too many times but I'm all right no I'm this I've

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the brine will log a home or hour I can't remember all the things oh this concept

about you know you it's mental and all this other stuff I I just think 90% of that's garbage

there's a certain level of ability that you have and I don't take it away because you've seen

people at all different levels in high school college pros yeah no listen I think there there is

a mental aspect of the game of self belief and and putting yourself in a mindset that I can get

this done regardless adversity things like that and like that is okay apart that is a part of it

there's no doubt half elite ones especially like I'm not talking even myself I'm talking like the

elite guys like we'll talk about Aaron for example like his mentality is it's crazy and it's it's

so dialed in and it's on a different level um but you played how many years

12 and you would have played more if you hadn't gotten hurt yeah if you play that number of years

and given how many games you start your elite you're not an elite like Aaron but you're living

in the same neighborhood your house just isn't as big it's nowhere near as big okay um but it's

it's nowhere near as big but uh it you're you're you're hitting the nail on the head there is a

talent is the biggest driving factor it's the biggest driving factor you have it or you don't

your mentality can get you pretty far if your talent is decent right it can drive you on to

listen to to big levels I think it might mean if you're if you're an absolute grinder you have a

awesome mentality self-belief is there and your and your talent is we'll say mid-tier yeah you

could do great things you really can but like talent has doesn't just get you in the door

right like it has to then show through when things aren't going your way like a receiver I think

Aaron Rogers is basically saying Jason the kid sucks he doesn't belong here he has nothing

I'm simply hoping that maybe this is what it is because I don't think it is but

nothing else I could try yeah so I'll be dead honest I never followed the marie Rogers career path

I don't I was I wasn't there um to be dead honest with you if there was a receiver that was

worth something that was good Aaron would have made it work yeah I know Aaron would have put

well put don't stop on that one if there was a chance that this person could help in any way

Aaron Rogers would try to make work all right final segment I don't want you to add anything

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