ISSUE: Big 12 Is FALLING APART After Cody Campbell, Brett Yormark FEUD Explodes Over Texas Tech Game

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The Big 12 was rocked over the weekend when two of our power brokers Cody Campbell, Texas

Tech, and Brett Yormark, the commissioner went to battle.

Who's right?

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It's a Big 12 beef, and I gave you my opinion that I thought that Cody Campbell was right,

but every couple of days thinking about it, is it the case?

Is Cody Campbell actually looking out for the Big 12 or just Texas Tech, then Arizona

losing to Michigan?

That was the nail in the coffin on the Big 12 season.

We got one final four team in, but that kind of loss going into tonight's national championship.

What does it say about our league?

And finally, West Virginia football elite.

I don't know if that's the right word, but this spring practice, this conglomerate, this

roster that's been built, can compete in the Big 12.

And honestly, given the schedule, compete at least for a Big 12 championship or being

that conversation in the last couple of seasons of this fall.

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Paul, let's start it off, though, I mean, this, I gave my, so can I, I'm a stripper

back a little bit.

Let's strip it back.

I feel is those sometimes in the locked on Big 12 seed.

I get this, you know, patrol all 16 teams.

And my opinion can occasionally just seem like it's too overarching, like I'm not down

on the weeds with West Virginia and the weeds with the UCF or in Arizona.

I'm kind of trying to represent 16 schools, you're in the weeds, you're West Virginia.

When you see Cody Campbell and the commissioner of this conference going at each other, what

comes to mind for you?

Fear, a little bit of fear, you know, from a standpoint of, I just, you know, I feel

like if you tallied it all up, you can't say the Brett, your mark hasn't been overwhelmingly

great for this conference.

Yeah.

There's a lot of things to gripe about.

But as with anybody who's done a lot of great things, the things that they do great constantly,

get overlooked because they do them so often in all the time.

And I think overall what, what your mark has meant to the league and the things he's done

for the league, whether it be for exposure or his willingness to try to kind of tackle

the bigger leagues, even though and try to put us to position us.

Third, in the pecking order in football and second next to the NBA in basketball have

been all been great.

And I think he's done a wonderful job at it.

And when I see, you know, it's similar to when you're here in politics, you know, they'll

try to drive a wedge in between you so that you can't work together for the greater good.

And the fact that Cody Campbell and Brett, your mark aren't working together, it to me

is the biggest loss here.

They should be working together and not against each other.

And I think that's where the biggest loss is going to come into play for everybody involved.

Because Cody Campbell and your mark working together could do so much for the big 12.

But it seems to me like Cody Campbell wants to be Brett, your mark.

And Brett, your mark is in a situation where if he doesn't speak up, what's he supposed

to do here?

He's got a fire back, right?

And I get that there are things that he has done.

Absolutely.

I get it.

The Friday night thing I think is kind of what set this off.

And, you know, then they go back and forth, right?

They call them tone deaf.

You know, I get it and then, you know, when I realized that your mark kind of fired back

with some data saying that Friday nights at 64% are ratings and they just had this back

and forth.

Yeah.

And then Campbell called him a dictator.

And I was like, well, that's, that's definitely one way you could take this.

Brett, your mark hasn't been challenged at all really since he's been quote unquote

in office.

Cody Campbell is probably the only guy capable of doing it.

I will say that.

It's, but overall, the way I see it as a West Virginia fan, I want the big 12 to succeed.

I want it to flourish.

I want it to thrive.

You don't know with Campbell what his all-thierry mode of biz.

Obviously, if I were in issues, I would be loyal to the soil before I would anything

else.

So that means West Virginia would have, no matter what I represented publicly, West Virginia

would probably have first interest, second and third interest, but yes, the league

too.

I don't know.

I just think it's human nature for them to look for a better situation for Texas tech.

Generally, I just think that's just the way I would look at it.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe he is looking out for just the big 12.

But overall, I think my biggest takeaway is it's just not great for the league.

That's.

Again, you're in the weeds, West Virginia.

For me, I see Cody Campbell as this almost second commissioner.

If he's heading up the, you know, CSC with Nick Saban and trying to run college football

from Washington, DC, he's got enough power.

People now know it.

People see his commercial on ESPN on Saturdays before they know who Brett Yoermark is, right?

He's right.

It's money to be a figure.

Am I off base to say that whatever Cody Campbell does say or do still represents the

big 12 for better or worse?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the kind of the problem here.

There's no line.

Yeah.

Is that scary?

Is that scary for West Virginia or UCF or Arizona fans?

Is that scary?

It depends on what you want, I think, right?

Because if you want him to succeed in what he's attempting with, then it's not scary.

If you want things to stay as they are, and the big 12 kind of stay in this third pecking

order for as long as it can, you know, because what you worry about is if you, if you upheave

all these things, where do you, where does a West Virginia land in the landscape that

is now or West Virginia hasn't been good in football and close to a decade and in basketball.

Fourth coaching four years.

We're finally going to have our coach for a longer than a year coming up.

And although there are plans and all these things for where everybody would be and what

things would happen, I think for me as a West Virginia fan, I just, I wait for the other

shoe to drop in these situations and what could happen, really, like when if they really

started to hash this out, what, what would, who would be, you know, moved around here?

Will we be able to get back in the ACC or, you know, because I don't know if that would

be the best place for us, even though we have great rivalries there, you know, so there's

just a lot about it that I don't know at, you know, when it all comes out in the wash

kind of situation, is there something that would come down the pike at a West Virginia

fan that maybe we're not seeing here, because it hasn't been really on the table really

yet, like it's proposed, but like is this actually going to happen?

It seems like not, but if it did, what would happen, you know, like they have, they have suggestions

I suppose of a baseline, but would they try to rearrange things, would they try to do

things differently? Where would West Virginia land in that? Like that's kind of the fear

from just a single player team kind of thing.

Yeah, I think it's very, very reasonable fear actually. I mean, we'll get into here in

a second Arizona, Michigan, the final four, but if I can for somebody who is a Baylor alum

and for you at West Virginia guy, it is so vividly clear if Cody Campbell went to West Virginia

or the Baylor, we would be bought in Gung Ho. No, that's, that's a guy who has West Virginia

at his current, you know, heart. Like a McAfee. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. If he was a Baylor guy,

like a chip in Joanna, you're, you're bought in, but it's not. He's a Texas tech guy first

and to your point, if you're in a battle, Brett, you are Martin Cody Campbell, your mark has only,

his job is the big 12. He only cares about the big 12, not one 16th of the big 12.

Cody Campbell, if tomorrow, the SEC Greg Senky calls it Cody, let's work out a deal. Cody

probably works out that deal. And that is a piece where for me, as somebody who reported a lot

last week about how the big 12, Cody, this whole thing, that is a piece that is very clear,

that ultimately, Cody Campbell has the, the best interest of one school in mind versus Cody,

how do you feel about Arizona State or West Virginia or, or, you know, Cincinnati? It's a little

bit different. We 30 more seconds. What, how do you want to finish that, Paul?

Well, I think, you know, especially when the Campbell's concerned, you know, he, to me,

I don't look at him as a booster. Obviously, he's a region chair. He's a billionaire. He's

kind of helped build Texas tech into this culture while playoff team. And I think at the end of the

day, if you're riding checks, you think you're calling the shots and Campbell isn't pretending

otherwise here. Yeah, I think, you know, Brett, your mark kind of feels like he's a, you know,

in, in, in survival mode a little bit. And, you know, Cody Campbell's a little bit of

threat to that situation. You know, is it, who's to say that if Brett, your mark loss is job,

Cody, Campbell wouldn't be the first person everybody called. I mean, there's got to be some of

that going on as well. But at the end of the day, I do think that what Cody wants is good. I do,

I, I think he has a, you know, a good starting point. But I just worry about, you know, where it

would end up if we go down that road, I don't know. And those are the things that I think need to

be worked out. Yeah. Well, coming up, let's do Arizona, Michigan. Let's do it quick. This

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Well, Paul, we don't have to take that long on this one. Arizona and Michigan,

and this is more of an overarching Big 12 basketball conversation. I'll peel the curtain back

for the listeners at home. When one of us crosses over, say locked on Big 12, locked on West Virginia,

the goal is that both accounts can post on their feed for you to listen, meet a lot of audiences,

make everybody kind of collectively come together. So the goal is to talk on this show about

overarching Big 12 themes. This is one you have to talk about. And to make it overarching,

the whole concept is how the Big 12 fair this season, not just this one game, right? But ultimately,

what this one game means the Big 12 season. And Paul, the national championship tonight, Monday night,

is going to be played without a Big 12 team. Is that ultimately a black spot on this conference,

Arizona, the way they lost Michigan? Is that a black spot on the Big 12 to you?

Yeah, yeah, it is, man. I unfortunately think so. It's not that they lost necessarily. It's

how they lost. I mean, this was Michigan control the entire game. It was a commanding win for them.

They, it wasn't even as close as the final score indicates. Really, this wasn't a back-and-forth

game. Michigan could control early. They never gave it back. Mara was incredible with 26, 9,

and 2 on the game, which is totally dominated inside. Cadal was good as well. They really played

a, you know, Jaden Bradley definitely didn't make his Kevin Best case for being the Big 12 player

the year diddy. So I think at the end of the day, man, your best player can't disappear like that

in the final four. That's what happened. And the entire narrative of that, you know, Gonzaga guys

and Tommy Lloyds against Zaga guy that they don't win the big one that's going to continue as well

alongside of that. And I think that, you know, the Big 12, we have to, we have to go earn back

that second best thing going forward. I think, you know, is our conference a bear of a league

from start to finish every year? I do, yes it is. I can, I don't think I can say that we're second

bet or they're best anymore. I don't know if we can say that. I think it's unfortunate.

But the SEC is 100% in Big 10, especially caught up to the Big 12 and it's a lot of to do with

money. It's the reason why, you know, they weren't able to do this before the NIO. Similarly to how

some of the Big 12 teams like Texas Tech weren't able to catch up until money became a factor, right?

It works both ways, but yeah, it's a black guy. It's not insurmountable, but it's good, it's a bad look.

Is so I often make the point during March madness that it's so tough to meet a judge

a league because if I point, let's say high point can beat who they beat Wisconsin. Yet the

Big 10 might win the national championship. It doesn't mean that the big sky or whatever,

you know, the coastal conference of America is better than the Big 10. Obviously, it's so hard

to judge a conference off March madness because Paul, look, you, surely it's a shared experience.

I would go to Don Owens in Arkansas and play five on five. And my boys and I, we knew how to play

together. We could beat anybody. We could lose to anybody. The scrawny kid got hot from three,

made four three pointers. You lose 12 to eight, you know, you play to 12 by ones and twos, right?

College basketball 40 minutes. One little scrawny kid gets hot. It's over. It doesn't mean the big

sky is better than the Big 10. However, there is something about the consistency of a league being

there to prove that when the moment is the biggest, you win. Paul Arizona, Houston, Iowa state,

the moment was the biggest. The big 12 didn't win. Is it one year sample size though big enough

to tell us that this conference is not number one in college basketball? That's a fair take. I

think it's maybe there's some, obviously, there's always going to be some overreaction, right?

Some combination bias with, with some of this stuff, you know, I think the physicality gap in

this game is really what kind of shocked me was not expecting that Arizona couldn't match their

size and strength. Obviously, you're talking a little bit more league wide here, but in this

specific game, it was so bad, like it just couldn't have been worse for the league the way this

specific game looked. It just wasn't close. But yeah, I think for this league wide, certainly,

we understand that we're in the conversation at the very least with the other two leagues. It's

not like in football where it's clear cut. We're not there. Yeah, I'm frustrated with it. Really,

I am, especially because what's Virginia hasn't had much to offer in the realm of helping that

narrative, but we've had chaos happening for coaches in four years. It's impossible to anybody,

for anybody to succeed with. I don't know, man. I don't think, I don't think it means that we can't,

that we're not the best league. I think it means that this year, we weren't the best league. You

know what I mean? And that sucks, but it also doesn't mean we can't retain that going forward.

Like I said, we just have to go back and grab it again. Last point is, I don't remember a time

when the top five this, you know, felt so insurmountable and basketball. I can't remember the last

time in the big 12, the top five teams. Yep. Like as a West Virginia fan, I felt like, okay,

one through five, we can't beat them. Below that, we've got a shot with any other teams in the league.

That's how I felt this year, whether it was Houston, whether it was Iowa State, whether it was BYU

when they were fully healthy, whether it was Arizona. You know, like I truly felt West Virginia

in a neutral course setting probably lose nine out of 10 games of those teams this year.

And we were a pretty French tournament team. We're in the championship of the ground playing

today. So, you know, I don't know. I thought we would have had a better showing. And the fact that

we didn't is kind of got me shook a little bit. Yeah. I think that's the best way to put it,

those top five and separate it themselves from everybody. And then what are you going to do?

This league is that good. You know, Paul, I almost said this league is that deep. It's not that deep.

It's not, you know, the SEC does go. Texas taught us 11 teams deep. They do. The big 12s,

God does horses. They're just that cut off. That gap is pretty defined. We got to fix that.

Coming up West Virginia elite football. That's a big word. Here's the reason I use that word.

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Mounted your poll locked on West Virginia. I think I do. West Virginia could be elite next

season. What does elite mean, Paul? What does elite mean? Here's why I think that word elite

coming to play. Now look, we've said what Arizona State went from being really bad.

Walk in the big 12 next season, flip it. Double digit wins. Go to the big 12 championship,

win that. Go to the college football playoff. This is not unheard of. I'm not an insane person here.

The reason I think West Virginia that word elite could be there is because the defense

of rich and rich Rodriguez loves the good defense. They might be like, oh, yeah,

you're all fancy. Oh, well, those old West Virginia. No, no, no, no, no, no. You cannot compete

at the top level of college football without defense. Rich Rodriguez wants to play good defense.

I know that. And if I look at what West Virginia did in the transfer portal, Paul, you ready for

this? You ready for this? From the outside perspective, the mountaineers did not create elite.

They created competition. This team did not bring in automatic starters. They brought in competition.

What Texas tech did to be great. Last year, we were like, oh, the portal, the portal. No,

they brought in guys to make your returners compete. And what did that do? It made Texas tech

elite. So West Virginia didn't say, hey, silver spoon. We need you to walk in here and start. No.

We need you to walk in here and compete. I love what they did in the portal. I love what they did.

This freshman class. It's incredible. By the way, I love this freshman class. I like what

West Virginia just built defensively to compete to become an elite team on that side of the

ball. Now that's an outside perspective, Paul. I'll pass it to you. The West Virginia mountaineers

and elite fall upcoming. Yeah. So defensively, I'm not, I'm not a little surprised you went there.

I'm not to do okay. Good. Good. I like this. Good. I mean, I'm with it. You know, I can definitely

name some players that if that happens, this is, I can spell out exactly why. You know, defensive

line will start there. West Virginia brought in some really good players on defensive line,

for sure. Starting with probably a Zekem Durham Campbell from Coastal, 6'5, 250 pound dude,

that has been really tough. And then spring practice so far for people to block. You know,

he's a guy that had around seven sacks last year for them and was double teamed all last year

for Coastal is their best pass rusher. You return Nate Gabriel, Corey McIntyre back inside.

A guy by the name of KJ Hanson comes up from Juco. And in my opinion, it's very similar to one

of West Virginia's greatest all-time defensive lineman. He's going to be a dude for West Virginia

and all reports are he has been a dude so far in camp. So I'm excited about him.

Toby Hosterp comes in from Oregon. There you go. And this is, in my opinion, the most athletic

pass rusher we've had in over a decade. We don't get guys like this very often. And there's a reason

that he was so highly rated coming out. Listen to this. This kid is 6'5, 250 pounds and runs a 10

600 meter. It's incredible. What a monster he is and doesn't look like a freshman either.

Coming off the edge, he's going to play a factor this year for sure. But you know, I don't want to

go through every single player here. But they're the one weakness on this defense that we don't know

about its corner. West Virginia brought in three six foot four corners. And I'm not exaggerating that.

That's what they decided to go with. They decided to go with major height. So they brought in three

guys that were six four two from junior college. One's a transfer. And they have supposedly looked

pretty good so far. But the offense is one the day every single day in spring can't practice.

Come on. Give it to me. Come on. I'll give it to the offense. Give it to the offense. So obviously,

Cam Cook is a guy that well led the country in rushing last year and had almost 2,000 scrimmage

arts. He comes over with Rick Trickett who was the greatest offensive line coach of this generation

putting almost 50 players into the NFL in his career at this point. He's won two national

championships. Nick Sabin's first call when he got hired. And LSU was Rick Trickett. Yep.

So Rick Trickett reunites with Rich Rodriguez since the first time since those at West Virginia

since those early 2000s teams that almost won the natty. And with him, he brings two of his

offensive line from Jack State that were first team all conference guys. Also coming over are three

other starting offensive lineman from other schools, one from Kansas State, one from Yukon,

and another one from me go back and look at my really my thing here. The other one is

Oh, yeah, Malik Agbo from Texas. So at the end of the day, you know, these dudes are

all playing extremely well together from what I understand. And Kevin Brown, the freshman,

is the wild card on the unit. We should have been a five star guy. But, you know, he's right

there on the border. And, you know, talking to his dad, you know, he is going to be a special kid

for us. And I think it's a good thing that he hasn't broken into the starting unit yet,

because that means this freshman is better than all these transfers he brought in. He's broken

every lifting record for a freshman at West Virginia so far as a freshman. So for four freshmen,

not all time. But the offensive line and, you know, from what everybody's saying is probably going

to be on the elite side. Like I said, West Virginia sunk over four million dollars into the

O line for a reason. We were battling Auburn for two of the guys. We battled Cal for one of the

guys. We were battling Penn State for one of the guys. Like there was there were a lot of a lot

of and Cal had a lot of money for whatever reason this all passed off season. The wide receivers

are probably going to be I'll get to quarterback in a second. But the wide receivers have probably

been the second most surprising. You've got Jayden Bray, a kid that called 35 passes as a freshman

at Oklahoma State and has been injured two years in a row. And he's turned into an absolute monster

for what I hear in spring ball so far. Prince John comes over from USC with six six 220 pounds.

I just had his brother and NFL receiver on two days ago. My strong new place for the Colts.

And he told me his brother has a chance to be better than him. He runs a 4 4 6 6. I mean,

it's incredible. And then the LSU transfer is Toronto Francis, a guy that you know broke into

their lineup last year as a true freshman. We know LSU has probably been wide receiver you

outside of Ohio State, right? See one of the other. And he has been really fun to watch in

camp so far. I can say this much is for sure. At quarterback, my caucus junior has a slight edge

is what I understand. And then this is from talking to several people now that's been present

during camp. The media has been cut off. We haven't been able to go. But what they do allow is

family members to come. So luckily, I know all the family. And what all they what they all

collectively say. And keep in mind, three of these guys are former NFL players. My caucus junior

has the edge in this race right now, which is a little surprising to me. I thought Scotty would

hold an edge longer given that he's had a year in the system. But my caucus junior comes in. And

and he's really, you know, if Richard has a quarterback that can run like that. And in Hawkins,

junior make no bones about it is a four three guy. And that's not an exaggeration. You know,

that it just puts another, it's another added layer and level to this offense for Rich Rod.

And he's picked it up so fast. I think that's what most people were shocked by.

I would be really shocked at this point. And I was on record earlier today telling somebody else,

you know, could our defense be average? Yes, I think it could be very average, but could it be good?

It could be, well, there's just so many unknowns. Offensively, I've never been or sure that we're

going to be a top 25 group. Never been more sure. There's just too many pieces, especially in the

offensive line with Cam Cook in the backfield. Last thing is Amari Latimer. Obviously the Georgia

player of the year comes in as a freshman, one of those four stars that we brought in on the

second rated class in the big 12. As you know, he is really impressed. So he's number two right

now. And it's really not hard to just become the Georgia player of the year in the state of Georgia,

where they, I mean, it's one of the best five football states in the country. So yeah, Texas Tech

got four of their five stars this year or something like that. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know what I'm

saying? You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So that was a very long-winded thing. But,

you know, I mean, you could compile all that with how the schedule lines up for West Virginia.

Yeah, it's, it's pretty insane. You know, West Virginia, you know, I mean, to get so many

home games in a year is incredible. To not play your first road game until Iowa State is even more

incredible. You've got in week three, Virginia, who I think goodness Chandler Morris got denied

recently. And I was taking 11 games last year. I always stayed to win on the road, too. By the way,

like that's one of the complete flip that I didn't mean to cut you off there, Paul. But if I,

I was already talking too long anyway, but no, no, before I jump out of here, before I jump out of

here, the reason I say you lead on defense and I want to clarify, I'm not guaranteeing West Virginia

will be that. But what they have the makings of is the 2024 into 25 Texas Tech, the way the,

the last couple of years, the Red Raiders have, have, because Jacob Bradford's going to walk in.

You mentioned Haustrup and you mentioned Durham Campbell's going to walk in. I mean,

safeties. Yeah, it's going to. I mean, that's secondary hall adjacent hall from Villanova,

like got it done at a smaller level. But as a guy who could walk into to West Virginia and contribute

Malachai Hood from Illinois, could walk in and contribute. Like, there are enough guys that will not

again, what I love about Richard Regan's is so to be like, oh, wow, that offensive. So that

obviously, yes, he's the king. I mean, absolute king of taking a run. This is again, hyperbolic,

but a running back and saying, you know what? Nope. You're a corner like he's a corner.

And the guy's the best corner you've ever seen in your life. Richard's great at moving guys

around and make your. That is the best he can be. He brought in competition. And I know Richard

as a competitor and a developer. He's those two things that only, hey, I know you don't like playing

safety. You want to be an offensive guard. But somehow that that. Richard is actually working on

right now in campus. I got an example for you to prove it. He's working DZ working like that.

So Paul, we get a minute. Yeah, yeah, take us home. Matt Sigg was a was the highest flip we had.

You're supposed to go to Penn State. Obviously, we benefited so greatly from that situation.

Yep. Matt Sigg has been. And I know I've mentioned a couple guys, but it's just the truth.

When you have this many incredible, we had a top 20 portal class and a top 20 freshman class.

You're going to win eventually if you keep doing that. I believe you know, Sigg is a guy

that he was the number one player in the state of Pennsylvania. And he played offense and defense

there. And he's kind of like Jackson Benny from Utah last year. To me, yeah, the guy that can play

both. And that's the goal. They've actually put some packages in for him on offense. He played

quarterback in high school. He's not going to play quarterback here. But in so far in campus,

he's made two of the wowest plays of anybody. You know, like they put a clip out one hand in

interception where it's like Odell Beckham Jr., where he's like going back and making a one-handed

pick. And he's just such an explosive athlete. So, you know, between he, Kevin Brown,

and a couple other guys, the freshman have really been popping off and pushing the guys. So

it's going to be fun. You know, there's a lot of Jack State flavor still on the on the on the

roster too. So they're they're doing well with culture. And I mean, it's still a lot of moving

parts. I'm thankful that we have a couple warm-up games to try to figure out where this team is.

Because we're going to have to have a strapped up from Virginia come week three. If we win that

game, I really, I might just explode because that's an 11-win team that returns over 70% of their

players next year. So if we, you know, I think that's going to be the ultimate measuring stick

game for West Virginia in the week three, we'll know a lot about us by the time we go play

Oklahoma State. That's crazy. Paul, where can more people find your work every single day?

Every single day, seven days a week, twice a day, we record on Locton West Virginia,

30-minute show, twice a day, Locton West Virginia on YouTube, Apple Spotify, all that stuff,

and as well as we post the X as far as the link how you can find us at Paul Mountain here.

Love it. Mountain Paul, thanks so much as always. This has been Locton. Thanks for making

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