Jacob Hackworth: From the Railroad to a No. 1 Hit in Nashville | DSH #1730

When I quit they were like you should really try try it out so I did started a

little band played some shows and my mom introduced me to a guy that lived here

in town that she went to school with. He hit me up and was like hey man if you

want to do this let me come watch a show and he came watch a show and he was like

well come to Nashville and ride for a weekend and we'll figure out the song side

of stuff and I was like all right cool and I came here one time and I was like I'm

moving wow you liked it that much yeah well I mean it was such a different

thing I lived you know same thing every day slow like and I'll don't give

it on I loved it but yeah we came here and I was like holy this place is

wild as hell yeah anything could happen here

do it okay guys Jacob Hacksworth here in Nashville welcome man yeah

thank you for having me on yeah how long you been out here I moved like right

at the end of 2019 August of 2019 so a little over five years you spent

over years here yeah I did it was it was interesting I just moved so I was like

just now getting around I've got a job at a bar bar down the street and I was

kind of like all right this is gonna be nice and then everything happened they

hired everyone I was like okay I'm out of made the wrong move here but we stuck

it out it worked out so nice were you bouncing out bars before that what was

that were you bouncing out bars like yeah I was I was actually bar backing so I

was just running beer and I started down here and then went to Broadway work

there for a little bit and then when everything happened they let us all go

as I did everyone else I feel like and I went home to Missouri I'm from Missouri

so I went back for like three months we kept our place here me and my roommates

and we kind of just stuck it out and figured it out and everything kind of

started picking back up here and we just like well not too bad let's go back

nice came back and it actually changed a lot I feel like through that because

everyone was here so it kept everyone in town no one was on tour you know

everyone was pretty much just running around so I got to hang out a lot of

people met a lot of people made a lot of connections so it was actually it

was actually a really cool moment for me as bad as it all was yeah but it was

yeah it was great is that when the music started to happen yeah like we we

moved and I'd been like writing and like kind of trying to find a niche in

town where I could you know kind of lock in and write when all that happened

you know when we came back I'm the free group that I had made was all hanging

out a bunch and we were kind of right in the middle of just a big group of a

bunch of music people and so I just got to know everybody and then it really

kind of kicked off there I got to know a good friend of mine his name's Heath

Warren he's a big songwriter here yeah and he he actually I got a job with

Amazon and he was like man you can't work for Amazon and ride every day he's

like so I'll get you a job on this boat that I work for and we worked on a

party boat and while we were working there that's when we wrote our first hit oh

that's cool there's party boats out here yeah there's like party barges on

the there's some on the lakes okay but there's one on the on the Converland

River that picks people up like write it like the end of Broadway it's called

the Pontine Saloon yeah so it was I was the one you were on yeah DJ it and

like DJ it and Barton all at the same time and just he had 40 people on there

and he just got everybody like having a good time and played music and got them

off that's a good experience to see like what songs people like and yeah I

mean it was all such a weird thing like it was all just kind of like I just like

slowly just got into like just everything music so it's pretty cool yeah yeah

I could do and then how long after that did the first song come out so we that

was in so 2020 is when you know I got to really start hanging out with these guys

and then the start of 21 was when I got the job on the boat okay with heath

and about the middle of 21 like I forget what month but that's when we wrote it

and then it came out in 22 oh so you're after yep damn yep I'm out in 22 with

Bailey Zimmerman he cut a song that we wrote with our buddy Jet Harvey and it's

called Rock and Hard Place and it came out in the middle of 22 and just boomed

six weeks at number one six weeks and that was your first release ever that was

my first like that was my first major label cut wow so like that was the first

song that someone with a record deal cut and put out like the whole big

way how shocked were you that it just dude I was I didn't know how it all worked

still like I was still pretty green so I'm like you know text and heath and we're

all just kind of like chatting around like what's going on and he's just like

man it's gonna be crazy like this is already it blew up on social media blew up

on TikTok and so we were just kind of like oh shit you know just kind of hanging

on by thread and just kind of like okay we'll keep us in keep us in the loop you

know and then slowly just did its thing and we all sign publishing deals and

started writing songs professionally yeah that's yeah there's a lot of

people trying to make it music yeah especially here you know there's there's a

ton of people and there's a ton of amazing songwriter so yeah for you know for

something to cut through and and happen like that it was pretty special yeah it's

competitive out here even the airport when I land like music it's crazy no

other airport house no it's as soon as you get here it's it's it's full of it

and that's I think that's what makes it so special yeah so it also helps you know

absolutely the the what is it the drive you know to go chase it yeah there's a

lot talent do you think what separates people is the connections I think so like

that was a big thing you know we I'm really focused on you know being being out

and like being down here because you know all these bars are like you know constantly

doing riders rounds is like we're you know songwriters can come and play their

songs that don't have deals that don't have like cuts that's cool and so you

know being out and around and being in you know the circle of things down here

is I think you know did a huge number on micro here for sure yeah that was smart

that you went the networking route I think yeah people kind of locked

themselves away but you also need to get out there for sure I felt like that's

in everything you know like the more that you're you know in the the know of

things and like people at least see your name or hear something you know it's

an important part yeah big change from Missouri man he had to do the huge

change I moved here and we were like oh water we're gonna do I was like I got

to drive 25 minutes to go five miles you know yeah not even but yeah it was

a it was a big change but we fell in love with it the bars helped yeah a lot of

drinking but I mean it was fun do we have chasing something having fun while

you're doing it is is makes it a little easier I guess how many bars have

you been kicked out of dude don't do this to me but I mean I know honestly a

couple a couple I know we just talked about it but yeah couple nothing for

anything bad just you're not an angry drunk no no just are you a teddy bear

drunk you get all touch touch you I'm just goofy as shit yeah I think I think you

know I might have like took my shirt off and I lit a cigarette in in a bar

and got kicked out or I think that was one of them and then I yeah you go hard

man I mean yeah we're having fun we're having fun whenever you know never you

know malicious or anything you know me and it's just being stupid yeah you thought

you're gonna work on a railroad your whole life right yeah yeah that was like

that was the thing you know being out here and like getting it actually chased a

dream and like we were doing something that you know I never thought like I was

doing something I ever thought that I'd actually get to do so being out here I

mean it was it was awesome but yeah I mean I worked I've right out of high school

went straight to the railroad that's just what everyone does where I'm from you

know it's you can either get a you know you know normal job where you know you're

not making very much and you're just kind of climbing for a long time or you're

smart enough to make something happen there which you know that's that too but most

of time people go you know work on the road they're pipeline or railroad or

something and how how far and was that did it wasn't boring it was just hard I

worked like I first job I had I went out for 21 days straight so that was the

the hitch you would go there yeah well I mean we we would get a hotel but like we

would go work you know 21 tens and then we would come back for you know six seven

days I got to go home for six or seven days you come home and you know spend

time with your family and then it was over and I was a blank of an eye and you

go back out but you made better money because you're working constantly and the

way just we're a little bit better so it was great though I got to see like I

got to see all over the country doing it so it was it was cool I liked it it was

interesting but I'm glad the music thing kind of you can only do physical

labor so long before your body yeah yeah I mean we were I mean I was

swinging a hammer I was driving spikes like how you would see it in the

movies you know yeah there's no way they still do it like that yeah it is I can't

believe they still do that yeah they would have invented a better system I mean

they have machines and stuff to like make it quicker and faster yeah but you

know off the bat when you're you know building a railroad track you can't

drive a machine on the track unless it's built so you have to build it by hand

right and get it close enough that the machines can move on it and then they

kind of finish it out yeah it's pretty cool it's interesting I do not know if I

could go back and do it I would be hurt yeah you're probably in prime shape

back then dude I was not like this I look good but now now I mean yeah definitely

I got put some weight on yeah were you an athlete grown up yeah man I I played

football I played baseball football was you know where I probably had like

I was probably better at it I loved baseball more but I was better football

just I had a big body and you could run into people you know you gotta be smart

enough to go in the right direction that's really it yeah what was your

position I was alignment I was defensive in an offensive tackle where you

getting looks for colleges or man we had a couple things like right at the my

senior year you know I got a couple letters in the mail for some stuff but I was

pretty dead set on going to work like I kind of I grew up you know not I'm not

gonna say like low income but like we I wanted to go make money if I could

say you know I wanted to go get my life started and I wanted to I wanted to

have a new truck you know I wanted to kind of do stuff like I'll just go to work

and but yeah it was interesting yeah it was interesting how it worked well you're

seeing a more common me now with college get like people don't want to go

50K and debt yeah that was the whole thing it was like well you can go to

college but I mean you're gonna have to work you know two jobs go to school at

the same time and because I mean I could have got a scholarship maybe but I mean

I wasn't wasn't very I mean I didn't like school you know I didn't have crazy

good grades I was barely hanging on you you'll go in through school yeah but

just because I didn't like it so I was like I just makes more sense just go to

work and then you know that's what happened and it was awesome luckily I didn't

have to do it did you blow all the money or do you stack it too I'm so spinning I

would go work 21 days I'd come home and we were drinking beer and hanging out

and I mean I wasn't drinking beer I was too young yeah like we were hanging out

you know so yeah I just we had fun and I just I don't know just kind of was just

doing the thing I didn't really have like a in-goal I guess yeah until I quit

so yeah yeah and you probably didn't have like a mentor telling you to like

investigate or no hell no no I mean they were my family was like hey you're

doing good you got a great job yeah keep doing it you're probably making more

than them right I was making I was making yeah probably about the same you know

my mom was a nurse and so she didn't she did well and my dad was a social worker

counselor and he was doing great but I mean I was right there with him just

cuz I work so much to they support your music journey absolutely yeah they

always did so like I mean growing up always saying and I loved it I sang all

through school singing church and so my mom actually funny story she

signed me up for the voice while I was running railroad yeah and so I came

home and we went and tried out for the voice and they're like yeah you're good

but next you know like I get so many people oh yeah did it I mean it's it's

whatever but yeah they always they always did support me and then I started

like posting videos and stuff and like started liking it a lot I was like this

is cool yeah when I quit you know they're like you should really try try it

out so I did started a little band played some shows and met met some

like my mom introduced me to a guy that lived here in town that she went to

school with and I he hit me up I was like hey man if you want to do this like

let me come watch a show and he came watch a show and he was like well come to

Nashville and right for a weekend and we'll figure out the song side of

stuff I was like all right cool and I came here one time and I was like I'm

moving wow you liked it that much yeah well I mean it was such a different

thing I lived you know same thing every day slow like just and I don't get

wrong I loved it but yeah I moved I we came here I was like holy shit this

place is wild as hell yeah yeah anything could happen here you know so probably

hard to build a name for yourself in Missouri right yeah it's it's definitely

one of those things now it's probably a little easier just because of social

media and stuff but yeah at that time like I mean TikTok wasn't anything which

is weird to think about but crazy yeah only five six years ago yeah like it

was just starting like when I moved here yeah like you know people were just it

was just getting big so yeah like then I was like you got to move here you got

to be in the mix which is true like I said being in the mix here is what really

I think did it absolutely there's a big podcast out here too man there's a lot

of big social media people are here yes yeah and I think it's getting bigger and

bigger every day it's pretty it's pretty awesome yeah a lot of people from

Callie are moving here yeah from other states yep yeah it's it's it's pretty

sick honestly yeah it's nuts these days to hit number one I feel like you need

TikTok if you don't have to talk you're not gonna hit it yeah I mean I think I

mean don't get wrong it helps for sure but I think to like you know have a

have a hit record you can you can have massive numbers and and that kind of

thing but the radio is still an untouched thing and you know to get on the

radio it's a whole nother situation cost a lot yeah it's a lot of money it's

and I mean at the end of the day in the label you know it's kind of that's

really how you get there you know sign in a deal right because it's hard to do

it by yourself almost impossible yeah it pretty close you know there I think

there's a guy that just did it his name is him his name is Drew Baldrige but he

just had a number one at Country Radio on his own wow I've never heard of that in

Country yep it was pretty pretty sick deal it was eye opening to the town I

think yeah it was pretty awesome pretty amazing yeah shout out to Russ he's like

an independent hip-hop 100% yes like I think that is like those guys are

are what's paving the future easily for me yeah because a lot of people won't

get on labels radars but they're talented yeah got good marketing and it's

also like I feel like connection based a lot of you know yeah it's pretty

it's pretty weird yeah but I'm it's so sick that they're doing it because now

people are going hey I can do it if he did it I can do it you know and it's

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record out in 21 that we just did independently and it was awesome and we just

didn't know we were doing we didn't have marketing we didn't have anything I

was just putting it out to have to go play shows I was like well if I have music out

and I go play a show then maybe they'll be able to look it up and it's just not

the best way to do it but it was it was awesome but yeah we're we're back to

putting music out here in the next month you know so April 11th we're gonna

drop a song and I'm pumped about it like I said I've been writing songs for almost

three years now professionally here and I think I've been able to kind of you

know dial in on the craft and find out really how I want to do it so and I've

met some amazing people that are you know by my side with it and we're gonna see

what happens I'm pumped let's go let's see if we could get another number one

man I never want on my own yeah so it would yeah I'm excited I'm really excited I

get to go you know play some shows and get some music put out and kind of get

on the other end of the the song spectrum yeah so it's gonna be cool yeah what

was it like on Tucker wetmore's tour dude we we start in we start in April

we started the beginning so we'll go he's taking me out luckily we've been

friends for a long time and he had a crazy year last year he blew up

yeah massively so he uh he was like you know I kind of I think I want you to

come out and like and tour with me and you can open up and we were just

starting to get in the mix of you know like let's put some music out and my

team was like I think it's time like you kind of got some songs that we're

excited about and yeah Tucker was gracious and I have to be like let's do it

so we're gonna see what it's what it's all about I mean he's playing great shows

big shows and I'm gonna take my damn guitar out there and just play shit see

what see what happens is that your first time touring it'll be my first like

legitimate like tour yeah it'll be awesome yeah I'm sure that'll be a valuable

experience yeah it'll be cool I mean it's a great way to get you know eyes on

the music and I mean it's definitely like a it's a it's kind of like a

ride a passage I feel like as far as being an artist is like you need to go

out and have those like oh shit moments where it's like okay there's a lot

more people out here than I'm used to but here we go yeah that's gonna be your

biggest audience by far yeah it'll be it'll be something so you get a drink

beforehand I'll probably have a couple of cocktails ease the nerves a little bit

I definitely don't I mean I have to rip one of these yeah that energy drink is

strong I gotta try this thing dude I think that thing kicks I'm gonna take my time

on it or I'll just yeah I'll talk the case off this well I've done that before

shout out to old school energy when the founder came on I chugged a little bit

I was like holy shit dude I got a chill it's actually really good I don't like

energy drinks but yeah more coffee yeah but by far coffee all day coffee

more yeah coffee are some nice tea you know I haven't got into the tea thing but I

am intrigued to try it because it gave it has like the caffeine coffee kind of

has a what's it called like burnout at the end or whatever yeah like you feel

tired later on or whatever it's called with tea I don't get that oh that's

nice that's a let's get some coffee I'll crash it like two three p.m. I'm like

damn I need a nap dude hold it unless you keep pound for sure like I guess that's

the shittiest part about coffee yeah I guess if you get away might have to get

on the tea game yeah what kind of tea do I drink matcha I'm fancy with it

matcha yeah I don't even know what that is I know that is no this is the green

shit the green shit yeah dude I'm scared I'll have to give it a shot where's the best

place to get a matcha that's a tricky part because a lot of it's really bad

quality well if I'm in Vegas where would I go I make my own or buy it from Brian

Johnson I'll just hit you up yeah hit me up I'm the matcha plug for sure Brian

Johnson's got some good matcha have you seen that guy on social media maybe he's

the guy trying to live forever he has like white pale face is it does he does

he doesn't look like he's gonna live forever you just okay so it's just not it's

not looking good I mean but is he still trucking ah his results are good you

know he's spending $2 million a month on himself or whatever it is so he's he

like is saying that everything is going great but doesn't look like it yeah I'll

show you a photo I'll have to check it out he's trying to achieve a mortality

he's trying to evade death yeah well fucking good luck I think death is inevitable

yeah I mean I think so yeah yeah I totally think so that's fucking crazy like

even if I like if someone offered you yo do you want to live forever I I mean

no yeah I don't think I do it I mean I don't know it's weird that's a weird

question yeah like if you stayed the same age right now but you live forever no yeah

I don't think I think I'm I mean I think that's the whole part of our life is

like I didn't I didn't want to be 16 forever that Zac Efron yeah he did that he

saw how that worked out and that guy's hot as hell yeah and he he might miserable

yeah I forget how it ended but it wasn't a happy ending I mean it probably was

but it got it got dark it got dark for sure because then everyone you love

pass it away before you yeah your kids are gonna pass away before you yeah I

mean that's the whole thing I mean I'm a I'm a big believer a big Christian and

you know I look forward to that one day yeah so I used to fear death a lot growing

up but I've accepted it out I feel like 20 like turning 20 20 like six and

27 like when you start like okay I'm not a kid anymore I'm an adult I think

that like really came in play with me was like holy shit I'm gonna die yeah for

me was like when I started seeing some like now I have a year like a loved one

that's true it's like holy shit like some of these guys are young too like in

their 40s 50s for sure yeah it is yeah I feel that because it is it's like okay

that's real yeah so yeah but yeah so like I used to be a huge part of your

and stuff but I had to chill a little bit you don't drink I don't drink anymore

yeah matcha just matcha that's the high right yeah and I used to be a huge

stoner too but that I was so unproductive a lot of people in the music space can

pull it off I don't know how but some say like helps like creative which I'm

sure it can possibly just makes me like slow and slow I shut down yeah

yeah but they're like oh you got to like get a smoke this like did I smoke it

it's it well it's so strong these days yeah it's like 20 times stronger than

our parents for sure they were just picking it out of the fields for sure you're

just getting it like by a handful they're like yeah yeah now they're growing it

in a lab yeah it's like 35% like this is gonna make you levitate for real I felt

like I was levitating I don't want to do that no I get anxiety when I'm high

now I think yeah dude I have the anxiety is real I feel like like turning like

26 and 27 you're like okay holy shit just hates you man because when you're a

kid you have no worries you can get a high as you want well you're you don't

think about the you know the realistic side of like life yeah you're so just

numb to like responsibility yeah it's pretty well just living yeah now I just

shut down have a pen I actually had the worst shut down and have a panic attack

I gotta tell you this so do you know Chris Angel yeah do the the he does magic

yeah yeah have you been in a show or see no that shit's scary bro I didn't so

my my boys like yeah you want to go to magic show I'm like yeah pull it

rabbit out of a hat all lively and stuff yeah he's like yeah let's eat

edibles before and then go to a you had no idea oh my god the last thing I would

do it was eat an edible and go to a Chris Angel show so I ate 20 mg's which for

me is a lot it's enough yeah yeah and I had no tolerance back then too I walk in

the show we're late so everyone's already sitting down it's pitch black and

there's crows flying in the theater like there's actually yeah so I didn't

make it to my seat you didn't even go in yeah I paid like 150 bucks for the

ticket because I had a panic attack so I collapsed in the hallway walking

back to my hotel room I have to crawl to my room I'm not laughing because it's

not cool no it's terrible I'm never getting an edible again I throw up

everywhere in my room I call my girlfriend at the time I'm like babe I think I'm

gonna die like I my heart's racing dude I mean I know exactly how you're

feeling because I've definitely done it I just didn't do it in a fucking

Chris Angel show no I made out 10 times worse that's the whole that's the

worst part yeah because the day before I ate 10 mg's and it was amazing I went

to it all you could eat buffet I ate like 20 plates and it was amazing I think

that yeah that's what I doubled the dose thinking I could handle it but yeah I

did not that was just perfect pocket yeah I should have stick with 10 I've

definitely had the same situation where like oh I'll eat this much of one and

you can have the rest and then it actually for real my buddy did it and I was

like dude I only ate like a quarter of it and it was awful but I hung in there

yeah luckily didn't have a panic attack that's but I didn't go to a Chris Angel

that's fucking nuts yeah I thought it was it that day man your boy your

boys should have should have helped you yeah and then I had another time where I

just I don't know what the fuck happened I had to call an ambulance yeah I'm

never eating edible again dude no there's no shot I don't even like him I kind of

want to like if I want to if I'm gonna get high I'm gonna smoke it smoke a

little bit and be like okay I feel okay yeah it's gonna take it and be like well

let's see what happens it's more fucking guessing yeah because when you smoke it

it goes away after like 30 minutes the high yeah edible is your high for eight

hours for for sure yeah I mean like even if someone's like taking an edible and

going and writing a song that would be terrible you'd have half a song and then

the other half it would either be non-existent or dark yeah scary yeah for

sure what's your creative process any any substances or not I mean I think a clear

mind is like probably the the best way to go for me but I mean I like I mean I'll

catch a buzz like I'll drink a beer drink a couple beers yeah I'll drink way

more than a couple beers I wrote a song but just I mean I think like having a

level head and being able to think like process you know what's going on I

think that's probably the best for me just coffee in the morning yeah good

drive to work and get out and go inside and pick up a guitar no second no

psychedelics no no no no shot yeah I don't know I don't know I don't even

wouldn't even try that oh you've never done it I mean yeah I mean I wouldn't I

wouldn't like I don't want to trip it like a let we usually write it like 11 o'clock

I wouldn't want to like trip my ass off at 11 o'clock or 11 11 a.m. oh sorry 11 a.m. is

usually like the going time around here for like what time a session will start

interesting and it's kind of nice it's kind of like blue collar-esque you know

or it's like oh gotta be at work and gotta be off by you know for 4 30 and gotta

go pick up my kids you gotta go get dinner that kind of thing so it's it's nice

but I'm not about to eat a handful of mushrooms and like 11 a.m. and just go

and see what happens yeah I feel about you know clear head dude yeah maybe an

energy drink dude maybe a maybe a little old school energy given them a lot of

love this episode I know dude you watch any podcasts or any shows or

now I mean I've watched like like The Ovan the Ovan is I'm a comedy dude so like

the drummer and like the goofier the more like interested I am like the

Rogan like pod is it's like it's hard to die set like it has to be like it

someone on there that I can relate to like a comedian yeah like a comedian

or like a music guy like the post episodes cool yeah but like I'm also probably

ADHD's hell didn't just like can't stay locked in long enough to listen to

that long of a pod yeah dude but I like the comedy ones the comedy ones are funny

I like I like Theo like Bert Bert's good yeah dude he is and have you seen his

news stand up I gotta watch it dude it's hilarious yes it's funny it's a solid

check that one off but yeah he's those are like more my speed for sure yeah like

I said I'm not I'm not a malicious mean guy dumb and goofy so it plays more

than my favorite no after a long day at work I'm telling you a good old comedy

podcast can make my day man 100% yeah it's hilarious yeah I was listening to

Theo Vaughan Ari Shaffer on the way home from Sedona and it just made the whole

ride I don't know what's going on in his head but I want to know because like

that is like create like creativity and it's fine as I feel like they like to

study his brain yeah dude like I want some of what he's got someone should

offer his family million to a lot of passes away like to give him his brain

dude I mean it's it yeah I mean did he he's he's so funny I think he lives here he

does shot at the Theo yeah make shout out I'm like I've never I've never met him

but I've seen him you know seeing him around I'm just like man what do I see

about power slap a lot have you seen yes yeah that's just lit would you ever do

that for the right bag yeah the right bag I would do it okay I don't set that up

for you let's run it dude so right now the winners are making 10 grand yeah I'm

out I'm not getting dude cuz I'm gonna lose number one and I want to at least

like go out like oh I was worth it I want to get this shit I mean don't get me

wrong 10 10 grand it's fine that would be great to have it's five if you lose I

think you get 10 if you win what's like the championship or championship I think

they make more maybe 12 5 25 or something it's still a new sport so those dudes

are obliterating each other well especially the heavyweights that is who's a

dude that has the beard crazy Hawaiian yes yeah I just had him on so last fight

he lost his tooth because they hit that hard he lost an adult grown to he lost

an adult that I mean yeah dude I don't think there's it would have to be

pricey for me to get into somebody I think I do it for a mill a mill yeah I mean

I would for sure do it for you because you got a factor in we make money off

our our mind yes like if we lose a step there it kind of affects us in the

long run for sure for sure I was thinking about that like I've got a buddy that

like posted something on social media yesterday and he was like I don't know

if I want my kids to play football yeah because I've just got rock so many times

I was like that's true like I could I could have I could have been probably smarter

than I am but I mean now you ever get a nasty concussion playing football yeah I

had a few I had I think I had like four and that's just the major ones apparently

there's micro ones every time you hit someone yeah there's no telling you there's

no telling I mean we were I mean we were full blown like smash in each other in

practice yeah so I mean it got a little bit better as I was like junior senior

but I mean it's football at the end of the day too so I mean you're signing up to

really each other I'll set you up with a brain scan if you want yeah I just

took one that's scary also for me I was scared but it was worth it because I

learned a lot what did like what come out of TBI somehow I don't know I never

got a concussion growing up I just had one maybe from when I was super young but

we were able to fix it what exactly is TBI a traumatic brain injury so like a

concussion okay hard hit mine was a pass-through so I had it in the front and

the back of my home yeah but we got in the oxygen chamber got on the right

supplements so how did you someone where you just like I just want to go try this

out or did you be somebody they're like guys he's super famous doctor aim and he

goes on a lot of the biggest podcasts and he just a bunch of ex-athletes or

whatever go to him and he fixes their brain it's crazy like and it's

players like boxers I wonder what's going on I might have some crazy and you

could see if you have ADHD too that would I mean I don't know what what do you

even do if you have that well now it's a super it's a super power but when we're

going on like negative thing yeah it's like not a good thing but I'm like I'm I

mean I don't like it because I don't even know if I have it I mean I think

it hasn't been too hard on me I guess yeah these days with TikTok I feel like

everyone has it oh yeah there's no like you can just always your attention is

going somewhere else I feel like twenty for seven I must make your industry

hard to keep them listening right I think well I mean yeah I mean I don't

know because like it's also broadened it to where like there's so many

different like music is it's not country music and pop music and hip-hop and

rock anymore like there's don't even know there's all those are all still

genres but like there's the in-between where like now you have pop country

where you know I think you know two different genres are coming together

which makes it more fun to create because like now you're not in some you know

shell where it's like you can't like can't really do that now it's like you can do

it so I think that's actually been a good thing because now like the music

industry in itself is badass you know I think so too yeah you never know what the

song's going to be for is predictable for sure yeah I mean you're listening to

country music or you're listening to pop music now you have Morgan Wallen who

does damn near do it all yeah and I mean he's there's some of me go sorry yeah he

did a song with money bag he did a song with I can't remember there was

another was a snoop I can't remember I know like it's seen like like I don't

know if you know who Ernest is he's a like awesome artist awesome song right

or one of the one of the best but he's actually doing a song with snoop so

that's sick yeah dude I think like the crossovers gonna be so sick is now there

are no rules yeah I mean it's like let's go make some badass shit that people

love hmm it's like experiment I love it man yeah it's awesome man well Jacob

working people find you anything else you're gonna close off with man now I mean

you can find me on social on Instagram take talk at Jacob Hack with music

underscore got a song drop in April 11th when I don't check out my social media

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