Jake Rattlesnake;. Why Free Speech Feels Impossible Outside the U.S. | DSH #1818

Many of his scientists on tape years ago saying he believes that anybody who is not a Muslim is like cattle

Yeah, he's on tape saying this and this is no joke. These people are basically animals to him

You don't have to treat animals with any respect

You don't have to tell the animals the truth all you have to do is just treat them with whatever you need to do to have your ends met

So he goes to the UK and he is you know this huge journalist in the UK

You know it's lambasting the right wing and very pro immigration and he drives for that agenda

And now what is he live? Who now he lives in America and he's doing the same thing

And he's at the left wing protests saying how great immigration is and how Trump's are fascist

This guy is a Muslim subverteur

He is a pawn for Islamic immigration into the West

All right guys we got Jake of rattlesnake tv here all the way from Australia man

Literally just fluent now you must be exhausted

Yeah, I've just done like a 24 hour flight that I was seeing how we go

I just have one of Rick Flair's energy drinks

Yeah, let's go baby

I'm taking that flight next week so I'm excited

And I'm going to give you a whole itinerary list

You said you don't have many places

Just the zoo, Steve Irwin's zoo that's it

Yeah get that out of the way the zoo and then I'll give you the real stuff

I need good food I need good stuff

You want to go to the mountain towns as well

You want to go see some of the beautiful mountains of the beach towns

Yeah, I got you bro

But you're ready to leave huh you're ready to move out here

I think so man I think so I've been doing it over the last few months from Oz

And it's me and Andrew had our extravaganza show which is four times a week

And it's at 7am for me so normally I like to have a good morning routine and everything

So that can be a bit difficult but then obviously just

Lying up time with guests and everything

Yeah

Individual is really hard and I want to create a studio like this

Yeah, did you show it?

What cities are you looking at move if you potentially move out?

Probably go Dallas

Dallas

Yeah, Texas is solid

How did you and Andrew Wilson get close and how did you start the show and build out

Relationship

So I actually saw him I don't know if you've ever seen the debate that he did with Matt Diller Huntie back in the day older one

Yeah, yeah, so that was the this sort of real

That was his sort of launch pad that debate he was doing heaps of stuff before then

But I'd never seen his work and then I see this debate with Matt Diller Huntie

Where he gets out there and he just rips this guy's world to your part in the opening statement

And I mean this was just brutal

And by the end of it you can see Matt Diller Huntie getting really scared and nervous

And looking at the moderator and texting the moderator

Wow, and basically just looking for a way out

And so it gets to Matt Diller Huntie

And he basically says well he was mean to me and he was attacking me personally

Which he wasn't really he was attacking his arguments

And a part of that is is you

And then he just bailed out and he said I'm not going to do this debate

And I was just like wow, so I made a video on it

And I said you know I can understand some people might not

Think that the way that he communicates is overly tasteful

I don't really care about that

Tell me in the comments why you think he's wrong

No one could tell me

Wow

Then I reached out to Andrew and I was like do you want to come on the channel

So then it wasn't like a combative interview

But I was sort of prodding him about his world to you

Because I was definitely less

I was more moderate at that stage

And then he radicalized me

I was you over

Yeah he did

I was more moderate at that stage

And then when I spoke to him

It just made more logical sense to me

And a lot of the Christians that I'd sort of interacted with

I liked their message fundamentally

We have a lot in common

But I found a lot of them very ineffectual

If I'm honest

And a lot of them were very like doing a lot of tone policing

And a lot of self glazing

And it just seemed like very performative

It didn't really seem very authentic

But then with guys like Andrew and Jim Bob and Jay Dyer

We can have a beer

You know, together we can have a good time

But we can we also have very similar world view

And it's not so like taking yourself so seriously

And I think people just relate to that a lot more

That makes a lot of sense

You had a pretty established channel before you interviewed him

Yeah, yeah

I think I was already up at like maybe 600,000

So that's the best stage

For Australia, that must be massive

Yeah, definitely be one of the bigger ones

I mean, you've got myself

You've got Isaac Butterfield

If you know him

At the Barcelona

He's a comedian

Who sort of commentates on social things

You've got a guy called Friendly Jordy

Who has a big political page

But then otherwise

There's not really much out there

Yeah, so I think the US is definitely the next step for you man

Yeah, well I mean it's like

I like to compare it to playing NVA versus in the NBL

Like if you're a basketball player

You want to go to America

I'm playing the NVA

You don't want to stay in the NBL

So I mean I already sort of sort of play in the NBA myself

But I just need to actually move over here

But then it's the whole visa situation

Which is really difficult

Yeah, you got to find a wife man

That's it man

If anyone knows anyone

If anyone knows a good Christian girl

Under 25

Send in my way

What's dating been like

Have you attempted international relationships

Or do you date for the most part

Girls that live in Australia

I can't date Australian girls

Oh you can

Yeah, because

There would be some good ones out there

But it's just

You know one of the things that Andrew told me

Which was quite funny

In our first interview

Was he was like

Man

The feminism

It's in the water that you drink

And the air that you breathe

And I thought

That's so true

Is that bad in Australia

It's that bad

Why it's that

I thought the US was the worst

No, no

US

Australia is way worse

You serious?

Yes, Australia is way worse

The US has a big Christian base still

Like there's a lot of Christians in the US

You're still a very Christian country

You can go to a lot of places

And they've got these big conservative communities

And lots of Christians

And people sort of think the same way as you do

Like when I come over here

I'm like

It's like a breath of fresh air to me

To be like

Oh yes, I go get to go hang out with my best friends

Wow

But in Australia

If you tell somebody that you're anti-abortion like I am

They'll look at you like you've just said

That you want to genocide women or something

Holy crap

Has it been like that your whole life

Or is that a newer movement

Well I mean I've like I said I was more moderate

In my early 20s and everything

But then I think as you go down the logic tree

And as you sort of go down

And take this worldview to its logical extent

There's only

You know you can only hold off on these arguments for so long

And they're very controversial and everything

But if you're looking for the truth

Then that's an argument for me that

There's just

There's no justification

To be a pro-abortion

From a secular worldview or a Christian worldview

But anyways arguments like this

And having a worldview like this

People think you're some sort of a schnazzy

Or something like that

Do you feel like you can fully speak out over there

Do you feel like there's repercussions

When you talk about certain topics and all that

Oh there's repercussions yeah

Even after people out of there

Oh yeah man

Yeah sure

So you're in crack

Because I know Canada does that

But I never heard Australia doing that

Yeah man they'll destroy a lot over there

She is

Yeah it's bad

So have you been like shadow band or demon times

A lot of things I mean this weird space

Where I commentate a lot on American politics

I don't get that involved in Australian politics

I don't really get involved with these marches

And everything

There's a lot of big protests

That have been happening in Australia

In terms of anti-immigration marches

And I'm all for it and everything

However I do know that there is

It can be a little bit ashroturf

There is a few

Nefarious bits of funding going on behind the scenes

And all that sort of stuff

So there always is right

Yeah yeah so I'm sort of

Keeping it at arm's length if you will

But I'm in this weird space where I'm not really

Like I'm big enough to be

To for them to care about

But not big enough in the Australian scene

For them to really go after me like that

Yeah interesting

Yeah yeah that's very fascinating

It seems like a lot of countries are having an immigration issue right now

Man it's crazy

Yeah it's like I thought it was just us

And then I read other countries dealing with it on the news

And I'm like this is everywhere

Europe is

He's absolutely horrible

Yeah you just went there right

Yeah what was out like

Man if you're

What's your what's your go-to background

I'm half Irish half Chinese

Half Irish half Chinese

Yeah I've been to Ireland, been to UK

Actually no I haven't been to the UK

I flew in there

I heard it's bad out there though

Ireland's one of the worst

Oh Ireland is yeah

Wow

Yeah

Ireland they've got

Hundreds and thousands of migrants just being shipped in

Regularly by all of these NGOs and everything

So there are some things

Absolutely

Ireland is one of the worst in the entire

In the entire European continent

Because

Have you seen recently they've had massive protests at

And I'm not sure how much I can say on this

In terms of words and everything

If you guys have to beep things out

We might beep the crossing

But I can

Well there was recently

This is just one example

There was a huge riot in Ireland

Because there was a little girl

Who was in the

Like a government care

In one of these government agencies

And she was abducted and raped

At a migrant facility

So they have all these

Facilities where they keep the migrants

Whether they're nice hotels

Or whatever else

And these migrants will just stay there

And they'll let it go wander around

Throughout the day

All on taxpayer dollars

A 10-year-old girl

Was brought into one of these facilities

Abducted rape in the facility

Girls

And then the Irish people just

Started losing their minds about it

I mean as you would

And started writing

Started just doing all kinds of things

But this seems like a monthly occurrence now

That's terrible

I just went to Austria

And went to Vienna

You know, Vienna is like

The height of European culture

When you think about

You know, classical music

And when you think about

You know, sophistication

And high society

You think Vienna

Motes art, Beethoven, Strauss

You know

Um

It was just

Crazy because I went out of the old town

Into just

A normal suburb

And the churches that I went to this one church

Called the Church of Saint Anthony

It was a video of me doing it

And it's just

Completely and utterly

Desecrated the whole way around

Oh my god

Yeah, but it's awful

Man, it was terrible

And this is a place it's called um

I can't remember what

Frit-

I can't remember what the suburb's called

But um

It's

Completely Islamafide

You barely see any Austrian people there whatsoever

And these Muslims are just all around the church

Using it as basically a recreational area

Holy crap

Yeah, and then I posted that video

I got millions of views on

On Twitter and on Instagram

And I heard all these Muslims coping about it

Making videos

Saying I'm some sort of like a Zionist

Chill and it's like

Man, like

There's no accountability

That's terrible

It's a shame because when I was in high school in college

I always looked forward to doing like a Europe tour

When I was older and could afford it

And now it seems like it's kind of dangerous

Oh yeah

If I want to hit like a bunch of countries in Europe

You got to move really smart

Yeah man

Yeah, so there's a

YouTuber called Qaz

I'm sure

You know Qaz

And he does Latin America

He's been to all different places

He gets an Nicaragua

And Guatemala

And Columbia

And Venezuela

And doesn't have any security

But then when he went to Europe

When he went to Brussels

When he went to Paris

And these places

He has to get security

Wow

And it makes sense to me

Because I've been around

Latin America as well

I've been around

At Columbia

Argentina

Peru

Bolivia

Ecuador

All these places

And you can move pretty good

But then when you get to Europe

And when you go to the Islamified parts of London

And Islamified parts of Vienna as well

You don't get families coming over there

You get military aged men

Coming over

So these are the

You can imagine

Who's coming over on the boats

For economic opportunities

Not children

It's not women

It's men

Because oftentimes

These guys come from Arabic societies

Which have

High rates of polygamy

You know

And they have a big underclass of men

Who have no access to women

So like Donald Trump one said

They're not sending their best

They're not sending their best

But yeah

So you get a lot of these guys

Military aged men

Who are coming over to these countries

And just reaping all of the social benefits

Social welfare

And they see these white girls with

Their legs out

And they're like

Essentially they think of those girls as halls

Right

Because in their country

And where they're from

That's just not allowed

You know

They have burgers and everything

So they come to a European country

And they see a Swedish girl

Who's just half naked

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If you wanted to

But in Islamic culture

That's essentially the spoils of war

Oh my gosh

Do you see the spread of Islam as a measure threat

To the West?

Major threat

Major threat

In America, not so much

But I do think that they have to be very careful

When you look at places like Dearborn, Michigan

And when you look at places like

Is it Minnesota?

Where the Somali and guys running for office

And Dearborn, Michigan is basically

New York City too, right?

With Mamdani

Yep

So what happened in the UK

Was that the left wing

The conservatives in the UK have been pretty bad with this too

But the left wing governments are terrible for this

You guys like Tony Blair, the Labour Party

The Labour governments

They're very pro-immigration

They're very pro-EU

So the way that the European Union works

Is that they've got a European parliament

And you can elect representatives from your country

To go to Brussels

Which is where the European Union meetings are

And then they make decisions on behalf of Europe from Brussels

So you've got a few representatives

But then you have to compete with all of the other representatives

So you basically lose your sovereignty

When you're a part of the European Union

So then the European Union

We'll try and tell England

Or we'll try and tell Poland

Or we'll try and tell these other countries

Or you have to take X amount of Muslims

Or you have to pay this amount of money

And the Hungarians

They said, well, we'll just pay the money

But they try to do the same thing with England as well

And so that this is one of the reasons why England did Brexit

But they tried to leave

The European Union

Even though it's been reasonably ineffectual

The spread of...

Back to your question though

The spread of Islam

Is hugely, hugely concerning

Because what happens is they will go in

And they will use the left wing governments

To get them all in

But I mean

Anybody who knows anything about Islam

Know that they're not exactly liberals

They're not exactly liberals

The way that they think

But the liberals are the ones who enable them all to come over

And then you've got guys like Medi-Hassan

I know you

Medi-Hassan

Medi-Hassan is on tape

Years ago

Saying

He believes that anybody who is not a Muslim

Is like cattle

What?

Yeah

He's on tape saying this

And this is no joke

Wow

These people are basically animals to him

You don't have to treat animals with any respect

You don't have to tell animals the truth

All you have to do is just treat them with whatever

You need to do to have your ends met

So he goes to the UK

And he is, you know, this huge journalist in the UK

You know, he's lambasting the right wing

And he's very pro-immigration

And he drives for that agenda

And now he lives in America

And he's doing the same thing

And he's at the left wing protest

Saying how great immigration is

And how Trump's a fascist

This guy

Is a Muslim subverta

He is a

He is a pawn

For the Islamic immigration

For Islamic immigration into the West

And he works for Al-Jazeera

Who is like a Qatari media company

I mean, it goes deep now

I have seen Qatar funding certain people though, right?

Yeah, yeah, it is a little concerning

Especially if these people are living in America

Yeah, yeah

I think Americans sleep on the Muslim threat a little bit

In Europe it's sowing your face

Yeah

But they do have to be careful in America too

I mean

Well, if they take over Europe

I mean, they're coming out through us next

Let's be honest

Yeah, but America will be the next target

Yeah, I think that we're going to see a big civil strife in our lifetime

For Europe

I think that we're going to see a huge civil strife

Because

If you look back at the history of Europe

It's a series of conquests

And then reconquests

Between Christians and Muslims

So you have the Ottomans who invaded

Yeah, so you have Islamic caliphates

Who came in and invaded Europe

And they'd taken over

You know, parts of northern

Northern Africa

Like Algeria and Morocco

And these places

And Spain and Portugal

And then after years and years and years

Of Islamic aggression

That's when the Crusades started

That's when they decided

They had to do something about it

And push these Muslims back

Right

And then you look into the, you know, the

Battle of Vienna for example

That's another one

You look into like

Battle of Budapest

I was just there and I was

You know, looking at all of the

History of how the Ottomans came

And conquered Budapest

And they occupied Budapest for a long time

And eventually

The Holy League had to get together

Which is

The Polish and the Hungarian Empire

And even the Greeks and Italians

They got together

And they were like, listen, we have to do this for Christendom

You know

Put out differences aside

We have to repel this Islamic invasion

For Christendom

So there's a lot of historical context there

And right now we're at the stage

Where the Ottoman Empire

Could only have dreamed of having this many

Muslim

Military age Muslim men in Europe

It would be their wet dream

To see what has happened today

There's what, two billion, I don't know

Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't

Two billion, I think, in total

But I mean, just the amount of men in Europe

Living in Europe

That's, that those are assets

Right, if you think about it

Because the way that Muslims view the world

Is you have Muslim areas

And then you have combat zones

Right, so you have Muslim

Places that are run by Muslims

These different places in the Middle East

And then you have combat zones

And you know

Don't really say this as much

But that's just the way it is with them

And you know, when they go to a different place

This is not like

URI being an expat to a different country

And being like, oh yeah

We're going to go and move to

Let's say we're going to go to move to Jeremy

We're probably going to eat the

The German food

And we'll probably, you know, drink the German wine

And we'll be expats

They view it that way

Yeah, they view it as like a slow conquest

Because ultimately, fundamentally

What they believe is that

Allah is the truth

And they believe that Muhammad was the last prophet

And then this is the last hope for the world

So if they go and they spread Islam around the world

They are doing the work of Allah

That is so crazy to me

Yeah, so they really think that way

When they move somewhere now

Of course they do

Yeah, wow

Yeah, so they're playing the long game

Oh yeah, big time

That is really interesting

Have you, I know you're into debates

Have you debated any Islam yet?

No, I haven't debated any Muslims

I mean, I wouldn't

I don't think I'd be well

And I've versed on their theology

To really debate them and get into the nuances

But in terms of what's better for society

Christianity or Islam

Yeah, I would love to debate that

That would be

I'll try to set that up for you

Yeah, for sure man

Next time you're here

I've been doing a lot of religious debates

It's very interesting

So you've been Christian your whole life

I haven't, I was only

Well, I mean, I was born and baptized to Catholic

And I went to the Catholic school

But I'm not sure about your background

A lot of people have a similar story

Where they grow up

And they do our fathers

And all these sorts of things

And it's just kind of meaningless to you

Yeah

But then you get older

And then COVID is what really

Redpilled me about this stuff

Because

I was a big atheist before that

While I was in my early 20s

I was one of those reddit atheists

They were like

Oh, you believe in a sky daddy and stuff

And I worked at the Salvation Army

So I worked at a Christian organization

For a few years

And I would always make fun of them

And I would always be like

You know, you believe this guy walked on water

You believe he came back from the dead

And none of them had an answer for me

So I thought that I was too smart

And then the COVID stuff happened

And I started to perceive

What I could only describe as evil

Going on

And I started to look into the structures of it

And what was really happening

And especially the herd mentality

And you sort of

Started to realize

I know it's kind of a bit corny at this stage

But you sort of started to realize

How totalitarian regimes

Can come to power

Because everybody just follows

And people are so malleable

They're like sheep

On a mass scale

Like that mass formation psychosis

So I started to see all of that

And I'm starting to think

Wow, that's evil

But do I believe in evil

What is evil

You know

If I'm an atheist

Enough, I'm a materialist

And if I just believe that

Everything is just like material

And if I

All I am is just a complex series of atoms

And newtons and proteins

And if I lift my arm like this

It's only because of the complex process

It's not because I have a governing faculty

It's just the process

So if I really believe that

And what is evil

I can't put my finger on evil

I can't put it under a microscope

So I'm talking about something

It's purely metaphysical right now

So if evil does exist

Then is there an opposite

And if there is an opposite

Then what is that

And obviously

The

Typically that would be God

You know, for a religious person

And a few people I really knew and respected

Started to come into my life

And

And sort of talked to me about Christianity

Which was new

A guy that I really respected

His name is Stephen Shavira

He's a historian

I asked him

What do you think is the most

Important thing for a young man

To try and do to live a

Like a meaningful life

And he said

Just look into the life of Jesus Christ

And follow it

And I was a bit taken aback as I said

You're like a smart guy

And you believe in

You believe in that stuff

Hmm

And then so I started to go down the path

And you

What was it like you had the Bible

You started going to church again

Now I've come to it

Purely through logic

Oh god

Yeah

So that's the really interesting part about it

I think that there are a lot of

Very sophisticated

Logical arguments

For God

First of all

And also for Christianity as well

So

Like I said before

I think materialism is

Observed on its face

Because materialism

It posits that we are just material

You know

That we are literally just material

And there are a lot of things

That you just can't explain

From materialism

You can't explain consciousness

From materialism

Right

You can't explain love

From materialism

Or any of these things

You'd have to say

Well that's just like a chemical reaction

That's just

That's unsatisfactory for me

Consciousness

As much as atheists will try

You can't explain consciousness

The materialism

That's true

You can't explain out of body experiences

You know

So there are a lot of things

That I find very convincing

And also

You know Christianity is

Based on this

And I go through my own little rabbit hole

Sometimes I haven't

I've probably need to run these

By a natural theologian

But also Christianity

Is based upon the notion

That love

Is like a

Is the governing

Factor of

Of our life

Right

Everything is sort of

Run on this notion

Of love

In a sense

Okay

Jesus loves you

And

It's like

We have to love each other

As we want to be

To treat each other

As we want to be treated

Love your neighbor

Love your enemy

Etc

And when you really think about that

It's like

If there is a God

Say we can just sort of

Grant the presupposition

That there is a God

You then have to ask yourself

Well is that God a loving God

Or is that God

A vengeful

Malicious

Capricious God

Well I think that logically

It has to be a loving God

Because if it was a

Capricious God

Well then

Everything would be

Run

On the same sort of principles

On hate

And on fear

And all these things

But it doesn't seem to me

As though that's the way

That the world rounds

It seems to me

Is that the world rounds on love

Like we have to love our children

For them to be fruitful

And multiply

We have to love our neighbor

We have to

You know

And if we do

Love our enemy

That's the ultimate way

In which the world

Like can you imagine

If everybody really

Truly tried to show love

For their enemy

Or for for gives their enemy

Can you imagine

How much that would change things

Like

I almost can't even picture that

Yeah

Honestly

Yeah that just like

That's the hardest thing

You can possibly do

If you've ever really

F***ing hated someone

Yeah

That's why when I saw

Erika Kirk forgive the murder

I was here

I was

Brought to her in my eyes

Yeah

I don't see that often

Where people can do that

Yeah

And like

You know

I'm sure

Everyone has had things

That have happened to the

So fucked up in their life

And they think

They can't be a god

Because that's just too

Like why would god

Allow that to happen to me

Why would god allow that to happen

To my brother, my mom, whatever

It's a strong argument man

Like we have to really wrestle

With those

With those arguments

But is the answer

Malice

Is the answer

Revenge

Because where does that get us

If everything is based on a cycle

Of Malice and Revenge

Where will that get us

Yeah

Have a look at the 20th century

And have a look at what the communists did

And you'll see where that gets you

We'll see where that gets you

Agreed

Do resentment and malice gets you

Yeah

Do you believe in some sort of form of karma

I know that's not really a Christian thing

But like do you believe like

When you do good, you'll get good back

I've always found it's an interesting

Idea karma

Because

I think that karma is sort of

Logically makes sense to me

I don't think it has to be some sort of

Like a Hindu principle

I think that

If you're a good person

If you treat people well

Then that will come back to you

I've never met anybody

Who's honest

Hardworking, diligent, caring, respectful

Who doesn't have a pretty good life

Unless they're incredibly unlucky

But even generally those people tend to handle

Hard times

Pretty well

As well

But whenever I see people who are

You know dishonest

And who are just

You know

Trying to hurt other people

And trying to step on as many heads as possible

Those people don't maintain good relationships

Those people don't have a very good spiritual life

Those people generally tend to

Go from place to place to placing

And can't really stick with a friendship group

Or

Or something like that

So

The whole idea of karma to me has always made sense

In like a

In like a logical way

Rather than a spiritual principle

If that makes sense

Same here, yeah

Even though I don't time myself to Hinduism

I feel like karma just makes sense to me

Yeah

And I've noticed it in my own life

And with other people too

Yeah

It could be my particular activating system

Just picking up on it though

You never know because we're so biased as humans

Yeah

We're constantly looking

For validation on our beliefs

Yeah

So to be objective is a really tough thing these days

Yeah man

You know what I mean

So many people are just going to

Focus on what they already believe in

Yeah

Yeah

I think so

I mean you see that a lot these days

That's why I like debates though

Because debates you see both sides

If you come in as a viewer with an open mind

You can really learn a lot I feel like

Man I could not agree more

You asked me before how I got to Christianity

And that was probably the main way

To be honest

Like I've never had any sort of a real spiritual

I've had some things with prayer

That have been very

That have sort of like

You know blown my hair back a little bit

You'll be allowed

But logic has been the thing

That's really gotten me to this

And even I think that the god of the gaps is a really good argument

So the god of the gaps argument

People make fun of this a lot

But

Um

There are so many things that we can't explain

Like we were talking about before

Consciousness

And we could there's so many things that we just cannot explain

But if you put god

If you accept that there is a god that exists

Then so many things

So many more things just like make make sense

So anyways

There's that

But um

What was the question you got with the gods

Oh it was a debate format

That's right

Debating

So um

I'm very like

You know logic brain

Like this

So I started to look into it

And just really try and have an objective look

Into it and like what do I what do I believe

And then just ruthlessly attack what you believe in

That's the best way to do it

Because if your belief can stand the test

Of a ruthless attack from many angles

Then you you might be onto something

It's probably going to be bullshit at the end of the day

They might be onto something right

If you can do that to yourself though

That's a really good skill to have

Grace

So if you can have thought and be like I believe x

All right

And then if you can and I do this to myself all the time

I'm into I'm going to have it now after spending

Enough time with Andrew

Where um I'll just be in the shower

And I'll just I'll have a thought

And I'll be like

What do I think about this idea

And then I'll start attacking it

Every single different angle

And trying to rip that thought apart

And if it stands the test of that

And I'm like okay

I might be onto something here

I might be able to apply this

Yeah he just told me before we filmed

All of my beliefs are not true

Yeah

Yeah

Objectively

Yeah well I mean philosophy is for the most part bullshit

Yeah

Like all these beliefs

When you really think about it

Came from somewhere else or someone else

They're not your actual beliefs

Yeah

Right

You didn't create these

Yeah

Yeah

Now I got asked that the other day

By Jesse Lee Peterson

He goes to me

Do you make your own thoughts

And I was like

It's like kind of like making a sandwich

Well the ingredients are there

And I can use the different ingredients

And make myself a sandwich

You might be a shit sandwich

It might be a pretty tasty sandwich

But I didn't actually make any of the ingredients

They were I've bought them from the shop

They've done studies on the

Where thoughts come from

And like what percentage of it

Is conscious for subconscious

And I believe on majority

Subconscious thoughts

Yeah

Which people don't know where that comes from

Yeah

Makes total sense

Crazy right

So like I think it was

Close to 90% of our

Thoughts are subconscious

Yeah

That makes total sense

So we're not really in control of our thoughts

At all

Yeah

Have you ever

Like looked into some of the work

And what some of the more mystical work

That I've looked into

Of like Kali Young

And the archetypes of the unconscious mind

And this sort of thing

Yeah

So you've

Archetypes

Which is

And like Disney movies are based upon a lot of these archetypes

Which is sort of these like

Narrative structures

And ideas that we just

Fundamentally understand

It's almost like it's written into the story

Into the DNA

And some of the archetypes might be

The benevolent king versus the evil tyrant

And you see this play out in Lion King for example

This is why people love Mufasa so much

Because Mufasa is a benevolent king

He is a leader

He's a patriarch

But everyone really respects him

Because he's got the best interests of the tribe in mind

And he's tough

You wouldn't want to fuck with Mufasa

But at the same time

He has a tender and gentle side as well

With his son with Simba

Yeah

And he cares

But then you've got

Skar

Who is the evil dictator

And Skar is very sort of narcissistic

And he's very self-serving

And he's he'll stab you in the back

In a second

And what happens to Pride Rock

Pride Rock falls apart

Under Skar

So I think a lot of these archetypes

Even the Beauty and the Beast archetype

Is a super-interesting one

Like um

So you know the movie The Beauty and the Beast right

Yeah

Well the idea here is that

It's the feminine

Submissive sort of woman

Who tames the beast

And this is actually something

That plays out a lot

Within female attraction

And it gets really dark

But

The curious

So have you ever seen how females

They love what you'd call like a

Like Fairy porn

Fairy porn

Is that like the reading porn

Yeah exactly

So it's like

Things like Twilight

The other thing

Well

They did

There's this book called A Billion Wicked Thoughts

Right

And it's basically a bunch of Google engineers

They got together

And they were studying

The Google searches

Of

Of

Of people

And there's like a billion different Google searches

And they went into the

Deepest and darkest

Fantasies of women

What were women searching when they went on pornographic sites

And some of the main things that came up

Was

Vampire

Werewolf

Billionaire

Pirate

And uh

Surgeon

No way

Yeah

And so they're like

What the hell

Like what's going on here

But then you think about it for a second

What's the most popular book

With females over the past 10 years

Is it

Is it Twilight

That would be one of them for sure

For females

50 Shades of Grey

50 Shades of Grey

Yeah

What is 50 Shades of Grey

It's like this billionaire

Who's like this erratic

Crazy sort of character

Who

Who is like this

This like beast to the outside world

And then this timid

Like beauty

Comes in and she

Tames him

And then she gets to see a different side of him

But there's another movie

That's extremely popular with women

Called 365

And it's an Italian mobster

Who's like a mobster

And a killer

And this guy

Goes and captures this woman

And takes her hostage

For a whole entire year

And the whole movie is basically the sexual tension

Between them building up

And do they eventually

Fuck on a boat

While women love this movie

This woman was literally captured

But this Italian mobster boss

Is just like a sucker for her

And then there's Twilight as well

Why is she attracted to this vampire

Well all goes back to this archetype

And there's something about

What women really like

Which is the beauty and the beast archetype

They like the beast

Who can be

Tamed and civilized

But only by them

So I think a lot of men

Would do well to actually understand this

And not to be a beast in the sense

That you're like violent

And erratic and everything

But if you are for example

Somebody who's super ambitious with your career

And you're out there

You're conquering the world

You don't want to always be like that

Around your woman

You want to

On a quiet Sunday morning

You want to sort of let the veils

Slip maybe for a second

Then get up

And go to go to the gym

Yeah

No it's a very interesting concept

I think women have this deep

Deep attraction to men

Who are a beast in their own right

But who can also be loving and gentle

But they

Only they get to

Almost like they've tamed the beast

Right

Only they see that side of them

Yes

Very fast

And yeah

Nice guys finish last

Right

And that's classic quote

But so true

Yep

They're useful idiots man

Do you ever heard of a

Saying called

Sneaky fuck a strategy

No it is

This is interesting

So

You've got

And this is not me being crass

This is actually a zoological term

So the sneaky fuck a strategy

Is basically

In it with puffer fish

And a few other different animals

What happens is

You've got the alpha and the beta sort of phenotypes

Some of the fish

And so the alpha phenotypes

Are the ones who get all of the

The females and they do all of the mating

And then the beta ones

Who can't compete in the masculine hierarchy

What they actually do is they

Is they sort of start to look like the females

They'll try and actually

Like disguise themselves as the females

To try and bypass the male gatekeepers

And get away into the crowd

So that they can then get away

From the alphas

And then try and meet with the females

When the alphas are looking

And I think that this exact thing happens

With female feminist nice guys

In the human race

Yeah they get bypassed

Well the thing is

They are trying to

Game the system

So obviously there's a masculine hierarchy

And that what at the very top of that masculine hierarchy

Is guys who are big

Strong, competent, liars

Who are admired by other men

And who are wanted by other women

Well that's the yeah exactly

Well for you exactly

That's the sort of the hercules

And then at the bottom of the hierarchy

You have guys who are

Little short feminine their temperament

Not very ambitious

A little bit useless

Not very competent

So you can either

Spend your whole entire life trying to compete

In that masculine hierarchy

And trying to get to the top

Or at least get get

Up as high as you can

Or you can be a sneaky fucker

And you can grow your hair out long

And you can wear the colorful tight eye shirts

And you can go to the raves

And you can wear pink

And then you can dance with all the girls

And try and deceive them

Into sleeping with you

In some sort of like a drunken

You know, drug stooped hares

And you see a lot of these male feminists

Who try and look like the women

Whenever you see this guys with the long hair

And who wear like the tight singlets

And you know, just look very feminine

In their temperament

I truly think that is just a mating strategy

Very well

Yeah

Yeah, they're playing a short-term game

But I'm always about

Being the best person to yourself

100%

You had to play the long game

Yeah, you know

Especially these days

And even if you do get

They let you sleep with them or whatever

When a woman is pregnant

She's looking for a man who's about his business

Right

You know

And she's going to lose respect for you real quick

If she's depending on you

For protection and for provision

And you're

Oh, I don't feel like going to work

Today I stubbed my toe

Or I just don't

I want to have a mental health day or something like that

Yeah

Don't listen to any of that garbage

Just a cycle programming that's going on there

About

About

Becoming more feminized

Because a lot of guys get sucked into that trap

And this is how it happens

Sure, back in the day

Oh yeah man, it's brutal

It's brutal

I have to

They get sucked into this trap

And then they become useful idiots

For the feminist conditioning

Like

The women won't actually respect you

Women will respect men who have boundaries

Women who respect men

Who stand for something

Who are ambitious

And also who can tell them no

Yeah

Who can tell them to shut off if they need to

Yeah

Be quiet

But you've got to have some leverage first

To get to that position

Right

You've got to make some money

You've got to be doing some

Sort of valuable gain for the relationship

You've got to be a good horse for them to put their money on

Right

Yeah

Because it's hard to have that stance when you're broke

Yeah

You've got no leverage at that point

Yeah man

Maybe your looks but that's fleeting

Yeah

Looks is one thing

But like I said before

You know

It's when she's

Six months pregnant

And she's looking at you

To hold things down

Because she doesn't really want to stand up

She just want to sit there with her belly in

Being pregnant

Which is what she should have to do

Yeah

Just to be chill and during that time

Then you better be able to hold it down

Yeah

You know

100%

You want kids

Yeah

Yeah same here

Hopefully lots

When I was atheist I didn't

Yeah

I was questioning it too

I was uh

Atheist for like 10 years I'd say

Really

Yeah

A middle school high school and a little bit after

How old are you?

I'm 28

28

Yeah I'm 30

Yeah I would save right before the pod

Is when I started questioning stuff

The similar time period to you

And where are you at now?

I wouldn't time myself to a religion

But I'm spiritual

Yeah

I believe in a creator

Yeah

Yeah

And is anything that makes sense to you

And in regards to the nature of that creator?

Um

Well I believe in

I have a weird belief actually

Like I believe in things from multiple religions

So I believe in reincarnation

I believe in past lives

Believe in a creator

Karma

So I kind of just

Study a bunch of different religions

And take what I like

Do you ever find any of them logically

Contradicting themselves?

If I dug into it deep enough I'm sure I would

But I haven't done what you've done

When it comes to research

Yeah

And we'll hear if one of the references or anything

And just let me know

For sure

I think

Especially one of the things that is pretty

Red Pilling in this regard

Is looking into the resurrection

Of Jesus Christ

That's someone that really got me

Really

The fact that there's actually a lot of evidence for it

So you believe it actually happened

Oh yeah

Yeah

That actually happened

I did see articles about they found some

Scar for whatever

The Shroud of Turin

Yeah

That's crazy

Yeah

The Shroud of Turin is insane

Like

You know they thought that they debunked it

I think in the 90s they got a little bit of it

And they tried to carbon date it

And they said oh this is from like the 15th century

This is a hoax

But then they realized that they had actually gotten

For the wrong part

Because

It was burnt

The place that were where it was

Was burnt down a couple of hundred years ago

And so they got the wrong part

And then they did it again recently

And they got a different part of the Shroud

And it goes exactly back to the time

When

Jesus

Was killed

Wow

Right

And all of the

And like the blood soaked

Um

Shroud

It's like a

I think it's something like a 3D negative

Or something

I can't remember exactly what the term for it is

But basically

I'm a bit retarded

But it comes to this

The technological stuff

But basically

The only way in which that could have happened

Is if

Is if at the moment

At that very moment

There was an extreme blast

Like we actually couldn't recreate

The Shroud today

With all of our modern technology

Yeah

If they had to be an extreme blast

Like a massive blast

To

To make that

And then they've done like a 40 imaging of it now

They've recreated it in 40 imaging

You actually see Jesus lying there

It's crazy

That is fascinating

Yeah and there's just so many

So many things like that

And it's eventually after a while

You just think to yourself

You can keep on denying it

Or you can get on your knees

And you can

Yes

Start praying and see

And see if God opens it all

Yeah I wouldn't

I wouldn't say a deny

I would say I'm open

I used to pray

And I did use to see results from it

But that to me

I didn't know if that was God

Or just manifestation

You know what I mean

Because I would pray when like I had stomach ache

And then it would go away

Well I think that manifestation has to be God

Because manifestation

Whenever I see people talking about manifestation

I think to myself

Well that you're implying that there's an order to the world

Because if if manifestation is I think

And then I get

Or I drink it

Think and I go rich

These sorts of things

They all do make sense

But that would imply that there's order

And actually

That's a presupposition

That if you don't believe in God

You really can't have

Because atheists for example

Just believe that everything is chaos

Right

That there is no actual structure

In order to the world

So if there's no structure

In order to the world

And we're just

A cosmic accident

And we come from a big bang

And everything is just you know

Then why would there be metaphysical

Concepts

That are ordered and structured

Why would I be able to abstract

While why would there be abstractions

That can create order

Abstractions aren't even real

In the atheist world

That would mean that there is a metaphysical reality

Interesting

Yeah

Very interesting

Where do you stand on the destiny

Verse free will to be

Destiny versus free will

Do you believe as humans

We have full free will

Do you believe we are destined

To like do you think

You're destined to be here right now

No I think that we have free will

A hundred percent

Yeah

Like nothing's predetermined death

All that

We're going to die

Yeah I mean we're all going to die

But I don't think it's necessarily predetermined

I do think

I do believe in divine intervention

But I don't believe

So you've got the

With Christians you've got a few different

Sort of

Sort of ideas here

And there's actually really hard to wrestle with

These are very deep

And interesting philosophical ideas

With the Sam Harris argument

That doesn't make sense

Sam Harris is argument about the moral landscape

Doesn't make sense

Because he's basically trying to create

A

He's trying to create an objective morality

Through atheism

Right

But

Yeah

Like

It doesn't make sense

Because Sam Harris

Is ultimately a materialist

And with a materialist

You can't create

Good and bad

Good and evil

And these sort of abstractions

Because he just believes in materialism

So he doesn't believe in duality

He doesn't believe

Yeah exactly

Oh god

He believes that we're just material

He doesn't believe we have a soul

And he sort of

Like proper governing factor

Yeah I believe we have a soul

Yeah

Definitely

So his idea is that we

We have no free will

Because we are just chemical beings

Right

Just proteins and neurons etc

So nothing we do

Is actually us doing it

So then how can you create objective morality

How can if I was to lean over

And punch you in the face

Well it's just my atoms

It's just the chemical reaction

I didn't do anything wrong

According to Sam Harris

But then he's trying to say that

Things can be good and bad

And objectively evil

And it makes no sense

It doesn't matter

There isn't a moral landscape

If you're just thinking the way he thinks

It's just all chaos

But with Christians it's a little bit different

So you've got the Calvinist idea

And what the Calvinist think

Is that we don't have free will

That everything is predetermined

And it's a very strong philosophical argument

That's very hard to actually contend with

Because they believe

That if God is all powerful and all knowing

If they would ask you

Is a Christian

Do you believe that God is all powerful and all knowing

Well yeah

Well then he would have obviously known

That you were going to sin before you sined

He would have known

What you were going to do before you were born

So then he's actually condemned you

When you were born

He actually condemned you to hell

And he condemned certain people to heaven

We have no free will

Because God is all knowing and all powerful

But then

I think the other argument against that

Is that actually God doesn't operate

On the same sort of linear time trajectory

As we do

So he's not saying all right

It's, you know

November 2025

That's not the way that God thinks

God is outside of time

He's outside of space

He's outside of material

I've heard that argument

Where time isn't linear

Yeah

Yeah exactly

So I actually buy into that too

Yeah

Yeah

So what time is a construct

Yeah because this calendar was man-made

Yeah

Yeah

There wasn't the same calendar they used in the past

Yeah

So time is a construct

Like just like so many things

That we know

But it's an interesting debate

And it's very interesting

When you look at it through the Calvinists

And the Orthodox

Because that's a hard one to wrestle with

Yeah

Yeah I don't know where I stand on it

Because I work so hard

Like I feel like

I want to believe that we have free will

And like I earned everything I have in my life

But I do hear this destiny argument all the time

Yeah

I don't think so

I don't think that anyone's destined to be a child

Child know

Yeah

Yeah

So

I didn't know we'd get so filled up

Well I don't know where we're going to talk politics man

It's cool that you've done all this research

You know your history very well

I don't know this stuff

Yeah this is really cool man

Anything else you want to close off with your promote

Just

Breadle's night TV

We do a lot a lot of live streams

But I'm not traveling

I'll do five or six times a week

The extravaganza

With myself and Andrew Wilson

And then Rob nor a lot of the time as well as on there

We do that five game easton

Monday to Thursday

Easton time

And it's been great to meet you man

I really really enjoy what you're doing here

Yeah thanks for setting this up

We're about to have a fun debate here now

So uh

Stay tuned guys

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