James O'Keefe: “Fear Is Worse Than Corruption.” | DSH #1764

I felt the immigrants, sometimes they're vilified.

I think it's the system, the border being open,

and the NGOs in the United States that housed them.

It's all about money.

And I didn't know that.

I went into that investigation thinking,

oh, there's some sinister plot.

No, no, no, no.

It's all about money.

All right, guys, here at Amphast, last day.

And we're still alive.

We're still here, James O'Keefe.

We're still doing it.

Yeah.

I have so much energy.

I have so much energy.

I saw you at the RAV.

You had a lot of energy.

I, you know, movement begets movement.

So that's how it goes.

I was drenched in sweat.

Yeah.

It was, I was doing DJing, dancing.

I was singing.

I was producing.

I was directing.

We were in disguise.

It was a lot of fun.

Yeah, you had a great event, man.

Yeah, I gave a killer speech, too.

Well, thank you.

You saw that.

Yeah, I saw you call cash.

I saw that.

Because everyone's like, you know, I was rated

and the injustice is like, oh, call Pampondi.

Call Trump.

It's like, if the administration of justice

requires you personally call the person in charge,

I kind of reject the premise.

But okay, you know, I'll call cash,

but tell put him on speaker, left him a voice.

Now, you know, I don't think cash is a bad guy.

I think if you would, Jesus Christ in charge of the FBI,

he'd probably fail.

So it's just the nature of, you know, bureaucracy and corruption

and the system is broken and people are

bribed in blackmail.

But as a point, I called him.

Is there a, let's see what he says.

He hasn't called me back yet.

He didn't respond, doc.

No, man, I'm sure he saw it.

But yeah, he definitely saw it.

I know him.

I met him a couple of times.

I know his girlfriend.

I, I just think this, the system is totally corrupt.

And I don't know if it could be saved.

It makes you wonder how much authority he actually has over

because there's thousands of agents, right?

I think it's the illusion of power, the illusion.

If I put, again, if I put, you seem like a good guy.

If I put you in charge of the FBI, you'd fail.

I'd fail, we'd all fail.

Jesus would fail.

But, but as a leader, there are certain things you could blow

the whistle on it.

Yeah.

Like when Bongino, remember when Bongino tweeted out,

I've seen things in the depths of my soul.

Like, tell us what it is.

Why would you, why would you tease us, Dan?

I love you, Dan.

But just tell us what you saw.

So you could blow the whistle on what you see.

But that requires enormous courage.

We'll see.

Have you spoke to Dan since he announced his department?

No, I'd love to.

I like Dan.

I've been on a show.

And did you know the tweet I'm talking about?

Yeah, it's like a few months ago.

He's like, I've seen things that have bothered me

in the depths of my soul.

And I think we all want to know what that is.

Everyone thought it was related to the files

which got released yesterday, right?

Right.

Verdacted.

And I think people are afraid of what might happen to them

if they tell the truth about these things.

Yeah.

And if we all are scared, I think fear is worst in corruption.

Good people being afraid,

worse than greed and corruption.

Wow.

So if we're all in this together

and we just tell the truth,

we'll make it.

But if we're all afraid, we won't make it.

And a lot of people are living afraid.

I think fear is the worst thing in society.

Much, much worse than then evil people doing evil things

is good people doing nothing.

How did you get rid of your fear?

How do you get rid of fear?

You focus on the goodness.

You focus on the passion.

Like me, people have the wrong impression, I think, about me.

I'm an artist.

I'm a journalist, which is a form of art.

I'm focused on getting the story.

I'm not focused on the fear.

Don't focus on fear.

Focus on the beauty and the truth and the goodness

or whatever it is that you're fighting for.

Like I'm also a musician.

I'm also a dancer.

Yeah.

I'm a warrior poet.

I'm not focused on power and ambition.

And if you're focused on the ambition and getting power,

I think that's when the fear comes in.

But if you're focused on, I want the truth.

And I'm going to be tunnel vision on the truth.

I'm not going to let the secondary effects affect me.

That's psychologically how I do it.

And that's very exciting.

Again, I'm having the time of my life.

I'm not afraid.

Wow.

So that's how I do it.

So pursuing the truth or passion about the truth.

The passion of pursuit of the truth.

And it's exciting.

That's fun.

That's, you know, what a time to be alive.

Yeah.

And that's not focused.

Like everyone, not everyone.

But many people here are like, well, look what they did to Charlie.

I don't want them to do that to me.

Right.

And I'm like, listen, Charlie's death, wow, tragic.

Man, what a way to go.

You inspire a million people.

I mean, Charlie, I opened the Bible for the first time in 10 years.

I mean, he inspired so many people.

And people may not want to hear this.

But the outcome, we're all going to end up like Charlie.

We're all going to die.

The question is, how do you intend to die?

Are you going to die in shame doing nothing?

Are you going to go out valiantly and courageously?

You might gain a few decades if you do nothing.

And you know, you're in the background.

But I think you'd regret that.

You might die in shame.

And I said on stage, what would you give to come back to this moment?

What a time to be alive and tell the truth.

And I think that you are going to regret it

if you don't speak up in this life.

I love that.

Yeah, you're at peace with death already.

That's impressive.

I think that people who go through enormous pain,

enormous shit, incarceration, lawsuits,

you begin to have no fear of death.

I spoke to some of the guys that were incarcerated

during the Biden administration here.

And I saw in them like, what I read in the Google

log archipelago, I mean, these guys,

they have no fear of death.

And I was fired from the company I created.

And I've been through things that, you know,

we walked through the valley and the shadow of death.

You just, you're just not afraid of anything anymore.

What could they do to me?

What do they got to do to me?

So that's, you know, I don't know if people wrestle

with their own mortality.

I don't think people think about that.

But you start to realize that your days are numbered here.

So it's a cliche, but you got to get busy living

or get busy dying.

Yeah, I love how positive you stay even though you've seen

the worst of humanity with your investigation.

Well, there's a lot of humor in it too.

Like, you remember on the main stage, the professor,

at George, so I confronted this Georgetown professor

of journalism and I'm like, I'm James Oogie.

He's like, no, you're not.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm like, I'm James Oogie.

Then he runs away and he falls down.

That's all that.

There's a lot of absurdity and irony in the human condition.

And it actually makes me laugh.

It makes everyone laugh.

So there's a lot of humor and beauty and goodness

and irony in everything around us.

And I think a lot of it's your perspective.

So I guess you could say, I've been doing this for 20 years

and I just don't give a fuck anymore.

I have zero fucks given.

I'm going to tell the truth.

I think people want the truth.

They're hungry for direct truth.

And that's my style and that's where I've arrived.

You've done hundreds, perhaps, thousands of thousands

of investigations of what do you have one

that you're most proud of?

I think the film I made, it's called Line in the Sand.

I, with Anthony Rubin, a YouTuber.

I watched it.

I jumped aboard the train of death,

the train de la Morte in Iroporto, Mexico.

And I rode it with the Venezuelans.

And that, of all the things I've ever done in my life.

That, first of all, I thought that was incredible cinema

and I directed and produced that.

But I was most proud of that journey.

And what I discovered doing that,

and I had no idea what I would find,

like, you know, the immigration issue,

was the humanity of it.

I was, with these immigrants who were coming

from Venezuela, the United States,

and they're just trying to survive.

And I was, and it really moved me.

It was, in almost like, I ceased becoming a journalist

and I was like just a humanitarian.

Wow.

And I was participant.

And by the way, I think many of them are good people.

I mean, there might be some there that are bad,

but their mothers, with their babies, six months old,

and they're climbing aboard a moving freight train.

And you could get your leg chopped off.

Many of the babies get mutilated.

And these mothers, they have like a,

they're just holding a water and a bolsa.

And this is their entire life.

And they accepted me as part of their little group.

And I was just, I was genuinely moved

by their desire to survive and become American.

It's called line in the sand.

I think I'm most proud of,

I guess you could call that an undercover investigation.

And I was detained by the Mexican National Guard.

And they let me go.

Anthony Rubin was kidnapped by the cartel

before I did it.

These are brave people that inspired,

Anthony inspired me to do it.

And of all the things I've ever done,

and I was like, man, I could die.

Yeah.

Like this is like as close to death as I've ever come.

I mean, death is very close.

And I didn't know if I was gonna be okay.

And I saw these Venezuelans trying to get a better life.

And it kind of also made me feel like,

wow, you know, the humanity of the situation.

So that was probably the most,

I'm most proud of that investigation I did.

Sounds like it gave you a new perspective on immigration.

Everything.

It, I, well, I felt the immigrants,

sometimes they're vilified.

I think it's the system, the border being open,

and the NGOs in the United States that housed them.

It's all about money.

Right.

And I didn't know that.

I went into that investigation thinking,

oh, there's some sinister plot.

No, no, no, it's all about money.

And the people that are benefiting from it

are like you and me.

Just middle-class people that want a job

working for these NGOs, HHS, spending a trillion dollars

or billions dollars, funding it.

And the cartels making $10,000 per person,

there was one moment in that film

where I'm at the fence and I put,

I put, you know, these things.

I put audio recording devices on the border wall.

And I recorded the cartel cutting through the beam.

And I'm standing there.

And I walk up to retrieve the device.

And the cartel guys, they get scared

because they don't want to be filmed.

They go back into the bush.

And there's other cartel guys.

And they go, listen, they're speaking in Spanish.

If you don't go back there and keep cutting the fence,

we'll kill you.

And I was like, whoa, wow.

It's like, it gives you a whole new perspective

on good versus evil.

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It's called the light system.

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Cartel, they're gonna get killed

if they don't do the evil thing.

It's just, whoa, and I'm a filmmaker and I'm a journalist,

but where I'm different is I show I don't tell.

People talk.

It's easy to talk, but I don't want to tell you

I don't want to show you.

And again, it's called line in the sand.

We're gonna get it distributed,

whether it be on Netflix or whatever.

Great.

Netflix probably doesn't like me,

but we're trying because people need to see it.

It was very successful on Tucker's platform,

but the problem with that is that you have to be a Tucker Carlson

subscriber to see it.

I want everybody to see this film.

And we're gonna go back and do something like that again

in Europe or South America would have you.

How do people still not recognize you

when you go undercover?

How do people not recognize me?

In very complicated question,

but the simple answer is most people,

even some people here are so blinded by the love for themselves.

They're so in love with themselves.

I actually think this is why people

with any people in DC are actually homosexual.

I'm not kidding.

I'm not exaggerating.

Most people in DC are gay.

And the ones who are not openly are secretly gay.

And I know this, I'm an undercover person,

people tell me anything.

I think it's because there's, you know,

and I know narcissists as an overused word, I get that,

but it is, let's be honest,

we all have a little bit of narcissism in us.

But in Washington DC and in politics in particular,

people are so blinded by the love of power.

And they're so in love with themselves

that it's almost like they're in this little psychological

cocoon or they're not even paying attention

to the guy across them.

They will literally not ask me one question about myself.

These are not low IQ people.

These are Harvard educated people,

Georgetown professors, national security people,

people with top secret clearances in the Biden White House

are sitting across from me, not asking me one question

about me, why?

In short, they're in love with themselves.

And it creates this weird veneer

where they're making it all about them.

So my undercover people, I give them a book,

it's called, it's not about me.

It's a great book.

Be careful reading it because you could use it

for the wrong reasons.

And it's all about making it about the other guy.

Listen to the other person.

Be interested in the other person.

People think undercover work is like,

oh, we sleep with you, we don't do that.

You just express genuine interest in them.

And that's what nobody in politics actually does.

Did you watch the new, I know you did some

ditty investigations for a bit,

you interviewed the VP of Staff Jam at Leonard,

did you watch the new ditty documentary?

No, I need to do that.

I have not done that yet.

I admit that, and I will do that.

Did you?

What was it like?

It really painted him as a villain.

Yeah.

Well, I will watch that and get back to you.

And we did do an advertisement for anybody

with access to what happened.

And I think the black male,

people say, what's the biggest problem

in politics in Hollywood, black male and bribery?

They find the compromising information on you

and they use that against you,

or they pay you off.

And they both kind of feed off of each other.

That's why my show is called My Price is My Life.

Because I don't give a fuck about jail.

That, I'm kind of like the quote from,

was it the casino movie?

I'm stupid like that.

I don't care about jail.

I don't care.

You read books in jail.

I give you some time to think a little bit,

but most people have a price.

And sometimes the prices is, I get comfort.

We all have things in our closet.

We've all done things we're not proud of.

We're all sinners myself included.

And I think people are afraid of that being revealed.

The FBI came to my home.

I called my lawyer.

They snatched the phone out of my hand,

logged into my signal, leaked it all.

And I said, that's not going to,

I'm not afraid of that.

I'm not, that's not going to stop me.

That's, that's how I roll.

But most people don't operate that way.

And I think if we, what I'm trying to do

is get people to stop being afraid,

just be bold and be honest.

And that's what we're going to do.

Have you seen people be more outspoken

since you started doing all this?

Or would you say people are more afraid?

Well, courage is contagious.

And it, and it all it takes is one.

You know, Charlie, you know, Charlie's death,

you know, we're, we're here at Amphest

in the shadow of Charlie's death.

And I have seen some people say to me,

well, I don't know if I want to go in a journal

and say, because look what they did to Charlie.

Right.

Or John F. Kennedy, 60 years ago.

We're still talking about that.

Yeah.

And at the time people saw the bullet coming out,

the other side of the neck, right?

Or whatever the case may be.

Doctors saw it.

Thousands of people saw it.

And you know what those doctors said?

If they can kill a president, they can kill me.

And now they're saying if they can kill Charlie,

they can kill me.

And it's an unspeakable, there's actually a book

called unspeakable.

I hesitate to recommend it because it's so dark.

And it's about the JFK assassination.

And the problem is, you know, that,

that kind of fear is symbolic of us all.

If they can kill him, they can kill me.

But the good news is courage is probably more contagious

than fear.

So if you can find a couple guys who are really like brave

heart, that's so much more inspirational

than that, than that fear and anxiety thing.

And all it takes is one or two or three.

We don't need thousands.

We need one or two or three.

That's my mission.

I'm here at Ampest, 30,000 people.

Charlie goes, Charlie Kurt actually said he's James.

Who recruits some undercover people at my conferences?

No, what?

People don't understand us.

I don't need thousands.

I just need six.

I just need half a dozen undercover people.

That's all you need.

Really, that's all you need.

That's all you need.

That's all you need.

Because you don't want the team too big, you got spies,

you got rats.

You got it.

That's what happened in Project Veritas.

You have to have unbreakable people who are strong,

who cannot be bribed, cannot be cursed.

You almost have to be a disciple.

You're God fearing.

You know, you need to keep the team small.

So that's what we're here to do.

Keep your circle small.

James, talk to people this.

Listen to this, support you, watch your films and all that.

Well, I'd say OMG is the name of the company.

Citizen Journalism Foundation is our nonprofit.

We're tax deductible now.

Journalism is a difficult thing.

So we're a nonprofit to fund it.

And it's James O'Keefe, I-I-I.

That's James O'Kee, E-E-F-E-I-I on Instagram, Twitter,

and X and everywhere else.

Thanks for your time, brother.

Thanks, Sean.

Thank you.

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