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For Talarico, it doesn't really matter whether Cornyn or Paxton wins their runoff battle. Either way, the Texas Democratic Senate candidate says he is running against the billionaire mega-donors and their corrupt system. To flip the Senate seat, he says he is speaking to the hearts of voters, avoiding media echo chambers, and campaigning on being both pro-immigrant and pro-border security. Plus, Trump's broken promises, Cornyn may be more corrupt than Paxton, Apostle Paul's thoughts on God's sausage, and a Shermanesque denial of the vegan accusations.
James Talarico joins Tim Miller before a live Bulwark audience.
I'm your host Tim Miller. We're here in Dallas and our guest on today's show is
Santa Canada James Telleriko. We know we booked this. You're in a primary still and
so we decided to keep it as a surprise for people. So it's a nice pleasant
surprise here in Texas. How are you feeling? It's got to feel good to get a
little win under your belt during the real works ahead but you got to feel good.
I'm feeling good and it's so good to be in Dallas, Texas. Thank you all for the
world welcome. You know it's been great and I feel like people are finally
believing in Texas again that we can change the politics of the state that we
can push back against the extremism and the corruption in our government and I
think we're gonna surprise a lot of people in November in the state. You
don't think they're doing a good job here so far the incumbent you don't think
they're doing a good job right? I don't. I have just a few complaints you have a
few critiques. Well I want to talk about Texas in the Senate race to do a little
politics here in a minute and talk about some other stuff. We'll have a little
bit of fun at the end. You know it's a live show but we got to talk about the
news first and while we were back there just really came on Reuters reporting that
Trump is looking at bringing additional troops to the Middle East as part of
the Iran War. This obviously seems like it's escalating though you know who
the hell knows he could just turn around and quit tomorrow. We don't know with
him. What's your assessment of what we've seen there and just your
initial reactions to this war? Well you know as a millennial I saw how
military disasters like the Iraq war robbed this nation of young lives of
billions of dollars and of our moral standing in the world and I
worry that this president this administration is making the same mistake with
another forever war in the Middle East and I was a few weeks ago in San
Branch Texas which is just a few miles from here. That community doesn't have any
running water. It doesn't have basic sewer infrastructure. Every dollar we are
spending bombing people in the Middle East is a dollar that we are not
spending in our communities in this country and Tim we're we're always
told that there's not enough money for schools not enough money for health
care not enough money for veterans but there always seems to be enough money to
bomb people on the other side of the world and so I I think it is possible to
support the democracy movement in Iran it is possible to stop Iran from getting
a nuclear weapon without this kind of reckless military intervention. Oh we
even doing either of those things. Are we supporting a democracy movement in
Iran or maybe doing the exact opposite. Yeah I mean the the single best way to
empower the regime in Iran is to have this kind of bombing from America and
you're seeing them burning American flags when the regime was on its back foot
just weeks ago and so I worry that we've done the exact opposite and we've
empowered the extremists in Iran and we have weakened the democracy movement
in that country. Yeah I saw it today because of the closing the
straight of hormones and the bombing of oil fields and cutter and elsewhere price
of a barrel of oil now is up to a hundred and ten dollars. Do you have mixed
feelings about that at all? It is kind of good for Midlands. I mean the the sad
thing is that this president was elected to do one thing and one thing only and
that was bring down costs and now he is doing the exact opposite not just the
the price of gas but I mean the price of food the cost of housing of of
healthcare you know here in Texas our state leaders didn't expand Medicaid and
so a lot of our fellow Texans depend on the Affordable Care Act on those
subsidies and so these cuts to the ACA are hurting Texans in particular and the
estimate is two million Texans are going to lose their insurance because of
these cuts so this president who was elected to lower costs has actually made
things more expensive and I think it's why you're seeing such a backlash in this
state and in this country to me may know that the folks here in DFW flipped a
state Senate seat in Tarrant County. Oh yeah it was a it was a it was a it was a
district that the president had won by 17 points in 2024 and so this
community shocked the nation by flipping a state Senate seat and I think that
we're going to shock the world when we flip a U.S. Senate seat the other the
other kind of big war related news is the Trump's counterterrorism chief
Joe Kent quit the administration not a big fan and he Joe Kent fans not
dance Joe you know has quite a hit list as far as his background is concerned
but his resignation was basically pure America first it you know to include
it some conspiracy theories but it also said you know fundamentally when he
signed up for this you know he wasn't signing up for a war in Iran he wasn't
signing up for a war that was pushed by Israel as we're talking he's on with
Tucker Carlson right now it sounds like the FBI is now going to be
investigating him how do you how do you like process that how do you think about
that in Texas and you you're kind of big moment really maybe maybe not your
original big moment but on the national stage for those of us non-texans was
when you went on Joe Rogan you know and that audience like there's some
overlap people who really did believe in maybe the non-racist part of the
America first movement you know they didn't want to be in those foreign wars
so how do you think about like talking about the Joe Kent and communicating with
those people and offering something to that that constituency I mean again we
just talked about broken promises when it comes to the cost of living crisis but
there was also a promise made by the president during his campaign that he
wasn't gonna start anymore wars and now he's started multiple wars just in
the first year of his administration and so I I can sympathize with the
disillusionment that some of the folks in the MAGA movement are feeling and I
think this is this is there is bipartisan opposition to this war in Iran I hear
it from people across the state of Texas not just Democrats but
independence and Republicans too who think it's reckless they think it's
counterproductive and they think it is it is a wasteful use of our resources when
we have so many pressing priorities here at home so room in this Tel Rico
coalition for America first magnetize a mtg calls you up and says hey I think
before you I mean this I've told I've told people that if they want a small
insular group of people who agree with you on everything you should start a
social club but a political party is meant to be a big tent it is meant to be a
group of people who don't agree on everything but agree on the big stuff and
Tim I have you know in the course of the primary campaign I went to literally
every corner of Texas I went from Beaumont to El Paso from Amarillo to Brownsville
and I held so many events with with so many Texans who showed up I can't tell
you the number of people who came up to me at the end of those events and whispered
I'm not a Democrat like like they were in the witness protection program yeah
and and you know I'm I'm I'm I state to the very end of the events I shake
every hand I take every selfie I answer every question and you know you hear
that 12 times in a photo line and you want to tell people that they're not
alone that they yeah that they they can join this movement we're building
because it is big enough for every Texan who is fed up with the
extremism and the corruption in our government so that's a maybe then on
M.T.G. I'll take that as a maybe no you know but endorsements you take
endorsements out of state you never know I don't know she's going through some
shit I mean and to be that to let's I mean to just in all seriousness like we
should be extending an open hand rather than a closed fist to those people who
are questioning their past support for the president or their past support for
the party like I I do want to welcome those folks into our coalition I I'm
really not interested in purity politics like I I am interested in building
political power so that we can transform this state in this country and improve
people's lives like if you don't win political power you can't help anybody
then you're just doom scrolling and complaining on Twitter okay which
this feels like it ever does that feels like it's called us up to you that that
that is the purpose of politics is to win power and improve people's lives and
that requires persuasion you know there's this there's this thing in in my
party here in Texas where you know people will say that Texas is not a red
state it's a non-voting state and I understand where they're coming from in
Texas does have one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the country but
there's there's also a point where that argument is used as an excuse not to
persuade people who aren't with us and that is so deadly in a democracy because
the whole point of this democratic experiment is that we're supposed to make
our argument we're supposed to make our case and we're supposed to win hearts
and minds that's how you build a big enough coalition to govern and I want us to
get back to that in the democratic party there was a a feeling for a long time
that everyone secretly agreed with us and if they didn't they were a big
it or a racist or a misogynist and we didn't need their support and I hope that
the 2024 election was a wake-up call to everyone in our party that we have to
start reaching out to people who aren't with us yet and building a bigger
coalition I love that because I do yeah that's you're speaking my language because
there is I think this weird view that all of the non-voting Texans are just
like Democrats just haven't come woken up yet they're all resistance liberals
I think somebody that doesn't launch the news and doesn't vote and doesn't
care about what's happening they might be for Trump well well so more I mean
just saying I so a couple things we don't want them to know I am I we on our
campaign we this is something you and I haven't come in I did the episode
of of surrounded on YouTube and I sat down with 25 undecided voters in
Texas and it was a conversation that was wide-ranging and I think something if
you go back and watch that episode on YouTube you'll you'll realize a truth
about politics which is that undecided voters or non-voters they tend to have
pretty heterodox opinions about weird opinions yeah and we you know and that's
a good thing like I honestly think there's there's two in within the parties and
within among partisan people like there's way too much rigid orthodoxies that
can never be questioned I love that people who aren't really into politics they
kind of have a grab bag of some progressive use some conservative use you talk
about Joe Rogan you know Joe Rogan is for a universal basic income he's for
universal health care and so you can you could try to put him into a box but he
doesn't fit into a box and most Texans most Americans don't either and I think
we should embrace that and I think it's it's a mistake that hyper-political
people make when they think that all these non-voters or you know infrequent
voters somehow secretly agree with them on every single plank in the
Democratic platform I don't know about you but I loved doing Jubilee I
have to like I wanted a cigarette and I said to the guys I was like can we do
this again tomorrow I just it was I don't know it got me you know my synapses
firing I mean I I get bored very easily and it's why I enjoy it's why I enjoy
serving in the Texas legislature because it's like being a lion's head all the
time and and it's why I like going on Rogan I like going on Fox News I like
going on the Christian Broadcasting Network and I love doing Jubilee because it's
an opportunity to change hearts and minds and like that's so rewarding that no
offense to MS now but I just I I don't I don't feel like I'm accomplishing as
much when I'm in the echo chamber and sometimes it feels good to be with people
who agree with you and it's sometimes fun to preach to the choir but I don't
feel like I'm doing any good in some of these media spaces like I feel when I'm
on Jubilee or on Rogan actually reaching people who aren't with us yet totally great
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Mark Wayne Mullin from up on the other side of the red river was he had his confirmation hearing
today was that's kind of there's some fireworks it's kind of interesting because he had previously
basically said that Rand Paul's neighbor like had a few things right when he kicked Rand Paul's
ass and Rand is the chair of the committee that he needs to be confirmed through so yeah awkward
so there's like a lot of back and forth and then he refused to apologize yeah he wouldn't even
just say sorry man you know things got a little heated he wouldn't do it so you know that
confirmation is I think really hinging unfortunately on John Federman so we'll see what happens
with that but I guess the obvious question is you you would be a no on Mark Wayne Mullin I would
I would and here's and here's why I mean I would be a no on any potential secretary who is not
willing to tear down this secret police force and replace it with an agency that's actually
focused on public safety you know I you know this time before I was a politician I was a public
school teacher in San Antonio Texas on the west side of the city and and I taught a lot of
undocumented students and those students tended to be my most patriotic students yeah they they
understood something about this country that a lot of us who are native born forget that this
is supposed to be the land of opportunity that this is supposed to be the place where dreams come true
and they believed that in in their bones and they believed in this country even when this country
didn't believe in them and so the fact that we have the most powerful politicians in the country
terrorizing my former students and their families people who work hard every day to contribute
to this economy into this country to me as immoral it's unconscionable it's unacceptable and it has to
end I um how does I mean we we should be cracking down on the cartels not our communities we
should be deporting gang members not small business owners yeah we should be hunting down human
traffickers not moms and babies this is something that I think most Texans agree with and on and
this is something I said on jubilee it was the failures of my party it was the failures of the
Biden administration that opened the door to this extremism that opened the door to mask men
and unmarked vehicles kidnapping people off our street so both parties have failed us on this issue
over the last 30 years I think Texans and Americans are just looking they're looking for leaders
who are going to hold two things in their mind at once being pro immigrant and pro security
because like we've been told those are mutually exclusive and they're not yeah um you know I saw
on the internet which isn't real life you got a little shit over that what you were saying on
surrounded about how it was you know the mistakes of your party that that led us here and a lot
what a lot of people would say is well what about the James Langford bill that Donald Trump blocked
and the Republicans in the Senate blocked like there's something to that right like Donald Trump
wanted there to be chaos because he wanted to help his election absolutely but that was in the
fourth year of the Biden presidency right there were three years before that so talk about those
three years like what you think they should have or could have done differently well and the proof
is that they were able to get the border under control four months five months before the election
right and so they knew how to do it and I've heard from people who served in the in the Biden
administration who said that uh the administration the president himself they were listening to
these groups um for people who aren't super into into the infrastructure the democratic party um in
recent years there've been a series of advocacy groups that claim to represent the interests of
different communities like here in Texas but actually have no real connection to the actual
people on the ground and those groups convinced the administration that it was racist
to support border security and nothing could be further from the truth it was it was my colleagues
in the state house who served border communities in south Texas in alpasso who were constantly telling
me about the chaos in their communities because of the Biden administration's policies and that is
not compassionate chaos is not compassionate and we as democrats were the party that's supposed to
make the government work for people and this was a prime example of government not working for people
and again you know i i the republicans have been attacking me by uh taking something that i say
about uh the border and and basically cutting it out cutting it off mid-sentence i usually say
yeah so i i have said throughout the whole campaign that our southern border should be like our front
porch there should be a giant welcome mat out front and a lock on the door meaning you can welcome
hardworking immigrants who want to contribute to this country and keep out people who mean to do us
harm not mutually exclusive goals but the republicans don't want you to know that those two things are
possible and so they post this clip and they cut it right before i say lock on the door so it just
sounds like i want open borders but um i think i think this is where most Texans and most Americans
are out on the issue and it's why they're frustrated with both parties because in the democratic party
they see a party that's pro-immigrant but doesn't seem too concerned about security then they throw
us out they elect the republicans a party that's very concerned about security and seems to be pretty
anti-immigrant yeah and they're dissatisfied with that too so they want a party they want leaders who
are going to hold both those values together at the same time yeah you did uh you did pretty well in
Rio Grande Valley and with Latino voters during the primary um i've had Bobby Toledo in the show who's
running down there uh this is a good guy uh run it for a republican seat there uh so thank you
with the general election like this was a huge shift you know over to republicans and i think
that was caught a lot of democrats by surprise right because they convinced themselves that there
was a demographics destiny argument that how could any Latino vote for Trump because he's obviously
racist which he is and like and so it's like we don't need to try and when i talk to Bobby or i
talk to some other people you know in that community oh you hear a lot of is like two issues one
was border security what you're just talking about and the other is faith you know like a lot of
folks in those communities are Catholic or or Protestant uh Hispanics that feel like the democratic
party you know is godless or whatever as a short term like what is your plan for kind of re-engaging
those voters that were lost yeah and you know my family is from south texas my mom grew up in
Laredo on our southern border and yeah it's like his panic so so it's a val at the end it would
count it i uh it was just me and my mom uh when i was born and she was uh she very heroically left
uh an abusive situation to protect me and and um in sure i had a better life but the luckiest
thing that ever happened to either of us was meeting mark teloriko who then adopted me gave me his
last name and raised me as his own and he uh the uh hey shout out to mark teloriko um anyway his let he
is a first generation um american his family um came to this country from Italy so it's an Italian
last name but um but down there you know i i say teloriko they say teloriko which is much prettier than
you know i say well that are yeah but um but anyway but you know south texas one of my favorite
places in the world um the reo grand valley is one of my favorite places in the world i went down
there a lot because the reason democrats lost support in south texas and among hispanic voters across
the state is because we took them for granted we assumed they were a part of our base and we stopped
showing up we stopped competing for their votes i was told uh by my state representative that i
grew up with when he was teaching me about campaigning um he said you always have to ask for people's
votes and that sounds obvious but it's actually something people don't do in our politics anymore
you have to you have to ask for someone's vote you have to earn their vote you have to you have to
actively compete for it and so that's what i did in this primary campaign i went down to south texas
more times than i can count i went down to the valley a ton and and i listened uh i i heard their
concerns both about immigration but honestly primarily about costs um it's this cost of voting
crisis that's crushing people all over the state but especially folks in south texas and then we
developed a policy platform in partnership with them that could meet those needs and uh and i think
showing up and listening is is half the battle in politics and it's where our party should do a
better job of among all communities not just Hispanic voters i've been listening to uh you know a lot
of your speeches and your pitch over the past couple of weeks uh both during the primary and kind of
sense and and you talk a lot in this question of okay look trump got about a million and a half
more votes than come right so what we were talking about earlier there's got to be persuasion
and it's there's a turnout element to it there's a persuasion element and and you really focus in
the persuasion element on this top down politics like getting out of the culture war getting out of
the left right focusing focusing on the top down and i and i i believe there's something to it i also
worry though that like the cultural rift between the democratic party and parts of america and parts
of texas is very real and just like pretending like that isn't a kitchen table issue you know
pretending like they're not going to talk about whatever it is covid or trans or whatever whatever
anything like i i think that that's a losing bet right and that there has to be some engagement
on a cultural level to get people to listen to you how how do you kind of react to that well one
you were just talking about faith and um and it's in it's centrality in the lives of so many texans
and that people feel like the democratic party is hostile to those cultural values and they're not
necessarily wrong about that someone pointed out to me that every world religion is mentioned
in our party platform except for christianity and there seems like a pretty glaring omission uh
and that's you know i the agency is a page for like liberate literally every group you could imagine
like Hawaiian nationals shout out to our bad boys or white people yeah and that's just like a
and that's the point is like i get where the where that um i get the instinct sure and that is to
look out for people who are bullied people who are or who are on the outside and i i like that
instinct in the democratic party it just becomes a problem when that turns into pushing away people
who are in the dominant group who could very much be in our coalition there are i think so many
people have faced so many Christians in this state who who sympathize with the democratic party
on a whole host of issues immigration maybe being at the top of the list and they are just
they're waiting for a candidate campaign that's not hostile to those values and who's willing to
connect with them on these conversations of faith and spirituality and i think it's what's so
powerful about the movement that we're currently building in texas is that um we are building bridges
about things you know that are honestly deeper than public policy are you going to be able to go
into the mega church though oh absolutely the other woke church every every town's got the church
with the pride flag we love them we appreciate to be welcomed well and you're gonna go to see
Jolo Steen too i would love to i would love to visit i would love to visit his church uh i i um
i mentioned that i go on to Christian broadcasting network because you know i want to extend an
open hand to our to my brothers and sisters in Christ who are a little more conservative than i
am uh and and i think that kind of outreach will will allow us to build a coalition big enough to
win in a place like texas and it's been a long time since we've had uh leaders in our party who speak
openly and unapologetically about their faith and that's necessary because people have to
communicate their why and for me it's my faith but it may be different for you but
democrats always speak to people's brains instead of their hearts and their guts and every single
human being in this room across the state we make decisions with our heart and our gut and then
our brain justifies it that's where every person works but as logical as we all pretend that we are
and so if we as if we as political leaders we as organizers are not speaking to people's hearts
first then we're committing political malpractice and it's something that our campaign tries to do
everyday is focus on values before we get into policy minutiae because those values are unifying
and are transcendent and i think it has to be at the forefront of our political discourse in this
country all right let's have some fun okay i'm having fun you know it's the bulwark podcast
okay we're not gonna really have fun until we start dunking on the other guys who are you
running for in that other primary there's still working things out over there they are they are
uh gotta gotta root out interest you know i said i said on uh on election night that it doesn't matter
who comes out of this republican runoff because we already know who were running against we're running
against the billionaire mega donors in their corrupt political system and and i think
john corner and ken pakston embodied the corruption in our politics obviously obviously
ken pakston's crimes are well known and and you know i was i was part of the bipartisan majority
in the texas house of representatives that voted to impeach our corrupt attorney general
but don't laugh when i say this i think john cornering may be even more corrupt than ken pakston
and here's why yeah i'm ready for the pitch john cornering uh by the way he was first elected
to public office six years before i was 12 uh he uh he got to the senate when i was in middle school
actually uh and john cornering just last year was the deciding vote on that big ugly bill
that that big ugly bill that's gonna kick millions of texas off their health care
that big ugly bill that's gonna take food out of the mouths of hungry texas kids all to give
yet another tax break to his billionaire donors and so ken pakston ken pakston was impeached
for using his public office to enrich his donors and that's exactly what john cornering does
at the biggest scale and so we oftentimes think of corruption as something that's illegal
but corruption is is really just the betrayal of the public's trust and by
and by casting by casting that deciding vote on that big ugly bill john cornering
committed an act of corruption at the highest order it's also yeah and it's also even
of even the paper brown paper bag corruption it's like john cornering pretending like he cares about
ken pakston's corruption give me a fucking break he's in the senate what about what about
Jared's money from mbs what about the crypto money that don't junior and Eric are making
where's john cornering on any of that well and like i think ken pakston actually believes in his
extremism yeah i'll give him that i think he's a true believer yeah john cornering though is
the worst kind of politician he will believe whatever he has to to hold on to power yeah
and and i think that's like what people across the political spectrum are really fed up with so i
just believe that neither john corner nor ken pakston deserve the honor of representing this great
state in the united states senate ken pakston is loves his side pieces you know he loves them
earnestly um there's you know there's something honest about that uh
john cornering back to him did that i heard that every city is big john cornering
i'm wondering if there is anybody in public life more emasculated than big john cornered
sitting in daddy trumps cuck chair like he's now he's getting rid of the filibuster he's flying on
daddy trumps plane whatever you want sir whatever you want mr trump it's not doesn't give big
john cornering to me and that's honestly it's a you know one of the great things about this state
is that we value independence um we like people who think for themselves and i think what people
are looking for in the next US senator from the state is someone who will think for themselves
someone who will push back against the powerful people and either party and someone who's
going to do right by texas i think that's what we don't have currently and it's something people
are hungry for uh from their next US senator sarah asked me backstage if i thought big john cornering
was non binary and i was like that's a sensitive topic something like mark levin situation um
um okay do you have any uh well i guess uh one more thing before we get to the rapid fire round
is john cornering you know kind of solved the Damascus love for getting rid of the filibuster
do you see any encouragement out of that where where would you end up being on the filibuster
well in this case i agree with john cornering because i think we should abolish the filibuster
so that we can actually we can actually govern in this country i mean people of texas they vote
for leaders from a certain party and they want to see the results of that vote whether it's
the republican party or the democratic party what's happening now because of the filibuster
is they elect one party they see nothing getting done they don't see any improvement in their lives
and so they swing wildly to the other party and then they see more gridlock and so i think what
needs to happen is we have to improve this this feedback loop between the voters and the people
that represent them and people deserve to see the the results of their vote and then they can
make judgments about whether they want to continue slashing health care and slashing
food assistance for hungry kids or starting more forever wars and then they can
make a judgment and and adjust accordingly um right now they're not able to see the results of
their vote because of the filibuster so i'm all for a talking filibuster but this situation where
you know a certain number of senators can just veto any action to me is just a recipe for more gridlock
are there any senators up there you think you're doing good are there anybody on a model yourself
after absolutely i mean i um this probably doesn't come as a surprise but i'm deeply inspired by
Reverend Raphael Warnock he's great because not only not only the way that he you know balances his
his role as a faith leader and his role as a public servant in a healthy and responsible way but
also because he knows how to flip a red state and we i think in texas take a lot of inspiration from
what they've done in georgia and we're going to follow the same playbook so that we can end 30 years
of one party rule in our state that reminds me of one other question point got to rapid fire um
Reverend Warnock was invoked uh in your heated primary uh where you know there were some issues
across racial lines i think there's been some concern that like one of the things that could hold
you back in the general is whether black voters are going to be excited enough to turn out for you
and i'm just kind of wondering how you're thinking about that and how you're communicating with that
constituency well i'm thinking about a lot it is my top priority uh right now and for the next
few weeks and months is healing the divisions from this primary and i talked earlier about
taking people for granted taking communities for granted and that also applies to black voters in
the state and so i'm going to be doing the work to earn the trust and the respect and the support
of every black texan and that means showing up in the community in fact you know i'm here in Dallas
tomorrow uh morning i'm um i'm participating in a roundtable of black faith leaders here in dfw
and that's just one example of the kind of work we're going to be doing in the weeks and months
ahead so that we can bring our coalition back together and do something really special together and
that's finally win state wide in texas all right here we go rapid fire we have a meat section
and a texas section in the meat section first how big is god's sausage would you say
we know god is a man and so i'm just wondering like how healthy his hog is so
so i know this is rapid fire but let me just because
don't already answer no yes or no um listen i i know that i was that i was being provocative
with with that comment i made it on the floor of the house when the extremists in the texas
legislature were trying to pick on kids who were different and while it's maybe provocative
politically i don't think it's controversial theologically most christians believe that god is
beyond gender and in fact the apostle Paul in his letter to the Galatians says that in Christ
there is neither male nor female so if you have a problem with what i said don't take it up with
me take it up with the apostle Paul second apostle Paul reference of this podcast that's a first
that's a first um i guess all the mascus is kind of close okay otherwise in the meat there's a
video going around if you talk to him about i guess one of your state rep campaigns was a vegan
campaign or uh which i don't know i'm looking side i add as a former Republican uh where you at
on texas meats what are your favorites are you a vegan one yeah thank you for asking this very
important question uh because because this is a very serious allegation uh to make in texas so i
want to just i want to say this definitively and categorically that i deny all accusations of
veganism okay and uh you know our campaign basically runs on barbecue these days uh you ask my
favorite uh i will give a shout out to i think the best uh barbecue joint texas which was in my old
legislative district in taylor texas Louis Miller barbecue if you ate all right check it out next
time you're in taylor uh best brisket you're gonna find so that's my pleasure i'm a hipster so i'm
going to love barbecue in austin tomorrow but uh sorry guys um you know it's not up to i'll give
you the authentic shit when you're asking me about crawfish out to fail okay i'm going to the
hipster tourist joints in texas um all right we close the podcast with the song we're here in texas
obviously bob wills is the king down here i'm wondering if you could give us maybe you know i don't
know like uh around uh what's what's a hill in the health country if you did a Mount Rushmore where
would the hill be in texas do we have a hill a hill do we have a hill anywhere oh oh yeah we have
a hill country yeah we could do the chisos mountains in big bend okay so a big bend if we're
going to make a texas musician oh who do you think we put up there oh my god so
so so one i'm going to start with the king of country music George straight uh uh then i'm going
to add um i'm going to get i'm going to add salina quitenia uh the queen of tehano music
then i'm going to add uh the patron saint of austin texas willineelson and then i'm going to close
it out with one more one word musician and that's the answer yeah that's right all right
ain't no hold on that's James tell rico he's running percent what do you know
i appreciate you thank you thank you thank you
i wouldn't be a will a fan
nobody swelm the reo grand i wouldn't be an american
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