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Jay Leno was on Judd Apatel's podcast,

and thanks Justin for sending this one in.

They started to discuss the Mount Rushmore of comedy.

Always a fun topic, and I don't know what to do with it,

because I think people have a recency bias

and get a little crazy, and we want to put somebody

who's currently performing up there,

or like sometimes a shooting star.

You know, these things are hard,

and you only get four spots.

So for me, George Carlin, Richard Pryor,

and two, I don't know, is that any given day

I might give you a different answer.

Carlin is undeniable,

including if you listen to the very, very late

George Carlin material,

which at the time was described by people like me as angry,

boy, has it aged well.

George Carlin is somehow the great prophet

of the 21st century.

So he's undeniable.

The other one who's undeniable is Richard Pryor.

There are plenty of disciples of Richard Pryor,

starting with Richard Pryor Cover Act Eddie Murphy,

who I love, but let's just be real about it.

And you can see Richard Pryor descendants

to today's comedy.

Now who you would put in the other two,

I don't know, like, so part of it is,

how do you define the genre?

Is Johnny Carson doing a monologue for nights a week

for 30 years?

Should he be in the list?

Bob Hope for 80 years,

and don't judge Bob Hope by what he did

in his 80s and 90s.

Go back and watch the young Hope.

Should he be there?

Why are there any women on the mountain?

Okay, should we put, say,

Joan Rivers up on the list?

I don't know.

So Carlin Pryor, I don't know, I don't know,

but Jay Leno gave his list.

And listen to the name he uses for comedian number one.

I've never heard anyone call this person this other than Jay Leno.

Okay, my father would be Richie.

He was Richie Pryor when I know now he's Richard Pryor.

But Richie Pryor,

he would go on the guy,

he was getting ready to do live at the sunset strip.

The first filmed comedy special for theaters, not HBO.

And I follow him every night because you couldn't follow Richie.

And I realized I didn't have an hour worth of material.

I had maybe 18 minutes,

but then I just realized throughout everything

that doesn't get a laugh.

All right, Richard Pryor.

Jay Leno and I are aligned there.

Let's see who Jay Leno had as number two.

Two Robert Klein.

Because you have to understand Pryor Robert Klein.

Most comedians were men in their 30s of 40s

that grew up during the Depression.

And then it gets today when he's hippies with the long hair.

That was all that kind of stuff.

Suddenly here was Robert Klein, middle class guy,

talking about things I would talk about with my friend.

Because I couldn't be depression-era stuff

or make fun of the music today

because that was my generation.

Interesting pick.

I think Robert Klein has been largely forgotten.

His name never comes up.

Very, very interesting.

All right, at number three, Jay Leno, who do you have?

Next to be Bob Newhart.

Well, he was the close up magician of comedy.

You know, Newhart had the great,

it was like a slider,

like an inside fastball.

He had a bit about the first astronaut

to have extraterrestrial communication.

So it comes down from the thingy lands.

And of course, he's the first astronaut.

So all the press is asking him questions.

And a reporter says,

how far ahead of us are these aliens?

And he says, about six weeks.

And you know, it's two weeks is too soon.

Six months is too far ahead.

But six weeks, you cannot catch up.

You know, it's finding the right turn of six weeks

is exactly what's not crazy.

Again, as time marches on mentioned a little less

and less a unique voice.

One of the greats, Rushmore.

I don't let's another thing.

All right, Jay, who do you have for number four?

And of course Rodney Dangerfield.

Rodney Dangerfield was the economy of words.

He could get to the joke quicker.

I knew Rodney for 40 years.

I have no idea if he's a democratic public.

We never discussed it was just jokes.

It was, you know, like the joke about at one after another.

Now, the idea that my doctor said,

I need a stool sample, a semen sample,

and a urine sample.

And I get my end of pants.

Now, that's an interesting take by Jay Leno.

Not sure I agree.

Again, I won't throw, I want to say rocks

and throwing rocks in a mountain.

I won't throw rocks at any of these picks.

But I don't know.

Karlin prior, I don't know.

The conversation did go on, or Jay Leno said

if he had a fifth pick, it would be George Karlin.

And I had, I don't know when I even saw this story,

but I've just been sitting on it for an episode like today.

Back in 2014, Jay Leno was on Craig Ferguson show.

I don't remember that happening,

but I believe everybody.

And Craig asked Jay Leno if Jay's mind ever drifted

when one of the guests was not all that interesting.

Jay said the classic examples I had

on one of these reality stories.

Trista, who apparently is Trista Sutter,

Jay said, from one of those bachelor's ats.

And I'm looking at the side of her head.

I couldn't be less interested.

I'd never seen this stupid reality show.

You know what it was.

And Jay said to make it worse,

Jay says he wraps up the show he leaves.

I go out in the parking lot.

There's a woman standing next to me with a boyfriend.

She says, can I have a picture?

And I go, sure, how you doing?

She says good.

And Jay asked her, what's your name?

It was the woman just interviewed on the tonight show.

That's amazing.

Kevin Neelen was on icon versus icon.

And he said, I learned from so many comics.

I bartended at the improv.

So I was there all the time and I see these comics come

that I really enjoyed and was a fan of every night

to watch them perform and take it all in.

That's how I learned by watching.

And I loved it.

It never even felt like work to me.

There were comics like Jay Leno and Richard Lewis.

So I watched closely.

Andy Kaufman was a huge influence on me

because he was so unique, so different and so interesting.

He played so much with the audience's mind,

leading him in one direction, leaving people unsure

of what he was doing and really pushing boundaries.

I also watched Seinfeld perform

because we came up around the same time or less.

Good advice from Kevin Neelen about the comedy industry.

It's a business.

You can't take things personally.

I learned that a long time ago.

And things don't really affect me that much anymore.

Even if they can regular life, I'm not easily shaken.

I don't want to say I'm dead inside because I'm not,

but I've gotten used to a lot of rejection and disappointment,

especially in the early stages.

More from that Forbes conversation

between Jerry Seinfeld and Nate Bergazzi.

Jerry Seinfeld was curious.

What's it like touring for you these days

in terms of workload?

Nate said it's like a gym.

It's a muscle.

You got to stay on top of it when you don't go out

for two weeks and then you get on stage.

And you're like rough, I'm awful.

Jerry was like, what about when your wife wants to go on vacation?

Nate said he'll try and pop in somewhere

to do one show to stay fresh.

Jerry said, it's funny how fast it goes.

I find not only can you not remember lines,

but you lose your nerve.

You should be even be doing this.

Who am I talking to in front of all these people?

Wow, Jerry Seinfeld thinking that.

Nate said, yeah, there's the thing in your head

that goes like, who do you think you are?

Are you out of your mind?

Nate continued.

I had to work on my own mind wandering.

I had to work on pulling my mind back

to the story the joke I was telling.

Every time I'm telling it, I visualize it.

I love it so much.

And you're in front of a different crowd every night

because I'm in the round.

I'll pick like four people.

It might be an older lady could be a family further back woman

with her husband.

You keep an eye on them.

It's a good way to keep engaged like, is it too harsh?

You're picking four people to do the show for

weirdly enough instead of a mass.

Nate said, I like stand up in the arenas.

It's really pushing stand up to this higher level.

I've got big screens, a sound system.

It's like watching a live special.

It's about the community and everybody laughing.

You want to give them a full show

when they all leave?

Hopefully, they're very happy.

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Rob Riggle spoke with clutch points.

Rob said getting on Saturday night live was a dream come true

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And when it finally happened, it was hard to process.

And then being on the stage when they rolled credits,

and I've watched it my whole life

when they rolled credits, everyone's on stage

to be on that stage looking back out toward the audience

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Being on the daily show, getting last job

was a great, great moment.

Getting to do movies with people that I admire,

getting to do scenes with Tom Hanks or people.

You just love their work and appreciate them so much.

And then you find yourself in a scene with them.

I've worked with Rob.

I think twice found him to be super, super awesome in person.

What a great guy.

Rob wrote a book, grit spits and never quit.

He explained, you get to a point where you tell enough stories

and people go, hey, you should write a book.

And you go, all right.

And you hear that enough times.

You're like, all right, maybe I should.

And then I write down my goals every year at the beginning

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It just kept rolling and rolling over until finally

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It's not how it works.

I got to go out there, eat what I kill.

I'm out there hustling for work every day.

And if I get a show, I get a movie, I got to do that.

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And Russell Peters told a fun story about NBA star Blake Griffin.

Blake Griffin has dabbled with comedy.

Russell runs into Blake Griffin and goes, hey, I'm a big fan.

What are you doing here?

Blake Griffin goes and trying comedy.

Russell goes, really?

But you're a basketball player.

Blake goes, yeah, Russell says, well, what are you?

Because you got red hair.

Blake says I'm mixed.

Russell, where'd you go up?

I think you grew up in Milwaukee or something.

Oklahoma got a suck being a big half black kid

with red hair in Oklahoma.

No wonder you're good at it.

And his face is like, what the f?

Russell says, I'm like, anyway, good luck stupid.

That's just how I am.

So fast forward in time, Russell Peters is

court side of the Raptors game.

Blake Griffin playing for Detroit.

Russell goes out, Blake, Blake.

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