Jeff Paterson: Live update from Rogers Arena, following Jim Rutherford and players press conference

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Let's get to Jeff Patterson, our connects reporter, the host of Ringquide Vancouver,

who took in the proceedings at Rogers Arena and now joins us from their live. Jeff,

big takeaways from what you heard from Mr. Rutherford. Well, he never disappoints when he gets

to a microphone. Again, just a ton to digest here, the fact that as soon as after the draft,

he may be prepared to step away. I think that is maybe my overarching takeaway. But beyond that,

yet another admission, like as if the expose that Gary Mason wrote about the JT Miller and

Elias Patterson, TIFF, and going into great detail then about locker room dynamics,

and then revisiting it again here today, more than a year removed from that article and more

than a year removed from JT Miller being peddled and still calling it just terrible. The situation

in the locker room. Now, the follow up question, I think probably should have been like, why,

has this management group and coaching staff not been able to get to the bottom of all this,

and finally clear the error, but that part of it wasn't addressed. But anyways, that I thought

was a wild admission yet again. The fact that he caught to signing the three veterans on July

the 1st as a hope bet. And that's exactly what it was. And so many people have said there was no

need to rush into an extension for Thadredemco, nor was there a need to sign Connor Garland at that

point. And this was an admission that they knew already that Quinn had more than a foot out the

door. And yet this was a hail Mary. There's just you can't do business in professional sports

with that mindset that you're just throwing massive dollars and big tournament players

with the hope that somehow that's going to be enough to keep your star here even knowing what

they already knew. So, you know, those are a few of the things that absolutely jumped out at me.

You let's talk about let's play the clip on culture, Jeff. You're quite right. I mean,

Jim Rutherford has uttered a lot of sentences, phrases, paragraphs in his four years here that you

almost never hear a president of a sports organization. But Jeff is absolutely right. He went

even further on how toxic the culture was in the canucks room prior to the last five weeks.

Here's Rutherford. I'm probably not going to answer your question because I'll end up

pointing fingers at people. And I don't like to do that, but it was really bad. And since the

trade deadline and since the young character energy players have come in here and stepped up,

okay, to bring that energy in the room, the chemistry and the culture in the canucks dressing room

over the last five weeks is the best it's been since I've been here. And you say you don't know where

that's going to go. I don't know where it's going to go either, but if that didn't get cleaned up,

I can guarantee it wasn't going anywhere. Now with that team chemistry, this team has a chance to

move forward and let every player enjoy coming to the ring. And I have to worry about somebody

barking at them in practice or picking on them in the room or whatnot. This group is tightly knit.

Good veterans left here. Good mentors. Very good young character players. Got a number of good

young players coming. So this team's going in the right direction. How long that takes? I don't

know. I would only be guessing. Jeff, the the GT Elias dynamic is one thing. I don't think this covers

Queen Hughes or Connagarland in very much glory as well. No. Guys barking at each other on the ice.

I have no issues with that. In the year 2026, in the best hockey league in the world, we're talking

about guys picking on other guys in the locker room. Again, who are the adults in there? Where are

the adults to step in and just finally put an end to hockey culture, old school hockey culture.

We're going to pick on the young guys. Like I've heard stories that they pick on young guys about

what kind of underwear they wear and like really small meaningless shit like that. Just to show

I'm a vet. I've got more standing in this room than you. That's the sort of thing that permeates

this sport. And as needless to say, according to Rutherford, as permeated, this connects

room for the last couple of years. And you're right. I mean, you just do some simple math here of

who were the deductions. I don't think David Camp was causing massive issues in that locker room.

And we all played up Tyler Myers in his role as a mentor and a veteran and a leader and a good guy

and all those types of things. So yeah, I mean, you're left in no choice, but to look at the other

guys that remain on the end, I suppose, but I like to hear the players. And look, we saw it here

over the final, whatever, three weeks of the season. Like, you know, they were literally fighting

for each other. And the games didn't mean anything, but I pointed out as there were the two fights

in the final game of the season in Edmonton last night that since that Tyson Cole Fight Club video

came out, the Vancouver Council have more fights than they had to that point in the season. And

it does feel like they've got each other's backs. And not just on the ice, I mean, how many guys

today talked about group texts and going out for dinners and all those types of things that

I think we just assume happened, but clearly this dysfunctional group, that was not the refactions,

whatever the case, like just get your shit together as an organization. This has to be rock bottom.

Like it better be rock bottom on some of those fronts. And you know, here's your mother

talk about that, that, you know, he believes that yes, they have sort of, you know,

leapt over that final hurdle and now they're on the buildback. I guess the proof will come

next season and beyond, we shall see, but it's just wild that the president of hockey operations

again has to admit that complete and utter dysfunction in that locker room. So you can sort

of understand why we saw what we saw for the better part of the last six months.

You wonder what Elias Patterson's thinking. You assume that he catches wind of that,

of that clip. And he knows that he's been brought up a lot. Like, is Elias Patterson okay being

sort of, he's been, I don't think anyone thinks he's necessarily the catalyst to being the

meanness, certainly not. But did he want this toxicity always brought up because we know he's

a center of it. Yeah, it is hard to get inside the mind of Elias Patterson.

I didn't think he did themselves any favor at the podium. And I get that it's media exit day.

And I don't want to go too deep here. But I would like to have heard more of a full-throwed

endorsement of how much he wants to be here and be a part of turning this thing around. And yet,

it was again, fairly lack of days. Performance. Yeah. So I would like to

heard a little bit more of him lean in and say like, enough is enough here. I know my role in all

this. I've got to be better. I have to be a part of the solution here. And I didn't do that. He

doesn't speak authentically, Jeff. He doesn't speak authentically on that question. He takes

umbrage with the question rather than giving you any kind of full honest and expansive

answer. Like he's perturbed with the whole notion that he may want out of Vancouver.

You mentioned it. Farhand couldn't have paddled it any better. So I don't know exactly. And

it was very respectful, especially with the news. We would have said often I would have

liked a little bit in return because again, he knows what he makes. We all know what he makes. And

you are whether you like it or not, you're tied to your salary at this level. Expect expectations

come with that sort of paycheck. And yeah, I mean, sort of this, you know, I'll go home, I'll

work on whatever I've worked on the last bunch of years and we'll see if it's better. Let me stop

you right there, Jeff, because we're going to play the Rutherford clip. You can basically take

the statement from last year and fast forward to this year. It's the same fucking statement

about Patterson. Let's hear from Rutherford on PD's future and what needs to happen from this point

forward. I'm probably not going to answer your question because I'll end up pointing things.

Sorry, guys. Yeah, that's not the one Michael getter straight here. But he full on says.

I got it. Okay, preparation. Here you go. Yeah, he's been disappointing. Obviously, I think

there's a lot of good things he did. You know, he tried to become a two-way player and he, you know,

he's tried to do the things that it ultimately takes to win as a team, but his production is down

so much. It's difficult, right? I believe that if he puts the work in in the summer, it's the same

as anything people do in life. Preparation is the key to success. And I don't believe he's put

enough preparation in at this point to be the player he needs to be, but he's young enough. He's

capable of doing it. And if he does the things he's told to do, he has a chance to succeed here.

But if he doesn't, you know, the GM is going to have to make a decision, but you're damned if you do

and you're damned if you don't, you're damned if you trade the guy because he could go and take off

again. And then are you going to decide, no, he's going to do it here and he doesn't. So it's a very

tough decision, but I do feel confident that PD has the ability that he can bounce back and he doesn't

have to be a guy gets 110 points. Even just a point of game will be enough as this team grows and

becomes a better team. It'll be enough for this team to be successful, but he's got to get to that

and he's got to work at it. Yes, 12 months later, and not a single ounce of progress on the

PD file. And he's even lowered the ball bar for him, right? And say, yeah, let's just be a 70 80

point guy who placed out defense, Jeff. Yeah. And this comes on a season where he finished with

51. That's a long bridge to cross to get from 51 to 82 or 84 as they go for a point of game.

Also, this player, the highest paid player on the team finished with goals in one of his final 36

hockey games. Like, and again, that just seems to get swept under the rug that that is magically

going to change next year. So yeah, you're right. A lot of sameness to the things that the manager

or the president is saying about this star player. The other part is, you know, he says he's young

enough. He's going to be 28 in the fall. Like, this is not a young player anymore. Like, we can't

treat him as such. And in fact, I think every year that goes by, it's going to be that much more

difficult for him to return to anything close to, you know, it's star player difference maker

game breaker. And it's going to be a while before that next wave, you know, takes over the ownership

of this team in the locker room on the ice, become the front line guys. So as long as he's here,

he's still going to be looked at as one of their better offensive players, but 50 point seasons

not going to do it. And I, again, just in his body language today at the podium and I try not to

make too much of things that are uttered on locker clean out day. But I want to, like, I just,

I wish and I know that. Like, I didn't come to the rink thinking that I was going to hear

something different from him. But I just, I wished I would hear him, you know, bang the desk and say,

like, the whole, yeah, I can be a part of the solution. But we don't see it on the ice. And we

don't hear it from him on the occasions that he's in front of microphones and can't see. He's

can be really forgetting too, guys, that at least Pederson has a no trade clause. He says,

if you're trading me, make it better. Like, he, like, he, he, he can't just unilaterally make the

decision. The GM, oh, I think we're going to cut bait and trade the player. It's not that simple.

Yeah, Mike, Mike, do we have the Pederson clip? It seems appropriate now. Like, let's fire the

just so everybody is joining us can understand what we're talking about. We've referenced it a couple

of times. If you miss this. So Farhan Lolge asked a couple of questions of Elias Pederson off the

top of the first player availability. And he was in the first group with that Tredemco and with

Brock Besser. And the first question to Elias was about the second miscarriage that he and his wife

Caitlin announced this week. And it was filled with empathy. And Elias said, thank you very much

for that. And he, he got emotional. We'll play the clip a little bit later. He got a little bit

emotional. It sounded in his voice about how difficult it was to play this year with what has

gone on in his family and the two miscarriages. And then Farhan pivoted and asked him a question

about whether this year and everything that's gone on has him wondering about whether a change

makes sense. I'm not sure if we have the question in here, Mike, but here's what Elias had to say.

Thank you for that. It's been hard. It's a lot of things with, no, it's just been

it's hard with see how it affected both of us obviously, but mostly for Caitlin. It's been

it's been the hardest.

Okay, so that was the first question with regards to what they revealed this week. Mike, we have the

second clip of Pety when he gets asked about whether or not he would be open to a change. Yes,

we're ready to go. Okay. No, I mean, I like it here. It feels like home. I'm signing for a reason.

We aren't a task bot. We're not almost so happy with the season, but like Tatcher and Demerset,

Tatcher and Brock said, we got good pieces here. So he's trying to, he's trying to build it up

and build a tribunal against him. Yeah. The words are there. The words are there.

My goodness. It's like he's reading bullet points. Okay. Speaking of futures, Jeff, we've talked about

this all ready, but Jim Rutherford exceedingly candid about his own future and committing to nothing

beyond the draft. He begins this answer with some trademark humor. He played that card before.

He's played it a few times today as well. Here's Rutherford on his future.

I'm going to go to Canadian Tire and get a hammer and help build the practice right.

I am when I came here, I've been here for full seasons now. And when I made the commitment to

come here, it was, I believe I told Francesco two years, I'll come here and see if I can,

if I can help. And I've been here four years. I got to tell you, like anybody else thinking about

this team this year, I had a lot of thoughts about my future. But right now, my focus is on getting

a GM and getting through the draft. And when I do that, then I will think a lot more serious about

what makes sense. Does that mean exiting or does that mean I'm going to think about how many more

years I want to do because I think you can hear it that way as well. Yeah, I mean, the Ruther

answers that I took that to mean that once the draft is through, that he is considering

exiting stage left. But then he also talked about being there to answer questions for anybody in

the organization that looked at him for leadership and advice. He talked about the fact that the

next general manager is going to have full autonomy, which as long as he's here, I guess I need to

see before I fully believe that. But I mean, this sounded like a man. I had this stage of his

career. And the credentials are there. He's in the hockey hall of fame. He doesn't need this anymore.

But I don't think he wants to grow out and he addressed that as well that he doesn't want this to

be his last act in a game that has given him a ton and he's given a ton to throughout his career.

And it's really all he's known. And so I do think that he wants to at least be able to

you know, have the vision of brighter days for the anchor Rickanox and we're right here right now

they're at the lowest of the EBS. And so there is still some work to be done. So I think he was him

basically greasing the skids to start to step back. And ultimately, you know, at some point and

maybe it's sooner rather than later, we're going to see his departure.

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additional terms conditions and restrictions apply. He was asked how bad it can get going forward

or if it can continue to be so bad and he did not want it to be so bad again next year. I'm not

talking about the locker room. I'm talking about the wind call him. He wants to be better next year

Jeff and not in the same way that Jake DeBrusc couched it where we need to be at least 31st or

30. You know he was released. You know he was he was being modest in what his expectations were.

I think Jim Rutherford's looking at at this and saying hey we did it. We finished last. We

gave ourselves the best chance. We're going to get a three top three player that he says he expects

to be ready to play next season. Braden Cootsie expects to be ready to play next season.

And I think he's looking to fill a pedal and that your dimco is hope bets that could turn out

and I think he wants to return to the mushy middle. He's not going to see. Well I'm not sure about

that but let's let's play the clip and then Jeff will come back and discuss.

I'm not. Obviously the new GM will make some changes. I would suspect there will be at least

three new first year guys in. We count Lacamaki as a first year guy. Coots and whoever we pick

at the top of the first round we hope that that player is ready to play. I would think that if

the GM would add a couple of veteran players hopefully good character and mentors like the guys

we still have here and if you blend those in together you get healthy. Demko's back to where he was

then this team should take a big step forward. I don't want to stand here and say it jumps

all the way into the playoffs but I do believe we have a very exciting team and a team

that people are going to have fun watching and watch girl. You scoffed it man. He's literally

laying it out there. He wants to return to the playoffs. But later in the press conference

he talks about commit to the rebuild in no shortcuts. There's two ways to interpret it Jeff.

You've heard the two in the front here. How did you interpret it? Yeah, and that was my question

to him. Basically it was. Do you see any way that this team can be appreciably better next season?

Or are you as a steward of this group bracing yourself for at least one more year of pain? And

that's where he said no. And I guess it surprised me. I thought he might have taken the other

approach of you know keep expectations modest at this point and recognize that you know a team like

Anaheim is back in the playoffs after a seven year absence. And I think this is part that

a part that the fan base is worried about that you hear answers like that. And if you signal

rebuild and you run the weight flag up then do it and take your lumps. And if it takes a bunch of

years so be it. But then you add a couple of veterans. So you plug in you know your first

ground pick last year or the guy that you get boom expecting you know great strides for this hockey

club. First of all, and I think we've talked about this before and I am fascinated to see on July

1st. Will free agents want any part of this? They are dead last. They are dead last with all sorts of

uncertainty. No practice facility, right? Like none of the bells and one of the troubles that you

have in other places to improve yourself get better. Get out. I mean maybe you get the first

overall pick and somebody thinks hey that'd be kind of cool. I'll come in and I'll play with

Gavin McCanae or whoever it is. But it's not like you can offer them. Oh we got this you know

one, two, three punch down the middle. If you're a winger like look at the wingers this year and

obviously a result of the lack of depth that they had at center ice position. So they don't have a

ton to offer. And as the cap goes up, other teams are going to have money to spend. It's not about

just putting a gob of money in front of players. So I am and we saw the agent pull last week as well.

The agents don't love dealing with the Vancouver Connects. I really am curious. So to hear

Jim Rutherford stand there and suggest that at a couple of veteran players, I think they're going

to try. But I also think that those veteran unrestricted for agents are going to have options. And I

don't know that they're going to be enticed to come and play for the Vancouver Connects.

Here's where I'm coming from gentlemen that gets me to a different conclusion than the two of you.

And I completely understand when you hear a couple of veterans players how that alarm bells for

those who think they're not going to commit to the rebuild. And Jeff makes a very good point. Can

you even lend those veterans or veterans that move the needle in any way shape or form? And there's

a school of thought they're going to be terrible. Regardless of who they sign on the UFA market,

a very weak UFA crop, even if they are hunting the biggest game guys like Alex Tuck.

He began his press conference thanking the fans basically begging them to come back talking

about how impressed he was that they stayed with the club despite how terrible this year was.

He came around and ended the press conference with that as well. His owner is trying to get

season ticket renewals right now. He cannot today come out and say, oh, yeah, we're going to be

horrible again next year. You have to sell hope to some degree. The other thing there's the other

problem. The other problem he's got is that when he and his compadre Michael Doyle on the business

side, both go to report to Francesco Aquilini at the end of the season. Michael Doyle can sit there

and go. Frank, we were top five top seven in the league in attendance. 18,000 paid every single night.

Frank's here. That's pretty good. Jim, how about your side? We were 30 for sort of 30 second

by a mile. So he does have to throw some bones to the commercial considerations of next season.

In this five conference here and now, the fallout from this year won't be felt until next year,

right? Like he can go and look at the seats and we remarked that yeah, it was wild that people

still showed up and wanted peace in the bank of Ergonauts, but now they're trying to minimize

the fallout Jeff. I understand that part of it, but I still I expected his answer to be a little more

cautious to my question that he was going to slow the roll a little bit in terms of expectations

because now, as he's laid it out, like, you know, what if Bradencoots doesn't have the same sort

of trading camp that he had last year for the Vancouver Connox, is he going to be gifted a spot

in this lineup because the president said so on April the 18th or we don't know who they're going

to land in the first round, but and Lecker-Mackie is still a question mark and I had a chat with him

the other day at a card signing. He's in good spirits. He's back in the gym seven weeks after

shoulder surgery, but it's shoulder surgery that shut down his and he still hasn't, you know,

fleshed out of the game enough to be a full-time national hockey leagueer. So there's a ton of work

to be done and he's going into this off season and important off season and isn't fully healthy

to get, you know, the training that he's going to need ultimately to hit the ground running. So

that's where I would caution Jim Rutherford against making sort of, I don't know if promises

is the word, but to name check those guys certainly sounds. Now again, the general manager is going

to have the full say. So this was just a president at a podium today. The new guy is going to be the

one call on the shots we think and you know, it's just a couple of other things that jumped out at

me from this day and there was a lot to process obviously with the players and it's such a flawed

process. I would love to have an hour with Thatcher Demko. I was reminded again how fascinating Thatcher

Demko can be when he is in the mood to talk and to bring us into his world. Yes. And to put him up

at the podium with Besser and Patterson and Philip Aronik, I would love half an hour with Thatcher

Demko on his own. Unfortunately, that's not the the format that they choose to use, but

Jeff, he's one of the most intelligent and articulate hockey players in Vancouver,

and he puts a massive wall so much that we can't get in there. And then once every blue moon,

he decides to come on out and bear his soul and show all vulnerabilities. It is the

hottest juxtaposition with that guy and his personality because like we've heard stories that

he absolutely hates. Loves media and says as much in private quarters and yet then he comes out

and hey, there's a saying in the business, tally like guy. I mean, he may very well just be a

tally like guy that he knows when that tally lights on. It's time to turn off the truck. This

topic of conversation guys does dovetail a little bit into the gym rather for what like

there is the narrowest of paths, but it's a non-zero chance that Philip Edel and Thatcher Demko

are both healthy next season. You know, those are two not pretty significant pieces of that.

If Philip Edel's a center of the scores, you have 20 goals and gets you 40 points in Thatcher Demko,

again, people are scoffing a belly laughing right now and they make that. It's a non-zero chance,

though. It's not a, it's not a, it's not a, an odds on chance, but you can't throw away the

possibility that these two players are human beings. They're doing everything in their power

to keep their NHL careers where they were at. That's their goal. Like they're in a seat of,

I am determined. You can't throw that away. Those are two significant players in the National

Hockey League. Yeah, Philip Edel's got one. You're left on a contract and the people that think

he should retire. I mean, he's got four plus million dollars in four plus million reasons to

come back and give it a shot. And he said, as much today that he's fully expecting to arrive

at training camp, ready to battle yet again. We generally know how this works, but you're right

that maybe next season, maybe, is the year that he does. I mean, if every guy deserves some good

breaks, you know, I had all the bad ones this time around, including the puck in the face of practice.

So we'll see what happens there. To Demko, you know, if I had had a second follow-up question,

I would have loved to have been able to ask him, you know, does he ever consider at 30 going on 31

now that less might be more that, you know, put an internal pitch count like, stop yourself at 40

games and just, you know, build your schedule around 40 starts and, you know, like see how that works

for you. But I think he still can, you know, he talked about how good he feels. I think he

sees himself coming back as the de facto number one guy that's going to have the starters role.

And we just know that that generally doesn't work for him. I don't know if he missed spoke, guys,

but did you pick up when Brock Besser said that one of the issues was, guys were being asked to play

positions. They didn't want to play. Yeah, Blake in the national hockey league. Like, well, but

I just missed it, Jeff, because we all know Drew O'Connor and Lucas Reichel aren't centers.

And they tried to play those guys at centers. Did you, but that was for like four days?

Like, well, no, it's for like two weeks. Does anybody interpret that it was beyond those two guys?

I didn't know what it meant since. Yeah, I think Besser himself was forced to play left wing

as a, has never been anything but played online with Connor Garland to write shot guys. You're

having, you know, wingers now wingers move around. I get that, but I just think it speaks to

the dysfunction. And there was enough of it. Like how about Derek Forbert detailing all of his

prevails this year. Derek Forbert went from a maintenance day to hip surgery that shut him down.

And the organization didn't feel the need to update to, you know,

well, and he sort of peep. And this brings the medical treatment back into question,

Jeff. And I saw a dolly wall saying they're going to take a look at all of that. But no,

you're quite, but you're telling me Brock is so precious. He can't play left wing. Come on.

Like, please, there's the national hockey league. Like, okay, you put that shot. You're all

clear. And I'm not saying it was Brock, like, DeBrosk ended up playing on the right. It was just,

there were a lot of guys that were being playing out of position, out of their natural positions.

Some of it by necessity, but you're right. It was just a curious turn of phrase, maybe more

than anything, but they caught my attention. The fact that Amanda Cain didn't feel the need to show

up today. Like, oh boy, got him his thousands game. And I know that was a dealer's choice.

I almost tweeted about this. I leave open the possibility that Amanda Cain had a medical

appointment here with what's ailing him that had to be today or what have you or a family matter

or something like that. But from the moment he stepped foot here, there was not a single Iota of,

you know what? I should really put my best foot forward because I'm playing for my next NHL

contract. It's almost like he doesn't want his next NHL contract, or he thinks it's coming

regardless of what happened this season. I think it was reciprocal, though, guys. Didn't you get

the feeling too, Jeff, that the conucks never really ballet. They were forced to because of the

thousands game, but they weren't exactly putting him as an organization on a pedestal either of,

we got this homecoming guy, the Vancouver boy is back. Here comes a, like, it was very sort of

like, let's just see how this goes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. The marketing department certainly

didn't latch on, but I remember when he was getting 20 minutes and most of them at five,

the coach, the coach. Yeah. Yeah. And then clearly, and whether it was, you know,

written agreement or just an understanding that they were going to do everything in their

power to get him in thousands game in the national hockey league, because clearly he was playing

through something. Adam foot talked about that and the minute he got to a thousand and then the

thousand and first game with the silver stick, that was the last we saw of him truly because he

didn't play again. And then there was a no show here at, you know, locker clean out and media

yesterday. So just, you know, the little things, but again, on a, in a finely tuned professional

organization, top to bottom button down, Derek Forberts doesn't just disappear for a season without

some sort of announcement. Even if you think, okay, Derek Forberts is not a big piece of this pie.

Just use your Twitter account, the PR Twitter, Derek Forberts had hip surgery, whatever,

it's not hard, but they make it hard. And as we said, like, they do all the, the easy things hard.

So I'm not surprising. Yeah. Jeff, you've had a full day and a full night last night,

we thank you for that. We'll have you back Monday. There'll be more to one back.

Yeah, it's always more. Absolutely. Adam foot, Adam foot is expected to on Monday court here on

Monday morning. So we shall see if, if he makes it through the weekend, then we'll be back here

at the rink on Monday. Yeah, the embattled coach on Monday, whose future will be determined by

the next general matter? Well, honestly, but it's one thing for us to infer. I think they're on

board is saying, yeah, the other guy will make the decision. Well, but that's typically what

happens with GM's is you give them the opportunity. I mean, Trevor came in and they gave him the

authority to do you want to keep torts or not? Honestly, yeah. To use your favorite new word, Blake,

I think there's a non-zero chance that Adam foot remains as the Vancouver Canucks head coach,

but I would be absolutely gobsmacked if the new GM kept Adam foot as head coach after taking

look at what happened this year. Jeff, thank you for this. Have a great weekend.

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