Jeremy and Nate Analyze Drake Maye's Interceptions and Darnold's Injury

0:00It's Jeremy White and Joe D.B. Asi. It's going to be a shame if I wasn't ready. Prep, prep, prep. Be ready like it's going to be the first drive which ironically end up being that tonight. But man, take care of the football. I know what kind of defense we have. I know the weapons we have on offense. I know the football put in these guys hands. Here he is made. Quick look was closed. We're running up in the airtime. Did he get the feet down? Job! Yes! A big terrible decision. Yes, we had the game under control. You know, thought we had a good plan to try to start tripping away and be patient and get lost patients. And you're in cost of this. You were listening to Jeremy and Joe on Western New York Sports Giant WGR. Welcome to the NFL season.

1:03I stayed up for that whole game. Yeah, I know you're sick. My body is reminding me like, you're sick. You're about to punish yourself for five months staying up to watch these games. Alright, whatever. It's fine. Coffee, rally, ready to rock. Nate's in for Sneaky Joe. Whatever's name is. I can't think straights before 7am. Coffee's still going to get the ball on the floor. Yeah, it's still in the stomach. And Patriots and Zeeox played. I didn't think it was an ugly game or an embarrassing game or like one of those thurs in I games. I thought it was a hard fought game and New England blew it. Drake may blew it. So good for the bills. Yes. How much Nate's here, Jeremy? Okay, Owen Parker, Joe Cali as well. I'll slow down and get my bearings here. It was a late night. How much during the game were you thinking about the division? I was a lot. Yes. I was a lot only because if New England had found a way to win that game, I think we would have come in today and said, that's one more game. The bills kind of can't lose. You would have chalked up at Seattle as a game you're kind of expecting New England to lose.

2:06And had they won it against a backup quarterback. People would have said they're lucky again, of course. And one or no, what a gone a long way. So I think it was a great night for the bills because New England was in control and give it back and lost. And the Seattle Zeeox defense looks as nasty as ever. And the Patriots offense looks like it can't get the ball down the field now because they have an injured AJ Brown. Romeo Dobbs had a terrible game. They really might miss K-Shon Pudi. And all of my bets on Ramon Dray Stevenson and every fantasy league I had have paid off. And I'm going to win all those leagues now. So I'm happy to overreact a week one with all of you. And we'll talk about it. 803-0550s our phone number. And there's the game tonight. Tonight we've got the Rams and the 49ers and dueling travel sleep plans to get to Melbourne, Australia. But in the meantime, give us a ring. Let's all react to football together. Let's all react. Let's all overreact or underreact whichever suits you best.

3:07Two football and to a dreadful fourth quarter from Mr. Drake May. Three interceptions in the fourth quarter to basically give the game away. And give it away when they had a chance to win. Like they were still very much live. Yeah. To win that game he throws a interception in the end zone. And that's that. Sam Darnold said to be probably okay. The Seahawks said they got good news on him on a hip injury. And AJ Brown will see he left the game with an ankle injury. Yeah. And the ankle injury itself didn't look great. He did walk off the field though into the locker room after the injury. But just in terms of nightmare scenarios, if you're the NFL having the Super Bowl. Champion defending its title have their quarterback go down five plays into the game. And then the exciting maybe the biggest trade of the offseason in terms of, you know, star players moving to a team. And having AJ Brown go down the way that he did early in that second half. I just all in it just felt like a kind of a worst case scenario from an entertainment perspective.

4:08But like, you know, when it came down to a 13 to 10 football game, you're expecting, I think, there to be. Less storylines about a 23 point game in total. But it just felt like this game had so much, so many layers to it. And thinking about how the Patriots simply could not take advantage of the Seahawks shooting themselves in the foot early in this football game. Penalties all open just panel. After penalty. And if you don't have a dramatically under thrown ball to AJ Brown in the first half, do they score a touchdown in that game? I don't, I don't know the answer to that question. But well, they have the ball thrown on time. They might score a touchdown. They, they, I mean, there's a lot in that game. The fact that they got the touchdown on the past interference is because it was a bad throw. A good throw also gets a touchdown for sure, because they had, they ran a nice flea flicker. They did. It was very delayed. And like that. It was a very long delay. Also, J.S. N is amazing. Anyway, continue. J.S. N is truly incredible.

5:08It is. Yeah, I just like I five for 16 on third downs yesterday. Just it, it watching the Patriots again against a very good defense who probably was missing not their best secondary player, but their second best secondary player and Nick M. and Worry. And they turned over a number of secondary players as well. It's got like a new secondary play. A little bit. A little bit. And they don't have Miles Garrett up front either. I mean, Leonard Williams is a dog. Don't get me wrong. But like they don't have that blue chip special $50 million or $40 million a year defensive lineman on that team right now. And I thought they dominated the Patriots again up front. And I thought that in terms of line of scrimmage play, it was really on both sides. The Patriots didn't have a lot of answers defensively. Just in terms of like yards per play yesterday against a backup quarterback who this job was basically not to lose the game and give, you know,

6:11drew locks and credit for not losing that football game for them and turning the ball over a bunch. And then obviously JSN makes a play that JSN is going to make once a game for you. And then you live on that. And just I was surprised to see the Patriots offense struggle the way that it did without even before AJ Brown goes out. There wasn't that I was expecting the offense to come out. And this is how I'll expect the bills to come out on Sunday attacking, which not just attacking, but saying, here's our new weapon. Good luck stopping it. And I just expected to see two of their first three plays be schemed plays to get AJ Brown involved in the game. He didn't get that scheme play until the third offensive series. And then it there just didn't seem like a real plan to feature a guy that you spent all off season fantasizing about ultimately trading for. He looked like a player and the offense look they just looked disjointed.

7:13And that's not just a Drake May issue. No, in fact, what they did, they looked like they looked like last year's bills offense when it was in trouble. Yeah. And that's not the whole year, but there were games when they were in trouble and they try to run the ball and it didn't work. Now, Stevenson ends up I think with a nice day, but if you go into what New England did on first down, they ran into a brick wall on first down again and again. And just didn't didn't care. They left their passing game with second and third and long the whole day, which is exactly what they did in the Super Bowl. Yes. Yes. And like early on early on in that game, they were getting those second and shorts because the run game started working out of the gates, but it stopped. And yeah, that was to me, I'm going to look back at this game. And maybe we won't, you know, makes, we'll make sweeping judgments from this game and it's week one. And there's tons of examples. I mean, they lost to the Raiders last year and then they went on their run. Right. So week one can be a liar a lot of times. But what I think people were expecting to see from this Patriots offense, I just don't know that we did.

8:18I can, can I tell you what my prevailing thought was after watching that game yesterday, they better hope Kyle Williams can start taking the top off defenses because I'm not totally convinced. AJ Brown is still the player that's just going to outrun like every week, be able to outrun NFL corners down the, down the field and have Drake May throw those big sweeping Russell Wilson drop in the bucket throws because that right now and work time minutes in and we haven't even really mentioned. I think what I would be imagining if I was a Patriots fan, I would be most concerned with. Drake May's arm doesn't look right. The zip, it does not look right and you can say he stinks. If you're a bills fan, you can say he's throw, he's got whatever eight turnovers in his last five football games, whatever. To me, all those things I can sweep under the rug. If he's looking like Drake May, he doesn't look like the player you saw really all of November and December when he started to pull away.

9:22I thought from Matthew Stafford as the MVP candidate last year, the real concern to me is, is he injured or does he have an issue where he does not have the same zip on his ball because that fading away interception to close that game out yesterday. You, you talked about like it was that ball supposed to be out quick. It was designed to be a quick throw, but throwing off his back foot. You don't have zip on the ball in the NFL and you're throwing off your back foot like that. You're going to find some real trouble this season if that doesn't, I don't know, correct itself. He hurt his shoulder in the AFC championship game. That's, I'm looking through to see like what anybody said about that. And Joe Callie before the show started said in the broadcast lesson that they said he hurt his shoulder in the off season. I don't know which of the two is true either. But it's obvious in the Bronco game, he suffered a shoulder injury that was thought to be not as bad as maybe it could have been. Then two weeks later he's playing in the Super Bowl.

10:22Yeah. How did he look in the Super Bowl? Terrible. Yep. Right. In this game, yeah, the zip on the ball. I mean, this guy that can make all the throws. I mean, doesn't have Josh Allen's arm, but he can make all the throws. And if there's an injury there that they thought they could get through, well then, as it would be bad news for them. That's, that's, that's, I mean, you play Seattle too. That's another part of this like to say AJ Brown's not going to run open past defenders. That might be right. They might also be right that really no one does against Seattle. The only offense that draws anything against Seattle is the Rams. Yeah. The Rams have the keys to the car or the weather. The answers to the test and no one else really does much against Seattle. So the good news is the bills do not play the Seahawks. They would not play them until the Super Bowl and that would be a big test for them, especially a big test if they had a role in there for half a game without DJ Moore, who plays really the AJ Brown role. And New England to lose to trade K-Shon Booty for nothing. I, yeah. And like right now instantly looks like, oh, you probably, you probably shouldn't have done that.

11:23You shouldn't have done that for nothing because, I mean, if AJ Brown's heard for any significant amount of time, anyway. 803 05 50. Yeah. This game to me, I always love a good one of these, which is what did New England do wrong? They ran the ball too much. I saw the phrase on Twitter. They were playing prevent offense, which they definitely were. Yeah. They were doing the thing that for me, when I get the most upset at the bills offense, and again, the bills offense has been great for multiple years and even with Joe Brady. But you guys, you all know, when we get frustrated with the bills offense, why does it usually happen? Because they're too committed to running the ball on first down, because they're taking too much time, because when they could probably go for the kill, they look like they're just out for a leisurely stroll. And they're running the ball. And if it's not working, it's important that they commit to running the ball, right? Everyone in the football will tell you how important it is to establish the run and commit the run. The Patriots last night on first downs, on called first down plays.

12:27They called 14, at the time that this was tweeted out rather, they had 14 calls for a run play on first down. And they got two yards per play. They called past plays eight times, and they got seven yards per play. Now, what should you be doing on first down? Should you be calling run plays at a two to one rate when you are outgaining via the pass, by nearly three to one? It's, to me, what I'm hoping the most is different about Joe Brady. We're not going to see the bills be the most run heavy team, neutral pass script B, plough James Cook in the line. If it's working, you stick with it. We get that. But there are games where it's not working. There are games where it looks like this is not your answer. Or there are games when you're up 10-nothing and it doesn't matter how it's working, you're up 10-nothing, play with urgency. And New England did not do that. I loved the phrase Prevent Offense because they looked like a team playing Prevent Offense last night. And for me, I mean, whatever. You, Mr. Nate Geary here, who's in for Joe tweeted out this morning.

13:29Let me read the tweet here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because here's the thing. You have to provide some context. This morning, you know, as I'm leaving the apartment, I get a text from Joe Kelly. Hey, Jen, like, you know, good morning. Happy Thursday. What do we got going on today? And my, I was like, oh, funny. You say that, Joe. You know, we've got Matt Verteram, you know, he's going to talk, oh, and Jeremy's going to spend the entire three at four hours today defending Drake May. And your tweet is, we pulled the tweet, in first, Nikki Joe, and I'm stoked to watch Jeremy contort himself in defensive Drake May, who hasn't played a good football game since they ran up the score and I'm bad Jets team in December. I don't really have much to say about like the previous four games or whatever. I mean, again, if you heard a shoulder against the Broncos, who played the Super Bowl, the injured shoulder that, that now is some context. I'll simply say, let he who is without a quarterback that has thrown three interceptions in a prime time game on the road to open the season and basically lose the game for his own team.

14:30Cast the first stone. The Josh Allen comparisons continue after that game. Josh Allen, New York Jets game, 2023. The year is offensive coordinator gets fired two thirty six one touchdown three picks and they lose to Zach Wilson. So you did have you may call it defending Drake May. I'll do what I did that day. Who cares about that game? It's stupid. I mean, the game don't worry about it. It won't happen again. It's not a thing to worry about. They did ultimately fire their OC as Allen through like a pick a game for a while. He had eleven picks and ten games and they fired their offensive coordinator. And I don't think anybody is of the mind that Josh McDaniel's ever going to get fired in New England. He's no, then there are a thousand times. But I'm just I'm standing on guy had a bad game. Guy had a rough game against the really good defense defense in football, one of the two. Now, do you expect Allen to have that kind of performance against Houston? I don't. I expect him to be great.

15:30He's got a better offensive line than the Patriots. He's also this year and like the historically he has not played. It's kind of the team that he has not really put together a good performance against the Texans since since the playoffs. Like since they they lost that when to Sean Watson was quarterback. Yes. And that's a game where he had a lateral and through into double coverage to Pat to Marco. Right. Like was that a good game? Kind of. Yeah. It's kind of a good game. Yeah. I mean, listen, you can say what you want about Drake May. I'm sure the chat will say it's over. He's no good anymore. I would just say go ahead and have that take at your own risk. Now, if his shoulder is cooked, different story, different conversation. So I'm going to I'm going to put a little asterisk next to I think he'll he's probably going to be fine. Asterisk unless the shoulder is a problem and then maybe not. And I also like where I am with Drake May is the sample size is growing.

16:30So if you want to be Drake May is actually not good guy. You're not there yet, but you're a cup. You're a I'm going to tell you this. You're a 17 points against a old Steelers defense next week away from what I said was going to happen last week. Which is already happening on Twitter, which you can't use Twitter as a, you know, sample size for everything. But the whole Vray Bowl offseason is a Steelers bad game away from being the storyline for every Patriots fan with. They're going to really very quickly turn their attention away from Drake May, which they are going to really go heavy in on. I'm sure last night on Boston sports radio. I'm sure this morning, but very soon if it hasn't already, it's going to be about how their head coach had an offseason scandal. And I, whether it's right or wrong, he is going to be the center of attention if they have a slow start.

17:34And I said it last week and it's already tweets about, you know, my, my head coach was in a rehab facility for a sex addiction. Instead of being a training camp, like there's already like tweets like that. Did you actually miss training camp for it? I think like some OTAs, the other kind of OTAs or something. But is that one of those sessions where the coaches are not allowed to work with the players? Probably. Okay. But, but I'm just saying, yeah, we are, I'm going to tell you this. If they, if they go, if they lose to the Steelers next week, I'm going to plan a flag. I'm going to Baker Mayfield, the New England Patriots and call their seats. You're going to call those seats and dead. I might. They did lose to the Steelers last year. Uh-huh. In a game where May had five turnovers, but they had five turnovers. I'm sure they're all May. Five turnovers. They lost the Steelers last year. They did lose to the Raiders last year. They certainly did. They lost to the Raiders. And what did they do last night? They lost to the Super Bowl champs whose defense looks crazy good.

18:37One more Bill's angle here. Oh, we'll have lots of bills. I think we'll see you this morning. Happy football season. Does Jim Leonard have the Mike McDonald goods? Mike McDonald has the goods. So the head coach of the Seahawks is the Kyle Shanahan Wizard of Defense. Would generally generally they play a team in back-to-back games. And that team had absolutely no idea it was coming for them again. Mm-hmm. Again. So the Seahawks make a lot of teams look bad. They make a lot of quarterbacks look bad. And they made the Patriots offensive line look listless, terrible. They made let may look bad again. That is a nasty defensive front. They do stop the run. And they pressure the quarterback with crazy pressure packages. Does Jim Leonard have those goods? If Jim Leonard has the goods like that, then the bills are going to win an awful lot of games. And he won't last long because of good job. Can I tell you the thing that I'm most excited about after watching yesterday's game?

19:38When I think about Jim Leonard is that's the style. What you saw yesterday, the Seahawks, again, I mentioned this when we came and when we started the show, the Seahawks don't have the Texans defense. No, the best they had last year was a boy in Maffe, who left in free agency. He went to Cincinnati. Like they don't rush four and drop everybody else and say we just have three or four guys that are going to beat you guys one on one more times the not. They blitz the ever living bleep out of you. Yeah. And they do it from the corner position. They do it from the slot. They do it in simulated looks. They do it and they do it pre and post like and that's what Jim Leonard is going to do. Like that's the philosophy. So I think right now in the NFL, there are two ways to do it in the NFL defensively to try to get after good quarterbacks. And I for one am a little bit they have they've been trying to do the bills have been trying to do what the Texans did last year without any of the horses.

20:43Right. Which is which is why the idea that the roster wasn't good enough with the coach pays the price. Yes. And then the horses for it. So let's wish to a defense that maybe this scheme can do more of the work. That's what I was excited to see because what they were able to do to Drake May is a little bit of what they were able to do to him in the Super Bowl. It wasn't just that Drake May. Obviously he didn't play well in the Super Bowl. But like other than to your point other than like the Rams are like the Buccaneers in week seven who just went bananas on them. That's what they've largely done to opposing quarterbacks for for the better part of a year plus now. So I'm excited that the bills are going to deploy this and it's not going to be the same as the Seahawks defense. But I'm excited there. They have the same mindset right now as the Seattle Seahawks because again you're two best defenses in the league in the Seahawks in the Texans couldn't be fundamentally more different. And I think that's really awesome.

21:43The Seahawks last year shut out the Vikings. They held the Falcons to nine. There's not that big a deal. They also beat the Niners 41 to six. Like who holds the Niners off and stuff. I remember last year Kyle Shanahan maybe asked about the divisional round game because they lost in the they lost in the finale for the one seed. They beat them 13 to three for the one seed and then two weeks later beat them 41 to six. Once less than Kyle Shanahan's offense was unable to get into the end zone and consecutive games like that's that Seattle defense. It is incredible and the bills have a tough test against the Texans. What'd you take away from last night's game 80305 50 is Drake May actually bad. Was a shoulder work. AJ Brown came in with some injury concerns. I think they're pretty concerned now and Drew lock. Drew lock. Drew lock high level vibes guy.

22:44The vibes on Drew lock or top notch. Always been always been a top notch guy. A little I would say did we take too much out of the one time he sang that song on the sidelines. He can't be a serious quarterback if he does that but he's awesome. He's okay. Yeah. He did great. Alright, 80305 50 give us a ring. Yeah, we've got bills injuries to talk about who's in who's out. How it could all play out in Houston and the game tonight in Melbourne between the Rams and the 49ers here on WTR.