Jesse Case and God Talk Conspiracy Theories

Oh, everybody. Welcome to the God show. I'm God and I'm here to back with Jesus. And we have special guests today with us. Jesse case. Is that right? That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And tell us about yourself. Jesse, I've never done a podcast before with people. I don't believe in having an existential crisis.

Um, yeah, I don't believe in us.

I do. I believe in you too. I believe in you guys.

I, uh, yeah. I, uh, my name's Jesse.

Um, I'm a comic, you know, I, uh, I didn't know I had to do my, okay.

I didn't know I had to do my own bio here.

It's impossible.

There's no way to do it. There's no way to feel good.

Okay, okay. He's, uh, he's on his podcast called Probably Science.

I am on that. I'm on that.

It's so, uh, Jesse, let me ask you a question.

What if anything is your background in science?

Um, I'm, well, I'm on a podcast called Probably Science.

It's a feedback. He's stated the holiday and express.

Yeah, it's a feedback loop.

Um, I, I don't have much for background in science at all.

I, um, probably science.

Yeah. Well, no, I really struggled with it in school.

And then I later found like most things people struggle with in school.

It's not really on me.

It was, uh, I had really bad teachers because it's totally, totally, totally, you know,

like, like, so, so during the, was it was, was it Johnny's fault in karate kid

that he was such an A hole?

No, it was, it was his master creases fault.

Also, the only thing to do during that move was to sweep the leg.

If I was ever like, if I was about to be in a, if some guy cramed me, it's like,

yeah, dude, sweep the leg, the funny thing is 2026.

You could put out that same movie and the, the coach would be like, sweep the leg

and the whole audience would be like, what's the problem?

Yeah, yeah, it's totally, it's totally, you know, why, why isn't Johnny on more

PD, you know, why, why isn't he more muscled?

Things were different.

The all-valley karate competition has really gone off the rails lately.

Um, we have gone off the rails.

No, that's okay.

So, uh, yeah, it's the thing, the thing where like you have a bad teacher,

and then later you rediscover a subject and realize how fascinating it is.

Um, you know, so like during the, during the pandemic, I worked, I did like some

immunology research stuff, uh, because the stand up world died briefly.

Uh, so I worked, I worked like in a lab and I was like, oh, this is like the

most fat, this is the coolest stuff ever.

I always hated this, like, I used to hate this.

What's going on?

And then I was like, oh, it just wasn't explained to me in a way that was in any

way palatable.

So totally, um, yeah, I'm into it, but I have no expertise in any, literally

anything.

What if anything is your background in God?

Uh, oh, good question.

I was not raised in a religious household.

My family, like my, my, my dad's side of the family is like super Southern

Baptist, uh, but I was not, they didn't raise me that way.

So we would go to like, uh, okay, oh, my parents didn't, um, good for them.

It's weird.

Sometimes I would go like, my, I would spend the night at my grandma's house,

like my parents had a date night or something and she would read me the Bible, uh,

to put me to sleep.

And she started like at the start, like the old test, smart, smart.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll put you to sleep.

It will put you to sleep.

But I, uh, I guess my parents were like, hey, don't do that.

We're trying to not do that, you know.

And she switched to a book about the Wright Brothers, like the invention of flight.

And nobody told me she switched books.

So I thought like airplanes on the Bible and stuff till I was like 15.

I like accidentally, I accidentally invented Scientology, like on my own, uh, legit.

Like I was so, in the beginning, in the beginning, there was nothing this.

And then getting hopeful and Wilbur showed me, yeah, yeah, awful.

Yep.

And then two bicycle makers decided to take to the skies.

And that was my view.

In fact, it got to the point, um, well, that explains everything.

It got to the point where I remember when they brought up the Wright Brothers in school,

I got mad at the teacher for teaching it because of like the separation of church and state.

I was like, you can't teach us that.

And she's like, I can, what?

It was like, you can't teach us about the Wright Brothers because I thought it was like a made

up Bible thing, um, yeah.

That was my background in God and it's been, it's been weird.

Well, let me tell you, let me tell you, Jesse, I've met a lot of people on this

here show, the God Joe, I've talked to them about their background in religion and God.

And I have never heard anyone say anything like that.

Like what?

Like I've heard, I've heard them say that they asked, you know,

the wrong questions in Catholic school and they got, you know, punished.

You can't ask that.

They got sent to the, you know, lots of things like that.

I've never heard anyone say that they,

they were mad at the reverse.

Yeah, the story of flight was somehow combined with the Bible.

And they thought that that was a part of the Bible.

I, yeah.

So I went to public school and when the teacher, when the teacher brought it up,

I'm like, you can't, there's, you're not allowed to teach us this,

you know, because this, that's like their separation of church and STEM, like you're,

you know, a constitution, like you can't teach us.

And so what did the teacher say to set you right?

That she didn't.

There was two baffling.

It was way too weird.

That's too weird of a thing for anyone to deal with coming out of like a nine-year-old.

Exactly.

The teacher was like, the teacher was like, Jesse, I've known a lot of nine-year,

I've a lot of kids.

You're right.

Yeah.

Anyway, you're, you, you, you do good work, you did good work during the pandemic,

making, uh, making ventilators and, uh, parts for them.

I tried, I tried.

Yeah.

And then, uh, but then I, yeah, I worked in a lab for a minute and, uh,

and then, and then now back to it, back to it.

And I have another, another podcast, uh, Jesse versus cancer.

It's about, I got, I got real bad cancer, you know, and it's, it's okay now.

But I, uh, I did a podcast documenting all that and it was going to, uh, it was no bell at the end.

There was no bell.

What kind of cancer did you do?

Stage four, colon.

So, oh my gosh.

Yeah, I was 29.

I got diagnosed in LA and then that's what got me back to Nashville to, uh,

not going, that's going better.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Wow.

But, um, thank you.

Uh, but I, uh, you know, anyone that looks at those stats, uh, because like a 12% survival thing,

I was like, I'm screwed.

So I started a podcast.

Holy, yeah.

To document, to document my existential crisis.

But then I sort of like accidentally lived, um, but like it was a mess, dude,

that's been all my money.

That's like literally a miracle.

It, it was, it's weird.

It's very, very, very low.

It's, I know, it's weird.

Uh, but there's that podcast and I still have it up for posterity because people

get diagnosed all the time and like, I'm always, if they want to listen to it,

because it's still, it's a comedy podcast.

It's not like all.

So what does that do to your, how does that make you view life?

You survived something like that.

Um,

man, I wish I could say it was good like,

river change and every day is a rose.

And yeah, I wish I had that.

Anything bad.

You're so thankful for every day and blissful and then you sip some eucalyptus tea.

Yep.

That's what it is.

Uh, no, it's wild because it's like people, uh, people sort of want to make you this mascot.

Uh, right.

Some sort of weird something like it means something.

But, uh, to me, it never meant anything other than the just chaos of,

uh, you know, genetics or something.

So it was just this horrible thing you're dealing with.

And then when it's better, um, yeah, I was really hoping there would be some revelatory.

Oh, man, what a new perspective.

But I was already so, I, I guess I was, I already was so weirdly existential before that.

Like it didn't change much.

All it did was gave me brutal PTSD.

Totally.

Like, I, I, I, I,

I know it's, you know, especially since you're afraid it may come back.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get checked for that all the time.

But also my, my, I had this weird sense of safety that I think a lot of people have that,

I mean, if you, if you read me, Ernest Becker, sort of the denial of death thing,

where it's like you can conceive it, but not really, really, um, everyone low key thinks

they're an exception to the rule, uh, and even if they can't admit that to themselves.

And totally, I, that's completely gone.

So it's kind of like, um, if anything, like the way I view cancer is like it only sucks.

It only takes.

I know it's like a bummer, but like you're sort of forced into these positions where

you're, you want to find your brain desperately wants to find some lesson or some way it's worth it.

And it only sucks.

It's just like that is unnecessary.

That was a bummer, you know, yeah.

So it's, uh, but I mean, I'm great.

I'm grateful for the outcome.

I'm not trying to sound, you know, yeah.

Right.

Um, but like you don't become immortal, like I'm still going to croak someday.

Yeah.

But how about that medical science, huh?

Unreal, dude.

Unreal.

And getting there's your take, there's your takeaway.

Yeah.

Totally science.

Unreal.

And getting better, um, getting better all the time.

You know what I, it's getting better all the time.

You know what I want?

Uh, I just wanted you humans to get to that Star Trek level, you know,

where you, everybody's pretty competent at their job.

Well, I mean, old school Star Trek, not new Star Trek.

Anyway, uh, and they're competent.

It's a job.

They're not an end result.

Yeah.

And then they, and then they just wave a wand over you.

And they don't dig inside with all the tubes and the, the muckety.

You know, that's, that's medieval.

That's the thing, man.

Is some of the treatment is so medieval.

And I fully knew I was fully aware

while it was happening.

How weird it'll be in 50 years.

Like, you know, when you have, when you have

Borgnano probes.

Exactly.

Well, it'll be like being like, uh, it'll be like telling someone

you were in an iron lung for your polio.

I'll be like, what are you talking about?

You know, and they'll be like, oh, yeah, polio.

I know that.

That's back.

And it's back now.

Thanks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Junior.

Yeah, let's ask you a question.

Yeah, which, uh, which member of this clown car cabinet

do you think is the worst right now?

The most dangerous is currently today.

The most dangerous is Pete Hexif.

It, it, it, it rotates between him and Steven Miller.

Um,

an RFK junior low,

RFK junior is the dark horse candidate for most dangerous

because he's a dark horse.

I know what you mean about right now.

Yeah.

Yeah, um, yeah, I just think that a lot of RFK

junior stuff, um, is easier to undo, if that makes sense.

Not that there's much undoing.

Like, I think that, uh, it would be a massive mistake

to do the Biden policy of if, if, like, to pretend that this

was a weird aberration, brush it under the rug.

What a weird outlier.

That, that was crazy, right?

Instead of like, everything has to change.

Yeah, like it has to.

No, I know.

How are there any democratic candidates right now who are, who are,

who are hitting the moment with what is needed?

Like, there needs to be reformation.

There needs to be Epstein trials.

There needs to be international criminal court.

There needs to be denied.

There needs to be serious fucking repercussions for this shit.

It can't just be like, oh,

let us slap in the hand.

Let's all be friends.

Oh, business is usual.

The thing that, well, not yet.

I haven't seen anyone yet that, but I think I, I think that's surely being talked about.

The, because the, the issue is that you see this more every day is the dude, uh,

Donald, he's, he's in the dictator trap where this happened in his first term.

It's like, and now it's so much worse.

You start crime and so much.

You can't leave power.

Like you, you, you can't.

No, he's so, so he did everything.

So worried.

He did everything to cling on.

And it's like, now it's like, dude, that's,

I can't believe people don't realize what's happening here.

Like this guy, nice track track call back.

He did everything to cling on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

He needs to save, uh, he's trying to pass the save.

Donald's rotten ass act.

Well, yeah, I mean, everyone around him.

It's, it's kind of the mafia thing, right?

Where like you get everyone around you.

Also guilty.

So then they can't leave.

So that's why his whole cabinet is just criminals.

I mean, they, it's, they weren't hired to do the job when they leave.

They just act like, like, uh, they were on WWE or something.

Like, yeah, yeah, obviously that was a show.

Marjorie Taylor Greene is like, yeah, I was doing theater.

Yeah, yeah.

I just think that the people that are in it,

you know, the headsets and all that.

Like, they're gonna be like, I was, I was doing my best to control him.

You don't know.

I was, I was, yeah, yeah, the whole time.

Yeah, but I mean, it's certainly like probably going to get

Nuremberggy, you know, like if, if, uh,

that's the, yeah, I'm just worried these Democrats,

they're never gonna, you know,

there's too many of them that don't want that,

that don't understand what it is the people want,

which is justice.

Yeah, I mean, yes, I also try to see,

I'm not going to say see the other side or something.

I, I think that Trump voters are extremely gettable.

And I wish that Democrats would also realize that.

Yeah, getable, getable.

Yeah, like, like they really, because I heard a hundred percent of

mega supports mega.

I mean, and this is why this, this start, you know,

you start getting into like, uh,

yeah, I think it's an authoritarian movement.

I, I, I think that Democrats are making the mistake

of confusing a social movement with a political one.

It's a social movement.

And, you know, I think Republicans are making the mistake

of assuming Democrats are a social movement when it's a political one.

And there's the, wow, difference in cohesion.

But I think that people,

I think his voters were extremely angry.

I think that that was underestimated.

I think that a lot of that anger,

even though it's gone in the complete wrong ways,

a lot of the anger could be valid.

And that's why I think those are winnable votes.

Because it's not the love versus right.

It's the bottom versus the top.

Uh, yeah, okay, I'll give you an example.

I'll give you an example.

Um, okay, uh, we have a housing problem.

Okay, we have a housing problem.

So, uh, what's, what's happened is,

how do I explain this without immense immediate cancellation?

So you have a bunch of people that are resentful because like, uh,

we used to call people that were unhoused homeless.

And then it changed to unhoused.

A lot of people didn't get that memo.

Um, so they, they'd say homeless and then they get judged

or whatever for say, and other people are like, no, it's unhoused.

And they're like, I think that's really stupid.

So, so my, my point is this.

It's all the people that are upset.

I don't give a shit about stupid shit like that.

I'm saying it creates a resentment in people.

Like the reason, the reason for the resentment, though,

is that all of us have so little power.

The only way to affect change is to change a word.

So then, I was thinking about this today.

It's like, it's like comedians like me and Jesus.

Yeah, are held to super, super fucking high standards.

Uh, whereas the president fucks children, and that's okay.

And so the reason for that is because you can hold us to, because we are

responsible to you.

We work for you, sure.

And so for, and therefore, we can be held to standards.

Yeah, yeah.

I think so.

I just think that a lot of the arguments like, like when, like Donald Trump,

one of his first things was like, people are too PC.

Now, the way he meant it was, he wants to use slurs.

He meant it in a horrible way.

Yeah.

That's the way they all mean it.

Not all.

Because like, I, I think, okay, I try to get myself in the head of,

let's say someone feels that way.

They're because like, they, they, they realize like, some things are just

done out of self-righteousness or something.

And like, what, you think you're better than me.

And the people, but just, but then a lot of people don't like being told

what they can and cannot say.

They don't have the logic of it, the, the higher logic of, you know,

but this really hurts people.

They don't give a shit about that.

I know that.

I guess my point is if we had actual equality,

the, the words wouldn't sting.

So I think if people look at the bigger issue,

if we had housing, it wouldn't matter.

It's, people feel so hopeless over changing things,

whether it's racial equality, gender equality, whatever.

Gun control.

They feel, they feel so hopeless

to affect change in any way.

All they can do is change the way they talk about it.

Yeah, exactly.

And then they want the top, the billionaires, the trillionaires,

they want you fighting amongst themselves.

100%.

When you're doing that, you are not looking at them.

That's why they hate it.

Zoran Mamdanis.

So much is because he's a positive dude.

Right.

So I think that, I think that a lot of those people,

if I try to, I think that they take the anger out completely wrong.

I think it's going off the wrong way.

Oh yeah.

Comes out sideways.

But I do try to listen.

If someone's like, I, again, I'll never agree with

the actions taken on it.

But if someone's like, I feel left behind culturally or something,

I try to wonder why.

Oh yeah, because what is that?

There's all these young men who they get targeted

on video game communities and such.

Oh, dude.

And then they could pill them.

Yeah, and this attitude of being like,

of being like, oh, fuck you.

We don't need you either.

You're with us or you're totally lame.

Is not a smart fucking strategy.

If you want to win the game,

all everyone is a potential ally or, you know,

undead zombie, you can turn against the other side.

Right.

I mean, I, I, I mean, not, I mean, a percentage of this country

is horrible and horrible and racist and horrible.

For sure.

But these elections should not have been close.

That's ridiculous, dude.

That's ridiculous.

So that I think is a huge democratic career.

I think they definitely went out of their way to see it.

I don't believe for a second that they didn't do

some serious fucking stuff.

I think there's some weird, some weird stuff.

I wouldn't put, I was saying I wouldn't put anything past

these motherfuckers anywhere.

Sure.

Donald Trump won all seven swing states.

My ass.

Okay, seriously.

Yeah, that, that assassination attempt, you know,

yeah, didn't Russia come out like,

did it, it came out a couple of weeks ago

that they were advising to stage an assassination attempt

on Victor Orban, was it?

They're advising and hungry.

Yeah, right now, too.

Because that would change that election there

to be not about the issues, but to be an emotional one.

Yeah, that's good.

And I'm just saying, yeah, that's a great strategy.

I wonder where that may have worked before.

I started, you know, doing this weird thing.

I do, it's called thinking.

Yeah, yeah, where although, yes, I know, I know.

Yes, somebody died there.

So, doesn't that, if so fact, I mean, it was real.

That would be tossing out the idea that they are

willing to sacrifice one of their own

to make something look real.

Anyway, we're talking about the butler thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I think it's increasingly obvious

that that was a time traveler.

Like, I bet the secret service every day

is just fighting time travelers.

Like they're not telling us, but just

just zapping into the middle of the Oval Office,

they've got to like get a guy with a ray gun.

Like, they're like, no, you don't understand.

It'll be better.

We need Trump to burn everything down.

We've seen the other timeline.

We want this to happen.

There's consistently time travelers.

That's a mega time traveler.

Yeah, yeah, probably.

Anyway, yeah, it's crazy, man.

Yeah, stuff's wild, man.

Stuff's wild.

Even God and Jesus are like, that wasn't real.

Yeah, well, yeah, now there's a big conspiracy

going around about like the bullet

from the Charlie Kirk assassination

doesn't match the rifle and you know what I think?

I think that his wife and turning point,

they want there to be a conspiracy.

They want it to go on and on

and they want televised trial.

Why?

Because it keeps him in the news,

it keeps podcast views coming in,

it keeps donations coming in.

So you know what?

I'm not going to talk about it.

Yeah, I mean, I, uh,

who knew these people were conspiratorial?

Yeah, who knew?

I mean, I think a lot of times it's in

whatever there's a conspiracy about it's in their interest

to keep it going because if anything,

it just implies some sort of power.

Like, yeah, there's all these conspiracies

about the government that I'm sure are

complete nonsense,

but it almost makes them omnipotent if it was true.

So why would they, why would they ever

know? And then when the government actually does kill

American civilians, then they don't like

LOL.

Doesn't matter.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Yeah, I'm, I'm what you call a bit of a bummer.

No, you're not a bummer because I read the news

and then I repeat it.

Come on, and I remember, and I remember what happened.

And then I remember what happened.

If you remember everything that happened,

holy shit.

Oh, memory is it.

It's a nightmare.

I shot going mouth time.

I'm a sober guy.

So my memory is like unreal.

I have a real memory.

And oh, brutal.

You guys are crazy because I'm a total stoner.

And I have an unreal memory too.

Nice.

Well, yeah, whatever works.

Do you ever get jump scared by like shame?

Like every like, you'll like remember something

you said to someone years ago.

Like it would be like, while you're driving

and you just get this like,

like, I get like weed, weed guilt.

Not weed, weed shame.

Oh, just because you remember something.

Just in general, it doesn't have to be weed talking constantly.

I was constantly like you in the past,

present in the future.

Sure.

And then it's hard.

Yeah, it's hard, brother.

Yeah.

What's up, fellow time traveler?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was us, everybody.

We were the time travelers.

Anyway, it is hard like that.

Jesus, do you live like that?

Sometimes like I think about conversations I had with people.

I was like, oh, God, that was, that was.

Like yesterday, for example, Jesse,

we were talking about Pope, Pope Lee.

I almost did it again.

Pope France, Pope Leo,

who castigated Trump over the war.

Sure.

And we were blessing him for that.

Except we kept, I kept calling him Pope Francis.

And I think Jesus, I said it so many times.

Jesus said it.

It totally went over my head.

And then everybody in the comments was like,

it's Pope Leo, you fucking idiot.

Was Pope Francis the last guy?

Yeah, Pope Francis is the one that died

because JD Vance shook his hand.

Pope Leo was the one that's been there for a year.

And he's from Chicago and he pucks.

And he's only fist bumping.

And he's only fist bumping.

He's he's Chicago cup.

He's Chicago White Sox fan till he dies.

Okay.

But my point is we make a single mistake.

It's not even like, oh, whoops, you guys best it up.

It's like you fucked it up.

Idiot.

Sure.

Because they, like you said, they can, you know,

affect the result.

This is a place where reality still matters.

So right, right.

Yeah.

I mean, we're held to high account in your.

I said it's in your defense.

Both Francis and Leo made up those names for themselves.

So yeah, you don't have to respect it that much.

And they use to switch popes a lot less often than this.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, if I, it's like when you meet somebody

and they tell you their name and it's a nickname

that they clearly made up.

Yeah, I don't give them self their own nickname by the way.

Can we talk about that?

Right.

Right.

And then it's like, I'm, and I'm always like, man,

I don't know if I'm there yet with like, like for me,

I have to give you the nickname.

Exactly.

You can't just come in like, what's up, man?

I'm slim or whatever.

And I'm like, there's two, there's two popes

or three popes in a 20 year period.

God is free to call them whatever he wants.

Listen, I'm God, okay.

I decide what you're called.

You could be Pope fucking asshole.

I'm the one who decides asshole.

I'm God, get it right.

All right, that's a new thing we've been trying to do.

Oh, yeah, you're right.

God with the soundboard.

Well, Jesse, yeah, we should let you go anyway

because we got to record some stuff for our YouTube's.

But they usually keep guests for a while.

Yeah, we'll fix it all in post.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to have love talking to you guys.

Yeah, he'll just come back.

Yeah, I mean, you guys should come on, come on,

come on probably science some time.

Oh, very fun.

We can talk about World War Three.

Or is it, or we could talk about the proof of our existence

or lack thereof.

Yeah, I think if World War Three happens,

it'll be through complete, nobody wants that.

Wait, it's just already happening.

I live in the world where it's already happening

and on and popping right now.

I guess, I guess, you know, the definition is already

Russia and China in full out aerial battles.

Well, yeah, proxy conflicts with Russia and China are not World War Three.

That's just, oh, come on, bro, this is like

to set in what's, come on now.

Well, no, I mean, you'll know.

I know.

You'll know.

That's a good, yes, I know.

Listen, I'm again, I'm God and I decide when it's World War Three.

It's World War Three right now, okay?

All right.

Jesse, it's better for the numbers if we're calling it World War Three.

Russia is providing, that's not why.

That's not why, Jesus.

Anyway, a great news is a great, anyway, yeah.

And maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, Jesse, I think everyone wants to prevent that.

You know, I think it is.

But anyway, Jesse, shamelessly promote,

we can, shamelessly promote yourself.

Um, okay, I'm Jesse, my name's Jesse Case.

That's at Jesse Case on Twitter and, um, and all that.

And I don't have Instagram, I need to get one.

I just never did it, you know, so it seems too late now.

It seems like it's never too late.

Actually, it is too late.

You should get on something else like TikTok or Bluska or something.

Right, it's not whatever people are doing.

Yeah, yeah, they're doing now.

I know, I've been left behind.

Are you on the YouTubes?

No, but you know what, you're alive.

I'm alive, but you know, come catch a show.

Listen to probably science.

Listen to Jesse versus cancer.

If that's your thing, um, starting episode one,

it's a real journey, you know, and, um, yeah, you know, I'm around.

I'll be out, cool.

I'll be out yelling, uh, yelling jokes at strangers.

That's what I said.

All right, Jesse.

Well, we're glad you're here.

I'm glad I'm here.

Bless you and, uh, bless you and, uh, thank you.

And, and, and, uh, all that good stuff.

We'll get to know you more in the future.

And hopefully have the billionaires and trellinars

won't, won't, won't smite us.

We'll talk about happy things like puppies.

Sure.

Yeah, okay.

Okay, thanks.

Thanks, Jesse.

Yeah, I'm from Puppy Talk.

All right.

Thanks, Jesse.

Love you, buddy.

Love you too.

Bye.