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our fans, we are about to jump in to a full round review with Luke Keary. But since recording,

news has broken. Zach Lomax signed with Rugby Australia and the Western force. I'm here with

Charlie White to discuss and react to the news. It's over to an extent. Our game has lost a

star. But finally, we can put a line through it for two years. We can move on. We can stop talking

about Zach Lomax on every show at every opportunity. I think it's a huge shame from being honest for

Rugby League that they lose a player of Zach Lomax's quality. When he wants to stay in the NRL,

his preference will be to stay in the NRL. I think that's a huge, huge shame. People say,

we've got tons of other players. It's next man up mentality. Yeah, of course it is. But

Zach Lomax is a star and he's now going to get put on stage for Rugby Union and potentially

bring more eyeballs to Rugby Union. We're always in the code war. So I think Lomax, it's a shame for

Rugby League. Happy for Zach Lomax, everybody's got himself a club. Yeah, I'm really pleased that

Zach Lomax, the athlete, is able to perform because I've said this before about

your time as a professional is rationed, even more so at the peak of your powers. Zach is certainly

in that phase. I'd resigned to losing him anyway. So, had you ever seen the store when he

came out? No, I'd resigned to losing him at the back end of last year when he asked for his

release. So I was like, well, he's gone. And you know, I think that fell through and then

all this stuff around the storm. Like, he is going to be a loss of the game, but good on paramount

for sticking to their guns. Just, you know, spoke about potentially going to Perth Bears,

speaking to Brent Reed, he was like, they don't seem as part of their plans because of a culture

thing, which made me think, well, why do the Melbourne storm want him but the Perth Bears don't?

It's been the saga that just won't end, but finally, now it is. I think, you know, you speak

there, Charlie, about, you know, attracting eyeballs to another code. People are going to tune in

and watch this home ruby union well cop. Either way, whether Zac Lomax is there, whether no

long any to what I say is there, whether, you know, and surely he angus craton, whoever's there,

they're going to tune in and watch. And there's an argument to say that a backline that consists of

those four players that come from Ruby League is just an exactly put the ruby union pathways

in a magnificent light that if, and there is a possible world where four of those are in the

back five, or X Ruby League players, that it's my understanding that are signed up until the end

of it. And then they go, thanks for the op at the well, cop, see you later. Well, I think Mark

no longer need to, I say, and, uh, sewer Lee, I think they played ruby union growing up. Didn't

they say? Yeah, well, I think Rob Mark can, yeah, yeah, and angus craton was a scot's boy,

which is a private school, which plays, so I, they can probably take credit for some of those guys.

No, no, no, no, no, they're not taking credit for their professional development. No, but I think

they can, they played, hey, I played for the school, um, for both teams, the school soccer team,

but I'm not lost to soccer, am I? Do you know what I mean? Like we can all, we all play different

sports growing up. Yeah, to a different extent, but these guys all made a minus mark no one

can need to I say. And the, the other three, they made their name in league, and no one can

need to I say made his name in league. Yeah, he did make his name, but he had a good World Cup.

Yeah, well, why is he now a superstar? Well, because of what he's been doing in the

footy field, I mean, and the free calculate that he is in, yeah, and he's a big loss to

Rob Yulee, Mark, no one need to I say. He's a big loss. And like all these players now were

losing to union. It's like, this was a chance to keep one of our, our players in Zach Lomax,

and I think Paramata should have done what was better for the game considering what I said last

week. They did win out of this situation. They got Jonah Pesner. They got Brian Kelly. They

used that Zach Lomax money to strengthen their roster. They have made a mistake for the betterment

of the game. In my opinion, just my opinion by letting Zach Lomax go. That's fair. I think

you make a valid point, and I accept it. And yes, the game is better with Zach Lomax in undoubtedly,

but you could argue that the game is better when our release clause is signed and the teams

are upheld. Yeah. Like, because if you make, if you're willing to to bend the rules for one,

you got to bend the rules for them all. So what's stopping any other player just asking for

a lease for whatever particular reason, and just going to hand them with another club, and just

saying, well, if Zach did it, then I think it opens up a huge can of worms. And then just on the

whole, like, this is making rugby Australia or Australian rugby union, the Wall of Bees better.

Like, for me, this causes a rift in that camp. You've got four excellent, you've got four

ex-leagues that are going to be probably for the highest paid, maybe for the highest six or seven

paid players. Like, if you're like that, that you know, are likely to jump ship and piss off.

Like, it hardly screams like, you know, Zach is spoken about how it's a truly international

stage, quoting him, and like, don't bullshit me, mate. Like, you had no aspiration to play for

the Wall of Bees growing up. Yeah. It's just nonsense. These are just tag up, these are PR lines.

Like, that's just not, he didn't have any aspiration to play for the Wall of Bees in the

World Cup. This was an opportunity, an opportunity that came around by poor advice to Zach Lomax.

Terrible advice. His management has let him down, like, and if I obviously am able to sack my

managers, both of them, clinch and kovsky, Steve Gillis, I would have sacked them, got rid of them,

if I was Zach Lomax, because the fact that they let him sign this agreement with Paramata when

they had no true guarantee, like, it's actually like some of the worst management advice that I've

ever seen in sport. You just don't do it until until the competition, until you see that press

conference, we're going ahead. Until the money landing your bank account, which you should have

asked for upfront, it's not that it wouldn't be a world first where a player has gone, okay, show me

the money, and I want some upfront. You know, we look at the new soccer league in Saudi Arabia.

You can't tell me that Cristiano Ronaldo and some of those top players that moved over there

that got presented with four tunes, like four tunes, didn't go, all right, that sounds great, but

I'm going to need some of that upfront because your league hasn't started yet, and

call me a skeptic. I need to see some proof that you're actually serious about this competition.

I imagine the guys who got paid shitloads would have taken a cash upfront. Hang on, let's,

if you're serious, you make the first move. I'm not making the first move, you make the first move,

like it was understood that a number of other rugby league players were about to break contract

or request releases. They were smart enough to go, well, let's just put the cue on the rack a

little bit and you move first. Yeah, let's see if it's real. Let's see, you make the announcement,

you put the money in the bank account, and the way we go. And I don't think it's any a surprise

that Ryan Papenhausen and Zach Lomax both have the same manager and both ended up in this position.

They obviously their managers drunk the R360 Cool Aid to the highest order, saw the dollar signs

got excited, wanted to cash in for their clients. Good on them for wanting to do that. However,

it's such a poor, poor mistake. And it's led to this chain of events that now Zach Lomax is

leaving the NRL. And he's talking about, yeah, baguettes playing for baguettes and Louis Vuitton

sponsorships. Well, I guess we'll, I guess we'll see, it could be a master's strike. Well,

whichever way, I think league wins, NRL wins, because you've either got a back four or part of your

back five and 75% more than that, four out of five of those come from, well, 80% of those come

from a very much formed in Lee background with the view of going back to rugby league at the end

of the World Cup. Or it fails and will be Australia in turmoil, the decision making processes

question. And again, I look at how squads are formed together and some people see through the BS.

We've had it before with international eligibility here in league and, you know, some Australian

base players come and play in for England, that sound Australian. And you know, that's met with

skepticism of like, well, hang on, are you here because you want to play for England or you hear

because you want to be on the international stage? And at different stages, there's, or it's a case

by case. I think it hurts rugby league though. You say benefits. I think it hurts for a league.

Like the, the biggest loss in my opinion from a, from a spectator standpoint of Mark Nguangni

Tawaso, like the stuff he does on a footy foot is incredible. Like he's must see TV every single week.

Even that warrior's game, he kicked, you see that little like bicycle kick he did with the ball.

Like that's a kind of play that only he would can do. And only he will attempt. He's really creative

and like comes up with his insane plays. That's a huge loss for NREL. Zach Lomax is a big loss for

NREL. And yeah, I know people say he steps up, but it's still a loss for NREL. The NREL is losing.

And all it came down to was because the, the agreement wasn't up to scratch. But well, I get,

again, I think that that released document has to stand for something and you can say power one,

but us going as their fans, if they care, he was their player. Yeah. I'm still amazed. And I saw

the statement from Ryan Madison, where he came out and explained why he didn't do it. He got,

you know, briefed at the last minute. And that is pretty poor form that he was briefed at the last

moment. I'm with you on that. He should have been part of that process from the moment he was

muted. But I'm amazed he didn't want to go to Melbourne as well, though. Yeah, I mean,

I'll continue playing first grade footy. Yeah, I mean, obviously he's got his reasons. He doesn't

have to. He moved to warrington last year and came back to power clearly, not in their plans.

You know, it would have been a nice favor for him, but you know, he's got his reasons and he

doesn't have to justify it to anybody. No, he doesn't. There is a big show coming up with you and

Luke Curie. I will say this one of the great podcasts. I've heard you record Luke Curie in

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Good Friends at Labrokes. Charlie, it seems strange to say this, but there's a lot riding on this

game between the Manly Seagulls at home against last year's Walden Spooners, the Newcastle Knights.

Yeah, a lot of pressure already on the Manly Seagulls and Anthony Seabob. The Seagulls paying

$1.57, the Newcastle Knights $2.45, of course, without Fletcher Sharp, and the line is four and a half

points. Yeah, Charlie, like you say, a lot riding on this one. I want to stay away from the

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Charlie White is looking after that, but cares. Round one is done and dusted. We've been same

backstage. Trial form out the window. Filled me. I'll never watch a trial again, honestly.

Now, you know what, it's great for the, I was thinking about it coming, it's great for the young

boys, and I remember our first tasting charity shield, but throughout the window, the Titans and

the Eels were fighting it out for the, for the first place, and they both got 50 put on them.

Yeah, the, the dragons were woeful in trials. They actually, when you Castle didn't score a point

against bootogs, they, um, you said it week one, you said, don't watch them. Don't watch them.

Yeah, don't watch them. Uh, Kez, how was the, uh, the, the weekend for you? Obviously, you've

got a big day today as well with the new TV show starting. Are you excited for that? Yeah,

I actually am. I actually am. A bit of flat-class, no, like filming in Melbourne. Is that matter?

Oh, that's, is that a bit petty? I mean, I mean, who cares, we still, like, we're with the location,

the studio is, is irrelevant, whether it is Pear, Tasmania, Northern territory, who, who cares?

It is what it is. It should be fun. Oh, you know what, I'm excited for, like channel seven

are coming in there serious about it, and it's great for our game, right? Then they've got these,

they've got the World Cup rights to themselves at the end of the year, so they're going to,

they'll have to put a team together for that. Um, and then all the, the chat is they want to have a

serious crack at some rights in 28. I don't know what that looks like, but, um, like it's great for

our game. We had Peter on Invagus, and he said, it's the first time they've had all these

broadcasters kind of all interested in, in the right. So it's great for, it's great for our game.

And hopefully, um, you know, it gives something a little bit different. Obviously,

nine do a really good job, and Fox, obviously do a really good job during the week, but hopefully,

something a little bit different than what we've seen the AFL do one, which has been really successful,

but we'll see how we go. So ruffle a few feathers already. You're going to have to,

with the crew that you've got. You'll be in the mix there, but, uh, I think it's,

it just showcases where the game is at. Um, on, on a bigger picture level that

where we are is again, we've now got interest. I mean, you wouldn't have to go back that long

before we're at a time where, you know, major partners, TV networks sort of wanted to distance

themselves from, I guess, maybe the image. Yep. A little bit of the sport and everything around it,

but, um, you know, the game is, uh, has put itself in a really strong position that

now it is an attractive proposition for potential partners, sponsors, networks, streaming

services to be a part of it and credit to the players, the game for showcasing themselves in

the way that they do. Um, and it's, it's great to, to be a small part of that hero on the

by-round and multiple things that we, that we do in and around the game, but it's in such a strong

position that it does generate interest and, and I, I'm competition to have a piece of

Ruby League NRL on your network. Well, it's an interesting one too, because there's all the articles,

I say, pre-Crissey about Perth coming in there and seven kind of have that stronghold in the

papers, I don't know how it's all aligned and things like that, but seven have obviously,

they're, they're, they're seeing an opportunity in the game. They're seeing the growth and the,

and the hype and everything around it. And they've obviously made a conscious decision,

even that World Cup, that decision was probably made month, oh years ago, we are going in,

and they're actually serious about, and it's great to see because it'll tap into another

audience. We've got Charlie White Sunrise every week talking Ruby League, like honestly,

but it is, like we're tapping into that Melbourne audience, because they, you know, they turn

channel seven on knowing the Ruby League's on channels, the AFL's on channel seven, we turn

on channel nine on the weekends, because we know the boys are covering the Ruby League, so we're

just slowly turning that dial, and it's very important for that, that Perth team, that we do get

seven on board, and they are genuine partners in the game. It's a really interesting point you

made that. I've never thought of it like that, where if Ruby League has a footprint on seven

those people that are automatically on that channel, get a, get a taste, get a glimpse of

Ruby League, it's not, it's not just purely that the one sport, it's showcasing ourselves to perhaps

a different audience, which could pick interest, you know, oh, actually I'm going to, I'm going to

watch that, you know, I look at doing the promotion of, you know, fighting, does it so well, boxing,

MMA, like they do it, the buildup shows, they're better than the actual fights, and sounds like

the counter, the UFC countdowns, like sometimes I'm like, oh, it sells you, it hooks you in, so.

Like we'll probably never get those, those dial AFL fans, and I'm the same, but as I slowly

learn and met a few of the AFL boys, you slowly start to follow them, and oh, the, the Derby's on

this weekend in Sydney, or someone so moved from July, you start to follow the game just a little bit,

and that's all we need, and even make, we're at Melbourne Storm team, what they've done down there,

they deserve to have a lot more followers, but hopefully we're just, you tap into a few more of

those guys, and then, yeah, it'll be very interesting to see, one of your bold predictions was

the rights will look a lot different, moving forward, and that could be a big part of it, you know,

those two, three days going at it, Fox sits somewhere in the middle, it'll be, it's a really

interesting time. Yeah, interesting time in terms of how technology and how, you know,

platforms display their content, and the evolving world that we live in it, in all that, but

the future is looking bright and credit to the players and all the gamers, we've said,

anything else happening on the weekend cares, or was it just, or football focused?

So in Vegas, I was lucky enough, Charlie said, come, come on the Sunday sinbin.

So they're right, I would do Sunday sinbin, as I played, you hear it every now and then on the radio,

you've always, one of the most volatile shows I've ever heard in my life, if you haven't,

if you haven't listened, tune in, what time, Sundays, what time? Midday.

Midday. New South Wales 11 a.m. Brisbane.

Honestly, Gordon Tullis, James Graham, Brent Reed, Ben Dot, it is, it's outrageous.

Mate, I've walked into the commentary box at in Vegas, and Ben Dobin comes sprinting out,

and I barely met Dobbo, and he's yelling at Charlie going, he can't say that about me on air.

He can't say that. He's, oh, he's gonna bring up.

Actually, can I say it?

Jimmy was going to bring us that really controversial, Ben Dobbo said, I'm not going to cut this,

it's the first show of the year, I'm not dealing with this all year.

I think basically there was some documents that were released,

and Dobbo spent hours to make sure that he wasn't included in those documents,

just, and I was going to say this, yeah, he was not happy.

And what are those documents where, I mean, it was a long, long read,

like, millions of these documents to go through.

And I said, he spent his whole time in, I was going to say that, he spent his whole time in Las Vegas,

scrolling through, skim reading, proofreading to make sure his name was not included in whatever

these documents were, these photographs, but.

But do yourself a favour, if you, it's crazy. I sat in there the first one as a neutral and could

feel it, and then yesterday it was, Gordy come in and answers.

If you're not on someone's team, you're in trouble.

Yeah, it was, it was, it was a, it was a fun show, yes.

They were, we brought some a few points up, we're going to have a bit of a deep dive into,

into later. But self-signy, what, what a, what a statement, where now I was, I was nervous for

selfs going up there against the dolphins who I've got as one of the competition favourites.

I really do think the dolphins didn't adjust to the conditions. A couple of times trying to get on

the outside of players in the wet, glating with that touch line, some crash ball plays to the

edge back rows at the line, which is, is always difficult. It did work on a couple of occasions,

they played short to their edges, but yeah, disappointed from dolphins, but selves,

wow, what, what a left edge threat that is, Dave's for feet, a minus the simbing,

would have played 80 minutes, can't recall him doing that in his career, more of an impact

style edge back row, but what a performance from that, that left edge self-signy across the park.

Just watching him, it felt like when we used to play watching Cody, when he used to play him in

2018-19, you know what I mean? When they were in that peak of their powers,

he even watched on the trail, it reminded me of when I got to play with him and he was the left

center, like, thinking he had nine runs, he was in the game, but he wasn't having 20 carries,

had to be around the ball, bring back kick returns, push out the back of shape on both sides of

the field, it was just like, this is a literal that I knew really well, and it was eight to 12

touches a game, every touch counted, he was dangerous, he's defense, he was aggressive,

I'd loved watching a smile on his face, kicking goals, like, everything that made him the great

player when he was at the roosters, and then not that he wasn't a great, hasn't been great for

us, but that totally different role in the center.

Directing that, that's his best position, moving forward, no?

I do personally, but I was lucky enough to have him there, and he was young, he's unbelievable,

he's unbelievable, he's not going to be that guy, I don't think he's going to be that guy,

it's going to have the 20 carries, he's not going to be 20 carries a game, 220 metres,

it's just not him, he's 110 kilos, he's like power athlete,

get him in the center, get him those touches with space around him one-on-one,

and letting him be the best left center in the game.

Yeah, and just be fresh for the moment, that's an important distinction to make, I think,

sometimes it falls back, it does require a tremendous, it requires a different energy system,

I think, you've got to be, you cover so much ground, you can't afford to miss a trick,

and defensively even the movement patterns, they don't stop moving across the back, I always say,

this 20 fan that goes to magic round, there's three games on that day, watching opposition fall back,

or watching, when you're watching a game that you don't have skin in the game of,

watch the defensive movement patterns of fall, but it's incredible to watch just how much ground

they cover, with the trawlin' centres with David Pafito, if you're defending that, it's good luck.

I like David, he was 20 carries 150 metres, and I reckon he's still got a lot left to give,

like there's a few there where he just got it standing still, but if that's a sign of what's

to come, it's scary, because what he, we haven't seen, I haven't seen this since the first coming

at the Broncos, and even Cody, last year I think we would have played eight to ten games,

soft issues, let Touchwood, that nothing happens to him, but he looked like vintage Cody,

and he's the key to unlock that whole edge. Yeah, and he kicked that 40-20, which,

first one ever. I think I'll write, yeah, I read this yesterday, it was, it was not known for that,

really? No, and it was such a momentum turn of the dolphins, they were getting, they sensed

an opportunity, it was their best defensive set of the game, and then Cody Walker kicks that 40-20,

and it just popped the bubble. I think they had four sets after, and ended up scoring off the back

of it, and it was... A couple of kicks in, repeat sets. Cody Walker just massed a class in short,

kicking game, and then interestingly, they took him off without ten minutes to go, just put him

into... Yeah, in some top more than I think. They would have to do that at times this year, I think.

Yeah, I think it was the right move. Got to compliment Keon Kola and Matangi, but what a

performer from him, as well as Cammory. Cammory's late footwork is absolutely incredible. There's

not many that have that ability to carry the football into three defenders, completely outnumbered,

and then win that collision, and when I'm talking about win the collision, it means

standing in the tackle, or winning the play the ball like every time. The opposition can't seem to

put him in, put him on his back, or it's so strong, a slow play the ball. He always has that

leg up. He finds a way to get free his head, to play the ball quickly, and he often gets six

agains or quick play the balls for Mama Zoolers and the likes. Yeah, we probably forgot about him a

little bit, like he had the year off last year. Before that year off, he was him and Yo, the two best

locks in the comp, by a fair stretch, I think, and a scene back, he changes the whole dynamic of

that pack. Keon looked like a proper alpha, like he looked like a Adam Fennell Blake, Fischer Harris,

pain to assert, like that dominant middle, which is great signs for the for the Dragon's fans who

will get him next year in the middle. But they looked like a very good football team, and they

look like they still have a couple more gears to go through. They'll get fitter. They've got to

stay injury free. Brandon's a big one for him. Thought they lacked a little bit out of nine,

if they can get Brandon back, get him going. It's another point of attack for him,

because they lost Ashton Ward early in the game. It was really disappointing, because

thought he was good in the trials, was looking forward to watching him play. There's still that

question mark on the right side. Jai Gray was good again through the middle. Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it's a bit, it's a massive one this week, like the roosters are obviously going to be

really disappointed. See how it's going to be up. It'll be interesting to see how that left edge

goes against that roosters right edge, which which leaked a couple. Yeah, well, we're going to come

to that in a moment. I think it as well for for self Sydney, without Brandon Smith, one of their

main players who make us feel the middle. They have got more more gears, more to give.

On the, on the side of the dolphins though, shout out to Morgan Nulls, making his debut St.

Halenslad. Got a lot of love and respect for me. He knocked well over 50 tackles, contributed

really well. I just felt, yeah, the dolphins, it was quite a frustrating performance from them.

And I do have them finishing up in the top eight, but we look back to last year, started the

season known for losses against two losses against the eventual wooden speakers in the night's day.

They still feel like a game that got away for them. They have, everyone's been, everyone has

said they're going to take the next step. And at everything on paper, they are last five games

last year. That's 64, 38, 58, 30, 62 point on them. Yeah. They now had 63 times. They've literally

just picked up where they're in the trials. Titans put a few on them. Second trial, they leaked

again. They have to fix that defensive because we know they've got the point. They're going to,

they're 20 to 30 points every week with Katoa there. Hammer. They need to fix that defense.

Plath, I think played reserve grade on the weekend. Donahue was like, they're going to get these

guys with Morgan Knowles, who are all really mobile middles can play goals, but they need to fix

their defense and give Katoa a chance to be in these games. They cannot, you can't go through the

year winning 38, 30, 40. That was 40 to 30. They've got to send out some, yeah. They're not making

the top eight doing that. Yeah, they don't want to be a team that's known for just getting in the

shootout. Like, no, they don't want to be constantly. That's what the tight tights are behind for.

They'll win some of them. They'll lose some of them, but it's not sustainable. It's not

consistent football either. You can't get consistent wins playing that style in that round.

But it is concerning because they were there. Roosters manly dolphins fighting for that eight

spot last year. Roosters put 60 on them, manly put 60 on them. The back end, and they were right.

I know they had a lot of injuries, but that it's concerning for Christian Wolf. They'll need to

fix that. Yeah, I can say for me, like from a middle's point of view, you know, playing in the

wet, and we know that Salsa got threats on that left edge specifically. The ride's not bad either,

by the way, with Jack Wayne and Campbell Graham there, but their markers, they just clocked off

on a couple of occasions and went to their next job. I go into it. And just twice.

Showing and going from the dummy half. In the wet, you just protect the immediate. You

always protect the immediate anyway. And maybe it was a lack of respect for the people in there at

dummy half thinking, oh, he's just going to pass off the ground and I'll get to my next job,

which is the Pearson carrier. It looks like the Pearson that's about to receive the football, but

yeah, it was noticeable to see them get. Yeah, just dipping that concentration

early in the season. Wolf, you'll be into his players about that. He's got to be.

Yeah, they'll, they need to sort that because they've got points. We know they've got points.

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That right edge contains contains contains daily cherry events. And you mentioned the Sunday

Simmin. I wasn't critical of DC. I think it is his first game. Yeah, listen to it. He should be

given time to adjust because it's a new team. But I think that with Locky Galvin and how

he was spoken about the scrutiny on him being a new player in a team that obviously had

ramifications for other players that were already in the organization. Galvin comes in and people

assemble Toby sections gone and read Marnie's gone. How one player can take away the spot of two

is beyond me. Compare that to DCE where he's come in and Hugo Savala was injured, but probably

he wouldn't have played in the start and side. And Sandra Smith moves to Newcastle. One is at the

time he was a 19 year old coming into this team and faced tremendous that the most public scrutiny

around assigning I've ever witnessed in the NRL every element of his performance scrutinised.

He wins the game against the dragons with a cutout pass. You know, kind of nothing to see here. The

Bulldogs jagged that one. Bulldogs play a game against Pembroke Panthers. They lose 8-6. So

when Nathan Cleary charged down kick on Matt Ben I believe it was. Why did that try happen? Or

because Galvin caused a line break four or five plays ago. And everything about his performance

from this teen age at the time was pulled from pillar to post and how he ruined the dog's

opportunity of a potential premiership. Let's compare DCE coming in. The two players have left

or can't play for the team because of him coming in. He's an ex-Queenson captain at the age of

37. For me, the new president has been set. Defensively, he was caught out on his right shoulder

and his left shoulder. He's got a huge task ahead of him this week. I'm just interested to hear

your thought. I know obviously you were in the position that I am with Galvin. Last year, it's

got to be a disappointing start to his roots this career and you know that it is the chat around

how we can fix this. Is it about bringing Hugo in as soon as he's available?

No, it won't be. Like they have made a decision as a club to bring Dali in for certain reasons.

I think can take that team to the next level. And that'll either be proven or not proven in the

next month, two, three, four months. But it was a disappointing start. Dali would be disappointed

with himself. The team's disappointed. Their discipline was not good. Their completion rate was

not good. To walk over there can see 40 points in round one. To a worry side missing Matt Carfen

Barnett. That's not a great start. Like you said, Jimmy, as an player, you expect

when these things happen, people are going to talk about it. And Dali would expect this right.

He knows this is the number one talking point in the he's probably the number one

talked about player right at the start of this season. He's this big signing from Manley played

350 first grade games. He's come over. He's you know, a couple of kids have to be

kind of moved for him to be put in this side. It's no secret they're brought in there to win a

win a comp. He's been brought to that club to win a comp. Yeah, experienced hard to partner.

The same way Koopa was brought in over Mitchell Pierce, who was the New South Wales Heartback,

Koopa was brought in to win them a comp. And that's what like he's going to be judged every

single week on things like did he get him back on track? How's his defense? Is he is he making

that side better? Is he making it worse? And the commentators and analysts have to have to

judge him on what we've seen like like you said. And the narrative around Galvan was driven

by different parts of the media. Not in a great way. Let's be honest. It was clearly there was

other things. Clearly people weren't happy with his manager. Clearly people weren't happy with

gas. People weren't happy with how it played out. And then they decided we're going to just keep

adding pressure to this situation at every single and it's going to be people that do this

with daily cherry events. It's going to be people that just keep adding pressure. And that's not

an unfair thing or a fair thing. It's just it is what it is. This is our game. This is what

you're paid to do. You're paid to watch a player and then analyse these performance whether it's

good or bad. Well, you know what, it's interesting you say that like people say, oh you paid for

your opinion. But these are the conversations that I'm having a school drop off at the gym,

the cafe, the pubs, you know, with social, you know, interactions in general. Like we talk about

the game and pretty much everything I say here. I'm talking about with people who are no, anyway,

the WhatsApp groups that go around like. And you know what, the same conversations are going on

or sorry, we'll be going on internally. I know this from experience, not from being there today.

You're having that same conversation like if you perform bad, you're walking into the coaches

off the ground. Show me what show me how to get better. The coach will show them this is what

you've done. Like the same conversations that the public are having, the same conversations that

are going on. It's not like you just go, oh, let's just forget about that one and move on. It's not

what happens. But back to your original question. Yes, not good enough from the team, from the team

for starters. From the team. And then Daly would be disappointed with his own performance as with

others in that team. But there's only you get back on the horse and you go again. But again,

and I don't want to, you know, not saying sing to that level is wrong. But the team would be

disappointed. They lose Spencer and you in the warm up. Rob Toyer pulls out. I think that's a big one,

the Toyer one. Hopefully they're getting back, but that's a big one, right? Because that's where

he defends next to the very right. And they would have spent every or all those reps in three

season training together. But again, these reasons that I'm willing to accept them as reasons,

but some people will call them excuses. Well, you've just got to perform. It does matter. You know,

Galvan had plenty of reasons to, you know, he's new to that extremely detailed defensive system.

He had two weeks to get himself up to speed with it. Like, nobody, nobody gets a pass mark anymore.

I'm looking at Tottenham Hotspur. Three games in their new manager and people are calling for

given. I think what are the ends? Get ends. Got a month. And all my debts come in now. He's

had three games, three losses. People are calling for him to go. Whether or not we agree or disagree,

this is the world that we're in. No, we have the same in 1989 with Cooper. I think we sat four

down in Anzac and we lost Anzac Day. Got hammered by the dragons. And then the talk was,

yeah, the talk was, they've made the wrong decision. And like, whether it was the right or wrong

decision, as players, we were just in this, just keep going and trying to get this right,

fight for everything you can. And whether we didn't know whether it was going to come right or not.

You just do, but those decisions are for the club and the coach. And then those players will

expect people to critique them. Then, you know, I mean, no one's, I don't think any of them

will shirk that. Yeah. Especially there at the roosters. You know what you're getting in for when

you're at that club. And the talk is going to come of it is Savala. Yep. It's so it should

be out of good. He had a good season last year. Should Connor Watson come in at 5 a.

Like, which could potentially potentially work, especially when Reese Robson returns to the

phrase. Again, another reason, Reese Robson out with that hand injury, like there's a key member

you're spying, but again, the excuses are out the window. And I feel a bit for DCE because

he'll be made to scapegoat for this loss when there's numerous factors. You mentioned that

the discipline, both with them without the football. Like, Sam Walker kicked twice in tackles

two or three, maybe even tackled one or zero. I can't recall exactly the detail, but it was very

early kicks. And that's that's Sam Walker, but we accept that because he's that's the type of player

that he is. And for every kick on play one that goes dad and he can see the seven tackles,

he start, you'll settle for try that no one else can do. Yeah. He daily would have known coming

to the club that what he's in for. He's not he's been around the game. He knows where if this

is turns out great, his legacy is cemented, right? Yeah. If it turns out not great,

it's a blamish on it and he's going to get absolutely hammered by everyone in the game,

which he was getting hammered last year. Anyway, at the end of his time at Manley,

Cooper knew the same thing. The reason why you bring these guys in is to influence the team.

Right. Cooper wasn't there to run around setting up tries and and all that. He was there to

influence the team and guide us through different parts of the season and different parts of games,

where the obviously the coach and at the club thought we weren't up to scratch in that level to

get us a premiership. And part of that is the discipline, the errors, the completion rates. I

guess that's part of a half-back show. And unfortunately, that's part of their job. It's part of

them talking to the middles about holding the ball and getting different spots and pushing

around the ball and things like that. It's all part of a half-back show. That's the intricacies

that people don't wouldn't be able to. You can't measure them. You can't measure our daily

influences of the team to get to their kick and put the kick in the right spot. Can I just ask you

on Rooster's philosophy or Rooster's way? For me, as an outsider looking in, they've never

been too concerned about conceding penalties or making errors. Is that a fair observation?

It's not high on the priority list. Because statistically, since Rob has been there,

they've been one of the most penalised teams and then probably completed one of the lowest

through the competition, through that period. The penalties never used to matter too much. They'd

give a lot of way defending their own goal line and they were full penalties, whereas now they

heard a lot more. Since 2020, they've heard a lot more. And I was there through that period. We

had to make an adjustment where we went. This is killing us, so the game's more about possession now.

And if you go under 48% possession, your chances are winning drastically decrease.

Just purely on that.

Justically decreasing.

Yeah, pre-2020, it wasn't as bad. You could get away with having 47, 46% of possession. Defend

your goal line. The game is a bit slower, full penalties down there. Every time there's a penalty,

you get to stop and have a break. But there is a philosophy there of we want you to express

yourself. We want you to pass the ball. They always pass. A lot of the forwards pass to each other.

They come from those early days with Sonny Bill Williams, pushing Aiden Gwerer, Sam Moll,

they used to pass the ball. Victor Radley came in, used to pass the ball to back row,

as a board coordinator and things like that. So they encourage the boys to express themselves

pass the ball, play footy. We're not going to clamp down on your ridiculously hard if you make

errors and things like that. And it has been a problem at certain times. There at the rooster,

and the discipline stuff, again, read its head on the weekend. I think it was 11 to four.

But that's not Kuwinson. That just doesn't happen. There's something there.

Yeah, there is something a bit lopsided. I guess there's not a Kuwinson. Let's say there was

three or four that weren't. It still weren't this one. Yeah, still weren't this one.

I think the positive side for the roosters is their ability to attack. And if they get that

even share possession, even being such a lopsided penalty count, they did put up a hell of a fight,

and they can create some magnificent opportunities. I thought Bill Smith was great to see him

fit. You wonder what could have been for his career, but hopefully he's got an injury-free

couple of seasons ahead of him. But it's not all doom and gloom for the roosters.

They come back despite having a limited possession and territory. They still created

opportunities. Like you said, they passed the ball around. That team, a bit like the dolphins,

they're not going to have trouble finding points, I believe. I think their attack was a little

bit, it wasn't great. They were all over the shop, but they've got the guys. When you get it out

wide, James Sidesco breaks five tackles, Mark breaks three tackles, Billy Smith breaking tackles,

they're not going to have trouble. It's the other side of the ball where they need to improve.

That's the same as the dolphins. You can't go through the season, conceding 30 and 40 points

and expect to be in the top four. It does not happen. You need to be top two defensive team if

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packed house, those home games are going to be so important for them and you mentioned it. No

Barnett, he will be back soon and no Metcalf, Tanner Boyd. He has got to take him the 6th

Dalien point. He was awesome. Probably we are shooting down some halves and we are talking

up. Is that the best game of his NRL career? He was awesome. Obviously we would know Metcalf.

I think it was Dave Ricker saying he had a chance to go back to the Titans. The Titans tried to

get him back last year and he said no. I am going to stick out here. I like Webstar. I will get my

chance at certain times. He was out there three tries. He had the try where he ran the ball at the

start. He was great to see him. He was like an on-ball half, Chanel stayed over on the left,

clocks had stayed over on the rock. He was actually good to watch. It will be interesting to see

when Metcalf comes back. How they play. I think Metcalf has to go back to 7th. It's great to know

Jackson Ford. He pumped out 80 minutes. When Barnett comes back, Fisher Harris Barnett

Ford and they got these young kids on the bench. Howler Seymour. Stalas Smith was really

like they can do something. I reckon they have got a few levels to go to. They would have been

disappointed with their defence. They missed a lot of tackles. Roosters rolled through them at

certain times. They have got a few more years to go. But they are outstanding. At home,

put 40 points on the Roosters Round 1. It's a fair effort. It is. Just quickly onto

casting our minds forward to next week or this week or rather. You are a left-edge half.

You are coming up against DCE and you have David, Fetter and LaTrial Mitchell and AJ.

Are you bouncing into that going? I want to give my opposition some nightmares here.

Yeah, they are having a crack. Well, the south are going to anyway. It doesn't matter

the opposition, but there is going to be a lot of questions asked. A lot of questions asked there.

Every chance they will get, they are going that way. It wouldn't surprise you if they make

double the amount of tackles as those guys on the left. So you go into the line and you have

a Mitchell on his outside for Fetter on his inside? Yeah, they will like that match up. A lot of

teams will like that match up this year with Fetter on a half. It is going to be interesting if

they bring Grave because Cody likes to play a lot just with LaTrial and Fetter, his centre and

back rower. Be interesting to see if they do bring the full back around, but don't think they

need to. No. Like the way Cody plays, he is going to put them under a lot of pressure.

It is going to be good to see because they are going to have to fix a few things where the Rob

toyer comes back. That is a big one. I think Junior Paug is probably the option there. They

told me to allow. I got injured in the New Seas Cup game. Yeah, he did. That is unfortunate.

Juniorly to play there. Rob may come back in, not sure what will happen, but they are going to

be in for a big, big test. Yeah, I think the early understanding is that toyer will be back.

Alex Johnson is one away from Eqeling, Ken Irvine's record, LaTrial Mitchell could have

put him over like he could, but he didn't. I don't know, LaTrial. I would want it to happen

next week. You think? No, 100%. It has worked out. Honestly, has he worked out any better?

You know what I was thinking? It is actually what Wayne has come out yesterday and said,

don't run on the field. This is stupid. They see us fans, elunatics. I would want to meet me on

the field. I reckon Wayne is just jealous. I reckon Wayne is just jealous because he can't get

down there from his coach's box. It has been all that time getting down to run on to celebrate

with AJ. Everyone would be off the field and then he'd have to work his way back up to the box.

I mean, look, maybe Wayne's got his reasons and his rationale that he wants to just crack

on with the game and... It could end up an absolute disaster. What for people running on?

Roosters, well Roosters rabbit those fans running on the field.

Why would Roosters fans run on? Just for the cracks. I don't know.

They're actually... Roosters right? I don't know.

They're doing some Celtic fans. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

I don't know. I think it's a huge moment in the game and I think when he does break,

we spoke about the popularity of our sport and how we're going on to different networks.

That moment that AJ breaks the try.

I can't just have the prawn sandwich. It's just given him a clap round.

Well done. Well done. No, it's like let's show the passion, show the emotion, show,

like get the host broadcaster to get in there and get in with AJ and tell them what

tell the world what it means to break this record. It's AJ's record to break.

So it's on? It will be. Yeah. I mean, get that going everywhere.

Wayne's just jealous. I reckon that he's not able to. I love how he said it's not our game.

That's not our game. I feel but he also was for changing kickoff rules and the bench rules.

All the other rules. Yeah. He's like, your brandish needs to get up with the time.

Yeah, I reckon storm the field, get involved, get some grass while you're on there.

Yeah, Roosters. I mean, even Roosters fans get amongst it.

Break some bread. There will be a drama. I guarantee you.

I mean, I'll also just just put it out there. I mean, if you're a group of fans,

if you if you go so low, you'll get fined. Like if there's one person storm,

but if there's like a couple of thousand, they're not going to hand out fines.

I'm just imagining, I know he's not playing, but like a CS fan running past Victor and saying some

to him. Or Jared. Jared would be. Oh, yeah, that's where, yeah, it could become.

Yeah. Dangerous. I reckon, I reckon Roosters almost in their captains run. I've got a plan

for AJ going over for a second and then just come back and then just going over into there.

I remember the swan boys are walking down drive revenue after they couldn't get off the field

and they had to go off with the. Yeah. Well, it's. Oh, Charlie and Jordan storm the swans.

Did you spray any opposition? Oh, my god. Now she's coming. That's come on. Come on.

That's what someone's been. That's happened. I'm sorry. Yeah. Just Charlie and Jordan in the

background saying people are sprinkling at ashes there. That happened when I was playing at St.

Helen's. He's, he was. He actually the next day, they sprinkled the ashes on like the captains

run the next day like he was covered in this. Oh, the game was just like, oh, no, that's

disgusting. Like, it happened. He was like, I can't believe it. I actually can't believe it.

Like, I know, I know, you know what he's like, I know what this is. It's disgusting.

But yeah, I reckon let's get involved and celebrate our game. Speaking of DC, his old club,

and manly at camera, a golden point thriller, Ethan that Sanders, what a play, what a clutch play

that was. Got to give credit to referee. It was Liam Kennedy that gave the penalty to the

Raiders so much going on, so much pandemonium, looking for blockers. We know all feel goals will be

checked, but to blow the penalty to offside because camera wear, it was great. It was urgency from

camera. Tommy Turbo, it's what a carry that was. Yeah, set that potential to point field goal or

but he gives the penalty. It was such a bizarre game of football. I don't, I reckon it was a great game.

It was, it was a great game. Like the, the comebacks were all off on again. Manly out of 14,

Nile lead. Canberra didn't touch the football for the first 15 minutes. Was it 15 minutes? Yeah, it was,

it was bizarre, but it's a game that got to be quite critical of manly. I thought they lacked

urgency and as great as Sanders field goal was, I'm sure you watched it on, on your television screen

and went, what it looked wrong. Yeah, he wasn't going to take it. But, but where was the pressure?

Yeah, it was a quicker one. Tom Staling actually did a really good job. He had that play the ball

before. It was quicker than they thought it was going to be. And then I think Sanders set it on

the coverage. He said, I was thinking about just putting it in the corner and then it's kind of

quick and I got it up on the ad line and thought, I'll take a shot here. Yeah. Which is a great

like for him to do that because it's a big risk there. He misses that. Seven tackles manly go up and

get a shot. Yeah, they lacked that just at the end. I thought they were, I was, I've been

not high on them. They came out, looked like they were angry, like, like we have an FU'd everyone,

like you all think we're going to be bad this year. Tommy took that first try. I kind of could see

there was a lot of passion and motivation there, but that only lasts so long because that middle

60 minutes was, was not great. They still completed over 80% in the wet camera when at 85, like

Camber or serious, serious team. Yeah. Like they are a good rugby league club. They've exercised

that the demons of last year's playoff series. It appears so. Yeah. Well, I think those kids

have been fine, mate. Like, yeah, they went out and straight sets. They probably should have won

that Brisbane like they were there. They had one three times. Those young kids will just, that's just

a blipper like that's, that's more of a foggy thing. I think the foggy might carry a little bit,

being an older player, knowing you might not get another chance, mate. The carrier weeks

the Ethan's strange. Yeah. These guys, it is probably like, first finals, like not meh, but

let's just go again. Yeah, we'll go again. Let's go again. Let's get, yeah. I know they love sanders

there. I know they, they really like him. He looked, he looked awesome. He looked awesome without

being quite awful. Well, he had, he got Jake there on that one. They just, to not touch the wall

for 15 minutes, most teams are gone. Yeah. You're done. It nearly got to 18-0, 20-0, I think.

But for them to just fight it back and they nearly put that score on a man he did well to,

to claw it back in the end. I know that was a great game of footy. Another moment I can

say, and for me, for Manly, Jamal Foggy puts a kick into the corner.

Carole Week sort of drops it, spills it, and Manly pinned Carole Weeks inside his own in five,

one play, two passes. The best increase at the side. And he's up the sideline. I just,

that was really disappointing for me. Yeah. A lot of people in the game talk about momentum,

and how important momentum is. And I look at it, I agree. But like, how do you 10 momentum? Like,

Cody Walker, 40-20. You know, you can see the try, and then your next defensive set. Like,

there's a great opportunity to pin the opposition to the 40-45, then you get the ball back,

and you can get back into that arm wrestle after conceding. Really important to wrestle momentum,

back that's a way you can do it. A one-on-one strip. Like, sometimes you can get foot,

you can get lucky or fortune can favor you with a, with a not-position mistake or error.

You breed that side relief, then you get through that next set. We see so many teams

have the opposition making mistake, then they make a mistake. That error from Carole Weeks or that

formal gave mainly the huge opportunity to pin the raiders. There was like two players behind the

ball, three players behind the ball. That could have been what we call a red line set where

Camber are kicking from inside their own 40, that they ended up going into the full length.

Those are the, what appears to be a small moment, a small opportunity. For me, those are the

missed opportunities. We talk about missed opportunities in attack. There's a huge missed opportunity

in defense for me. Yeah, it's probably, I've been there at Killies Hill for a few years now.

They haven't been able to go toe-to-toe with any of those big teams through like long,

live ball periods. They know that internally, like they know then they're not that team that can go,

let's go, like a panorath, we'll go one set, we'll kick you down there and jam in. It's the first

set of the game. First set of the game in the wet, and it was good footage, but they shifted the ball.

They do it a lot. Yeah, they do it a lot undersea-bold. It's almost, it's almost just like we're

going to play you a different way today. I think sea-balls come out and set it before. We're a different

team to these panoraths and Melbourne's things. We're going to play a different style of footy.

We're not going to try and do that. That's fine, but you lose that what you just spoke about,

and you don't empower a pack to go down there and enforce on the other team. It's a mentality

rather than a style to mentality. Is it a mentality or is it an instinct thing? Or is it a bit of

both where you just think of the regulation kick, I'm on my kick chase. It comes from the

kick-chase task of getting down there, and then he's fumbled it, accelerate. Boys, boys, let's go,

let's go, let's go. It should just be instinctual. That's the way you're talking like that,

because that's how you played and times you played in, you valued that stuff a lot. You valued

as a pack, when our seven kicks are half a mistake. When our seven kicks are into a good spot,

four, we're going to load up on these 10 panoraths to it all the time. You used guys to do the dogs.

It's not in them yet, I don't think. It's not in their DNA to really jam teams down,

grind them into their own half, catch the ball, get turbo catching it back on his 50,

bringing it back into their half mentality. If they are going to shift to

Seb Chris, he catches that on the ball sort of pressure. You force a mistake, and then you send

the message to camera, you're not going to come round us today. We're not going to let you get

away with that. It's a middle, but it's also that right edge. They were too far back.

It was almost like they were annexed. After that first 15 minutes, you felt like that

pack should have smelled blood in the water. Yes, we're not letting. Like Horsborough,

Puppa Leigh, who went off for the H, tap and eat. They had to tackle for 15 minutes.

And then when they got the ball, they actually just kind of still rolled

back down the field. It's like a hardness edge that just missed that little bit of hardness,

which probably cost them a year. Got to give big reps to no Martin. That got that starting spot,

not only over Martin Nichols, sometimes with Zach Hosking. I think I was thinking about this

camera rate as minor premiership, Ricky Stewart and his staff would have come into the preseason and

think it's just about getting over that hump of last year, making a few minor adjustments.

Obviously, the focus would have been on the two ethans and how they can play together,

how the three dummy halves can fit in. That would have been like, you know,

stalling, shot the lights out last year. You've got Owen Patty waiting in the wings.

You've bought him braille. But then a guy like Noah Martin has just banged down the door in the

preseason and just said, Coach, you have got to pick me. And I love that from players. Like,

I've spoken before about teams in that, what I call the middle eight,

going, we're just going to separate ourselves from the rest of the group. I spoke about the

dragons with those four or five really good young forwards. Someone's going to go and separate

themselves. Noah Martin is the example of somebody that's gone. I'm not willing to be a squad

player anymore. And now I've got some good quality competition in front of me. Like, I think

Hudson Young's lined up that left-edge spot. But then, well, you know what, there's some good

players there, but on the right edge, I mean, I'm coming for it. And he was rewarded with the

starting spot and he repaid the faith that his coach showed. And it's a long season and no doubt

Nicholson and Huskings will get some starting time there. But I love that. I love seeing that from

a player that just gets the ball by the horns in the preseason. And then the faith gets

repeating them. Yeah, it was good. I'm when I see him on the team sheet, the Tuesday. Yeah,

I was like, Oh, what's going on here? I think Matty Nicholson's heard himself again on the weekend.

So he'll probably miss him time. But to try is like, they have done such a good, I can't

they have done such a good job down there. So remember Ricky Fee is going, it's so

hard to get players down here. And then that and Joel Carbone's down there who's now at the

roosters, but obviously helped Ricky with they went and bought all these kids coming through

Hal Mart's SG ball. And now they're starting to come through. And like he said, they are just

they're serious. They could go again this year if those young kids have to have to do their

thing again. But bloke's like Noah Martin. It's a sungy in the centers like Tomoko's there. I

thought he was outstanding. Yeah. It's it was the team that I looked at when when the teams came

out on Tuesday and three names outside the outside the ninth, the 19. And I was like, Oh, yeah.

They they play NRL. Yeah, they throw Kobe black in there to a certain extent as cover cover in

the house. Like they've got death. And maybe it's a lesson for

for certain clubs that maybe want to pull the trigger a bit early on their coach. Yeah,

we spoke about Tottenham Hots best spares three games. Well, Ricky Stewart was afforded time

down there in Canberra, which not a lot of people get afforded that luxury. He was given time.

At different points over the past sort of five years, you know, maybe fans have been frustrated

about the results and that lack of ability to recruit. But he's had a long-term vision,

a long-term strategy with that young think outside the box. They went to England,

first off and bought some top qualities. And they still are doing that. But they went they went

with youth and they're they're getting the results from that now. Yeah, we do live in a

results-based industry. But sometimes if you've got a strategy and a plan that you not just

believe in, but it's evidence-based and you're going to see some results are a little bit late.

If you've got the you can stay true to the course. It can pay dividends. Yeah, well they they

took Ethan Strange out of the roosters before he'd done anything. They took Ethan Sanders out of

paramounta before he'd done anything. They've just gone and got KO weeks. Was it manly? Just playing

reserve grade. Yeah, the talent I said I haven't. Yeah, they lost Jack Whiteen. Yeah, so I'm like

Ricky said he has it. We can't get it's hard for us to get really star plays down here. They've

missed a lot of star guys. But now they've got their own stars that they built themselves,

which is even yeah, a lot better. Yeah, I think look, I was a bit worried for camera just

from the heartbreak of last year a game. They they really did have wrapped up against against the

Broncos. You know, I was talking about that game the other day. I think that

rugby league completed thinking back like that was I don't know if I've ever seen a better game

in terms of controversy. Like that that was like I've completed rugby league. That's final boss

sort of stuff. I don't know if we can ever get any better than that. When you're losing end,

it's it is heartbreaking. Camera appear to be over that hump. I think they're going to be a

genuine title contender. Injuries permitting that's always a big caveat. And that the Broncos

last year's premier is the team that beat the the Canberraiders. Somewhat disappointing being kept

to zero against a very clinical pan with Panthers. Interesting to see that the backline shuffle

before the game. Again, I think there'll be some clubs that may be looking and seeing what the

situation is there. With the Panthers that good or the Broncos that bothers or so. I think

it was both. I think the Panthers are really good. And I think the Broncos were off the mark,

which they were over in England too. They're a little bit of concern. It's it's funny we're

talking about them because they've just won the premier. The Premiership but 26 Neil they'll

be really disappointed. That was bizarre. The Ben Hunt think was bizarre for me. So you think

he should start or you think he should just be on the bench or it should be on the bench.

In my opinion, there's no, yeah, there's not a question. And with a view of coming on it,

nine. Yes. Right. I think Ben Hunt and Adam Reynolds are very similar players now.

They're in their mid to late 30s. They'll probably say it themselves. They've slowed down a little

bit. They're not that attacking, especially Ben. Ben had a great running game. It doesn't have

that anymore. He was he's not a number six. Yeah. He's never been a number six. As a man,

as that X factor, it's five out of the year, a few years ago, I get why they did it last year.

When you look at different circumstances last year, that's what I mean. I get why Billy Walters was

in there at certain stages. The reason I think they did it was to unlock Reese Walsh because Billy

Walters and Ben Hunt played a big partner through that final series about unlocking Walsh and

just playing nice and simple direct. Give it without the back. Let him go, which I understand.

But for your race, I'll start. He's alone. Yeah. Yeah. Let's play two sevens and let him run around

out the back. But as a man is your second best attacking option in X factor, he probably needs to

and he probably will start this week. There might have been another reason, but I'm guessing it was

because of Reese Walsh. But I'm pretty sure as a man started that he did start the World Club

Challenge at six. What is it? It's a bit of a bizarre one. What I always found with the halfbacks

that I played with if a half was ever on the bench, they were always looking over their shoulder.

They were always going into the game, conscious of making a mistake because it's difficult.

They couldn't get over the fact that someone there is waiting to come on for them or what is it?

I'm not playing the 18. If you're a halfback, sometimes it's a long game. Maybe the

term softening up period is a bit outdated. But certainly opportunities, style of play,

opportunities are probably more limited in the open exchanges and style of play in the first

10, 15 minutes of a very different to how it looks in the back ends. If you're a half, I mean

you're having a look at the oppositions. What sort of... You want rhythm too.

Yeah, you want rhythm. If I'm the 5, 8 or the 7 and I'm playing the first 20, 25 minutes there,

well would have been difficult for Ben Hunt knowing he was starting it left half then going it

nine. Yeah, to make 50 tackles. That would have been difficult for me. And he also got run over

Garner Ranch straight over him at one point out on the edge. They need to fix that up in a coaching

sense. Who's your halves? Just go and play them. They play 6 and 7. They play 80 minutes. We've

got this person on the benches. Ben Hunt's a great four-day option for it. And he'll likely

place, come on at nine. Yeah, they've got a sort of few things out there. They obviously haven't

started the year the way they wanted. They're going to get better. They're a great fully team.

They've got points in them. They come up against a red op pan. There's 10. And there was a few

real opportunities they've found, like some worn catch away on a score.

Let's not, I know it was zero, but this time in September or last September,

rather, those passes were sticking. And they had the momentum. They were on the comeback trail.

I take nothing away from Pam Rath, I thought it was a we're back and we're like huge win for them,

going up to some corp, two points, contrast with the year that they had last year. They started

the season with two points in Vegas, but there was some uncharacteristic losses from the Panthers.

I think that's completely put to bed now. I think they're back where they belong. But the broncos,

whether they like it or they don't, they're a huge football club. How's the noise started?

The noise started before a ball was kicked. And that comes with the best front row that I think

maybe has ever graced the planet and decided to move. And that is going to bring about the story

lines. Carrigan's comments were interesting too. About PNG. Yeah, I thought that was, yeah, it

he's been there if he's whole life. He said it. He said, I've never dreamt of wearing any other

jersey. But this PNG thing's quite interesting. Yeah, good like it's no fault against him.

No, obviously just saying how he feels, which is fine, but maybe is that concerning for you?

Bearman, he's not available in the inaugural year. He would be assigning for 2029.

Wow, really? Yeah, so he's not half-contracted. But he's there for three years now.

Unless I don't know. But maybe he's looking at the situation and going, well,

I'll have pains money then. And maybe he's looking at his opportunity to upgrade and extend.

I mean, if PNG were to get Patrick Carrigan, like, wow, that's a huge coup. I reckon it'd be weird

seeing Patrick Carrigan in any other jersey than a Broncos. But let's say the same thing about

paying us as well. Said the same thing about Adam Reynolds. There's plenty of players that move

clubs. Has the noise got out of control? So with the day, like the rooster's thing, right?

It's not out of control. It's one game. Yeah, you fix it up. You get on that. They got on top of

that noise over the offseason. No one really has spoken about, to an extent, anything negative

on them. Has the noise got out of control with Brisbane in terms of it literally has been spoken

about for the last two months. It keeps getting spoken about. There's no way to, there's only one way

to get it under control. And that's winning. But winning showed the noise still happened when they

won a premiership. So how does it? How do you actually? How do you put the noise out? For me,

it's, even if they're winning, there's still noise. I've never seen it in my life. I've never seen

it with a rugby league team. I think that's what comes with either really successful Broncos,

or really poor Broncos. Remember the gender reveal, the sex reveal. Was it someone that?

Darius Boyle, when they finished with the wooden spoon. They were under the pump for that.

This is just a club that people love to talk about positively and negatively. It just comes

with the territory. And if you're not willing to accept that as a player and as a coach, then maybe you

need to recalibrate. Well, I think they are accepting it. Because there's been no

like strong pushback from inside, right? Magic is basically ignored, which he does. I know what he's

like. He just ignores it. Whatever it's outside noise. There's been no strong pushback from the

players, but it must, it does eat in. Subconsciously, the people listening and reading.

This show, your new show, 360, 100% for 40, all the other podcasts, the Hello Sport Boys,

Blokin' the Bar, we're really good. All the people that talk about the game, the triple-arms,

like all the people that haven't opinion, we're not talking to the players. We have a conversation,

and we're talking to our fans, we're trying to bring them insight and give our opinion on the

game and entertain, really. That's what we're about, but sometimes as a player, you can take

this personally, but if you're a Bronco's player, there's a difference between being a Bronco's

player and a Cowboys player and a Raiders player, and there's a difference between playing at the

and I've witnessed about playing at a Bulldogs, like when things are going well and when things

are going bad, and this probably isn't at the same level as Bronco's. I remember just being

like, what on doing the board, and I'm like, the board aren't playing, or the CEO, I'm like,

all this, it does start to leak in, and as much as you say,

I block out the noise, it's impossible to ignore because it's just there, it's in your face,

people are talking to you about it, but that's probably the key for McGuire is having his players

ignore the noise, and that's difficult to do because each and every game now is going to be built up,

and also not, it's going to be built up as potential disaster, but it's also, it's also going to,

there's a lot riding on each result, more than the two points, your whole narrative of the

week is going to be riding on the game, they play Paramatter on Thursday night, who beat them at

some core plus year, and people will be quick to talk about that, and Paramatter dreadful against

storm, absolutely awful, like, just look, but people will be talking them up against the Bronx,

and if they win, like, on the mind of the Broncos, players, potentially, and the staff is,

well, if we lose, you know what's going to be spoken about, they can't win. If they win,

they'll be like, yeah, it should have been paramilitary, if they lose, it's almost like you're

waiting for a disaster. Well, they won the premiership, and it's still a month later, people

are still talking about. And you know what, that is, it is a privilege, like to play it such

a big club like, you know, when I look at football or soccer, like, there's a difference between

playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona, to, you know, Everton, there's a difference between playing for

Manchester United, Arsenal, you know, in Manchester. It comes with the territory. When you're

a space, like, there's a huge difference with the club that you play, and for all the advantages

that come with that, like, you think about the Brisbane Broncos players, that won that premiership,

they can die now on that for the rest of their lives. They're going to be reimbursed by that

tenfold, they're going to be brought to functions and be celebrated, they'll be gifting kind,

and all that sort of jazz of, you know, the ten-year, they're going to die now on it for a

day, for a long time, and maybe that's different for a Cornel sharks that won it, or a cowboys that

won it. Recently, those two teams spring to mind. Broncos is different, different, and the fall

out from the scrutiny on the cowboys and the sharks after they won it, just, it's happy days.

All good one one. We got it. Broncos is completely different kettle of fish, and that is

something that, I think, it's important how you approach that your mental

framing of the situation has to be one of will. It should be just your jealous because you're

not a Broncos player. Yeah, they'll go, different players will handle it differently, different players

will, some it'll be, just get me out of here, this is too much, and even though we've won a premiership,

some of them probably have all they have waited their whole life to win one.

They're finally one one. You can just, the valve goes off. There are others that turn it up

again and go, I want that feeling again. So, it'd be interesting, like, people like Karrigan

now have a decision to make, do I finish my career at Brisbane? Or do I get like pain? Pain.

Whatever the reason why he's not going to tell us, but he might have just gone, I've done what I've

said I was going to do here and come to do, and now it's time for me to go and find a new chance.

Karrigan might be going through the exact same thing to come out and say that, so it's saying

something. You don't say that unless you're sending a message to someone or you're genuinely,

he's obviously genuinely, there's a genuine interest there, and then obviously the Barnett

News comes out yesterday, which adds a little bit of more to another dimension to the conversation.

The Barnett News is a big team match. He's got that in origin, and I watched him

match-loved him in origin, and he, like, Barney was awesome for that group, but I know exactly

why he'd wanted to do it. That's a big win for... I want to call it team match. That's a huge win

for him. He's got the ability to attract him, but don't imagine versus who.

Yeah, in surname here. It's a statement. If he can bring him in, it's a huge statement,

but it's just not going to go away. The pain has situation. It's still fascinating. That

will not go away every time they lose, any time there's a hit call. He's a question for it.

In a club like Brisbane, looking near Crystal Ball, he's matched the coach there in seven years.

No. Five years? No. Why? Well, it's very rare that coaches get that long, and I honestly don't

think he'd want this to be there that long. Yeah, not with this level. It's interesting.

I mean, I don't know much personally, but I imagine that... If you're him, like, what else can I

do? I've delivered us a premiership. It's been nearly 20 years, and I'm still getting this.

Like, from a human being, from a person side of thing, that has got to eat you up.

That people are still questioning you. My methods prove, and then, yeah, I don't know why

coaches do it anyway. It's a bizarre profession to go, and it takes a special type of person,

but it wouldn't be surprised if the ultimate goal all of them is to be

what Craig Bellamy's done and what Ivan's doing, and Robo to a certain extent of how long they

all want to be life coaches at a club, build a whole organisation, not around them, but they've

know that they've had a huge impact on building a culture, like a legacy. Like, what Craig's

done down there is it's unbelievable. Like, put it in a Premier League terms, like Sarah

Ferguson probed the only one over there that's been able to do that. It doesn't happen.

Often, I know Madge has that ambition, and he had that at South too, but he's also proven he can

adapt and walk into different cultures and organisations and have quick success.

Only thing about a couple of people you mentioned there, Bellamy in particular, that has stood the

test of time. I think the geographical location of that football club leans into his favour.

I think what you brought up about it. Not anybody, I'm not saying anybody could do that,

but I think that very much helps him. Yeah, I think what you said about Brisbane,

the club is understated, and it does come with the treasure, and the roosters is a little bit similar,

and Sous, which was at, and the dogs, like you said, you know when you go there that you are under

the most scrutiny and pressure. Yeah, you can go to a different team in a different location,

and you know it's going to be okay, they're not going to write too much and speak about us,

but when you're at those clubs, it's a different ball game, and if it's understated.

Yeah, it's something you have to deal with. Caz, you've got a plan to catch my friend,

because this new show that you know, it's being produced in Melbourne, it's been well written

about them. We do not want to make you late. The bar round don't need any negative headlines,

so goodbye, good luck, thanks for listening, everybody, we'll catch you later in the week.

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