Joe DeLeone: Browns can leverage the No. 6 pick if Jeremiyah Love is still available; I’d rather wait until No. 24 to draft a WR

I'm back in here on the fan of his afternoon drive, John of the Pito and Nick Padone.

We go out to the maker right, Carl Kyle, right hotline, Joe Dan Leon, A-Z sports joining

us here on the fan.

Joe, how you doing today?

I'm doing great.

It's been interesting trying to keep up with all the craziness happening from these

owners meetings, but having a pretty good week.

Well, all right.

Yeah.

Let's actually, let's ask you about that first before we dive into some of the draft

conversation because we've been trying to keep track of it as well.

And all it's turned into is Andrew Berry voicing a lot of, I don't know, support is what

we'll call it for Deshaun Watson and then Jimmy has them doing more support for Deshaun

Watson.

I know it's not a surprise, but it does feel like Deshaun Watson is going to have a real

crack at it.

What's your read on that?

Well, like I talked about last week, I feel one is telling that they're indicating multiple

times.

Multiple people within the organization have kind of leaned towards Watson for everything

that they put on the table to bring them to this organization and obviously even shed

cancer slop.

If you look at the point where you got to try and extract something out of it, you got

to at least try and see if you can get some sort of a result.

And as we discussed last week, the upcoming draft class in 2027 is supposed to have a

lot better options.

If you're not going to get Mendoza and you're not in love with Tyson Sin, see if Watson

can at least perform on up that maybe you could build around him in the future.

But the more likely outcome is he stinks it up and you turn the page and you capitalize

on your team, maybe struggling, not by taking, but your team's struggling and having a high

draft selection.

How different is this from what the Cardinals are doing with Jacobi Berset and what the

Jets are doing with Geno Smith is practically the same thing, minus love the baggage that

the Sean loss of brains.

Joe, is there a world where Andrew Barry, maybe even Jimmy Haslam are doing what they did

last year, this time last year, they were talking so much Travis Hunter, are they trying

to distract us from maybe the fact that they really could like Tyson Sin?

I'm sure that, well, first of all, now is definitely the time to do that.

Now is when, we're really not that far from the draft, it's really creeping up on us after

we termed the draft is earlier than it typically, it's on the 23rd, which feels really weird.

It's usually, I'm always expecting a speedy end of the month, so we're not many weeks away.

And now in the owner's meetings, is the time to start putting out those little rumors,

those thoughts, let people latch on to the quotes and the thoughts, I think it's a really

good point.

I was kind of, I was getting to the point of the beginning of April, it's a little bit

of a tiring task, trying to decipher what some of these coaches and some of these gyms

are saying, but it feels like a lot of the commentary coming from many of these decision-makers

is trying to lay the groundwork for a diversion on what they could end up doing on draft day.

I just wouldn't rule anything out with the Browns, because the Browns of the current

moment is good as their defense is and how they have set up their defense to possibly

debetter with some of the young teases taking a leap in 2026, they have a lot of work to

go on offense.

So as much as we don't know what they're going to do at quarterback, it's still on the table

and we probably won't know until the pick is in for them at number six and at the end

of the first round.

All right, so let's play through this exercise then, Joe, like if we, if the Browns really

wanted Ty Simpson, how would you go about doing it when you have picked six and 24 in the

first round?

What would be your strategy to make sure not only you got them, but then everything

came out glowingly for yourself?

I think that the first most important bit if you're going to draft Ty Simpson, you have

to use that sixth overall pick on an offensive lineman.

I'm not drafting Ty Simpson and missing out on the opportunity to improve the offensive

line.

But first and foremost, you cannot drop Ty that has been deemed developmental in a little

bit of a project that needs some time to grow because he's got limited experience.

He can't drop him onto a team like this without having the proper protection.

Now he would likely have a bit of a runway with other guys that could step in whether it's

Shredor or it is Watson, but they have to focus on building up the offensive line.

I think that should be part of the consideration if they want to use that 24th overall pick

on Ty Simpson.

And then I feel like reading the temperature of the rest of the first round to see if anybody

is going to maybe bite with a jet, maybe bite with their second first run pick.

Would the Steelers maybe bite?

Would the Rams potentially maybe try and take swing on Ty Simpson?

I feel as though if he made it past 15 somewhere in that range, maybe that would motivate

them to consider moving out.

The one big benefit of having two first round picks in a year where it's a pretty weak

draft class and it might be a little cheaper to move up.

It wouldn't hurt them if they really do like Ty Simpson to maybe move up and to make sure

that they get it.

And I think that the comparison for hats for what happens is what the giants did last year

with Jackson Dart where they didn't have a first round pick like the Browns do a second

round pick like the Browns do this year, but they waited and they felt out the market

and wanted to see how long that they can wait without giving up ridiculous capital to

make sure that they got their guy, but they still traded up in order to make sure that

they can land.

I feel like the market's a little stronger on Ty Simpson than it was on Jackson Dart.

So it might require some sort of a slot up in order to make sure that they box somebody

else out from taking them.

So you mentioned left tackle there.

I think a lot of Browns fans would agree with you that that's the position they want

to see the team address at six overall.

How do you have these left tackles stacked up against one another though because we had

Ryan Wilson on our morning show really likes Kate and Proctor and said that he could be

the pick for the Browns at six.

We went through like two weeks of Monroe Freeling as the pick at six, but it feels like there's

not that sure fire left tackle.

There's not that Joe Alt in this class.

How do you have the actual left tackles stacked up against one another?

Yeah, there's a left tackle market this year is really weird.

As you mentioned there, there's no Joe Alt.

There's not a long list of options to even consider.

It really is Monroe Freeling and then you look at the back end of the first round at

the Blake Miller's the Caleb Lomuz of this class.

My go with Kate and Proctor, I don't think that he's a left tackle.

I don't like the way that he moves with space around him.

I think that he's just such a booking presence and he's such a gigantic player that he's

far better off being in more of a phone booth and moving inside the guard.

He and this is not a great comp is as close to Evan Neal as you could get and hopefully

he's a lot more motivated and a lot more focused than Evan Neal was.

The big problem with having observed Evan Neal over the beginning of his career was that

he was dropped in the right tackle and it was clear from the jumps that he could not

move well with a lot of space around him.

He couldn't redirect.

He couldn't recover and it got to the point where it just felt like the giants were

in the position that they were hoping that they invested so much as he could get something

out of him.

I think that if you're drafting Kate and Proctor, you shouldn't over invest one by drafting

him really early and two, you shouldn't have any expectation that he's going to work

at tackle.

I just have a lot of fear that there is going to be some hope and expectation he turns

into this otherworldly offensive line prospect.

But my biggest issue with him is that we've been waiting for that jump to happen since he

was a freshman and he started playing really early on in Alabama.

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Let me ask you about Jeremiah Love because I feel like we've done this a couple of times

where it's like, all right, is he really as big of a prospect as Seikwan as Ashton

Genti?

But the reality is, if the Browns aren't going to be serious about 2026 and they're

playing for 2027 and then beyond, it does open up their draft board in an interesting

way.

If he makes it to six, should the Browns go ahead and make that as the selection?

I won't take the consideration of the already invested in clean shot jumpkins and also

I know Don't Samson is not exactly keeping you from drafting Jeremiah Love, did he better

off not getting a swing on running back, but I think that where the Jeremiah Love conversation

happens with the Browns is how they can leverage Jeremiah Love into getting somebody else to

trade up for him.

He is undoubtedly the best offensive prospect in this class and I look at a number of teams

at the beginning of the teens area, maybe it's a team like the Cowboys that would consider

making a move up.

Maybe it's a team like the Vikings that would consider moving up and going and getting

him.

I feel like the Browns could end up pulling some pretty heavy capital for franchise that

thinks that they're one big home run elite piece away from taking themselves over the

top and becoming an elite prolific unstoppable offense.

That is the possibility of the Browns taking him.

I think that the main focus needs to be who can we do in the giving us a ton of draft

capital that prepares us for 2027.

Joe, you mentioned just all of the issues that ale this Cleveland Browns offense and wider

receiver is the other one that we have not mentioned yet.

Do you think Carnell Tate could be in play for the Browns at six?

Is that something that you would wait on until 2024, especially as we start working on

getting a little bit closer to the NFL draft here?

Yeah, I'm not.

Look, I really like Carnell Tate.

I just don't love the idea of taking in that early.

I think that he's a really good player.

If he's going to be a prototypical Z, he's a great, a strong strider, a great deep

route runner.

He's got a lot of nuance the way that he runs his route.

And I think he's going to be super dangerous as a second receiver in an offense.

We already have Jerry Judy.

The roles would be defined and you kind of have an understanding of the two working well

together.

But I would much rather wait until that 24th pick to take a swing at receiver, especially

to the fact that this year's receiver class, it's quite deep.

There are going to be options on the table for them to consider at that 24th spot that

are going to try to be really good starters.

I think that the most important thing in draft classes and where teams extract the most

value is understanding and feeling out where runs are going to start to happen at certain

position groups.

And when you have certain positions like in this class at receiver that has options

later on at the end of the first and also on day two, waiting and trying to address

positions that are much thinner would be much better for your roster building philosophy.

So this year, we just talked about let's tackle.

Tackle overall is a really weak clap.

When I was watching tackles this year, I certainly get to the 15th guy that I was watching

and I was almost dumbfounded how weak the very end of this class is.

I got to a point where in the past, I've created tackles and I've had players that were mid

day three picks, maybe hires in that, there were 15, 16 skies that I've watched.

I came around and I had a bunch of dudes that I gave seven and three on grades on, late

day three grades on.

So I think that trying to find off at the blind in this year early is far more important

than looking at receiver early and taking carnal tape.

And you can probably find someone who's not as dynamic that would be much greater value

for where you're picking them.

I want to ask Joe about this class in general that if we have picked six in most years,

what is the actual, what are we getting in this is pick six really like what pick 12 would

be in most years or pick 13 or do you think pick six is still pick six and we should have

the expectations of that.

I think that picks six still maintains lows to the same value.

If I had to in point, it probably may be like pick eight.

I don't think it's much of a drop off, but I think that and I'm purely just kind of throwing

out another there when I say that.

The one thing with this class though is that there's still premiere talent at the top.

The issue when we look at the classes a whole and where it starts to like really shift

is that after we get past the premiere defensive players that have been discussed,

Argo, Ray, David, Bailey, Sonny, Stiles, Gille of Downs, after those guys are gone and

Jeremiah Love is off the board, it starts to taper off.

I think that maybe you could throw at least for me, Francis Maui Noah into the discussion

of the types of guys that you should be excited to draft and add to your team because of

the steadiness and the reliability, but for the most part, there is going to be inflation

on a lot of these guys in draft value.

So we're seeing it with Cardinal Tate a bit where he'd probably be more of a guy that

goes in the teams and he's being discussed as the top 10 pick.

Guys like Monroe Freeling or Cesar Fano and Big Ione, those guys would probably be players

that would go more in the team.

They're being discussed as top 10 picks.

The same thing goes with some of the corners, some of the other safety prospects.

I mean, heck, we just had a long discussion about Tyson Simpson who's about his draft stock

as a little bit inflated as well.

I think that it has less to do with where the Browns did it six and more to do with those

picks and the teams in the back end of the first round.

That's when things start to look a lot more inflated than in a typical draft class.

Joe, understanding that the Browns quarterback might not be evident to them and to the world

until 2027, is there a way for the Browns to be able to trade out of that sixth overall

spot?

And if so, what teams should we be watching for and is it off the table that the Browns

would be able to get an extra first round pick in 2027 if they do decide to trade back?

I don't know about getting another first round pick.

I mean, last year we witnessed if we have something like the Balkans being really aggressive

and trading back in to have a second first round pick because they really want to improve

their past rush.

I think that that's viable, but I think that the scenario that I outlined with Jeremiah

Love is absolutely on the table, but the other one that is really worth considering is

looking at the group of teams and the teams that need to improve their past rushes.

So I look at the Dallas Cowboys, I look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I look at maybe

the Detroit Lions, those teams would be excited to grab whoever is into sliding.

So if theoretically Rubin Bain or David Bailey or Arvel Reese end up sliding a little bit,

maybe it's sunny styles for one of these teams that needs to improve their linebacker or

maybe it's Caleb Downs who slides a little bit just because of maybe teams being panicked

about missing out on some of the offensive linemen that we discussed.

I think that the market that gets created comes from those franchises that don't want

to take a beat to your past rusher.

There is a very finite number of premier elite past rushers in this class as we've talked

about.

If those guys, one of those guys is still there, I think at pick six, that's when that

discussion starts happening because if you're one of those teams in the teams like I discussed,

if you wait the Brown or sorry, the Bengals and the Chiefs and the Saints all could end

up taking past rushes off the board that you were eyeing.

So I think that is probably the most likely scenario is that somebody's trying to find

their franchise altering past rusher because they missed out and for agency, maybe on trying

to take a swing at one of these names that were out there in the open market.

Joe, daily on we check you out, A-Z Sports always a pleasure to talk with you and we'll

catch up next week.

Thank you so much.

Of course, guys.

Thanks for having me.

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What's your reaction if it ends up being Caden Proctor at six and do the Browns have

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