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Today, you'll hear our discussions about former National Counterterrorism Center Director

Joe Kent, saying the FBI stopped him from investigating the Charlie Kirk assassination,

and Kent is now willing to testify in defense of Kirk's accused murderer.

A Chicago politician blaming a college student for being murdered by an illegal alien,

and Jimmy Kimmel facing another backlash after mocking the blue collar roots of New Homeland

Security Secretary Mark Wayne Mullin.

And our chaser of the week.

A House Democrat in Virginia admitting the Virginia gerrymandering is unfair, but saying

it's okay if it helps to stop Donald Trump.

But we begin with Joe Kent, aligning himself with the conspiracy crowd concerning Charlie

Kirk's murder.

All right, Jim, onto a very troubling bad Martini now, and ever since Joe Kent exited

as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, the more we learned about this guy,

the more frustrating it is that he was ever in that job in the first place, and that was

amplified by the fact that the first thing he did was go on Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens

and that's all.

Candace Owens was number two.

Let's keep that in mind.

Yeah, that's, yeah.

But he's also giving interviews now and suggesting that the government squelched investigation

of the Charlie Kirk assassination.

He gave an interview to Michael Schellenberger.

He, of course, of the Twitter file's fame.

He now has a site called Public, and here's what he writes, Joe Kent says the FBI did not

properly investigate the assassination last fall of Charlie Kirk, quote, the FBI was

pretty forceful in saying we couldn't investigate further.

I saw no action being taken.

Kent said that he knew he might be called as a witness before he made his statements

that a, quote, foreign nexus unquote may have been involved in Kirk's assassination.

I was definitely warned of that over and over again said, can't if I end up having to play

that role, then I'll do it.

It's not something that I'm seeking.

When press that is testimony could help the Tyler Robinson defense, Kent said then honestly,

so be it.

It's us to the truth.

That's obviously the risk that I'm taking.

And in comments to Tucker last week, he also floated the whole Israel theory that because

apparently Charlie was frustrated with a Jewish donor near the time that he was killed.

That's obviously what led to the killing.

He says when one of President Trump's closest advisors, meaning Kirk, who is vocally advocating

for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink at least our relationship with

the Israelis.

It's suddenly publicly assassinated and we're not allowed to ask any questions about it.

It's a data point.

It's a data point that we need to look into.

All we're doing is asking questions, Jim.

Well over at TPUSA, they are not happy about this understandably.

I want to try these former colleagues Blake Neff explaining that the pile of evidence against

Tyler Robinson makes what Joe Kent and Candace and many other people are saying absolutely

absurd.

There is a murder weapon that was found near the site of the shooting.

It was owned by Tyler Robinson's family given to him by his grandpa of the caliber used

to shoot Charlie.

It has his DNA all over it all over the casings he they release a photo of the shooter.

They are not able to find him otherwise.

Tyler Robinson's parents see that photo and think that looks like Tyler.

They begin asking him things like where is your I believe it was his grandfather's gun.

They start asking him this Tyler Robinson starts talking like he might kill himself.

They get a friend of the family to sit down with him.

He actually he admits that it's him.

They get him to drive up to Oram and turn himself in.

His parents helped him turn him in and we run into people who say that that didn't happen

or that's fabricated.

There's digital confessions.

There's digital confessions but also his parents are out there.

They have never stepped forward and said this is a lie.

They could easily do that.

It would be trivial to do that if it was the case.

They have not done that.

His parents turned him in.

That is the most obvious piece of evidence in the world that nothing can argue around.

Some people are so obsessed with the same conspiracies that they concoct for every other

thing that ever happens.

They have to shove it into this one too because they care more about their conspiracy theories

than about the person who murdered my friend facing justice.

Jim, I think I know who I believe in this scenario but what do you make of this latest

relentless onslaught about the Charlie Kirkkill?

It's revealing that the Candace Owens and Joe Kensa, the world, are insisting Tyler

Robinson is innocent when his own family has never made that argument.

Now imagine if your loved one was in a circumstance like that.

How much you would want to not believe that your loved one had done that?

How dreadful it would be to know that the options were death penalty or life in prison.

Even they have recognized that the truth is the truth and that Tyler Robinson was a wonderful

to trigger.

I will reveal some people know I write thrillers.

People know that I try to keep abreast of what's going on in the intelligence community.

So I'm not revealing anything that I shouldn't tell here when I point out that the CIA headquarters

has a Starbucks and it has a gift shop.

The gift shop, by the way, was in the story of Washington Post years and years ago.

So think about it.

There are people who are baristas at Starbucks and or work at a gift shop who must have

pretty decent security clearance because they go into CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia

every day, or every weekday, I assume.

So I don't know if I would trust Joe Kent to run either of those facilities.

I think that would be a bit much for him.

He'd probably begin, you know, do you see the pattern in the Starbucks cup?

The mermaid is trying to tell us that, you know, Joe Kent, I don't know if I would trust

him to operate heavy machinery, much less run the National Counterterrorism Center.

And I can only imagine how did these discussions go with his colleagues when he would start

talking about these vast conspiracies and how Charlie Kirk was not, you know, killed

by the assassin, but by, you see, buy it into the idea was the French as well as the

Hulk and the so-ands thing, or is it only the Israelis or, you know, where the McCrones

tied in, the Bilderbergers, the Stonecutters, you know, and just how did everybody else

at the National Counterterrorism Center react when the boss started babbling about these

crazy things?

Now, the president likes to say, I only hire the best people, clearly he does not, because

you see the number of times he and people he's worked with end up parting on the absolute

worst terms.

If you don't believe, if you believe me, I only hire the best people, ask John Bolton and

how John Bolton feels about him and how he feels about John Bolton, but also the people

the president hires do not hire the best people either.

Joe Kent should not have been within 500 yards of the National Counterterrorism Center, never

mind running the place.

And it's a small miracle that his management of this place, I assume the more he sounded

like Alex Jones, the less anybody else wanted to work with him.

We've already seen the joke that Tulsi Gabbard, her title is Director of National Intelligence,

but people said, DNI means do not invite to meetings at the White House because she's,

you know, seen as a fruitcake.

By the way, I think Tulsi Gabbard, for all my disagreements with her, clearly she's

lost a lot of arguments within this administration and she still shows up to work and she still

does her job.

And I think that's actually something commendable.

So good for you, DNI Gabbard, and I hope you do get invited to some meetings.

If you do, probably hold back on any conspiracy theories, you may believe.

But nonetheless, that's something to be said about that.

Kent was on Tulsi Gabbard's chief of staff there.

I don't think it reflects well on her for him to be running around saying these kind

of nonsensical things.

So this is life and death stuff.

This is stuff that we really can't afford to have people who are cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs

doing this.

And you know, Kent clearly believes all this stuff.

He's a true believer.

He doesn't realize he's embarrassing himself every time he does this.

He doesn't realize how much he's embarrassing the people who hired him.

He doesn't realize how much he's embarrassing everybody who stood by him.

He certainly doesn't matter if he harms the administration.

I think you are really not that honorable if your goal is to burn the place down on your

way out the door.

I think that it's just a reflection of how he sees the world and that in the end, he

wants to cause as much damage as possible.

Someone just want to see the world burn.

You know, the aftermath of that horrific assassination was seemed like it for a while was one

of the most unifying things to happen, not only on the right, but even beyond the right

in some circles, the far left, obviously, reacting very different.

But then you've just got some people kind of like Blake says there.

They just had to make it about themselves.

They had to inject their own theories about their own pet causes into this idea.

And it's just, it's not only insane, it's absolutely dividing the right at a time when

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This week we learned about another horrific murder committed by a man who has no business being in the country.

But not only are Democrats refusing to stop coddling illegal aliens, at least one Chicago politician is effectively blaming the victim for her own murder.

Jim, you know, just when the Democrats think they have Republicans on the defensive over ice operations in Minnesota,

there's always a story that the Democrats and for the most part, the media don't want to touch, although the media have done a better job on this story.

There's another story very similar to Lake and Riley that's playing out in Chicago, Illinois, which of course is a sanctuary city sanctuary state.

It centers around the story of Sheridan Gorman.

She was an 18 year old from New York who was attending Loyola University, according to reports.

She and some friends went out to the pier along Lake Michigan there where the campus is near.

And wanted to check out the northern lights and some guy just shot her.

Well, that some guy was an illegal immigrant who appears to have just randomly targeted her.

And he shouldn't be in the country and he certainly shouldn't have been in Illinois.

And don't forget who's trying to stop ice from removing these people from these communities.

But in addition to the fact that this person never should have been there, there is an alderman from the city of Chicago.

Her name is Maria Haddon and she decided it was really important to hop on social media and explain how, you know, she didn't mean to do it, but it's really the victims fault.

The kids were out doing normal, normal things people do in the neighborhood.

And it sounds like this might have been a wrong place, wrong time running into a person who had a gun.

They might have startled this person at the end of the pier unintentionally.

I might have startled the person at the end of the pier so naturally they would just have to murder them.

So Jim, JB Pritzker, the governor, acknowledging the murder.

Usually the Democrats just go radio silence on this thing, says her murder is a tragedy.

The person responsible must be held accountable, deepest condolences to the family.

No mention, of course, of the illegal status in the country, given his political stand and putting himself out front on this issue.

So what do you make of this latest unnecessary, some say tragedy, others say infuriating murder?

So advocates of amnesty or those who believe that illegal immigrants should not be deported,

you know, one of their core arguments is that illegal immigrants are human beings just like you and me.

They're no different. They can't be seen any different. They shouldn't be judged any differently.

But when one shoots a young woman, suddenly they're a bear, suddenly they're a jaguar.

They're a wild animal that you should not startle them.

Because, yeah, look, you can't control themselves.

Of course, they're just going to shoot you.

You know, that's what's fascinating is the ironically dehumanizing rhetoric we're seeing here.

This idea that this illegal immigrant, well, if you startle an illegal immigrant,

they're going to shoot you. What are you crazy?

You know, you should be very tiptoe around the city of Chicago.

Now, some of this probably reflects the fact that downtown Chicago, as we all know,

is Maga Country, as Jesse Smollett had warned us that this is, you know, you're going to find

a lot of Maga hat-wearing clansmen who are running around and the city is on the streets of Chicago.

So, I'm going to come up. It's going to seem like an absolute non-sequitur here,

but trust me, just follow me here.

It was, you know, this was last month.

Darren Lee was arrested and charged with first degree murder in the death of his girlfriend,

the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office announced.

Now, some people might be saying, my guess is the name Darren Lee is not writing any bells.

Greg, back in 2016, Darren Lee was the first ground draft choice of the New York Jets,

as a linebacker out of Ohio State.

And he was a phenomenal disappointment, right?

We all have groups or organizations or things we like and things we like to support.

And we always feel better when good things happen.

Now, for me and the Jets, it's a theoretical thing.

Good things never seem to happen.

But when bad things happen, there's this gut instinct to downplay it,

or to find mitigating reasons, or make excuses, or something like that.

You know, the Catholic Church and its scandals, priests abused kids.

There's no two ways about it.

And there were a lot of people who really didn't want to acknowledge that

and tried to find ways that we can't talk about this too much.

We talked about this last week in the case of Chavez, right?

Clearly, to a whole bunch of Democrats in elected office, both in the city of Chicago and Illinois,

illegal immigrants are in the good category.

They are good people and their reputation must be protected at all costs.

Therefore, here's the thing.

What I said in the beginning, illegal immigrants are human beings,

which means they're every bit as good and every bit as bad as the rest of us.

Coming across the border illegal, some would say if you come across the border illegal,

that kind of makes you a bad person on some level.

Maybe you're very nice, maybe you're very polite,

maybe you're going to be a valedictorian in high school,

but you did still violate the laws of the United States.

But your choice to shoot a young woman doesn't become any more excusable or defendable

or okay because you're an illegal immigrant.

And it's kind of terrifying to see one, the city aldermen's woman saying,

you know, well, it's clearly they startled them.

So it's kind of her fault.

She kind of had this coming.

Maybe she was wearing a short skirt.

Maybe there was some other thing that she did to provoke him into shooting them.

And in the case of Pritzker, who clearly wants to be the Democrat's nominee in 2028,

look, he's not going to say, he's not going to make excuses.

He's going to avert his eyes for as long as possible.

And when there's enough media pressure, he'll issue this appropriate but-trust statement.

Now, let's assume that a native born Chicagoan had killed an illegal immigrant young woman.

This would be covered very differently.

And Pritzker would not have to be prodded like a roast pig.

I'll let you just kind of, you know, pro, pro, you know,

folk like that to make a statement like that.

This would be wall-to-wall coverage.

And I think we all see it.

We all know it and it is infuriating.

And if you're wondering why people, if you really-

If Democrats generally believe Americans are xenophobic,

maybe it's because of cases like this that they feel like Democrats will bend over

backwards to excuse crimes committed by illegal immigrants.

Yeah, I mean, there's a long list of violent criminal illegals.

But if you wanted people to think that you're taking a more balanced approach to this,

you would actually be really tough on these cases and explain that this is exactly what we don't want.

And then this one's not like the other one or something like that.

But instead, they tend to generally run cover.

Pritzker, in this case, slightly less than the alderman.

But, you know, when the instinct is to figure out what the victim could have done wrong,

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We've lost the plot.

And we've got over in Minnesota, Congresswoman Angie Craig,

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Because that's where the democratic basis right now,

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Well, we also learned this week that the Senate can move quickly when it wants to.

Less than three weeks after President Trump fired Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome

and named Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullin as his nominee to replace her,

the Senate confirmed Mullin to the post.

Mullin has an impressive background, but apparently it's too blue collar for ABC late-night host Jimmy Kimmel.

Clearly, Johnny might not be much longer, but don't worry, Trump's got a whole new generation of

thinkers lined up, including his newly confirmed Secretary of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Chuck

Mike Bruce Dave Mullin. Maybe Mullin's better. He is the now former Senator of Oklahoma.

Before he was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullin was a low-level MMA fighter and a plumber.

That's right. We have a plumber protecting us from terrorism now.

It worked for Super Mario. Why not, Mark Wayne? But honestly, I mean,

it's something that's going to keep the unqualified people to run the department.

Why not have more fun with it? I mean, next time instead of Mark Wayne, how about

little Wayne for Homeland Security?

It means we can get a concert out of it, right?

Jim, it's just so mystifying how the left lost the working class over the last few elections

here. By the way, calling him a plumber is definitely selling him short. He took over his

family plumbing business in 1997 when it had six employees by July 2011. It had become Oklahoma's

largest plumbing company and eventually opened eight different businesses in a variety of

different services. Plus, he was in Congress since 2013. He worked up some experience in a lot of

different areas 13 years later to take this job. Jimmy Kimmel, I'm sure the left elites are enjoying

that joke, but I don't think middle America is liking it at all. Greg, Jimmy Kimmel is a garbage

human being. We saw this in his way he reacted during the Ted Cruz charity basketball game.

In which let's let the record show Ted Cruz beat him better athlete. A lot of people thought he

looked like Duke, but with some other kid, the kid from Duke from a few years ago. But,

it was all raising money for charity. Usually when you participate in this, you try to smile and

obviously, people were tuning in because Kimmel and Cruz said, Kimmel had been making fun of

Cruz for a long time. There was a strange bitterness the entire time. It was very clear that

Kimmel was begrudging. I don't know if he expected he was going to beat Ted Cruz or what it was.

Let it also point out that when Brendan Carr, the chair of the FCC, started threatening Kimmel

who came to his defense, Ted Cruz, because Ted Cruz is a principled human being who cares about

what's right and wrong and isn't always willing to follow his party or whoever's the administration

if he thinks that they're wrong. We saw this in the way Jimmy Kimmel handled the Charlie Kirk

assassination and his claim that the Trump, I went back and I checked the exact wording of it.

And he says, look, we hit some new lows over the weekend when the Maga gang desperately trying to

characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing

everything they can to score political points from it. Now, as we all know, this was not one of the

Maga types who killed him was somebody who was very active in trans political agenda and things

like that. And you had to pull teeth to get Kimmel to admit that he had done anything wrong in

that one. And we have this third one. Now, I was going to ask how many plumbers watch Jimmy Kimmel's

program. But the short answer is probably not that many, just because not many people watch Jimmy

Kimmel's program. But the other thing is is that I was recognizing, yeah, Jimmy Kimmel much like

many other late night shows, Stephen Colbert, et cetera, has basically become group therapy for

progressive left. So it's not a, maybe there aren't that many plumbers that are watching and that

would be offended by the insinuation that plumbers certainly could never have anything useful to

contribute to, you know, government. They're lucky. We let them vote, you know, these plumbers

in time. But also Greg, how many times have we heard in pointing out that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

used to be a bartender? Right. Now, yeah, I noticed like when Tom Delay used to be an exterminator,

everybody was soft. That was Ipso facto evidence. Christina Montpour, I remember we'd like to bring

this up as evidence that he had no proper training, no proper qualifications to weigh in on foreign

policy. I don't see the same argument often made from our friends on the left about AOC.

And I also would point out that, no, no, no, we see that's a sign that she's in touch with the

working class. That's tough. Bill Friss, the former Tennessee Center, he was a doctor, he was a

surgeon. He like held people's pancreas in their hand or they're beating like Mola Ram, he could

pull out your heart and show it to you beating, you know, and then put it back in. That's a very

important part of that. I don't remember a ton of credit going to Bill Friss for being a doctor.

We've got Ron Paul, Rand Paul. Do you ever see, he's like, well, you know, this Republican

lawmaker does have a career in this field. Therefore, he has a more trusted authority. I'd

ever see that. But now I have a sudden book. If you're a plumber, well, then it's Ipso facto

Valerius. And this one observed, to Jimmy Kimmel, formerly of the man's show, which was well

known as an extraordinarily classy, high-minded intellectual program really on par with William F. Buckley's

firing line. And I say, by the way, I love Adam Corolla. God bless him. But I'm certainly for Jimmy

Kimmel to look down his nose at someone as not being serious enough. I don't think, well,

if Jimmy Kimmel is, I think listeners can tell that now. I'm kidding, no kidding. First of all,

late night's been dead for a while. I was looking at the ratings a few weeks back and I think it's

around the Tallarico controversy with Stephen Colbert. And average night, they're between one and

two million, good night, maybe two million, average Johnny Carson. And yes, it's more fragmented

audience now. 11 million. 11 million people want to be a bigger country than they go to bed.

Like, there's a higher population. There's more people watching TV. So you really should like,

you know, yeah, there's more cable channels, YouTube people watching different stuff. But yeah,

it's a very niche audience. And I suspect that niche audience does not include many plumbers.

No. And they're losing a gut failed who's cable, not projects. So on many different nights.

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Jim, we got some good news on our chaser. Today, Democrats are increasingly worried that

this gerrymandered effort in Virginia. Certainly not going to be as easy as they hope for,

despite having a massive money advantage. The polling is not in their favor. Last I saw,

the turnout in deep red parts of the state is way up, much more so than in the more democratic

parts of the state. And so Don Byer, who is famous for selling volvos in the Metro, DC,

Northern Virginia area, but he's also the congressman for the closest Virginia district to

Washington, DC, Arlington, Alexandria, that area. He says it's not a done deal by any means,

according to a quote from NBC News. We have to effectively make the case that even though this

seems unfair in Virginia, it's totally fair for America for those of us who believe that

taking back the house is the most significant thing we can do to stop Donald Trump. So,

we should do it because it helps us vote for the unfairness that's on my side, not on your side.

That's, you know, so let me just point out Greg, I don't know about you. We live not too far from

each other. Every time in the Northern Virginia area, when a Volvo either cuts me off or fails to

turn signal, I blame congressman Don Byer. Yes, you know, if you want to blame a gun owner,

a gunseller for putting the gun, Don Byer has put volvos in the hands of more bad drivers than

anybody else, and every time they have a co-exist sticker and they're trying to co-exist in the same

lane as mine is right at the same time. That's a problem. So it's interesting. Apparently the pro

redistricting side is the winning the spending race 17 to one. You and I talked about, you know,

dear Republicans, where are you? This is like four seats at race. If you can see this, you're

pretty much losing four seats in the house elections coming up in November. So it's glad to hear

that I still wouldn't necessarily bet against it, but it is nice to know that Virginia Republicans

understand what's at stake here and are at least showing up and early voting. It's April 23rd,

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