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We have a returning guest, John Potish, from the wonderful film.

It's just hit the bookstores and it's on Amazon now, drugs as weapons against us.

You can find his website, johnpotish.com.

On there, too, there's a link to his other fascinating book we've had him on the show.

The FBI wore on two-pock Shakur and black leaders.

But today, like I said, we're going to be talking once again about drugs as weapons against

us.

Johnny, you're there.

Yeah.

Thanks for having me on it.

Hey.

It's always great to have you on, man.

Thanks a lot.

I know you're a busy guy, too, man.

You're out there running around like crazy.

So I'll tell you a reminder to audience, who is John Potish?

Well, I work as a counselor for the living and on the side, I do do a lot of writing.

And I've written two books now that I wore on two-pock Shakur and black leaders and

drugs as weapons against us with the long subtitle of the CIA's murderous targeting

of SDS Panthers, Hendrix Lenkoving, two-pock and other activists.

And so I turned the first book into a very rudimentary movie film.

And the second book, I turned into a much more elaborate film with the different subtitle

of the CIA War on Musicians and Activists.

And so counseling is my day job, it pays my bills.

I'm just trying to do some activism on the side.

I just have to get a nice distributor, I'll say, who's gotten me in a lot of places in

terms of getting me.

Now you can see my film, you can rent it when places like iTunes, when you can rent it

when Boo Boo, Bimeo, Google Play, a YouTube rent, you can also buy it at Farms and Noble

as you mentioned, you can buy it at Best Buy, you can buy it through Walmart and through

Target.

Now, I know Walmart and Target is, they just ship it, I know Farms and Noble has it in

some stores, and we'll see about where their Best Buy is going to have in their stores

that are just shipping it.

Okay, and you can also get it directly, johnpottish.com, gentleman, see himself.

Which is better than going through Walmart, you know?

Walmart.

Yeah, Walmart.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Where they're supporting Walmart.

Right.

They got enough of our money, man.

Walmart.

Right.

Yeah.

Hey, so now, so you come to this, your counseling is drug counseling, right?

But my counseling is all kinds of counseling, especially my expertise these days with training

in last few years is in trauma work.

And so people have been all through all kinds of different trauma, whether it be sexual

abuse, physical abuse, or work, trauma, et cetera.

But I also have the expertise in addictions counseling.

So I've got a strong percentage of people I counsel with addictions, a strong percentage

with trauma, and then another strong percentage with just disorders in general.

And don't you find that many people with addictions, it's based because they've had some early childhood

trauma?

Yeah, with women or more so, you know, the statistics say that about 70% of female addicts

had some abuse in their life, some form, physical or sexual.

But man, it's not as much so.

Man, it's, you know, it can be more, it just tends to be more general addiction men for

some reason.

Though we sure are percentage of men, I'm not sure the exact percentage could be 23%

might have had some kind of abuse in their life, but you know, it's different for men.

And have you ever seen anything like we're experiencing now with the heroin addiction

and people on these opiates and stuff?

I don't see, look, heroin addiction has been around for decades now, just being

not more like scent heroin addiction, soaring when they were, you know, getting the CIA was

sending all that heroin from the Vietnam area, the Golden Triangle for poppy fields into

the United States, and I had John Stockwell, the CIA agent whistleblower talking about that.

I also have Judy Woodruff of Frontline saying, here's the CIA document admitting their heroin

trafficking from the United States.

And so, but today, yes, the Afghanistan area is supplying a vast amount of heroin.

So it might be, you know, even higher than it was during Vietnam War era.

And yeah, there's, you know, there, you've probably heard in the news of these pharmaceutical

companies pushing painkillers like crazy that are getting so many people addicted to opiates

in general, and then when they feel like when they're building up more of a tolerance

and the painkillers aren't enough, they've turned to heroin savvy enough.

Yeah, and what I've noticed too, because coming from, you know, I lived in New York City

back in the 70s and the 80s in New York City, and where you step like drive to Harlem,

you know, or drive to the alphabet city to get your heroin, but now it's like a whole

community of heroin addicts and opiate addicts who would hand-to-hand supply each other

with small amounts like, it's a whole, so what happens is once you get addicted and

in that culture, all your friends, the people you associate with, they're all part of that

same addiction.

Yeah, it does seem to be the case, right?

It's a nightmare.

And I can't see how people can extract themselves with that kind of thing.

Once they get so deep into it, I don't see how they can extract themselves.

It takes having the parents practice tough love and stop, you have to get all the

neighbors out of the picture and you have to make the addict see a serious bottom,

meaning either homelessness, you know, loss of work and homelessness and, you know,

being jailed as a consequence of their addiction or else they're not going to turn it around.

They're not going to change sadly enough.

Yeah, and I hate to say, but very often too, I find that the parents are addicts too.

The parents are my age.

They've got 20-year-old kids and the parents have been an addict for 20 years, you know,

and other kids an addict.

It's just like that.

Yeah, addiction is very genetic, so that can often be the case too, it's true.

It's a nightmare.

So now, the film has just become available, like I said on Amazon, it's just, just become

available to the public, right?

Yeah, just in the past week, we can have sure.

So now, what's the kind of reaction you're getting?

Yeah, I mean, people are telling me, you know, really nice things about it.

They're saying all kinds of very nice things about some very happy.

I mean, when I was taking through film festivals, I won about 13 awards at different festivals

and I was selected for about 35 different festivals.

So I'm very happy about that already.

And I actually did things backwards and got as fitter before I started going through the film festivals.

Don't ask me why, I just didn't know how it all worked and I was just so happy to get

anyone out for me distribution, because so many people didn't, you know, just wouldn't

talk to me about my film because it's so controversial.

So to get, you know, a major distributor saying they distributed, I was just so happy.

Now, sadly enough, I thought they were going to try to put in theaters and they weren't

and they didn't tell me that when I signed, you know, signed the contract.

So that's, that's too bad, but I'm just going to get the word out anyway, which way?

So we actually, we watched it on the big screen at the Love Film Festival in Beverly Hills

back.

I guess it was around in August.

We went out there and saw, because you know, because I'm in the film, the audience

you don't know.

This is the film that I'm in.

Me and Hank Harrison have a little clip in this movie and it was very well received by

the audience.

Everybody loved it.

It was there.

So I enjoyed it too very much, very, very excellent film, very educational, a lot of great

content in here.

So much.

Now what about the portion, though, the Kurt Cobain portion, how many people were

receiving that?

Because it's such a controversial topic and people, especially true crime fans, you know,

they think they got everything figured out and everybody has their own theory.

How is your presentation being received?

Well, nobody has, you know, told me what they think about it yet to be honest.

I just haven't heard.

They just told me about the film in general, a few people.

I just haven't heard enough feedback except, you know, I had one guy review the film that,

you know, gave it a positive review and was very fascinated by the Kurt Cobain stuff.

Another reviewer highlighted when she gave a good review, she highlighted the Kurt Cobain

stuff.

But no one's really giving me direct feedback on a lot of specifics about the Kurt Cobain

section of the film.

Well, why don't you lay out your theory of the Cobain situation?

So, well, my theory in the book is fully hashed out because I have a lot of pages to do

that with.

But people have to understand the books about 430 pages, you know, inside, you know, with

those pages, a lot of them, and notes and pictures, but nonetheless, it's somewhere between

three to 400 pages of just regular content.

And the film, film is a 60-page script to be a two-hour film.

So it's got to be much less in there.

So I couldn't give it every detail of my theory in the film that I have in the book.

So the film I'm just talking about more right now is it shows all the evidence that basically

it starts with John Stockwell talking about how in the late 80s, I have footage of him

from being interviewed in the late 80s saying that his fellow CIA agents talking about

him swafficking the heroin from the Golden Crescent area, the second, you know, the other

best area for growing copies and producing opium and heroin, it was around Afghanistan

region.

It's the other end of the same mountain range as the Golden Triangle and the Vietnam area.

Okay.

So here's all tons of heroin starting to come in from that Golden Crescent area to the

United States.

And I showed the evidence that they were worried about demand matching so high.

So they psychologically profiled different musicians the same way they'd done the 60s when

they manipulated a lot of musicians to use different drugs, like dosing John Lennon with

acid and unrecovered agent, getting, you know, committing McJager to use his first hit

of acid in 1967 with Lennon was 65 and you know, all that was happening then.

But so here we are now in the early 90s, around 1990 and they got all this heroin coming in

but the demand is not matching supply.

So I showed the evidence that they psychologically profiled curcobain because he had a massive

stomach problem that was leaving him incredible pain and his own diaries.

He said he had tried heroin to handle that pain after trying all the medications and

nothing working.

He tried heroin about three or four times in about four years or so.

I said, man, I think it was made six times total in four years.

But once his album never minds, you know, for Nevinas never minds start rising in the charts

like really meeting you in a meteoric way going up the charts.

All of a sudden in life comes running up.

He happened to be dating Billy Corrigan and she's at a party with curcobain.

She just leaves Billy Corrigan high and dry and you know puts our attention on curcobain.

They end up dating and she gets pregnant very fast and he marries her, because of her

pregnancy, marries her with a prenuptial agreement.

And now everybody, I showed quotes from people from the scene, all the friends of this

do, saying that she appeared to, she got co-bain using heroin daily for the first time in

his life.

And she was very manipulative about with that.

But then I showed the evidence that he was divorcing her within the last months of their

marriage.

And he actually had already gotten completely sober.

He found a medication which cured his stomach problem and I haven't, you know, talking

about that in an interview in the film.

And then I showed the evidence that he did a blood test in Rome because he had gone into

a coma when he was, he was really like, didn't want to support his love but he wanted to

see his daughter, you know.

And so she took Francis being co-bain over to see him when he was in Rome, touring in Rome.

She had been in England playing music in England but she got a sleep medication in England

where it's legal to prescribe Rohitnaal for sleep and Rohitnaal is roofies.

And so she gets over there and all of a sudden he's passed out in a coma.

She waits a while to call the name you and she calls the name you and she puts on full

makeup by the time they come there.

And when they tested him at the Rome hospital, his blood had no legal substances in, you

know, in it except for Rohitnaal.

So he wasn't a heroin addict at that time.

Month before he died, you know heroin in a system, I mean, he couldn't have been a heroin

addict at that time.

And he wasn't even smoking weed, he wasn't doing any analysis substances at that time.

And so a month later they say, you know, he killed himself but best evidence is, and so

I show Sarah Wecht, the former head of the American Academy of Forensic Science, saying

that when Pittsburgh news station saying that he believes that Kurt Cobain was murdered

and it was made to look like a suicide based on all the evidence that he saw.

And so he also says, weren't for the certain bleach and he said, I have that in my film,

that he's in, you know, his entire career, he's about a one, eight, two years old and his

entire career has never seen anybody shoot up ton of, you know, a massive amount of heroin

and really enough to kill six people, he says, in the earlier interview that happened

the film.

And then proceed to shoot himself that he says it just doesn't make sense.

And so that's some of the evidence that he was murdered and didn't commit suicide.

But of course, I also have the interview of Elder Oak, who said that Kurt love offered

him $50,000 to lower old man's head off.

And he says in the film, he says, you know, I end up not getting that money, I know who

did accept that money.

And he started to say the name, but then he said, well, you know, I better not save any

more of the FBI catch him.

And then he dies several days after that interview one film for Nick Broom-Jill's Courtenay.

So that's some of the evidence that Courtenay love aided in powerful forces that killed Kurt

Cobain.

Now then we have Hank Harrison's interview.

And so you did a great job at when you were doing Hank Harrison to take my evidence and

I talked my interview with Hank Harrison.

I interviewed him for about two hours and just got, I just asked him about every little

piece in his book that including, you know, about Courtenay love and the parts of Courtenay

love that were most important to me were, okay, he incidentally, you know, befriended

a CIA agent, got him Steven O'Leary, who was traveling with his, you know, he was living

in Ireland when he was there doing research.

And then, then Steven O'Leary immediately clings to his daughter, Courtney Love, who

was 16 and just turned 17 when she arrived in Dublin, Ireland.

And so I show a quote of his, she was actually hooking on the street at the time, prostrating

herself on the streets of Dublin at that time.

She was already heroin act and it constituted for the time in East Mafia and the Japanese

Mafia.

The age is a 14 to about 16 or 17 around that time or 18 or so.

But here she was, just turned 17, she's got 1,000 hits of acid on her.

And here's this guy, Steven O'Leary, who's, didn't admit it at the time.

He admitted on his deathbed, and he sent Hank Harrison a letter, Hank says, and he's

got a copy of the letter.

And he says this in print, too, in his book about the situation that Steven O'Leary was

working as a CIA agent at the time and only admitted it on his deathbed in 2005.

So I went and verified that I found the obituary for Steven O'Leary and this guy, his brother

Kevin O'Leary, who Harrison also told me about, and where he died in miniseries and I got

that and there and all that.

So I should show a copy of the obituary.

And so with that verified, O'Leary was taking Courtney Love over to London and traveling

with her for six weeks and she proceeds to hand acid and other drugs out like candy.

And she does the same thing in Portland, she does the same thing in Los Angeles, then

she does the same thing in Seattle.

And that was her man though.

So she was an asset.

I showed this is just some of the evidence that she was an asset of the US intelligence.

And this is the same pattern that happens with the number of positions that they get undercover

agents involved or people that they've manipulated like Courtney Love who has, it's hard to explain

the manipulation in the social identity disorder I believe she had.

But she was, you know, inserted into Kobe's life, got inadvertently promoting heroin

then when he served her up and threatened to promote more leftist activism, anti-war activism,

anti-racist activism, he was done away with.

And so that's the pattern that's happened with Tupac and the Cobain and Lennon and, you know,

Jimmy Hendrix, people were inserted into their lives and manipulate them and when they started

to break free of them, manipulation and sobered up and, you know, started to promote anti-war

and anti-racist activism done away with it.

Yeah, you know, in another interview, Hank told me once that Courtney was living with a

dominatrix madam.

I think it was in San Francisco, again, as a teenager, her teenage years, she was living

with a madam, you know, and others.

And she was also found on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

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You know.

Yeah.

And I see it.

You know, we're not going to.

And I'm pictures over with Kevin O'Leary as, you know, as a rock star, she's hanging out

with Kevin O'Leary, this old businessman.

And there's several pictures and they're like, what's Courtney loved doing with Kevin

O'Leary?

You know, pictures say in these tabloids say, why are they hanging out together?

And it's because she knew we're all, you know, since 16 or 17 years old, that's why

at least that long.

Yeah.

And he was the brother of CIA agent Stephen O'Leary, I'm possibly, I don't know for sure,

but the evidence seems just to point that to that.

And Stephen O'Leary admitted he was a CIA agent to Hank Harrison in a letter and he was

traveling with Kevin O'Leary once he got to London.

Kevin O'Leary was hanging out with him in Courtney when she was 17 years old and they were

hanging out for weeks together.

And Hank said that Kevin was a senior to Steve because he was ordering him around.

Really?

He was just specifically asked Hank if that Kevin Leary was a same Kevin Leary, he said

he didn't know.

Yeah.

It's hard to know.

Yeah, I don't know either.

But it's it's awfully coincidental that there's all these pictures of Courtney love hanging

out with Kevin O'Leary.

He even says, you know, Ed, he says, Leary is such a common name.

Some people are named Leary, Leary, Albert Ireland, it's just like Smith in Ireland, everybody's

name.

Yeah.

So it might, it might not be the same Kevin O'Leary, but it's awfully coincidental, I'll

say.

I'd say so too.

Also too, it's interesting now that in the news, Courtney love is involved in this big

lawsuit where she sent thugs, Sam Lofty and another couple of thugs over to Son and

Law's house to kidnap him and force him to come forward to slide favors and return a

guitar.

So it's not like she's, you know, she's been accused of pretty much the same thing years

later.

Oh, she, she acts like mafia.

I mean, she's, I mean, she's unbelievable.

She punched, you know, Kathleen Hannah, the lead singer of Bikini kill in the face, knocking

her out at the La La Plusa when Bikini kill was playing La La Plusa with, with Ho and

with Sonic Youth.

And so, so thirsted more and just for guy's wife's name in Sonic Youth, but they, they

were good friends with her, they were good friends with Kathleen Hannah and they were

talking to Kathleen Hannah at La La Plusa.

And here comes Courtney love walks up and punches her in the face knocks her out.

And they were horrified and they said, Sonic, you know, said they're not going to continue

playing La La Plusa until Ho was kicked off because what I did.

And it went at one for a while and then he finally were forced to, to say they had to keep

playing, but it was under protest.

It was just, she's, she's unbelievable.

She's unbelievable.

We brutal.

She's a number of different women just like beat them up for no reason.

She's like, you know, really incredibly brutal.

And her first husband said he was so scared of her because whenever he said he wouldn't

do something she was saying he had to do, she would get, she actually got goons to

come beat him up for not doing what she said.

So he, you know, he finally ended up divorced here.

Well, also too, don't forget she was down there at Versace House a couple of days before

he got off.

You know, what are the odds of all this, you know?

Yeah, I don't know that story, but I do know there's a man know about Versace getting

off.

And it's interesting because Tupac Shakur was friends with Versace.

He did a lot of modeling for Gianni Versace and a phase of court defended Tupac when people

said he's, you know, he's homophobic saying he was good friends with, you know, Gianni

Versace, very openly gay man and they were close.

Him and Kadada Jones's fiance were doing a lot of modeling for Versace.

And so, yeah, I think with Courtney, though, one of the biggest cases is Kristen Fath.

Kristen Fath was the, you know, best musician in whole by far.

I mean, you know, there's lots of, I quote of all kinds of magazines saying she made the

band and she was the bass player for whole and she, and Kurt, and Kurt basically kind of

fell in love with her with Kristen Fath.

He said she's, you know, just a beautiful person in every way.

And I'm just, you know, Courtney heard that she'd hit the roof.

But they, so when they were getting divorced, there was a, you know, they had already planned

to play and play music together at Kristen Fath and Kurt Cobain because Fath had already

left the band.

And so Fath ended up dying mysteriously once again.

And the last person seen with her was, you know, the guy from the whole, the man, the

guy from the whole that was in cohorts with Courtney love.

His name, I think it was Eric Arlenson.

But either way, let, you know, but Courtney's fingerprints were all over that and her, her

cohort Eric Arlenson in holes, very worrisome because he's the guy that first got Kristen

Fath to try her when it got addicted before she sobered up and left the band.

It's also interesting too.

Are you familiar with the incident where the, the cop who was murdered like in the woods

or something?

One of the cops who investigated the Cobain case that, yes, what is that story?

Go ahead.

Yeah, he wasn't, he wasn't killed in the woods.

He was hit, you know, I mean, he was knocked off, I mean, the guy, the people that even,

he was shot and nearly killed and he, he was just able to get back to the station and

say, you know, these guys were, were waving me down from the side of the road and I pulled

over and one of them knew me, he said, it's a cop or something and they shot him.

And so, you know, it was, they knew his route home to be able to do that, what they did.

And it was covered up, but it was the first police officer murder, you know, in about

nine years, I showed you, you know, we showed how that, that was the case in Seattle and it

happens to kind of find his boss's orders and investigated, put many, many hours investigating

the source of the heroin in Kurt Cobain's body and investigating the case when it was

only, you know, when his boss told him, he's only supposed to investigate it as a suicide,

not a homicide.

Okay, that's interesting.

And are you the one who told me that he was, that Courtney could have been in an informant

with him?

No, I didn't, I didn't say that.

No, okay.

You know, it's another little interesting tidbit here.

I'm trying to look up right now as we talk is that, what's that guy's, who's the PI name

out?

And all that, yeah, I just lost his name too.

Well, son, yeah, Grant, Tom Grant, now he was, he did security for Paula Jones, the

Paula Jones case happened before or after the death of Kurt Cobain, do we know?

Well, I mean, obviously the Paula Jones case happened when, when Bill Clinton was first

running for president, so the, I mean, the instance that happened in her using Bill

Clinton, President Bill Clinton, but I don't know about the case that off much.

I think, I think the case continued till, you know, after Kurt Cobain was, you know,

murdered.

But, yeah, I don't know that much about Grant except the fact that I think he did great

work in exposing Courtney Love when Courtney Love hired him just to look for, for Kurt Cobain.

He, he's, you know, started looking for a coping and realized that, that love, new work,

Cobain was, it's just several days before Cobain died and Cobain left a bunch of messages

were love saying, I'm here and I'm here and here because they just still shared Francis

Beans, a daughter, even though he was leaving her and was talking to Rosemary Carroll, their

lawyer about saying he wanted her out of his will, he's still, they still shared a daughter,

so he wouldn't, you know, heard and know where he was so that they can, you know, he could

see his daughter and all that, but so, you know, I got Rosemary Carroll on in the film saying

that, you know, his suicide, so, his suicide note was a joke, it was just copy, his handwriting

copy, she thought, you know, to make it look like a suicide note. So, you know, it's, I think

Tom Grant did some great work in finding out that his credit card that was one hit when he was,

when he died, was used after he died and, you know, showed the evidence of that and showed

evidence around like they said, the police, he pressed the police to say, what about the

fingerprints on the shotgun? They waited a long time to process any fingerprints and they

said, oh, well, there was no fingerprints on a shotgun and how does that happen? How do you put

your hands all over shotgun and say, oh, son, well, we couldn't find any fingerprints. But the

point is that, of course, did someone else hold that shotgun to a Kurt Cobain's mouth? And, you

know, other important stuff is, of course, the, the fact that they didn't develop the photographs

that they were crime scene for about a decade or more, I think it was about 15, 20 years actually,

for many years. So, I think they developed them finally in 2014 when he died when Cobain died in,

you know, 94. So, that's, I have a, in the film, a New York investigator saying, you know, he's

never seen them not develop the photographs of a crime scene. He said, unbelievable that he's

never heard that before. So, that's just some of the evidence around the fact that Cobain was

murdered, of course. Well, what do you make of the incident where Grant couldn't find the shot

gun when he searched the room? I don't know if I don't, I don't remember that too well.

Yeah, I think Grant exposed a lot of good stuff. I think, I think, I don't know about that not

finding the shotgun aspect of things. But I do think that Grant happens to be a real super

street narrow law and order kind of guy. I'm, it's my, my impression. And that's what,

that's actually what Hank had originally said, but Hank says he's very, very weighing,

adequate. And that certainly could be true because he, I don't think Tom Grant wants to consider

the fact that U.S. intelligence could have been involved in Cobain's death. But maybe I'm

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Okay, welcome back to the operaman report. I mean, our host prevent investigator at operaman.

We're here with John Padech. You can go to his website johnpadech.com and check out his

book about the two-pack FBI war against two-pack. His book Drugs His Weapons Against Us and the new

film we're talking about right now based on the book Drugs His Weapons Against Us is on Amazon.

You can find it right now. You can purchase it tonight. You can rent it on iTunes and YouTube,

Vimeo, Voodoo. I think it's called Voodoo, right? Right. I never heard of it, but Voodoo. Hey, now what about

LSD? I can understand because the theory of the movie is that the government and these intelligence

agencies, they get activists addicted to heroin and on drugs to kind of destroy us.

But what's the motive with LSD? Like what's going on with that?

Yeah, so, well, Ramsey Clark had told me 1991 at a conference that I asked him what you

think the government uses drugs for and he says, you know, if they're trafficking drugs and he

says what he thinks they use it to sedate and divide the masses. Right. Now the former head of

the students for democratic society forget his name at the top, at the top, they switched every year,

but I quote him saying that, you know, he read acid dreams, which is the founder of fairness,

accuracy and reporting his book, you know, Martin Lee and Bruce Lane's book when the way the

CIA was trafficking acid. And he says if drugs were used to state his whole generation,

and the reason they were doing it was to disorient it, disrupt it, and divert it.

And so, I showed that that was what happened, okay. You got, you know, what, you get Ronald

Stark, who was found to be basically distributing and, you know, selling at least 100 million hits

of acid in just in England alone over a three year period, according to Dick Lee, who was the

top, you know, British investigator, you know, found all this and found the drug trafficking ring

under Ronald Stark. And a Ronald Stark was the leader of the ring, but he was working with the

brotherhood of eternal love and an attacking chore in Italy, a Stark was arrested. And the first

judge in his case was murdered. Second judge has said he was releasing Stark because of numerous

proofs that Stark had been working with the secret services since 1960, meaning, you know,

this was, this is now in the case was 1975 in Italy. And so for at least 15 years, he was working

with the US intelligence around Stark. And he had acid laboratories with at least three different

continents. And the brotherhood of eternal love has been the top supplier of LSD. And so this is

just some of the mass of evidence that, you know, MK Ultra, the CIS MK Ultra, it was called Project

MK Ultra Star in 1953. They, you know, I show that, you know, Ernest Hemingway is editor,

a hot schner in his book on a way that Robert Lashbrook, the assistant director of MK of MK Ultra

had brought over tons of agents and acid and money to England to London 1965 and said,

told his agents and I quote, you know, he quotes the agents in there saying put LSD in as many

musicians hands as possible. And the reason is they've been testing that LSD all throughout the 50s

with thousands of soldiers, particularly Edward Arsenal soldiers, but thousands of different soldiers.

And they tested, got three dozen different drugs and all these soldiers and found the long term

effects, the short term effects, the long term effects. And you know, in the long term effects,

19 years later, at least 25% of those soldiers said that they still felt like their minds were hurt

by, you know, using LSD. Even 19 years later, they felt their minds were still hurting from

their LSD use. So it causes some problems in people. I show at least four studies that say that

there's some kind of cerebral damage going on there and they're just not sure how and why it's

happening, but their tests are showing cerebral damage appears to be happening in people using LSD.

Now, is it pure LSD or is it street LSD that we're not, you know, sure of, you know, because

Strict 9 was, you know, LSD is being cut with Strict 9, a rat poison for many years and still is

with many, much street acid. And so obviously the rat poison is not good for your brain.

But it's causing, you know, it's a lot of psychological problems and all that. I'm sorry about that,

um, the phone, I'll turn that off. But so, you know, it just shows that they were using the LSD to

hurt the minds of activists because it was, they were dosing the heads of students for

Democratic society in Columbia, you know, we're not in Columbia University in New York City.

They dozed, you know, loads of people, loads of activists. They would be literally admitting

working this way knowingly since 1963. And he bought 20,000 hits of LSD to the Black Panther

encampment in Algeria, where, where, um, LSD is flavoring his wife, Kathleen Cleaver, you know,

we're hosting, you know, a Black Panther party in exile, okay? So I'm just full of, uh, this

phone, I'm sorry about that. That's okay. Um, so that's like, that's some of the evidence

that, that is out there, you know, of what they were doing. And so the undercover agents had also

infiltrated Abby Hoffman's group, hippies. And, uh, Abby Hoffman got his first hit of acid from

MKeltro scientists. And, uh, at that time, all the evidence shows that he, he didn't, he wasn't using

any, um, drugs at all. He wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't weed. He was married and he had two kids,

and he was an excellent activist of the Boston area in Massachusetts. And after, after this,

someone commits them to try LSD, a few people commit some try LSD, he ended up believing his

wife and kids and moves down to New York and starts the hippies. And, uh, the hippies were heavily

infiltrated. And then they, in turn, dozed other people and other activists.

Well, what, uh, what described to me? So, yeah, because, you know, I was with the hippies down

there in, in, in New York, you know, on Blikestreet, uh, describe some of the infiltration you,

you're talking about. But George Demolese won one of the infiltrators. I named a few of the

infiltrators in my book. And, you know, wait, we're not going to be able to ever find out who all

the infiltrators were. But George Demolese was one of them and Demolese started an offshoot

group of the hippies called the crazies. Sure. And so, they ended up, um,

entrapping, uh, three, three top bombers of, uh, military-related buildings. You know,

that was Gene Alperture to memoir about it. Sam Melville, who they called the mayor of Bomber,

when he was in jail, who also led the Attica uprisings and was killed in the Attica uprisings.

Um, it was her, that was Gene Alpert's, uh, boyfriend. And, uh, another, uh, good activist woman,

and then her, and her boyfriend. They actually had the ones that started, um, like bombing

buildings connected to the war. Um, and then would, you know, call in advance. It was time bombs.

They would call the billion advance, try to evacuate everyone saying, this is a bomb's going to

go off. And at the, you know, at this time, get everyone out of there. And, and, you know, bomb

would go off and protest to the war. And after they tried, every other means to protest the war.

But it caught on. And, like, activists were don't solve the country. And the weatherman started

doing it too. But Demelie was, uh, you know, he got in by with them and then he got them put in jail.

But he also got in by with the, um, which was his activists and tried to mess their minds up with

acid. And so, you know, just, uh, that's some of what was going on with Demelie. Um, there was

another biker who was, uh, undercover FBI agent, I forget his name. Like, I'm, you know,

listen to my book. Who was it? One of, uh, either Abby Hoppin or Jay Rubin's bodyguards. So

that's some of it. Yeah, there's a, uh, uh, by coincidence, I just happened to be reading

Abby Hoppin's steel list book last night. I have, uh, yeah, I have an autographed copy I got from

them, but I was reading the version online. And, uh, this, have you read it? Uh, I think I read

parts of it. I didn't read the whole thing. You know, he was tripping so much at different points

that I, I can't say I, I love dollars worth my name means. I just think I think I was glad he,

he tried to do the activist activism he did, but promoting acid wasn't a good part of his activism.

Yeah, a lot, a lot of weird stuff. Uh, yeah, connections to Jewish defense organization, you know,

uh, that's too bad. Yeah, you know, and, you know, and, and like, even down there at nine pleakestry,

you know, there, there was tons of marijuana in that building. I was everybody getting away with

this, you know, it's just, right, you know, the whole Richard Stratton hippie mafia stuff going on,

you have tons of hash. Oh, he's bringing in. Uh, it's how, how are they getting away with this?

But then again, some of them did do time. Yeah. And I mean, I understand that Jewish defense, uh,

like, I, I, I, it's just said, I heard the Jewish defense group was working with, um,

US intelligence, but I'm not sure that, uh, I just, you know, the idea of, of fighting

asymmetricism is a great idea. But, uh, the Jewish defense league is, yeah, or whatever their,

the exact group was, uh, it just heard that they were doing ugly things. So, yeah.

But it was JDO. There was two. The JDO and the JBL and the, and the AJ was with the JDO. And the

thing is though, is that they had, there was, was bad news and that was a little more well-meaning.

I'm not sure which one. Yeah, but the thing is, is that, uh, they, they have to be a massage

connection. The other just has to be, uh, you know, uh, how could there not be?

Yeah, I don't know that, but there could be. I just don't know much about,

I don't know much about like so for a little bit. I read it. It's just all such a cesspool,

you know, everything's just so infiltrated and the more, they're all you get, the more you look

back and see different things, uh, just so much makes no sense, you know, uh, you don't know which

way to look, which way to turn. Yeah. Um, I forgot what I was going to ask you. Um,

Oh, is STS or Abbey Hoffman or the infiltrators of the appeaser?

No, I don't know. I don't know. I'm all depressed now. Oh, no, I was going to mention the thing

about the connection between High Times Magazine and Larry Flint, uh, because Larry Flint would

purchase all the High Times Magazine. So, with Tom Farsad, the original copies, and then resell

them. Uh, so basically, yeah, High Times was funded by Larry Flint. Yeah, it's just one thing

after another. Uh, so, and also two in the movie too, you get into the whole thing about the

original opium trade and the bankers, how the bankers funded all this and the same banking

institutions that we have today. Can, can you cover that real quick? Yeah. Well, basically,

Americans found by, uh, well, I shouldn't say America, but the Ivy League colleges were founded

with tons of money from the wealthiest families, uh, who happened to make a lot of their money off

of opium dealing, opium shipping. And they did that with the British India company. And so,

I have James Bradley, who was the New York Times bestselling author of, um, uh, what's he called,

that Clint Eastwood movie, uh, he made Clint Eastwood made a movie based on it, uh, flags of our

fathers was called. Okay. And so, Bradley and the movie explained in that, that the low family,

uh, you know, made their money off of opium shipping before, uh, creating low library Columbia

University and creating, you know, putting the money into a lot of the major buildings of

Columbia University. The Russell family put huge amounts of money to start Yale, Yale University

and the Russell's were the biggest opium, uh, shippers in America. And, uh, same thing with

Green at Princeton and Cabot, the Cabot at Harvard. And you can just go through not all of them,

but most of those Ivy League schools were founded by families that made huge amounts of wealth

off of opium money. And so, I show how this continued. And to the, to the point where the Russell's

founded, um, the Skull and Bone Society is your secret society at a Yale. And, and each of the

people that graduated from Skull bones got the equivalent of about 220,000 dollars, you know,

upon graduation. And, uh, so they started off a huge, uh, usually ahead of everyone else with all

that kind of money on graduation. And that money was the Russell Trust, which funded those,

endowments of each of those Skull and Bone's members was opium money. And so that's some way it

worked. And so the JP Morgan family, uh, P stands for Pierpont, they were in a marriage with the

Russell's, uh, Rockefellers were a lot of them graduated from Yale with, you know, some Skull and

Bone's. And, you know, the Carnegie's and Vanderbilt's were all very close with these other opium

shipping families. And that's the way it all worked. Um, they, they basically founded the

Eugenics Movement. Um, and so they come up to today and you see that JP Morgan Chase,

Chase was founded by Rockefeller family, JP Morgan, I just described. And that's the largest

bank in the world. And then you got HSBC, which stands for Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation.

That's the third largest bank in the world, Europe's largest bank. And that was founded just

a few years after the second opium war. And the opium wars were a war in China to force the

Chinese is to stop banning opium. Because in the, what they, the Chinese leaders banned opium

because they found so much their population getting addicted. And so, uh, England fought two wars

on behalf of the opium, you know, shippers. And, uh, and they won those wars against China and

force China to give up Taiwan and up Hong Kong. And, um, so that's where that, that new bank was

formed based on that opium shipping and then came the, you know, third largest bank in the world.

And that's, and now those same banks, though, now are caught launching between, you know,

up 500 and a billion and a trillion dollars of drug money. Well, money will say in general,

but a majority of it's drug money. And those, those figures come from the United Nations inspectors,

you know, I mean, that's, those are commonly known figures 500 billion to a trillion dollars a

year is, is laundered in US banks. Um, and so, um, it's just, you know, HSBC was called a ton of money

laundering in, uh, Europe, uh, but by the bomb administration actually called it a find them,

but a JP Morgan Chase was fine by the Obama administration for massive money laundering. And,

you know, of course, again, I'm juries of a drug money, but a number of the banks were caught,

laundering loads of money that way. Or in the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, I said.

So we have these major institutions, you know, some of the greatest founding institutions

over the whole of our country, but not really the whole world. And they would, they would,

they got their fortunes opium, uh, opium started by opium. Yeah. Now, was there ever a day or an

incident that we can look to that they point to that say, Hey, this is the day we stopped doing all that.

That's the big question. And, you know, just the best evidence, you know, as I said earlier in

our interview, you know, Judy Woodruff of Frontline says, here's the CIA document saying that they

admitted that they were, they were flying out from Vietnam with the heroin and into the United States

with the heroin. So, and then they got CIA's whistleblower, you know, stock well talking about it and all.

So, you know, uh, so why was the CIA doing that? Oh, the CIA was started by a lot of these top families.

I talked about the, the Rockefellers, Bushes, the Harriman's, the Vanderbilt's, the JP Morgan's,

the Carnegie's. They were all key to starting the CIA because the CIA was made by the National

Security Council Act of 1947. It was made above the law CIA. Like they, they, they were, you know,

by, you know, it's sounding it could do things outside the law, but just on, you know,

based it, when the interest of national security was a national security, right? It was just

their own security to keep doing illegal things. The other families, the all guards that run this

country. Yeah, and, and you hear these stories, you know, I had, uh, uh, uh, Frank Sturgis' nephew

on my show, you know, he talks about how Frank had his own B25 bomber.

Had his own bombing jet and he would, he was dropping bombs at the palace. I think it was in Haiti

because of a gambling tent that the, the, the, the, the, the, the president of Haiti. Oh, the

gambling that's at a mafia. Frank Sturgis is dropping a bomb on his house. You know,

for people that don't know, Sturgis was, was, uh, you know, a Wargate plumber. He was caught with,

you know, for the, by the Nixon administration involved in the, in the Wargate break-in, right?

Oh, yeah. And Sturgis ran with, uh, Jose Paredomo, Jose San, Janice Paredomo, who was the,

um, dormant at the Dakota night, John Lennon was killed. And it's believed that, that while,

you know, Chapman, Mark Chapman was one of the shooters of John Lennon, the other shooter,

to make sure it was effective was, Jose Paredomo. He's actually the first person suspected of doing

shooting. And so, well, here is a guy, a CIA hitman who's, who gets a job working at John,

as John Lennon's, you know, doorman that night at the department building right there when he's

killed, you know, and so it's just, it's just one of many pieces of evidence that the CIA,

you know, murder, John Lennon is that big enough? Yeah, it's just one thing after another,

you know, and, and the film covers so many different topics. I remember it's so many different angles.

Uh, and it ends pretty much with the, and here we are now in Afghanistan, uh, pretty much doing

the same thing, because the beginning is the whole history of the opium trade and toward the end,

it's a, uh, back back to the opium trade Afghanistan, right? Thanks. Yeah, I mean, here we are. The

longest war in US history in Afghanistan, the second longest war in history in Vietnam,

the two areas of the top poppy, you know, to grow poppies to produce opium and heroin in the world.

And, you know, it's fascinating too, because you know, I remember they, they, they released a,

a video from a bomber jet that, that Trump had one of the opium, the heroin manufacturing plants

in Afghanistan, they bombed it. And this was no little shack. This was like a big giant factory.

This is a big operation. Uh, what do you think the motivations, but maybe like, uh, an act or,

or I think you really did it? What, what do you think went on there? I don't know. Yeah, because usually

they're protecting the opium, you know, there's loads of pictures of soldiers protecting the poppy

fields. And they were really upset, you know, when the Taliban actually eradicated, uh, the heroin,

you know, the poppy fields, they said, no more heroin dealing in 92,000 Taliban, uh, New York

Times Washington Post even admitted that the Taliban had said never more, uh, heroin trafficking

out of Afghanistan. And all of the US had left in 2000 was northern alliance with the tiny

percentage of heroin trafficking because all the, all the rest was outlawed and stopped. And that

was a huge hit on the stock market because of all the money laundering that boosts the stock market.

So that was one of the biggest reasons it appears for the invasion of Afghanistan. But of course,

as soon as we invaded control of Afghanistan more, you know, with all of our occupying forces,

all of a sudden the, uh, heroin went back into production and it went just, you know,

record breaking levels in Afghanistan and still is there today supplying 70 to 90 percent of

the world with its, you know, opium and heroin. But, um, yeah, so I don't know, didn't hear about what

you just said about Trump bombing a heroin-producing factory. If it's true, good that he did. If it's

not, I, you know, I just don't know if it is true. But, um, I was very happy to hear that

was pulling soldiers out of Afghanistan and Syria. And that was great news. And God knows how,

how the press attacked him for that, ridiculous. But the press is, is just routinely supported

perpetual war savvy enough because they're in bed. They share, you know, boards of directors with

the arms manufacturers and the oil companies and the pharmaceutical companies that get cheaper

opium from those places too. Yeah, I wish we had more time to get into the whole business about

how the press is supporting this invasion into Venezuela right now. Yeah. But, but, but,

I'm glad we don't want, we maybe I should come back. So, John, we're out of time. What do you want

to leave us with before you go? Well, thanks so much, Ed, for, uh, you know, media like yours that,

that push, you know, the new information like this. But I just hope people can look at this

information at drugsasweaponsmovie.com and find the places to, you know, rent the film or buy the film.

And, um, you know, if you, if you like what you hear, remember there's a whole lot more than

information. You subject in the book and you can buy it there or you can buy the drugsasweapons.com.

Yeah, the book is very, I mean, the movie is a very thoroughly covers a lot, a lot of topic, very

well researched, a great documentary. John Pardash, thank you so much.

Thanks so much, Ed. Good night. Okay, so we have John Pardash from JohnPardash.com and drugs

as movies, uh, drugsasweaponsagainstmovie.com. Check that out. It's available right now on Amazon

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I'm in it. So you want to support John Pardash because I'm in the film, uh, so keep an eye on that.

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