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Joseph is More than a Colorful Coat
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Title: Joseph is More than a Colorful Coat
Description: Today we are joined by frequent guest of the History of the Papacy, but first time guest on Beyond the Big Screen, Gil Kidron of A Podcast of Biblical Proportions. We talk about the year 2000 animated film Joseph: Man of Dreams. Is this movie another kids film that misses the point of a biblical story or does it get the story more right than it even should have?
Original Publication Date: 6/30/2022
Learn More About our Guest:
Gil Kidron, host of:
A Podcast of Biblical Proportions
https://podcastofbiblicalproportions.com/
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Music Provided by:
"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License
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Image Credits:
Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=6375668
Begin Transcript:
Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast, where we talk about great movies and stories so great they should be movies Of course, a big thanks goes out to Gil Kidron, host of a Podcast of Biblical proportions. Links to learn more about Gil and A Podcast of Biblical Proportions at https://podcastofbiblicalproportions.com/ or in the Show Notes.
You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen sustainable and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.
A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!
Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen.
We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Featuring great shows like: Josh Cohen’s Eyewitness History podcast.
You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, how to contact me, the Parthenon Podcast network and how support the show by going to our website atozhistorypage.com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the Big Screen.
[00:00:00] Hi, Gil. Thanks again for coming on with me, me coming on your show. I'm really excited about today. Hi Steven. Yeah, this is a collab about maybe my favorite story of all time. The story of Joseph who shh. Such a good. It's really growing on me too. I it's, it's raising up through the ranks of my favorite story.
I'm in, there's so many good stories, but I think this one is definitely top 10, maybe top five, this field that we're going to talk about. An excellent job. And I'm really happy with what the, so this movie, Joseph King of dreams, it's really amazing how closely it's stuck to the biblical story from Genesis, uh, 37 to about 50 51.
So Joseph [00:01:00] doesn't get his own book, but he gets a solid chunk of Genesis to himself. So apparently the makers, the creators of the movie in their first showing of the movie to all the producers, there was like deafening silence. And the bottom line was, this is horrible. This is not a story. It doesn't mean.
Nothing fits. It makes no sense. And then they had to go to the drawing board to go back to the drawing board. Actually, now that I think about it, the D even do like a drawing board, like a, you know, the, what you might call it, a storyboard or the storyboard. Sorry. Went back and looked like what's the actual story, because there are several layers of editing and additions and stuff that doesn't really fit.
And they just found the core of the story, the vision of the story, hang on to it and just ignored everything that didn't fit. And as I was watching the movie. Yes, you got it. You found it just like all the, all the things in those chapters [00:02:00] that just interfere with the natural organic progression of the story are not in the movie.
So just like, you know, I have a Bible podcast have a podcast about films. This could be like a great opportunity for me to just say they didn't understand this movie at all. Let me tell you what it's all about now. The story, not the movie that just stood the story, the gut story story about a family feud about forgiveness, about opening, and you leave, it's an it story with a happy ending, with a happy ending.
Yeah. And that's amazing. And not so many of these biblical stories, there is no happy ending or there is an, uh, an ending that wraps it up into a night and sneaky. And we'll talk so much too, about some of the ideas that you've developed in your podcast, a biblical proportions about how this book was written.
So we're going to be going to movies and literature and literature review. There's going to be a lot [00:03:00] going on and I can't really wait to talk about this. Just a quick refresher for those of us who have forgotten the main plot of Joseph, the film is called Joseph Kingston. Because Joseph's superpower is at the beginning, dreaming the future and then interpreting other people's dreams to see the future.
He is the favorite son of the third, a Hebrew patriarch. Jacob Yacov also named the Israel that fatherly love makes Joseph's brothers jealous. Throw him into a pit. They sell him into slavery. In Egypt, it starts out as a service in Egypt, climbs through the ranks, becomes the number two person in the entire land.
Second, only to the Pharaoh. And then when his brothers come, he recognizes, they don't recognize him. And there's a lot of. And then by the end, he tells them who is he forgives them, asks for their forgiveness. They bring their father and they're very [00:04:00] prosperous and successfully Egypt. And they're happy family again, the end, it's a happy.
With a little bit of extra singing because it's Dreamworks. So you got to have some show tunes in there, but for the most part, that is the story of the movie, Joseph Manoj dreams, and then Joseph from Genesis, the aunt and the last couple of sections of Genesis. We talk about how the show, the dream like van Gogh painting.
Wonderful. Yeah. That's I mean, I think if you read it, you might. I have a different imagery for the dreams, but I think that that's really how they portray them in the movie is probably how somebody would have dreams like that. It's not going to be a literal or. Uh, film type. It's going to be that the stocks of wheat, and then they fall there's one in the middle and they're all swirling around.
That's how you're going to have the dream of that sort of thing. Right. They really, I think are there all of their [00:05:00] dream sequences really do justice to the biblical story. You know, it's not easy to do justice to an iconic biblical story. So really kudos for that for the visuals because the visuals, no, I can't say that.
I imagined it as a Vanguard, but it doesn't matter. The descriptions in the, in the biblical story are very colorful, very grand and wonderful. That's really apt the way that, uh, that they did it. Kudos. Clearly Jacob prefers Joseph over the other 11 ish of brothers, 10, 11 brothers. And he does him a disservice.
Yeah. Which exactly does them, this survey. Jacob gives Joseph a beautiful coat. They call it the coat of many colors, the tunic of many colors. We'll get into a little bit of the symbolism of that, but, and really, I guess then the high level, this coat really makes the other brothers jealous and just a whole bunch of [00:06:00] these dreams.
Jacob has. Are these genes that Joseph has really says that Joseph is going to be above all the other brothers. He's like me, me, me, me, me, the brothers really hate it. And they can cock this scheme to get rid of Joseph where they, uh, trick Joseph into getting separated from everybody. They sell Joseph into slavery, the throw into a pit for Roman to a pit.
They sell them into say slavery, the hen to make it look to Egypt, to make it look like Joseph has just been killed out in the field by wild wolves. They take the coat of many colors, put some blood onto it, give it to Jacob, Jacob. So upset. Then the narrative takes over as Joseph. Through being sold as a slave and to Egypt, I think he gets sold to the may a lights for 20 pieces of [00:07:00] silver man.
He's sold to the . 30 pieces. Yeah. And this is was, uh, it was sold at 4:30 PM, which that, and we can talk about some of the symbolism of the 30 pieces of silver, because that kind of set off alarm bells for me. Yeah. That stands out. They make a really good job at making it, you know, uh, seem reasonable. Every, everybody is reasonable, all their motives and motivated.
Uh, reasonable. So first of all, we have to say, Joseph, you're safe yourself. The reason that his name that this is his name is added like added on. He is like the added child. That's the explanation that we'll give him earlier in Genesis. And also Joseph is like an added son to Jacobs Sans, which are in the Bible, are all upon him, upon him as characters, which means that they have the name of.
Uh, so Judah, the character, Judah is a character named [00:08:00] after the tribe, the kingdom of Judah, just given, uh, as a character, you have levy and all that. Those are. You know, we read it in the Bible as if that came first, but that didn't come first.
Description: Today we are joined by frequent guest of the History of the Papacy, but first time guest on Beyond the Big Screen, Gil Kidron of A Podcast of Biblical Proportions. We talk about the year 2000 animated film Joseph: Man of Dreams. Is this movie another kids film that misses the point of a biblical story or does it get the story more right than it even should have?
Original Publication Date: 6/30/2022
Learn More About our Guest:
Gil Kidron, host of:
A Podcast of Biblical Proportions
https://podcastofbiblicalproportions.com/
You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:
www.atozhistorypage.com
www.beyondthebigscreen.com
Click here to support Beyond the Big Screen!
https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreen
https://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen
Click to Subscribe:
https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feed
email: [email protected]
www.beyondthebigscreen.com
https://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacy
Parthenon Podcast Network Home:
parthenonpodcast.com
On Social Media:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypage
https://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcast
https://twitter.com/atozhistory
Music Provided by:
"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
Image Credits:
Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=6375668
Begin Transcript:
Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast, where we talk about great movies and stories so great they should be movies Of course, a big thanks goes out to Gil Kidron, host of a Podcast of Biblical proportions. Links to learn more about Gil and A Podcast of Biblical Proportions at https://podcastofbiblicalproportions.com/ or in the Show Notes.
You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen sustainable and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.
A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!
Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen.
We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Featuring great shows like: Josh Cohen’s Eyewitness History podcast.
You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, how to contact me, the Parthenon Podcast network and how support the show by going to our website atozhistorypage.com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the Big Screen.
[00:00:00] Hi, Gil. Thanks again for coming on with me, me coming on your show. I'm really excited about today. Hi Steven. Yeah, this is a collab about maybe my favorite story of all time. The story of Joseph who shh. Such a good. It's really growing on me too. I it's, it's raising up through the ranks of my favorite story.
I'm in, there's so many good stories, but I think this one is definitely top 10, maybe top five, this field that we're going to talk about. An excellent job. And I'm really happy with what the, so this movie, Joseph King of dreams, it's really amazing how closely it's stuck to the biblical story from Genesis, uh, 37 to about 50 51.
So Joseph [00:01:00] doesn't get his own book, but he gets a solid chunk of Genesis to himself. So apparently the makers, the creators of the movie in their first showing of the movie to all the producers, there was like deafening silence. And the bottom line was, this is horrible. This is not a story. It doesn't mean.
Nothing fits. It makes no sense. And then they had to go to the drawing board to go back to the drawing board. Actually, now that I think about it, the D even do like a drawing board, like a, you know, the, what you might call it, a storyboard or the storyboard. Sorry. Went back and looked like what's the actual story, because there are several layers of editing and additions and stuff that doesn't really fit.
And they just found the core of the story, the vision of the story, hang on to it and just ignored everything that didn't fit. And as I was watching the movie. Yes, you got it. You found it just like all the, all the things in those chapters [00:02:00] that just interfere with the natural organic progression of the story are not in the movie.
So just like, you know, I have a Bible podcast have a podcast about films. This could be like a great opportunity for me to just say they didn't understand this movie at all. Let me tell you what it's all about now. The story, not the movie that just stood the story, the gut story story about a family feud about forgiveness, about opening, and you leave, it's an it story with a happy ending, with a happy ending.
Yeah. And that's amazing. And not so many of these biblical stories, there is no happy ending or there is an, uh, an ending that wraps it up into a night and sneaky. And we'll talk so much too, about some of the ideas that you've developed in your podcast, a biblical proportions about how this book was written.
So we're going to be going to movies and literature and literature review. There's going to be a lot [00:03:00] going on and I can't really wait to talk about this. Just a quick refresher for those of us who have forgotten the main plot of Joseph, the film is called Joseph Kingston. Because Joseph's superpower is at the beginning, dreaming the future and then interpreting other people's dreams to see the future.
He is the favorite son of the third, a Hebrew patriarch. Jacob Yacov also named the Israel that fatherly love makes Joseph's brothers jealous. Throw him into a pit. They sell him into slavery. In Egypt, it starts out as a service in Egypt, climbs through the ranks, becomes the number two person in the entire land.
Second, only to the Pharaoh. And then when his brothers come, he recognizes, they don't recognize him. And there's a lot of. And then by the end, he tells them who is he forgives them, asks for their forgiveness. They bring their father and they're very [00:04:00] prosperous and successfully Egypt. And they're happy family again, the end, it's a happy.
With a little bit of extra singing because it's Dreamworks. So you got to have some show tunes in there, but for the most part, that is the story of the movie, Joseph Manoj dreams, and then Joseph from Genesis, the aunt and the last couple of sections of Genesis. We talk about how the show, the dream like van Gogh painting.
Wonderful. Yeah. That's I mean, I think if you read it, you might. I have a different imagery for the dreams, but I think that that's really how they portray them in the movie is probably how somebody would have dreams like that. It's not going to be a literal or. Uh, film type. It's going to be that the stocks of wheat, and then they fall there's one in the middle and they're all swirling around.
That's how you're going to have the dream of that sort of thing. Right. They really, I think are there all of their [00:05:00] dream sequences really do justice to the biblical story. You know, it's not easy to do justice to an iconic biblical story. So really kudos for that for the visuals because the visuals, no, I can't say that.
I imagined it as a Vanguard, but it doesn't matter. The descriptions in the, in the biblical story are very colorful, very grand and wonderful. That's really apt the way that, uh, that they did it. Kudos. Clearly Jacob prefers Joseph over the other 11 ish of brothers, 10, 11 brothers. And he does him a disservice.
Yeah. Which exactly does them, this survey. Jacob gives Joseph a beautiful coat. They call it the coat of many colors, the tunic of many colors. We'll get into a little bit of the symbolism of that, but, and really, I guess then the high level, this coat really makes the other brothers jealous and just a whole bunch of [00:06:00] these dreams.
Jacob has. Are these genes that Joseph has really says that Joseph is going to be above all the other brothers. He's like me, me, me, me, me, the brothers really hate it. And they can cock this scheme to get rid of Joseph where they, uh, trick Joseph into getting separated from everybody. They sell Joseph into slavery, the throw into a pit for Roman to a pit.
They sell them into say slavery, the hen to make it look to Egypt, to make it look like Joseph has just been killed out in the field by wild wolves. They take the coat of many colors, put some blood onto it, give it to Jacob, Jacob. So upset. Then the narrative takes over as Joseph. Through being sold as a slave and to Egypt, I think he gets sold to the may a lights for 20 pieces of [00:07:00] silver man.
He's sold to the . 30 pieces. Yeah. And this is was, uh, it was sold at 4:30 PM, which that, and we can talk about some of the symbolism of the 30 pieces of silver, because that kind of set off alarm bells for me. Yeah. That stands out. They make a really good job at making it, you know, uh, seem reasonable. Every, everybody is reasonable, all their motives and motivated.
Uh, reasonable. So first of all, we have to say, Joseph, you're safe yourself. The reason that his name that this is his name is added like added on. He is like the added child. That's the explanation that we'll give him earlier in Genesis. And also Joseph is like an added son to Jacobs Sans, which are in the Bible, are all upon him, upon him as characters, which means that they have the name of.
Uh, so Judah, the character, Judah is a character named [00:08:00] after the tribe, the kingdom of Judah, just given, uh, as a character, you have levy and all that. Those are. You know, we read it in the Bible as if that came first, but that didn't come first.
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