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1:25The fusion of entertainment, enlightenment and empowerment. This is the Glenn Beck program. Hello America. It looks like it might be a hung jury. We're going to talk about that. What does that mean? Why is that happening? Because there's actually five different outcomes. It's not guilty or insane. There's five different outcomes from this. Somebody is saying, I'm not moving. I'm not a budgeon. It could be six people. It could be one person. We don't know. It has us reading the t-shirt colors of people now. It's appropriate to massacres. It's almost witchcraft what's

2:29happening right now. Also, Charlie Kirk-Trial allowed to go forward. We're going to get into that. Something Jason and I were talking about. When we first came in, we were talking about the news. He said, I heard you talk about something. Have you watched and we started talking about what we both watched on TV? I think we're going to start there because it's remarkable. We're going to talk about it in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about our sponsor, this half hour. It's Paytree at Mobile. There are probably 10 companies that you gave money to today without even thinking about it. You bought gas, you ordered something online. Maybe you paid for an app that you forgot you subscribed to while you were asleep. Some are in there. Your cell phone company got paid. If you're conservative, it's worth asking whether that company is caching those checks and sending some of those things to preserve values that you are absolutely against. They go against your values. That's why I talked to you about Paytree at Mobile. They're America's only Christian conservative wireless provider and they support the values that you and I care about.

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4:37of insiders and it's controversial because how much money it costs and everything else. It just came out on Amazon and so I sat down yesterday with my wife and I thought, I'm going to let's just see if this is any good. Within the first 45 seconds, the response out of my mouth was, wow, I can see why this costs so much money. It is beautiful. Jeremy wrote the story. I think it's based on a book but he wrote it for, re-wrote it for television. He directed it. He produced it. Shockingly, he didn't start in it as well. But it is, if you, if you like the sword in the stone, if you like the two towers or Lord of the Rings, you're going to like this. However, with an exception of the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, that's not about good and evil

5:38and that is about Christ the way it was written. Not necessarily the way it was produced but the way it was written. You can still see that. But almost everything on television now is about witchcraft, and all of this crap. Not much is about Christianity. So I start watching this and it starts with pagan gods and everything else and I'm not going to give anything away but it doesn't last with the pagan gods very long. And nowhere on television are you getting that kind of message in a good quality series. I mean, with an exception of, I mean, this is up there with what's the the chosen. I mean, is this as well done as the chosen? And I only watched the first episode, you know, I said to, I said a lot of pagan stuff. I think it's going to turn to Christianity and Jason, you watched the second episode and that's where it turns hard. Yeah, I think I think it kind of turns towards

6:42the end of the first episode but it really goes hard on the second episode and Glenn, I had the same moment when I was watching last night because I didn't read the books. I knew nothing about I don't know anything about it. Nothing. And then I'm watching it and I had the same realization when I was a child, maybe eight years old, watching Benher with my father. And my father, he was a church of Christ preacher, you know, always, you know, always directing the top, everyday topics towards some kind of biblical perspective, which is awesome. But in entertainment, it was always kind of, I guess, tiring for me as an eight year old boy. And he was like, let's watch this movie. This is awesome. You know, and Benher and I was like, oh, the swords, you know, and the races and the Romans. This is awesome. And then at the end of the movie, you're like, oh, Dad, I see what you did here, but I like it. Yeah, I see what you did here to be boring. And I really like it. It's amazing. You know, the opening scene where, you know, they're worshiping Baal and it's Atlantis. And the bulls are coming out and they're doing

7:48these amazing, I mean, it's like bullfighting except instead of waving a cape, you jump over the bull. And do you have any idea if that was ever done? Because I was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. No, you know, if that was ever done like that, I don't know, but it was like, I think it was in Atlantis. So I think the source material might be hard to guess. I agree with I agree. I see I see where you're going. See where you're going. But it's really good. Now, I will say that the one of the stars, the woman who I think plays the lady in the lake, is to quote Jason a smoke show. It's a quote me. It's a quote you. That's your phrase. She a total smoke show. She's a total smoke show. She is not hard to watch on television. I will tell you though that Jeremy, I think, knew that. And I don't think I've ever seen

8:52lower cut clothing on a woman than on the total smoke show. So it does get distracting from time to time. You're like, I don't even know what she's saying. The sound could have been off for the last half hour. And I don't even I don't know. She is so beautiful. She is so beautiful. But you know, at one point, she comes off of her horse. And she's in and I don't even know how much of this is true. I'd like to do some research on the show and see what's true and what's not. It's four century England. And so they these two monks are coming in to reclaim this kind of little church area, you know, for Christ and reclaim it. They've been driven out and they're coming back. And there's this horse in front of it. And they come in and there she is sitting in, you know, bathed in the sun. And they fall to their knees and they're like, you know, it's the Virgin Mary. And they so they start worshipping because they think it's she's a vision and the Virgin Mary. And she's like, I don't know who this Virgin Mary is. And they both get up and they're like, Oh, well,

9:55the Virgin Mary, it's the mother of our Lord blah, blah, blah. I'm thinking these guys, these guys, these guys are not real men because the real man would have stayed on their knees who went, good, okay. So come here often. I mean, it was. It's pretty bad. That's pretty good. That was the one hit on the, you know, the reality. So I get it. It's fantasy. But when you think that it's the Virgin Mary and she says, no, I'm not the Virgin Mary. Yeah. The first words out of your mouth, then should pivot to how you do it. How you do it? So how you doing? One of them immediately becomes your wingman. I mean, I don't understand what happened there. These guys, it was not real. It was not reality at all. But anyway, check, check the pen dragon cycle. It's on Amazon. I mean, I have to tell you, I'm not getting anything for this. It is so controversial in our circle of friends. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. You know what? Can I just,

10:59let me just say something and this is really inside baseball. So let me, I'm already here. Can we stop all this? Please, can we please stop? I don't consider anyone a competitor. And I don't know why everybody is considering everyone else a competitor. We're not competitor. You know who we're competing against? Satan. We're competing against evil. We're competing against Marxism. We're competing against apathy. We're not competing against each other. Stop it. Stop. Why we don't all promote one another? Why we don't all help each other? Why do we all don't celebrate everybody's victories when they have it? Is beyond me. It's beyond me. Here is, here is a series, a TV series. And the downside is, I don't think another season's going to be made unless this is wildly popular. And I think it could be if people will search it out because it's nowhere,

12:01you have to go to the search box and find it. Pen Dragon cycle. And you'll love it. You will love it. You will watch it with your family. You will love it. But that's the only downside. This is, this is as good as anything I have seen in that genre. And it was done by our guys modern day, it was done to promote Christianity. It's not hoki in any, well, except for the scene when they're in the church with the lay. It's not hoki in any way. And people are like, I don't know if I don't know if they should talk about it. I don't know if we should talk about it. Are we going to say something about? Yes, we're going to say something about it. And everybody should say something about it. It's a victory. And you know what? Some people are like, you know, Jeremy Boring, he's got such an ego. I don't, you know what? Watch it. Watch it. Maybe he has an ego. Maybe that's

13:02a healthy ego. Maybe he has a reason for having an ego. That was beautiful and well done. It's one of the best things I've seen our side produce. And I say the same thing about angel. Angel has made a few movies that are beautiful and great. And thank God somebody's finally doing it. We're not getting just hoki movies anymore. We can make exciting movies and it doesn't clash with our values. You want to change America. You must change it in the culture first. How did we get here? How did we get here? We got here because we didn't think culture mattered. We didn't think it mattered. We didn't do anything about it. We just kept saying, well, they can do it. They can have it. They can do it. Well, they do it better than us. I'm concentrating on business. I'm concentrating on this. Well, I, you know what? The universities are crazy,

14:07but they're always going to be crazy. Things will never change. We gave them the culture. Now for a few people trying to regain the culture, trying to regain education, trying to go out and they're busting their ass for it. I mean, Jeremy, I mean, I got to tell you that cost a lot. And everyone involved, the cost were more than just money. Everybody involved on all sides of that sacrifice something and lost something for it. It was, it's, I can't say for them, to me, it was worth it. But only if you watch it. And don't pick sides. God, I'm tired of the sides. I was just having, I had a meeting with somebody yesterday. And they were talking about some other issue. And everybody was like, well, I don't know the side to this side and that side. And this woman, I was meeting with, she said, are you sick of the sides as much as I am? And I'm like, I can't

15:11take it anymore. I mean, I have to tell you, God doesn't need any of us. He doesn't need any of us. If he did, he wouldn't be God. He doesn't need any of us. His will's going to be done, whether you like it or not. Okay? Whether you participate or not, it's going to be done. You won't do it. He'll find somebody else. The thing is, he's inviting you to be a part of it. He's inviting to partner with you. The end is already written. He's saying, you want to be involved. It's going to be really, really cool. It's going to be really, really cool. He's asking all of us to do it. And what are we doing? We're arguing amongst each other. Whether it's our faiths, our businesses, right now, you look at what's happening in Congress. I have no time for the Republicans. Zero. I'm so done with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. However, I've been here

16:14since the beginning of the Tea Party. You know how long we have worked to be able to get somebody, not with, not with his lack of charisma, not with his family problems, but somebody who will vote the way Ken Paxton votes. Do you know how long we've worked for that? We are so close. We are so close. You finally got rid of Corning. And because people want to play sides, because some people are pissed off about Corning and Corning is pissed off. He's putting his country in the secondary position. His pole position is, well, I'm pissed off. Didn't go my way. I mean, I don't get it. I don't get it. We have so many great things happening right now. There are so many people making so many inroads. Do you realize it's been two years since you

17:20thought the entire country was on fire? We all thought we're doomed. We're doomed. Do you feel we're doomed right now? Or do you feel like we're still struggling? I feel like we're still struggling. And if we don't, if we're not careful, we'll be doomed right back where we were or worse. And what are we doing? We're arguing. My side, your side, I don't like that guy. I don't like this guy. How about we just go with principles? How about we just say, hey, let's vote and do the right thing. Let's change our families and support the culture that is going to change everything. You're not going to change this country through elections. You're going to change this country through culture. That's that, well, that's what got us here. Culture. We now are making massive inroads while they're collapsing. Nobody's going to their movies. Nobody's watching their crap.

18:27They're bankrupting themselves. Their egos are out of control. They're not make, they're not listening to you. They keep making the same crap over and over again. Meanwhile, we've got people who are actually doing stuff that's good. Watch it. Watch it and support it. Will you? Pendragon cycle. And you know what? I know I have a subscription service and I ask you all the time. Please join us in the blaze. We need your support. But you know what? If I'm doing something that you don't like and you think that Ben Shapiro is doing something over a daily wire, support them. Sign up for daily wire. Sign up for blaze. I don't make any money from blaze. I sold the blaze. I don't have anything to do with the blaze except I am proud to be a partner with the blaze. I'm proud that they carry my show on the blaze. I'm proud. I'm so happy to see them successful. The things that they have had that are putting one after another in and getting new hosts and everything else. I can't, I am thrilled for their success. Can we for the love of Pete grow up?

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21:47Charlie Kirk case can go to trial on every count. I can't believe that was ever in question. Robinson entered a plea of not guilty. Erica Kirk sat in the courtroom with her mother-in-law, and during the prosecution's rebuttal, she put her head in her hands, and the woman next to her just rubbed her back. I mean, and she had a reason to put her head in her hand. You would not believe what this defense attorney said. And it's the word true that I want to focus on. The word true, and we go there next. Also up to Boston, what's happening with the possible hung jury. What does that mean? All of that next. Here's something interesting about Medicare. Two people can be the same age live across the street from each other and still have completely different needs. One takes three prescriptions. The other takes none. One travels constantly. The other has doctors they

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23:53we've been here before. I'm wearing the shirt today as a reminder, you can get yours at glinbeckshop.com. Before I get into what's happening in the courtrooms in America quickly, I want to tell you, I just sent Ricky something I just to tweet. I have the no the no ball prize with John Thunes face on it. Not to be confused with the no bell prize. This is the no ball prize awarded for sacklessness. And I'm going to be sending this to him. And I just announced it on she's going to tweet it out here for me. But I will tell you, I'm not going to say this. Ricky, go ahead and say, you're, well, I don't know if he's completely sackless today. Go ahead. He is, but go ahead. You can make him. Oh great. You're going to turn me into the villain of this show. But yes, I mean, all some credit, some credit to Thunes. He did ask President Trump to unleash his

24:55war chest to help tax in out in Texas. Whether or not he's doing that because he thinks it's the right thing to do for the country. No. Or because he doesn't want to unleash the senatorial war chest. You know, someone can judge that. That's not me. Yeah. No. Well, it is me. I'm going to be a judge. He's still balless. And he's getting the no ball prize. You know, for all of his just great work on making sure that we don't have any shenanigans with voters and voter ID. So great job on that. All right. Let me take you. Let me take you now to, to Provo. One of the defense attorneys, the judge said the case can go to trial on every countless of a Charlie Kirk, his killer. And what the defense attorney said out loud with his wife sitting there is. And I want you to think what is the one word that sticks out to you? This is what he said, what everybody listening cameras on. It is true that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully of certain

26:01groups of people. Then he itemized it. You know, people whose gender identity doesn't conform, people who aren't, you know, strictly heterosexual people, you know, have sex outside of marriage. What word sticks out there? And I got it. I have to tell you Richard Novak, who is the, you know, the attorney. He's just making a motive argument. Okay. The state says Robinson killed Charlie because of his relationship with his roommate. Novak's point is that the prosecution has exactly one text message and nothing else, nothing on the phone, nothing on the computer, nothing in the apartment. And you can't build a motive out of a single sentence. That, that's a legitimate argument. And it's his job to make it. And the judge to be fair agreed with the standard at this stage is only reasonable. Okay. What's the word, however, that sticks out? Because he didn't build it that way. He could have said the state only has one, you know,

27:01text and nothing else. He said that too. But what else did he say? What word carried all the weight? Here it is. It is true that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully of certain groups of people. It is true. True. Not the state alleges. Not Mr. Robinson may have believed, but true stated as a finding on the record in front of the widow about a man who can't stand up and answer for himself in a proceeding where nobody is on the stand to test it. It is true. And you know what? This is such a scumbag move. It's the oldest move there is against a dead man. You don't say he deserved it. You say, well, killing him is explainable. And you put the reason in the victim's mouth and let the jury pool do the arithmetic on its own time because this is true. No, it is not. No, it is not.

28:08And you know what keeps us arguing with each other on people are on our own side. The loudest voices insisting that Tyler Robinson didn't do it are not on the left. Candace Owens. She has spent a year telling her audience he's innocent. Then what last month, month before she publicly offered her folder of material to his defense team. She says the federal government is lying about everything. She suggested people inside of turning point, including Charlie's widow is just, you know, perpetrating a cover up on this. She spent months pointing at Israel. And then in a live stream debate, in August, conceded, well, I can't really prove that I can't say Israel shot him. Okay, wait, what? Now, here's the real proof in this pudding. Robinson's own defense lawyers are not touching her file. They filed their motions without one word of what she had. In a court, they went out of their way to put distance between themselves and the theories. The men trying to save the defendant from

29:13the death sentence looked at all the material and went, yeah, there's nothing really there. Okay, that should end the conversation, but it won't because there will be people, people who will take this and it'll probably get in front of Candace and then she'll use it. I don't really care. I really don't care. You know, who cares? Because that was never about Charlie. And what I'm talking to you is about Charlie. It's about Charlie. Charlie, turning point, the president, the party, the coalition, every one of them have been a target ever since Charlie died. And from our side, in a movement that spends the next 14 months fighting itself over who really did it is a movement that doesn't really have to be beaten in November. It's being handled internally already. Not everybody involved are grifters. Okay. A lot of them are grieving. And a lot of people believe

30:21in, that don't believe institutions anymore. And I have to tell you, with good reason, I've spent years telling you not to, not to trust certain institutions. Some would good cause FBI. I think you've earned that. When you've been lied to enough times, they're lying to you about this to starts to feel like wisdom instead of the shortcut that it is, but it is a shortcut. A widow with her head in her hands is not a suspect. A father who called the police on his own son is not an actor. And just asking questions, stop being questions. The moment you offer to hand your file over to the man's defense. Are we ever going to wake up to see that there is actual evil in the world? And be able to spot it? Are we, are we ever going to be able to look at the same thing ever again and go, that's evil? Without somebody on our own side that we used to consider friends,

31:30looking at the same thing and going, no, you're evil. What? There is evil in this story. Some of it is on a rooftop. Some of it is in a lawyer telling a room full of people that hatred, that Charlie had hatred was true and that that hatred was a fair description of the dead man. And some of it's on our own side of the aisle, on our own platforms, being monetized while a family waits for a jury. We have to be able to start holding more than one thing at a time. There's three things, all those thoughts need to be held at once. And we have to do it. We have to do it or we don't make it. Let me tell you about what's happening in Boston. Into the fourth day, the jury in

32:36Plymouth sent the judge a note yesterday. They can't reach a decision, okay? There was a gasp in the courtroom, judge William Sullivan reminded the trial had run more than 80 witnesses, more than 300 exhibits and ask, you got to go back out, okay? You got to work, you got to work on this more. You can't just give up. They work six more hours and then ask to go home. They're more, this morning, they're back day five, 23 hours of deliberation on this case that took five weeks to try. Three children are dead. Korra was five. Dawson was three. Callan was eight months old. And their mother has never denied the killing. Now, everyone outside the room is now apparently an expert on what is happening inside. And let me tell you something, nobody knows anything. I don't know anything. Nobody knows anything. Stop going to these people who are telling you, I know exactly what's going. No, they don't. Are they in the room? Monday, the jurors came dressed up, collared shirts, one man in a tie, dresses. And there was one outlet that reported that two of the

33:41women were wearing pink. Now, that's what her supporters are wearing is pink. And that went everywhere. It was on X within an hour or so. That's proof. The jury is compromised. An NBC reporter who I don't know, NBC is not, you know, a truth teller in my book. But I don't know, might be telling the truth this time said there was no juror in pink. So we have an unverified observation assigned a motive that nobody can see, producing a verdict that nobody has heard. And that's where we are. We're reading clothing because clothing is all we're allowed to read right now. And where we're all getting wrong here is the shape of the question. It is not guilty or innocence. The jury has five choices. First degree, second degree, murder, manslaughter, which the judge added before the very end, before the case went back out, not guilty by lack of criminal responsibility. And not guilty. Okay, so a deadlock doesn't mean six people think she's a murderer and six

34:44thinks she's sick. It may mean that 12 people agree she was sick, but can't agree on how sick. And Massachusetts, the burden runs the other way for most of the country. The defense team doesn't have to prove she was insane. The Commonwealth has to prove she was criminally responsible beyond a reasonable doubt. One juror that can't get there, that's enough. Okay. You know how we used to do this because you're thinking this is a flawed system. You know how we used to do this? In September, in September, 1670, 356 years ago, this week, at the Old Bailey in London, that's our big courthouse, the Old Courthouse in London, the government had padlocked the Quaker Meeting House on Grace Church Street. So the Quakers gathered in the street outside and preached anyway, two men were arrested. One of them was 25 years old. The charge was unlawful assembly.

35:47And the jury came back and said the men had spoken in the street, but they wouldn't call the assembly unlawful. So the judge sent them back. Okay, they came back with the same answer. So he told them, you know what, no food, no water, no fire, no tobacco, you bring a verdict in this court will accept or you'll starve for it. Two nights locked in a room, no food, nothing. The young defendant, the 25 year old shouted across the courtroom to them, your Englishman, mind your privilege, give not away your right. One of the jurors, a man named Edward Bushel, called back, nor shall we ever do. It's pretty dramatic for 1670. Third morning, they came out not guilty. The judge find every one of them and sent them to prison until they paid. Bushel wouldn't pay. He, he filed for a habeas corpus from a cell. That November, the chief justice of the court of common police ruled that the jury cannot be punished for its verdict. That's,

36:49that's where it used to be. A judge may try to open a juror's eyes, but he can't lead him by the nose. The 25 year old that they refused to convict, he left England, he sailed west, he founded Pennsylvania. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were written in his city, named after him. By men who could meet there because 12 strangers went hungry for two nights rather than say a thing that they didn't believe. The man was William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania. So Massachusetts has a tool for a jury that won't move. Because before William Penn, it was starve them out until they come to a conclusion. Everywhere it's called the dynamite charge, it tells jurors that no future jury will be able to be better equipped than they are, that the evidence will never be clearer than it is. And it's desirable that this case be decided.

37:55Judge Sullivan hasn't read it yet, but he might today. That instruction is, is what you shall starve for it became. Same purpose, better manners. But there's a limit. He can send them back, but not more than twice unless they agree to it. And if they still can't agree, it's a mistrial. Now, mistrial is not an acquittal. I'll tell you what a mistrial actually means in a minute. First, let me tell you about cozy earth. Your bed should not require maintenance. You shouldn't have to wake up and discover the fitted sheet is escaped from the corner again. You know, you shouldn't have pillow cases that feel great for six months and then turn into sandpaper. And you definitely shouldn't be waking up hot because your bedding has become a midnight oven. This is why I love cozy earth. They make incredibly soft, breathable sheets and bedding that is designed to help you regulate temperature so you can stay cool and comfortable throughout the night. These aren't the kind of sheets that you buy and joy for a little while and then watch lowly surrender to time. cozy earth backs them all of their bedding with a 10 year warranty and, you know, against pilling in

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44:13the fusion of entertainment enlightenment and empowerment. This is the Glenn Beck program. You know, one of the biggest topics, probably one of the more important topics that we deal with right now are these data centers and you know how I feel both good and bad about AI. And I've been making the case that we need to negotiate and I understand if you are against these data centers, I understand, especially if you live in a rural community. And you're like, I don't want my community changing. I live here for a reason. I like being out in the middle of nowhere. I totally get it. But if you are a community dying town or whatever and you are not opposed to data center and I'm going to go through all of this, you need to negotiate. Instead of just saying no or just saying yes, negotiate, saying yes is just as bad as saying no without negotiation. So I want to give you green yellow and red lights on the data center. It's

45:19probably going to take me about an hour to go through this. So I'm going to take this hour and just talk about these data centers. What's true and what's not? And I'm going to give you the good, the bad and the ugly, the green, I'm going to start there. And that means yes, these things are true or mainly true and you need to pursue them all the way down to the red, which is this is an out and out lie. Don't believe that you're on you're in a wild goose chase. But the green, you don't really need to go past the green. If you want reasons to not be for data centers, you just look at the things on my list here that I'm going to start with from the green and go, okay, well, those are pretty bad, but there is a solution to all of them. But let me give you the truth and the lies, the good, bad and ugly of data centers in 60 seconds. First good ranchers, when something says made in America, you know what that means. Somebody made a choice to tell you where it came from. They made a choice to grow it here or to make it here. You pick up a package of ground beef in a store and that's, that's, that's harder to find. You don't find that right away.

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48:30prices are up 42% over the last five years in places with the heaviest data center concentration. It's much worse than that between March 21 and March 2026 average residential rates rose about 94% in Washington DC 74% in Maryland 73% in Maine 58% in New York. This is per federal energy information administration data. Okay, so here's the honest thing. Yes, the data centers are a driver, but they are not the driver. In a commission study by the firm E3 and I full disclosure paid for by the data center coalition, they found roughly half of the recent capacity price spike came from load growth, mostly data centers and roughly half came from power plant retirements. Now we know this because we told you this when Biden was doing it, you know it to be true. You

49:32cannot shut down power plants and then have the same demand and even increased and I told you at the time there's going to be increased demand. You can't have that without your your electricity rates rising. So yes, in some places data centers are driving that number, but they are a factor, not the factor. A bigger factor is that in some states, the power plants being shut down because of the green new deal. Okay, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 2026 report points out equipment costs, an aging grid, state clean energy mandates, as well as other additional causes. Now watch out for this number. You're going to hear people say near data centers say they're paying 2267 percent more. No, that figure is a wholesale price increase, not a residential bill. Okay, supply costs are

50:33only about 30 to 50 percent of what shows up in your bill, the rest of transmission, distribution and taxes. If you use the 267 number, you hear somebody use that 267 percent that's showing up on your bill. It's not showing up here, Bill. And you'll you're on very weak ground and you know if somebody says 267 percent my electricity bill, you know, they don't know what they're talking about. Okay, the strongest form of this argument, utilities got at least 700 gigawatts worth of new connection request in 2025 alone. The entire United States consumed 477 gigawatts in 2023. So whatever you think of AI, a demand shock that size does not get absorbed without somebody paying for a new generation, power plants and new wires. It is the only question here is who pays for it. And that's why I say negotiate. If you don't negotiate, they're going to be built elsewhere and

51:36then what's going to happen? You're going to get stuck with the bill. You need to negotiate for these things. Next one, they're going to stick the, they're going to stick their ratepayers with the bill for infrastructure. It's legitimate. And it's exactly what regulators are now scrambling to prevent and what you should be scrambling to prevent. The mechanism people that the people worry about is absolutely real. A utility build substations, the lines, the generation, the generation to serve one enormous customer, but they spread that cost across everybody. No, it's called cost shifting. And this is the central fight in energy regulation right now. You're not shifting that cost onto me. No, in fact, because the power lines are going to need to carry more power everywhere and it's the data center, I want you to pay for those power lines for the rest of the infrastructure.

52:39Okay. This, this is a fight that's actually being won in many places as of May 2026, according to the Edison Electric Institute, 23 states have approved at least one large load tariff. What's that? It's a separate rate class that requires giant customers to pay their own freight. Seven more pending right now. Texas past. What was it? SB six. Oregon is past the power act in August 25. Oklahoma passed the data center consumer rate pair protection act in 26. South Dakota, SB 135 in March. Virginia's GS five tariff requires large loads to cover 85% of transmission capacity cost during ramp up. June 2026, the FERC ordered grid operators nationwide to justify their large load rules or change them. So more than 300 data centers have are falling under these bills and they were filed over 30 states in the first six

53:48weeks of 2026 alone. So that is good. You need to know is your state part of those? I just read, if your state's not doing this, you're in trouble. You're in trouble. And the catch is the, and it's a real one, is that even Virginia, they had a cost allocation reform on the books and it's still saw the regulators approve $11.24 and monthly increase for the typical residential customer in 2026. A tariff will help, but it's not a force field. So you need to ask this, does my state have a large load tariff? If not, why is my county approving a project before my state has one? Okay, you've got to have that. Here's another one I had not heard, but it is disturbing. These data centers, the noise will be unbearable is the claim. And it's true and it is from what I read probably the most underrated impact of all of them. The cooling systems and the rooftop fans have to run 24 seven.

54:54That is a constant low frequency hum, not an occasional disturbance. The industrial diesel backup generators have measured at 85 decibels in the small and up to 100 to 105 decibels for large units. That's jackhammers or, you know, jet noise overhead. World Health Organization guideline for community noise is around 50 decibels and the generators are not purely theoretical. After a substation fire in Loudon County, Virginia, which they just did this, I mean, of course, this Loudon County, of course, they did this a foolish way. The data centers ran on backup diesel for multiple days straight. Residents said that it was continuous noise. There was diesel or odor and the complaints were flooding in and they couldn't do anything about it. Okay. Chronic noise exposure is associated with sleep disruption, elevator blood pressure, cardiovascular strain. With children, it's linked to reduce reading comprehension and learning. So

55:59the noise ordinance, and this is the one that almost always decides local cases. Noise ordinance written for traffic and lawn mowers use a rated decibels, which systematically under-measure exactly the low frequency hum a data center reproduces. You're looking for the low frequency. If your county's ordinance is DBA only, the facility can legally be compliant and make your bedroom or your house absolutely unlivable if you're living next to it. Okay. The backup generators are going to pollute our air as the next one. Yeah. Yeah. And it's documented and the numbers on that one are not small. Let me look at them. Diesel exhaust contains fine particulate matter and nitrogen oxides. The American Cancer Society links diesel exhaust to heart disease, lung disease and cancer. These are not fringe findings. Assuming actual emissions run at just 10% of what is permitted, researchers estimate the generators could contribute about 14,000 asthma symptom cases

57:02and 13 to 19 premature deaths per year with public health cost in the range of 220 to 300 million dollars a year. Separate concern because generators are permitted on annual limits. A facility can legally dump close to its entire year's allowance in just a few days during an outage. One researcher called that a health earthquake. Okay. Here's what you need to ask because there are these tier 4 emissions and I'm trying to think of where this tier 4 emissions was done. I think it was in Memphis and it's X X AI installed more than 30 gas turbines for daily operations at its colossus factory. Okay. So you need to ask are these what you're proposing to build in our community? Are these tier 4 emissions related? How many hours a year can they run? Is there any onsite primary generation proposed now or later? Okay. Next, this one kills me and I'm going to answer it because

58:09this one is this one is the craziest and it's it's actually true in some cases and I don't understand why other than you have really bad politicians. Here's the charge. They get enormous tax breaks and create almost no jobs. That's true. Now, why is that happening? I'll tell you here in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about our sponsor. Our sponsor is relief factor. You can change the oil in your car before the engine seizes. You replace the filter in your furnace before it stops working. Most of the things you depend on. You don't wait until something goes terribly wrong before you start taking care of them and yet when it comes to our own bodies, that's exactly what at least I do. I've taken relief factor for years. I started because I had terrible pain in my hands and Tony kept telling me to try it. I finally did and it convinced me because it stopped the pain. I noticed the difference. Relief factor is something you take every day and it will support your

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1:00:11Okay. High per scale campus takes 2400 to 5,000 workers to build. That's why the unions are now coming in and going. We need these jobs. Once it opens, however, it typically runs with somewhere between 25 and 50 permanent employees. Some estimates go to 200 for the largest sites. But the construction to permanent ratio is, you know, is not good either way. So here are the good jobs first. Good jobs has now tracked these subsidies for over a decade now. They examined 11 major data center deals. They found taxpayers paid an average of $1.9 million in incentives per permanent job. The worst single case, North Carolina, you can thank your politicians. They gave Apple $321 million in incentives for 50 permanent jobs. That's about 6.4 million per job. Good jobs first recommends

1:01:15capping the subsidies at $50,000 per job. I think that's insane. Why? Why? Why pay them anything? They are desperate. You should not be spending a single tax dollar on inviting these people in. They're desperate for places to build it. You should not, you fire your politicians if they're paying them to bring these things in. Your politicians will be saying, well, we'll consider it. How much how much are you going to pay us for it? Not we're going to pay you. No, no. Let's see. And this all comes down to negotiation. The difference in almost all of these things is negotiation. If you know what questions to ask and you are allowed to debate it and you come with a negotiating spirit, if you're coming just to shut it down and shout these facts, you're not going to get anything. And maybe that's your goal. And you have a very, very right to that.

1:02:18Next one. They're going to take my land for the power lines. Kind of true. Kind of true. Data center companies generally can't use eminent domain directly utilities can. So if utilities are building transmission lines whose primary purpose by their own accounting is serving these facilities, it's going to get dicey in Maryland. The 67 mile peen bond reliability project has landowners posting signs reading no eminent domain for corporate gain. This is really important. You can't you should be strengthening these laws because you want to make sure eminent domain is never a problem. Pennsylvania Farm Bureau 24,000 members voted unanimously to support a data center moratorium utilities in Georgia, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin are using threatening condemnation for these corridors. The legal question is now being tested. The fifth amendment allowing allows for the

1:03:20takings of public use and transmission lines have always qualified because utilities serve the public. Does that still hold when the line would exist for only one private customer? Um, Keel Overseas new London does anybody remember that? Red public use broadly, but 45 states passed reform laws after that to give landowners a stronger footing because that case was a nightmare. One farmer's line captures it. Most of his neighbors told him there's no amount of money that would make them want the lines on their ground. And that's true. I don't want those lines on my property either. So if that's the way you feel, that's a good reason. Nope, they're not coming here. That's why you have to make sure your state has passed these strengthening laws for eminent domain. Um, nobody will tell us who's actually behind this project. Both true and it's a process failure and it's worth being angry about. Um, they're moving through local approval under code names

1:04:26with nondisclosure agreements, you know, imposed on public officials and with unlimited owner undisclosed, undisclosed. Wait, I want to know who it is. I want to know exactly who it is. We have to ask the right questions. Uh, I'm going to give you a few more of these and then some of the ones that are absolutely false and then the questions and the point is you can set your mind against it and it's your right or you can say we need to negotiate. But one of the things you have to negotiate is for all of these things to make sure none of this happens in your community. None of this can happen in anybody's community and it all comes down to negotiation. All right, cozy, uh, cozy earth. There's a point with certain things where they, you know, they stop being available to the general public. You have the good towels that nobody's allowed to use that chair that has somehow become your chair. Damn, right. And if somebody in your family steals your favorite pillow, you will eventually get it back diplomatically if possible.

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1:06:43So I'm talking about data centers and the things that are true and not true about data centers. And I have to tell you doing my homework on this and doing research on this. There's a lot of stuff that is true about data centers that is really, really bad that you need to be aware of. If you're all four of them, you need to be aware. Now I remember I'm a guy who keeps getting yelled at because I'm just recklessly for data centers. No, I'm not. No, I am not. I am for negotiating. And unless you have values like and I think this is perfectly acceptable, we live out in the middle of nowhere for a reason. Our town likes our town being really, really small and we're perfectly fine with everything else. We'll fend for ourselves. If that's your county, I completely understand that. I live in a town like that. I live in a town like that and I get it. Okay. So there are reasonable things to be to say I don't want a data center. And there are some of these things that I told you just now I just gave you the worst of the worst. And I'm going to move

1:07:47into the yellow zone. I just gave you red like these things are true and they're bad and you must solve them before your town says yes because a lot of places that have already said yes, they weren't negotiating. And so now they're getting stuck with all of this bad stuff. You have to negotiate and know what you're getting into. And you can and it can turn out to be really good. And somebody just asked me Glenn, would you put a data center on your ranch? Well, my ranch is on the side of a mountain and it's in the middle of a national forest. So I don't think they could build one there in the first place. But honestly, if I had land that they that was big enough that they could build a data center on. Yeah, I would. I would. And here's why because I know let me rephrase it. Would I build it there? I would consider it. Not yes, I would. I would consider it because I would negotiate hardball. Do I want that sitting on my land? No. But if I could negotiate

1:08:48that I and my neighbors will never have property tax. We will have the best schools. We'll always have roads. And in my small town, I would say, you know what I'll put it here, but you generate generate free power for my whole town because it's not that big. You you generate free power. Everyone gets free power. Yeah, I'd do that. I'd put it on my land. I absolutely would. But it would become at a very high cost. So when you're saying not my not my neighborhood, well, yeah, I'd put it in mine. I would put it on my own land. But it's such a cost that it would be worth it. And that's why I'm saying you've got to negotiate. You may say, I'll never have it. And that's perfectly fine. But don't reject it out of hand over something that may or may not be true or can be negotiated away where you could benefit outrageously. The problem that you're hearing

1:09:52about some of these towns that have already built data centers. And now I'm starting to have this problem yet because your state most likely didn't negotiate your your local people, they probably did a tax abatement, the dumbest thing I've ever were going to give you free tax. You want to pay taxes if you build it here. Why would you do that? Bad politicians. So now some towns are paying for it in the worst way. Don't be one of those towns. Let me quickly because I'm going to post all these at Glenbeck.com. And they're all the good, bad, and the ugly about data centers. And most of them are ugly because that's what everybody's arguing about. So I want you to know what's true and what's not. And the ones that are true are worth examining. Tier two are the yellow ones. These are dependent strictly on each specific project because people negotiated or didn't negotiate. It'll drain our water. The honest answer is depends on the cooling system. And you have to ask which one. And I go into which one. Close loop, drooping, cooling, or evaporative cooling.

1:10:56You have to know which one. So data centers draining water. Yep, that's one design. The other one doesn't. Okay. And I give you all of the ins and outs on that. My well water went bad after they broke ground. This one is really, really hard because nobody really has evidence. You didn't check your water beforehand. So we don't have anything to measure it against. And this is not about the data center. This is about the construction. And there are a couple of towns that this is happened. And it looks to be really, really bad. But it's heavy earthwork. And that does happen. And if you have a shallow aquifer, it's going to push some of those that sediment down into your water. And that's bad. Okay. So you have to know that in advance. You have to have restrictions on everything that you can. You have to negotiate on everything. There's a bombshell investigation

1:11:57from Rolling Stone and the Food and Environment Reporting Network that talks about Moro County Amazon is using water that is already contaminated with industrial agricultural fertilizer runoff to cool down its ultra hot servers. When that contaminated water hits Amazon sizzling equipment, it partially evaporates. But all the nitrate pollution stays behind. That means the water leaving Amazon's data centers will be even more concentrated with pollutants than when it went in. And it looks to be true. But again, you have to know these things. It will take, it will tank my property value. Yeah. It's location, location, location. And I give you all of the reasons why and how far you have to be away from one, et cetera, et cetera. It'll be good for our schools. That's one thing. I don't, I can't say that's true. But it's not not true either. It depends on the negotiation. These are the things that you need to know will not hold up. Living near a data center

1:12:58will give me cancer from the radiation. No, no. Not true. The honest version of this, the EMF concern. In 2001, the WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer Classified ELF Magnetic feels as a possible carcinogen group to be. Do you know what also is a possible carcinogen to in category to be pickled vegetables and aloe vera. So could it give you cancer? Yes. So could aloe vera. So could eating pickled vegetables. It's waterless technology. He uses no water at all. That is, that's false. It's false. One AI question uses a whole bottle of water. That is also largely false. It used to be that way. It's not that way. The data center is a secret government

1:14:02surveillance facility. No. Not yet. They'll cause blackouts. My lights will go out overstated. But could be. And again, it's all in the negotiation. So let me take a quick break. And I'm going to come back and give you the questions you should be asking. You have a hearing in your town. Here are the questions you should be asking about the data centers that will get the right information. All of this, by the way, is going to be available at Glenbeck.com. We continue with just that last segment in here in just a second. First American financing. There is something profound about owning a home. In this country, owning a home, you have a piece of land, a front door, the belongs to you, a place where your family can build a life. You maintain it. You improve it. You pay for a month after month, year after year. And while you're doing that, you're building something very, very real. Equity. Right now, that equity may be the most powerful tool that you have in your financial toolbox.

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1:16:10Real people still matter. Glend back. Back in a moment. Glend back is on! So I am posting at Glend back.com, the good bad and the ugly, the truth about data centers, the things that we know are true, the things that we are dependent on, which direction things are going, and then things that are absolutely not true. And in the end, I've got about, what is it, 10, 12, 15 questions here. And I'm not going to go through all of them, but you have to know you have to know about the water source. You have to ask about the noise, the generators, on-site generation, the taxes that they're going to pay, the jobs, how many jobs, the grid costs, the contract term, the transmission, the setbacks, the baseline, the disclosure, the expansion.

1:17:11All of those things are what you need to know, and I have all of the questions that you need to ask. This leaves you, if you're a hard-known, the strongest ground you have is the noise and the diesel emissions and the subsidy per job, eminent domain for transmission lines, and the secrecy of the approval process. These are already documented and they win. Drop the radiation argument and all of that stuff because it's stupid. You don't need it. If you're unsure, the technology isn't viable for you and you're unsure that it should be there, what you need to find out is the variables. Two facilities, identical size, can produce opposite outcomes for a community, depending on the cooling, the design, the abatement systems, the setbacks, the noise limits, the wires, everything, everything. So that's why you need to be informed. If your family's experience is bad,

1:18:14it most likely is not the development agreement that's coming from the corporations. It's because your politicians did a really bad job on the development agreement. They missed everything. You need to insist that everything is in writing because there are some bad things that have happened already and it's because of I think bad politicians. They're giving the store away. And this is your right. You either do it or don't do it and I think there's good reasons not to do it and there's good reasons to do it. But if we're going to do it, can we make sure that it's not because it's Chinese propaganda? Can we do these things on real reasons in your community? Because most of this that you're seeing online, a lot of it is coming from China. It's propaganda made to look like it's coming from here. And look, if you still decide, no, I don't want it, that's fine. Just make sure you're not being convinced because of Chinese propaganda. Do your own

1:19:20homework because this is a really important thing we have to decide. And how America decides is how our future is going to be. And whatever America decides is what America decides. And it's everybody's right to decide one way or another. Now, speaking of that, we may not get a jury decision at all. And not because they are their hung, but because apparently yesterday, we just found out about 20 minutes ago, somebody was standing outside while the jury was coming out. And they had, I don't know, some videos are something about one of the jurors. And apparently, it appears as though this was a threat to one of the jurors. And it's coming from one of Clancy's fans. So a supporter of hers apparently was trying to affect the jury pool with threats. Now, that person is pleading not guilty.

1:20:24And she said, that's not what it is. I'm just a true crime junkie. Maybe. What does the post say about this? Because the post seem to have the clearest reporting on this, Jason. Give us a little bit, Glenn, to pull that up because I want to read directly from it. But we're getting here in just a little bit. Okay. Because this is just a breaking news story. Now, apparently this happened yesterday, but now it's just being reported. And what will happen is, if that is true, the judge could come out and say, you know, sorry, the jury's been tainted. Somebody felt threatened one way or another. And it could be a mistrial. It would be very, very bad, very bad. So it's par for the course in America. Do you have the story yet? Jason. Apparently not. Okay. We'll give you the story here in just a little while. It'll probably be in

1:21:26about a half an hour or so because I've got somebody coming up who is one of my favorite guests. I just absolutely love this guy. John Ronson. If you don't know who John Ronson is, he's a journalist. And he writes about weird stuff. I mean, he wrote about conspiracy theories long time ago. And what's true? What's not? And he goes and he investigates himself. And he always, I think, is shocked by what he finds. This one, he's just written a book called The Castle. And his job is to go out and go, what's wrong with men? Men are changing. And it's not a good thing. It's not healthy for society. What are the men in our society? Okay. Wait until you hear the journey he went on. It's a wild story. The name of the book is the castle. John Ronson is going to be with us here in just a second. Adventures in a world of unraveling men. It was released yesterday. And I've read that

1:22:30probably the first two or three chapters. And I had a hard time putting the book down. It's really, really good. So that's coming up. And then we'll also get into Jason. Do you have that headline? Yeah. So this is from the New York Post. And they're pulling from an interview or comments that she made from CT insider. And she said, and so they're saying that she is a crime junkie quote unquote and clancy supporter. She revealed an interview with CT insider. The New York Post had a few more details about she said when cops approached the light, she was adamant. She was filming jurors, but rather waiting to see if Lindsey Clancy would come out of the building. But when cops looked inside her phone, they found a video of jurors walking out in her deleted folder. Well, maybe she took them and then deleted them because she didn't want to keep them. I mean, this is going to be hard. It's going to be hard. Well, I mean, what is true

1:23:32anymore? Gosh, what is true anymore? More in just a second. John Ronson joins me next. The fusion of entertainment, enlightenment, and empowerment. This is the Glant Back program.

1:24:51John Ronson is one of my favorite authors. He has written multiple international bestselling books. He's a journalist. He's a filmmaker. His titles are so you've been publicly shamed an amazing book. The psychopath test and them adventures with extremists. Two of his books, Menu Starrick Ghosts and Frank have been adapted into feature-length films. His TED Talks of 30 million views. Plus, he is also the host and producer of multiple radio programs, Chart Topping Podcast. He's a regular contributor to this American life. And he lives in New York and he's joining us here in a second because he just came out with a book. They just started reading a couple of days ago. And I'm going to tell you, I'm bummed I'm as busy as I am because I got to get some sleep, man. And I started reading it and it is so crazy and it's about men, the unraveling of men. And it is, I don't know what the hell is happening. And that's what he went out to try to find out what is happening with

1:25:54men and can this unraveling be reversed? And he starts, he starts with the name of the book, The Castle. He starts into this crazy ass story. I'm going to have him tell you in just a second, you're going to love this. John Ronson is next in 60 seconds. Well, thank God Fall is almost here. We've had enough of walking outside and feeling like somebody opened the door of a pizza oven. Honestly, being in Texas, that's what you feel like. You're standing in a pizza oven. It's cooler in Africa. Anyway, give me the first cold night in open window, a cold bedroom and a warm bed, because I'll be able to sleep. My father used to say good sleeping weather. We lived in Seattle, we grew up in Seattle and it was always good sleeping weather in Seattle. Cold is the best sleeping. And that's where cozy earth really shines. Their bedding is incredibly soft, breathable. You can crawl into that wonderful, warm, comfortable bed without turning into a furnace in 15 minutes. The balance is everything. Cool room, comfortable bed, soft sheets. Maybe a nice heavy

1:26:56comforter when the temperature really starts to drop. Cozy earth makes that kind of bedding that actually makes you look forward to the first cold night of the year. Forget the summer heat. Give me the cold bedroom, cozy earth sheets, and eight hours where nobody needs anything from me. Head to cozy earth.com, use the promo code back for up to 20% off that's code back up to 20% off. Cozy earth.com, if you get the post purchase survey, make sure you mention you heard it here. Cozy earth on Glenn Beck's program. That's cozy earth.com promo code back. John always good to talk to you. This is a crazy book. It is right. It's a delight to be here. Thank you for that full sum introduction. And yes, this is a crazy ass story. Hey, you, you start in because this is your son. This is your only son, right? Yes. And your son calls you and says, hey, I think if you're not mistaken, he texts you a location and a picture of him in this location because he's like, just in case

1:27:58you need to find a body later, I'm a little concerned of where we've ended up. And so he tells you the story and you go and investigate and it's tell the story. This is the opening chapter. Tell the story. Okay, so this is a story that crashed unannounced into my life. I'm asleep and I wake up and it's the series of texts in my son. So I read the last text first. I guess I can't swear so I will paraphrase the last text. He was swearing in fear. He texted something like, it's okay. That was very frightening, but we left. I'm we're okay now. So then I frantically read all the other texts and it turns out that him and three friends have been invited to a party being held by a stranger that one of them had met earlier that week on Tinder. So they drive to the stranger's house. It's in the forest of Connecticut and they pull up. This guy's house is a massive newly built

1:28:59castle with towers and turrets way too many turrets. This would be ostentatious even by Caldracula standard. I looked it up, man. I saw it's crazy. It is nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Think, you know, think ostentatious gothic castle, but then like times that by 10. And it's in a normal neighborhood. If I'm not mistaken, you're driving down the road and it's generally normal and then this appears. It's like ranch home, ranch home, unbelievable castle, ranch home. And they get figured out why they can't sell the place, but anyway, I do. So they cross the drawbridge and enter the grand banqueting hall to discover that there's no party. There's just a small number of equally bewildered, looking young people standing awkwardly so the castle owner comes out and they say to him, I'm sorry, but where's the party? And he said,

1:30:01oh no, I've invited you here for another reason. I want you all to take part in my reality show. So they said, what's the name of your reality show? He said it's called 101 princesses. So they said, what's the core concept? He said, I'm the king. I'm looking for my queen. I've got 101 princesses to choose from. And then he said, go downstairs to my basement costume room. Put it on some princess costumes. He said this to the women in my son's party and then come back upstairs. So they went downstairs. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Did you have a, at this point, I'm looking in my son and saying, what the hell is wrong with you and your friends? This is when you turn around and you leave. What's happening? Definitely poor choice. And I was a sleeper, a oblivious while all of this happened. I was unable to help. Right, right, right. So I guess poor choice number one and not turning around when they got to the great eye and gaze. Right.

1:31:05Poor choice number two was going down to the basement. Right. The princesses. I've got to say that if they had turned around, I wouldn't have a book to write about. So it's recklessness in this game. And if I had to come as part of this story, I'll hopefully I'll get onto that in a second. So they go downstairs, the women put on princess outfits, they go back upstairs, videographer appears, filming begins, but they become, it becomes pretty clear pretty quickly that this isn't a real reality show. Partly, yeah, partly because the videographer was also had this other duty which was cutting up meat for the castle. And at this huge slab of meat, which is giving it pieces to the castle owner, no, no, no, no, the meat was offered to the princesses. So they were kicked out after they refused to participate in 101 princesses, but it's not a good idea to invite a journalist started. Fairness must have was the plus one, but still it's not a great idea to invite a journalist to your forbidden castle of mysteries.

1:32:11Right. By the way, he's leaving an awful lot of color out, but this is again just the first chapter. He in the same chapter, he now goes and is like, hey, dude, what's the deal? And this is when it really, again, first chapter when it really gets weird. Yes. So I go to the castle. By the way, I'm just out of hospital. I think part of the reason I went to the castle was because I just have major surgery and I thought, you know what, you know, I felt like life was passing me by like all, you know, I only have purpose in my life when I tell stories. So I felt death wants to go to this castle and you know, fill my life with story tellings. That's better than major surgery, which meant that I was like, every time I moved in the wrong way, it would tear my surgery scar and I'd like let out a shriek down his castle, curry doors like quasi-mode of it, not shed out. So I'm like walking around the castle, moving in the wrong way, kind of going, and asking him to explain what was going on. So he says a

1:33:16couple of unwise things about how he brings women to the castle and adapts them to his life style. And so on. Then he clearly regrets saying unwise things to a journalist because he gets out a piece of paper for me to sign and it's an NDA. So I say no. And so he puts the NDA back and I notice he has a whole pile of NDAs in his kitchen. So who else was he getting to sign them and why? So then I leave and he starts sending me very ominous messages. He says he's got to assume he has a team of investigators investigating everything about my life. He says he has two murderers on his payroll called Carlos and Brandon. And if I ever run, and then just start in prison killing someone, even he's afraid of Carlos and Brandon. And if I ever write anything negative about the castle, Carlos and Brandon will be very unhappy. And then you, well,

1:34:19you forgot one part in the chapter. You are called by a guest of friend of his who's not really a friend of his who's trying to solve things. Who's this older guy who's like, I just want to protect him. And you don't really know. I mean, John, you have, you've been to the Bohemian growth. Okay. You were like, this is all nonsense. And you go and you're watching it and you had to think yourself, this is crazy when you're watching it. You've done so many crazy things. What was going through your mind with this thing? You, I mean, this is one of the weirdest stories I've ever heard. And again, it's chapter one. Yeah. No, I was kind of freaking out. Because I've never had a death threat before. He did, he did temp it down the death threats after while I won't put you text me to say, if you take my murder friends out for dinner, I'll Venmo you the money. So he was suffering his threats at that point. But I was just thinking,

1:35:21what the hell is going on? And I started talking to some of the women who'd been to the castle. I pieced together the story. It seemed that this guy wanted to be Hugh Hefner at what is the worst moments in human history to be Hugh Hefner. You can't, you can't lord over your princesses in your castle. It's never really been a good thing to be Hugh Hefner. But this is the absolute you're right. The wrong time to try. Yeah. Because all the women just immediately spoke to me. You know, it was all, and you know, he was constantly getting thwarted by son and his friends would take part in 101 princesses. I heard he would like chase women around the castle for sex and would constantly be getting thwarted. So I just thought this is kind of funny actually. Like on one level, there's nothing immediately resonant about his story, being a story about the difficulties of learning women to harm in your castle and the post lead to age. But then I thought, you know,

1:36:25there's some weird resonances that he's a man out of time. He's a man who's finding out that he can't do the things that he used to do. And I thought, you know what, there's a lot of men like that. Now more sympathetic men, men. Yeah. Yeah, men who used to enjoy, you know, drive structure, a meeting from factory work or office work. And now all of those old structures are crumbling. Instead, they're being forced to become content creators because that's like the only option open to them. So I, so the book becomes about other stories about people out there while I continue to investigate life at the castle, which is very weird. Very weird. But you, you, you, you write about Greg Chisholm who was a top lawn care influencer on YouTube that, that even that world just fell apart and flew apart. Yeah, because he was chasing the algorithms like so many people do. He was the lawn care goat. He was, he was YouTube's first and greatest lawn care influencer. He would turn

1:37:26up at lawn care conventions and it was like reanna her turned up. People would like to go about God, it's criticism. But unfortunately, he decided to chase the algorithms more and more. YouTube were encouraging him to make more and more what they called WTF content. So he started bringing his young daughters into the videos and he was doing these skits with his young daughters and it just got weirder and weirder and weirder. All he was doing was following YouTube's incentive structure. But it ended up to cut a long story short with him and his two daughters doing skits, whether all dressed as babies and eating pacifiers. This is the kind of story that if you come to it at the end and you see a guy and his two daughters dressed as babies with pacifiers in their mouth, you're thinking what the hell. But what I love about this story is that I'm with him every step of the way and every decision he makes. You can disagree with some of them but they make perfect sense. But in following time, at the time, yeah. But in following YouTube's incentive structure, he ends up in this extreme

1:38:32place which ended up rooting his life. So that's then look at the sort of false promise of these new structures that men are trying to fill their lives. So I mean, we've gone from the Marboro man to a guy with his daughters dressed as a baby with pacifiers in his mouth. Thinking of the ballroom and by the way, I interviewed a guy. I interviewed a guy who specializes in playing doofuses and TV ads. I'm sure you've noticed that when you turn on the TV these days, the ads are full of men who can't do anything right and have to be constantly bailed out but they're exasperated wives. And I interviewed an actor who specializes in playing doofuses on TV. He's one of the only men in my book who's actually thriving. He said to me, he said to me that he had to do an advert for show, the insoles people. And he's walking down the street and he puts a very comfortable pair of insoles and then he starts galloping like a horse down the street and he had to look doofusy for that. So I said to him 50 years ago, you had the ballroom and big stoic and masculine

1:39:37on a horse and now you have to be the horse. And he was like, yeah. So I want to take a quick break and I want to come back. So what did you find? Is there any way to go back? What are the things that we need to be aware of as men? I mean, I think the story of the lawn care guy, just don't follow algorithm. Never chase the algorithm. It's it always ends badly. Don't chase the algorithm. But I'd love to hear what you because you you you started the investigation. If you're looking for a manosphere book, you know, or you know, a book about, you know, in cells or something, this is not the book. You focused on or not the guy at the beginning, ordinary people that just have found themselves lost. Yeah, a drift. Right. And I want to come back in a minute and get, you know, and some sort of perspective on this. What what did you learn through all of this? We'll do that in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about real estate agents. I trust they're very

1:40:40few things that are more dangerous than a man who has watched, you know, for YouTube videos. And suddenly he can rewire the house. He can rebuild the transmission. He's standing in the backyard with a chainsaw going, no, no, I know exactly where the street is going to fall. Okay, this is how the emergency room stays in business and is really, really super full. Thank you, YouTube. There are times when you really should use somebody that knows what they're doing and has an experience and buying or selling a home is one of those moments. It's why I started real estate agents. I trust. I wanted a way to connect you with experienced highly rated real estate agents in your area that has been carefully vetted. You know, your home is probably the largest financial transaction you'll ever make. You want somebody who knows the local market, who knows how to negotiate, knows what to watch for and actually has done it, you know, a time or two before. Confidence is a wonderful thing. Experience is better. Check out real estate agents. I trust.com. We'll show you how you can buy or sell a home, even in this tough market with a right real estate agent. The name says it all real estate

1:41:44agents. I trust.com. 10 seconds. Station ID. So did you find people who men who are channeling all of this? I don't know. Amtiness or whatever. And they've come into successful reinvention or go ahead. Well, yeah. I interview men who are making money being anti-work influences. And right now, you know, when I've been publicish day and ten years ago, the people with the power were on the left. And that's all changed since he longness took over X and the left fragmented into places like Blue Sky. And so I look at the anti-work influence world. And the influences would freely admit to me that every time they do a nuanced interview,

1:42:49they lose money. Every time they get somebody with extreme contents, they make money. So a little bit like my lawn care influence, I haven't addressed up as a baby because that's what the algorithm has told him to. The anti-work world, I think, could become more and more vociferous cultural warriors. And I think that is, you know, some culture was good, some culture was a bad, but basically what I see are these guys just sort of prodding away each other down here, fighting and fighting and fighting while the tech billionaires are getting richer and richer and are living off all of that. And so I part of my book is a kind of screed against succumbing to culture wars because that's not, that's because I don't like using words like anime, but the real anime, I think, of these billionaires who are prodding at our resentments and just making money out of it. I think the algorithm, anybody who is pushing the algorithms and they know exactly what they're doing, I think they're really bad people. So is there a way to reverse this? Is there a way, what advice do

1:43:52you have for our culture? Well, this is the crisis of structure and purpose. I went to the castle because I was just out of hospital and I was desperate for some purpose in my life. My castle owner was desperate for purpose in his life and that's why he was invited, one of these women to his castle to take part in his ski-v-fake reality show. So this is a crisis of purpose. A lot of people are losing their purpose in life. A lot of people are isolated, you know, the statistic is that there's more than seven million men in America who aren't already unemployed, they aren't even looking for jobs. They've just bowed out. So some people are responding to these changes by folding in on themselves and isolating others who are responding by lashing out in increasingly dis-enhibited ways. I think you see that at the extreme end of the anti-woke world and so on. And I think the solution to isolation and a lack of purpose is to go out, is to find structure in your life, is to find purpose, is to do

1:44:56good, is not to isolate and lose yourself down these algorithms because that just leads to horror. And we've also come between, you know, 39% of Americans now identify as content creators. This is such a huge cow. That is terrifying. John, thank you. John Ronson, the name of the book is the castle. John Ronson is the author and by the way, I know you're living in New York so I can say this, it's not hospital. I didn't go to hospital. I went to the hospital. You're in America now. Speak American. You're in America. John Ronson, the castle. Get it. All right, friend factor dogs have absolutely no respect for time. They don't care if you have a meeting in 10 minutes. They don't, they don't care. They don't care that it's 530 in the morning. If there's a ball, the ball should be thrown. If there's a walk, the walk should happen right now. You've gone, been gone for nine minutes. Your return is the, you know, event on the scale of the moon landing. It's just the way your dog is. That's what we love about them. They're completely relentlessly, relentlessly

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1:47:11Welcome to the Glenbeck program. I want to talk to you about something happened, something that happened last night. The house passed a resolution denouncing socialism, 200 to 20 to 192. But the vote that mattered came hours earlier and it was procedural. And almost nobody outside of the building noticed five Republicans angry about how their own leadership handled a shutdown deal voted against the rule. The house keeping measure that lets a bill reach the floor. Okay. The rule was going to fail. Then two Democrats voted for it. Jared golden a main Marie, I think it's Gleason camp Perez of Washington. 210 to 200 Nate. Now the Democratic leader. He put out a joint statement along with his whip in the caucus

1:48:16chair calling us calling this a significant breach of trust that necessitates serious responses and refer the two of them to the caucus rules committee. A congressman from California told Axios he loves it that they have to draw a bright line and kick some ass or this will become the new norm. So in other words, fall in line, fall in line. This is such a grotesque day in Washington. Understand what this punishment is for. This is not for the socialism vote. Golden and Gleason camp Perez, which was the weirdest damn hyphenated name I've ever heard, both say they voted for the rule because he carried a bill that golden wrote to protect main lobster men. She has fishermen in her district and golden is retiring a seat that he was never supposed to hold. He said he would it would be absurd for leadership to expect him to vote against his own bill. But you know what? It's happened before. The party has an argument. Rules,

1:49:18votes are team votes and both parties enforce that. Well, should they honestly. I'm so tired of this game. So the resolution was a messaging exercise with a Republican voter ID billed stapled to it, which is what most Democrats say they were voting against. A non-biting resolution that doesn't change one law in the country. They, I suspect they didn't want to be on the record half to vote against socialism. So all of that is true, however. And 192 members of Congress still could not find a way to say no to socialism. That's pretty amazing. Now put that next to what everybody in Washington already assumes about November. I assume it's not going to go well. Democrats need three seats to take the house. The generic ballot that's been running six or seven points their way has been running that way most of the summer. But it's generic. You know, when you actually have to look at people and

1:50:23when you say, you know, I want to change and I'd rather have a generic Democrat. You could go out there. But when you put a name in a face to it, you're like, not that one. I like the generic one. Okay. And that happens on both sides. The Senate is harder because, you know, the math is different, but it is on the table. And the reason is not socialism. Pew just asked voters in July what they would most want to hear about. And it was prices. People ask which party they trust on the economy and it's 37 to 36. So it's a coin flip. A coin flip is a catastrophe if you're in power. People are tired and they want normal. I read that from Ben Shapiro and he's right. They want normal. And I thought, oh my gosh, are we in trouble? Let me tell you a story. We've been here before. 1920, this country was wrung out in a way that makes us look coddled right now. A war that flew that killed more,

1:51:28you know, than the war strikes, bombs in the mail, riots, prices that were eating a paycheck alive. You know, socialism and progressivism gone wild. So a newspaper man from Ohio runs for president. He sits on the front porch in Marion in Marion and he let the country come to him and he gave him a word. And he said, look, here's what Americans are looking for. They're not looking for heroics right now. They're looking for healing. They're looking for normalcy. Now, everybody made fun of them at the time. They're like, you make it in that word up. There's no such word as normalcy. And there is, I mean, it's, you know, it's a math word, honestly. He said, I look it up. I looked it up in my dictionary and it's there and it is. Normalcy is not a political word. It's a math word. It shows up

1:52:31an dictionary of mathematics in 18, 1850s. And in geometry, normal is a line standing at a right angle. Normalcy meant the state of being square as in square. Latin root is means carpenters square. Okay. So the most famous political promise of the 20th century came out of a toolbox. Normalcy, it's a square. Okay. He won 60%. Biggest landslide anyone had ever seen. Okay. In that same November, nearly a million Americans, one voter in 30 cast a ballot for a socialist. And that socialist was sitting in federal prison in Atlanta serving 10 years for giving a speech. He couldn't campaign, you know, his campaign buttons had his convict number on them printed on the campaign, you know, same country, same election, largest landslide in American history for calm. And a million

1:53:33votes go for a man in prison denim. Here's what we need to take from this. Exhaustion is not moderation. And I think that's what we keep getting wrong. A tired country does not move to the center. It just moves away. And it moves away in any direction that's open. That's the problem. That's 2020. You're sick of the noise. You're sick of the politics. The back and forth, blah, blah, blah. So you voted in the quiet man in the basement. You know, I'm tired of all of this stuff. I just want I want normalcy. Just want to go back to normal. So you voted for the guy in the basement. You got mandates and closures in a school year that never came back. A border you didn't recognize. Then we were exhausted again. 2024. Same voters, same exhaustion, opposite

1:54:40door, because it was the open. And I fear it's going to be the same thing in 2026 unless something changes because they're not going for philosophy or ideology. They're going for rest. You know, when a man doing math in a grocery store, when he's doing the math in the grocery store, he's not being that's not propaganda. He's not being propagandized. Okay. He's doing math and his arithmetic is right. And no microphone, no propaganda beats arithmetic, not mine, not a cable news networks, not the president's. Nobody. You can be entirely right about the direction of the country and still lose to a receipt from the grocery store. And I think that's what's happening. What you can argue with is the assumption that the vote only registers the receipt. It doesn't.

1:55:45It doesn't. It hands over the calendar. It hands the gavils, the committees, the judges. And those who don't come back for two years and sometimes 20 years, because you're voting for normalcy just like you did with Joe Biden. And we all said that's not normal. And then we voted for normalcy with Donald Trump. And it hasn't been normal. I've liked it, but it hasn't been normal. Now you're going to do the same thing and you're going to vote for normalcy, which have you looked at the candidates their marks is that's not normal. You're not voting normal back in. Normal isn't a mood. You're got your voting in a program, the gender fights in your daughter's locker room, the masks and the closures and the men who told you six feet with science and then told you in

1:56:48meeting notes that were classified. No, that's not science at all. Dei written into the hiring of the company where your son just applied. That's what you're getting. That's not normal. A foreign policy where important decisions get made at a conference in Davos by people who have never stood for an election anywhere on the planet. That's not a warning about the future. It's a receipt from five years ago. And it's still in the drawer. Do you remember it? Do you remember it? In Republicans, you don't get a pass. Five Republicans nearly killed your own anti-socialism vote on Tuesday because you were angry about a shutdown of negotiation. You can't tell the country that the stakes are civilizational and then hold your own vote hostage over a scheduling grievance.

1:57:49Everybody's listening and they're listening to hear anyone who is saying what they actually believe. And then I'm listening to see, are they doing it? Are they still saying that behind closed doors? And that vote said, you don't. Harding was the president. He became president after saying they're voting for normalcy and they did. Normalcy came off a carpenter's square. But a square is not a place. You can't go back to a place and any man who promises you that he's going to take you back to that place is selling you something. And he's selling you something he doesn't have. Nobody does. Harding was dead in two years. His administration became synonymous for corruption. A square is a tool. You hold the work up against the square and you find out is that level and is

1:58:55that true. We have one. It's a few pages long and it starts with all men are created equal and endowed by their creator. The other square we have starts with we the people. That's our square. Nobody's holding it up to see if it's normal. If there's normalcy there, is it square? Is it true? Nobody's doing that. Every one of these fights, the resolution, the punishment, the vote in November is a piece of work. Someone is holding up to the light and telling you it looks straight to me. Looks straight. I know it because I feel it every day. God, I'd love to go back to normal. I don't even know what that is anymore. We're never going back there. We can't. We can't. And the reason we can't is because

1:59:57we won't get our square out and check to see what's true and what's not. More in a minute. Bernalaj, some decisions should not have to be made in half a second, but that's exactly what can happen when somebody threatens you or your family. Your heart is pounding, adrenaline is flooding your system and whatever you decide to do next may change a life forever. Maybe your life too. That's an enormous way to put on a single moment. That's why I think Bernalaj is such an important option. Bernalaj makes powerful, less lethal launchers. These are designed to stop a threat from a distance without firing a bullet. It looks and handles like a firearm, but they fire kinetic chemical irritant projectiles. It can give you some time and distance that you need to get away and get some help. They're legal in all 50 states. They don't require any background check. No permit. You can purchase them online. More than 750,000 have already been

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2:02:06Should we start with what's happening in Canada? We have been asked to lay off the memes as Americans. And I know whenever you ask somebody, you know, a whole society that just loves to do memes, that mainly that's like 40% of everybody's life is just either creating or looking at memes. Yeah, I know that's exactly what we're going to do. So, Karne gets up in front of the Canadians yesterday and he says this. And when the Americans stop doing memes, stop. Throwing shade, stop trying to be tough and start being serious about having those discussions. We can have those discussions, but it's not constructive. As Jason pointed out a minute ago, that's not the actual, can you get the actual video? Please. The actual video is not that one. That isn't that the altered video?

2:03:08Do we have that one, Matt? Are they in start being serious about having those discussions? We can have those discussions, but it's not constructive, but that's not the final. It got Donald Trump standing behind him with a pipe doing, you know, my heart will go on. I mean, the memes were relentless yesterday, relentless. And I don't think relentless enough. Yeah, show the one with the man, China. It shows, it shows Karne a cartoon Karne in the jury box. And it says show me where these memes hurt. And he says he's pointing to this doll. And he's like right here in my man, China. Oh, Gully. It's childish. Stop with the memes. And you know, when I say, when I say Karne, I don't know. See, that's that's what I don't want. There's no reason to play the Chinese Gong every time I say, Prime Minister, you either need an app to say it that time.

2:04:11Psychic. Sarah is a psychic. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Stay safe and make God save the Republic.