Just another PodCon, or is PM SXSW the Industry Leading Event?

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I wanted to bring to you today a conversation I had with Chad Perisman from Addercommunications.com.

He went and attended podcast movement South by Southwest, which is the new type of experience

being run, well, it's still run by the podcast movement people, but now it's being overseen

by sounds profitable.

If you don't only think about that, don't worry, it's just that the experience has changed

and I think we need to understand that it is a change for the industry too, an industry

for the better.

We'll talk a little bit more about that specifically towards the end, but I wanted to get a sense

for if I'm going to go to a podcom, like the new podcast movement South by Southwest, what

do I need to expect?

Who is there?

What were they doing?

What was the experience like?

And so that's why I want to bring to you today.

So let's go into this conversation I had with Chad Perisman.

Chad, I appreciate you joining me to have a conversation about your experience at pod

guest movement.

This was the South by Southwest podcast movement in March of 2026.

Yes, yeah, yeah, so just a couple weeks ago from when we're chatting.

Let me phrase this or stage this for the person who usually goes to these conferences

because we've got podcast movement pod fest.

Now there's empowered podcasting.

There's some other pod centric conferences running in the States plus the pod show and

a bunch of others overseas, a bunch of other ones overseas now.

When I go to these conferences, I'm going not as a creator, I'm going as a service provider.

Is that how you typically plan on going to these events is to learn for yourself, but

also to maybe network and find clients, things like that?

Yeah, I think find clients, find partners.

For me, my experience is much more being the top of mind guy when someone asks them about

podcasting.

So I would say the majority of my business comes from other people that I've worked with

or other people that are service providers in maybe adjacent fields that hear from someone

where it's like, oh, you want to talk to someone about a podcast?

Like I got a guy for you.

You should talk to my friend Chad.

So I think for me, it's not always the direct.

I meet someone I work on to show for them.

It's the, I meet someone else who's also doing something complimentary or even is just

like, oh, it's a health podcast like you should go talk to Chad.

He knows the health space, you know, more than me or something like that.

So I think referrals more than direct context, but yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely

that.

I mean, that helps me justify the cost, which this was an expensive trip.

Let's get back to that later.

Yeah.

So you go to be seen, we'll say that to be seen to collaborate with people in person,

to meet people in person, they get to know you, you get to know them.

So these are partnerships, strategic partnerships that can form in the hallways, which is my

favorite place to be at a conference is in the hallways.

Did you do anything different this year to prepare for this new experience of self by

self?

Well, here, let's explain, first of all, what the difference is between, because I know

you, I met you at a podcast movement, what, 22, between one, maybe.

So you've been going to podcast movement.

How does that differ from this experience at self by Southwest?

I've been going to the main podcast movement, which typically has been taking place

like late summer, early fall.

This is the event that is replacing what used to be podcast movement evolutions.

And this is taking place during self by Southwest.

So this was the long and so even over the last couple of years, right, podcast movement

evolutions was going on with that team.

Meanwhile, the sounds profitable guys have been doing some content at South by for the

last couple of years as well.

I think it started as like one day of like partner programming and they expanded it last

year.

They had like two or three days of business of podcast, kind of content going on.

It was actually next to like the box media stage.

So this has been an evolution.

And then I think a lot of folks know those two teams kind of joined together, right?

They announced that it last year's big podcast movement.

And so this year they did three days of programming.

It was kind of offsite at a dedicated space.

I'd say a couple of blocks away from maybe like the main action of the rest of South by

Southwest and the difference between South by or maybe other conferences people are used

to going to.

It takes place all across Austin.

So I think it was probably in like eight different hotels plus there were these clubhouses,

plus a bunch of movie theaters for the for the film piece plus it takes place in bars

and nightclubs for the music right.

So this is something that's happening all across Austin podcast movement with the sounds

profitable guys now kind of running it was this kind of three day.

It started at 8 a.m. with breakfast tacos and coffee.

And then I think every night there was some type of also event.

There were some live podcasts.

There were awards given out on the last night.

So you know, these were probably if you wanted to spend the whole day there, probably 14

hour days at this dedicated event space that they had four evolutions.

And the tickets were free.

You still had to get to Austin, you had to get to be there as long as they had a seat open

you could sit there.

Yes.

If you had a South by badge, they said you were kind of given priority.

I was never there where capacity was an issue.

And was this venue we all think about the conference rooms with the screen in the back

and the lights shining right down the screen.

So it just dilutes the whole image that's trying to show what was the event venue like?

This was a we've seen this I think with a couple of events that this was like one big

open space.

If you think about a rectangle on one side, it did have a stage and there were I think

maybe let's say eight to 10 rows of chairs in front of the stage.

That went to maybe half of the room.

And then the back half of the room was actually these kind of high top square tables where

a bunch of sponsors were kind of camped out.

And so what they did was what we've seen a lot of these conferences now doing they had

those kind of silent DJ, you know, like the radio frequency headsets.

So if you wanted to sit there and really pay attention to what was going on on stage

and there was a lot of chatter going on in the rest of the room, you could put one of

those on and really get good quality audio of what was being discussed on stage.

And there was everything from solo presentations, slide presentations to a bunch of round

tables, like panels, you know, people kind of having discussions on there.

And then outdoors because it was whether it can be unpredictable in Austin doing this,

but it was fairly nice.

There was an outdoor area where they had, you know, a couple of cocktail tables and stuff

like that.

You can go out.

They also had a video podcast set up for all three days that I know they were recording

content.

And I believe some of the sounds, profitable partners were also going there throughout

the day to kind of record bits shows, you know, kind of whatever was needed.

I pretty much always saw someone using that facility as well.

Sounds like a completely different experience than totally different than just one track

type of thing.

But then you had all the vendors around.

Did you actually talk to any of the vendors and did you find them?

Because I love talking to the vendors and I learned stuff every time.

Did you learn anything new or find anything exciting?

I didn't want to say anything new.

They were there.

They were available.

They were not.

I didn't see any of them kind of being pushy or, you know, anything that you would have

normally seen in like an exhibitor hall or, you know, there was no like go around and

get your digital stamp and, you know, be entered to win, right?

Like we see it at a lot of conferences that encourage you.

I mean, we're talking probably at the most, maybe there were a dozen tables there, like

10 to 12.

Some of them had like pens or some, you know, some other giveaways.

But you know, that wasn't really the case.

I would also say, you know, there might have been one or two people for each of the folks

that were back there.

Sometimes they were also out and about talking with folks.

So it wasn't like there were just always staff there.

You know, I, there were a couple of folks that I talked to that just happened to be, you

know, people were by their table.

They joined in the conversation.

I didn't necessarily go seeking out kind of anyone that was there to have a specific

conversation with a vendor.

Did it feel like the vendors or that other people were still trying to figure this new

thing out?

Yeah, I think everybody was, you know, the larger South by Southwest event was very different

than the year this year than in years past.

And then obviously this being three days of your podcast specific programming, but it wasn't

like, you know, day one was the creator track.

Day two was the technical right.

It was a mix of things kind of throughout the day.

And I think my, my guess is they're planning around that was they knew people would be coming

and going, I think there were definitely people that kind of camped out there all day.

But I would expect for the most part, people were kind of in and out for a specific session

or I'm going to go for the morning and then I'm going to head out to Austin for the rest.

Maybe I'll come back at, you know, for the events at night, that type of thing.

So you go to Southwest, you've been going for many years, it's just this is now there's

a sound profitable podcast movement event at one of the local's.

You go there because of the credibility and the networking and, you know, to be seen.

And that just builds credibility and impossible work opportunities in the future.

You never know who you're going to meet in the hallways.

So now that you've gone there and, you know, so you go with your business cards or whatever

you go with the show up and, you know, if you happen to meet somebody, a hand one, are

you going to do anything differently if you go again next year or if you chosen just

not to go again next year?

I mean, like, so I've been going to South by for a while.

I will, I will most likely go to South by Southwest again.

I would make the podcast movement piece a priority.

I think this being the first one.

I was, and again, because they've done some other events, I think they had a little bit

of a leg up, but I think as the first time podcast moving itself, I was pleasantly surprised

with how well organized, how well run it was.

For the most part, the quality of the speakers, you know, we talked, I posted in the Facebook

or Apple was there, Apple rarely comes out to these types of things.

They made some announcements around HLS, they kind of demoed it, they, so kudos to them

for actually getting, you know, and I think that this is what, what the desired effect

of those two companies merging, right, and kind of taking this maybe a little bit more

seriously than it has been in the past was to get some of these major players, right?

You did have folks from Spotify there, you had, you know, you had, it wasn't just, you

know, people from, you're running some of your top favorite indie shows, right?

And then, you know, at the award show on Sunday night, again, they had folks from pretty,

you know, some of the, like, top 50 podcasts were also there, again, I would expect that

they were, they happened to be in town or they had a reason to come because of the larger

or South by Southwest festival going on, I think it is much easier to get people to come

to Austin because there's all this other stuff and a lot of other people I met throughout

the week had the same type of, had the same type of thing, particularly the creators that

I met, I would say most of them were local. And if they weren't local, they were there

because maybe they were on a panel or they were speaking or they were in for some other

event. I met folks that were there because like their, their sponsor flew them at, like,

one of their bigger sponsors was doing like a dinner with, you know, their, the top 10

creators in their network, right? So like, you kind of, everyone's drafting off of,

off of each other. So for that reason alone, I, I would, I would go for kind of my needs

and I'm planning on going definitely for next year. And then also, you know, they've got

this September event in New York City as well.

This does sound more like what everybody was describing. Abolutions as was more corporate,

more businessy. But I think podcasting and the podcast industry needs that, that industry

conference, this might really be that they've just raised the bar with it at least and made

it kind of cool too. I have no idea what the one in September. I think the one in New

York, yes, September is going to be like, if it's going to be any different of a setup,

it's going to be New York. It's going to continue to be in New York every year. So that's interesting

there. You know, they're putting their, their flag in the, in the ground saying, this is

where it's going to be. And that's going to be very great for international folks. You

know, we've been looking at conferences as being creator conferences. I think for one,

the economics say it needs to be a business conference. Yes. And I think what they've announced

for New York is there's kind of this like two day business summit. And there's the IAB

up front. And then they're having the more traditional podcast movement that I think

will probably be more creator focused as like the last two days. So there, it's a little

bit of like something for everyone, like no matter where you sit in the ecosystem, you

can probably find a place, a place to be during, during that event. And I think, you know,

I expect that by the time we get around to evolution's next spring, it'll be the same

type of thing of, you know, again, you know, not dedicated by day as much. But like if,

if you are interested in the business of podcasting and not just, I hang out with my friend,

you know, to write and there's a lot of valid reasons to like, I want to record a podcast

with my friend once a week. But if you are like us, where your service provider or you

are want to take it to the next level or you are an advertiser, you are in the ad sales

piece for a network, or you are a developer, I think that like you're going to want to

be back at this event kind of come next spring, even if only you're picking up a couple

of things throughout the days, they're, you're going to find other reasons to be there.

When you posted that photo, the screenshot of the other host media hosts that we're going

to be supporting the Apple HLS announcement, I'm like, oh, Chad's there. He's, he's sitting

in the front row of this Apple event. This is the first time Apple has ever done a presentation

at a podcon in the United States. I know they did the pod show last year. Okay. I mean,

I have met Apple people at like podcast movement. I think it was Orlando 2018 or something

that I know they are there. They just never got involved with the presentations. And here

they are. It was probably one of the highlights of the whole trip, wasn't it? Yeah. I mean,

I was not camped out there all three days, but I will say it was the slickest and most prepared

presentation. Yeah. Like I would expect nothing less from Apple. It was, yeah, it was well done.

They were well rehearsed. It was smooth to the point that they actually finished earlier

than their time allotment. They did not take live questions from audience, but the two

folks from Apple were around, you know, for at least probably like the next hour or so. So

people who could go and talk with them if they had questions, things like that. Yeah. YouTube

was there. Like I said, Spotify, you know, some of the major folks representing some of the

major networks, some pretty big shows were there. So yeah, they did a good job of getting,

I think the right mix of people in the room. I know we were talking about earlier, you know,

from a podcast editors, right? Like that's a big question, right? Oh, if you are an editor,

is it worth going? Right. I think that's probably the question that we want to get at. I think if

you are an editor that wants to be exposed to other parts of the ecosystem, other parts of

podcasting as a business, if you are looking to expand your offerings beyond just audio editing

services, I think you, I think it is worthwhile to go to these types of things just to be exposed

and kind of, you know, take it all in. If you are just focused on, I've got my business, I'm

looking to grow it. I want to get client, you know, my biggest thing is like top of funnel,

getting clients, I don't know that this is probably the right thing for you then. I think you're

probably better off at maybe a creator event. Maybe I know you go to like FinCon every year. I'd

love to hear from you. Like when you prep or when you think about the value of podcast movement,

podcast versus FinCon in your brain, how do you think about those things distinctly? Well, FinCon

is definitely where I get my clients where podcast movement pod fast is more of the kind of like

what we're saying earlier, I keep saying this phrase, but to be seen, there is a credibility

builder when you meet people face to face or are seen at a conference like that, especially if

you're speaking. So speaking of podcast movement and pod fest, those things were huge credibility

builders for me with the people in the FinCon community who are familiar with podcast movement

pod fest and the other conferences that I go to, they know that I am not just

ape, I hate to say that, not just quote unquote just a podcast editor, they know that I am

fully engrossed in this industry and trying to remain well versed on, I mean, the Apple HLS

video thing. I mean, it's a it's a big deal even though it's not a very big deal that I need to

understand so that it can advise my clients and others, you know, what to do if they choose to go

that way and what they're what they're in for if they go that direction. Yeah, you've spoken

about at fit, you speak at FinCon as well. Yes, yes, and G15. That's a long time. But you also come

like your career pre podcast editing was also in like financial services though, right?

Right. Long story short is I started a blog in 2007 about personal finance, then a podcast

2010 and it started meeting virtually, you know, these other people like me who were writing blogs

on Twitter as I mean, no, I'm a Twitter. And they heard about this conference called FinCon that

I couldn't go to in 2011. So I went in 2012, fell in love with it, fell in love with the community.

And then from there, I was one of the very few podcasters. They thought I was, you know,

there's a blogger with the podcast is basically how you they looked at me. And it's just exploded

into a career a few years later. So I'd already been part of that community. So I still go because of

my friends are there. The type of content that I really enjoy is there. And so if I'm going to be

editing for people, those are the type of people I want because I really enjoy the content myself.

Yeah, totally, totally makes sense. And my guess is you've probably gotten like direct work,

you know, clients from FinCon, whereas podcast, podcast movement is more of the it's a referral.

Maybe it's six months later. Oh, hey, I came across your video about so and so, you know,

would love to chat type of thing. Is that I mean, that's the assumption on my part. Is that

probably correct? Yeah, that's mostly correct. Yeah. Because I know so much of the industry,

I mean, I've been in it since 2010. Then I feel like there's a wealth of knowledge there that can

be shared with people. So if I can do it in the hallways, they are great. It builds my community,

my network. I mean, how many times have I been able to walk up to a vendor at a booth of a service

that I use or other people use? And I can just go, Hey, Rob Walsh, how are you today? How's your son?

How's he did in college and stuff like that? We can have those personal conversations. And so

like you, you know, top of mind awareness type of thing, I see somebody and they remember me.

That's it's always good for business. And it's also great for relationships and the industry

out as a whole. Yeah, absolutely. I think, yeah, you and I are cut from a similar cloth where we

are fairly outgoing. I think if you if you're an editor that fits that mold and you want to

grow beyond just editing and to your put, you know, help with launch strategy, help with

marketing strategy, help with evolution of a show. These types of events, I think are becoming

much more important to meet the right people to have the right conversations, whether that is

over a breakfast taco or a late night drink or that is actually seeing a panel of people, you know,

that are your peers discussing this life on live on stage. I do know that they recorded everything

for for the evolutions. I'm sure at some point people will be able to watch some of this,

but some of that stuff might or even be outdated by the time it gets up on mine.

True. That's a good point. I remember last year after the announcement that South that South

that sounds profitable was acquired or merged or whatever the words that basically I think they

bought them, but that's fine by me. I'm happy with the arrangement, but they did take all the

recordings. Most of them in the video, some didn't have the video, but they put them on YouTube.

For anybody, there's no subscription or paid ticket to get to the replay. So if they do that with

all of these, then I guess that does negate my next question that you don't have to share the

exact numbers with, but I want to know what the cost was compared to other conferences.

Can you share about how much it costs to go to South by Southwest podcast movement?

Yeah, I mean, this is where it is. You can say more. I mean, I actually don't mind. I got a

South by Southwest platinum badge, which lets you get into film and interactive and music and

some other thing that you can make reservations for earlier than other people. There were some

pluses. I bought that a year ahead of time, and that was $1,100 just for the past. This year,

they've raised it to just over $1,200. That's the pre, that's the early bird price. I believe

the walk-up price. You do not need that to go through. You don't need that past to go to

podcast movement. Correct. Just all the other things that are involved. Just all of the other

things that were involved. I chose to stay at a downtown Austin hotel at a residence in,

in America. Again, I've been going for years. That hotel was, I believe, about $240 a night,

but average. Because of where this was, you probably could have stayed outside of Austin and maybe

gotten a cheaper hotel. My expectation is, if you just wanted to come in just for podcast movement

and maybe experience some of the free stuff going on, because again, there's all kinds of

activations. There's a ton of other stuff going on around Austin. You could probably get away

for it for under $2,000. Again, depending on where you're flying in from, I think my airfare

from the East Coast, I bought it five, six months ahead of time. I think I paid around $400

to get out there. Could you get away for this for $12,500? Probably. If you really wanted to,

I don't know that you could get it for under $1,000. Unless you have a friend that lives in Austin

and you're going to crash with them, or you're splitting a hotel with, yeah, I mean, if you really

needed to save money. For me, this is probably the one big travel business expense I have for a year.

So I probably, all in, I probably spent more like four grand. But again, I was there for a week,

took client, people that had been clients out to dinner. You can spend kind of as little or as

much as you as you want to. I did not document my, my, my cost for the week. Not that I have a

problem with it, but I just, you know, again, I've been going for a long time. So other people

picked up dinners for me. You know, there's a little bit of, you know, I go for lots of other

reasons beyond just the podcasting events. That said, there were some prominent podcast sessions

featured in the, in the official Southby. There was an actual podcasters meetup. There was a

creators meetup. And then again, depending on your topic or, you know, if you have a specialty,

let's say there may have been, so there, there was three days of health programming. So for me,

I spent just as much time going to some of the health programming as I did going to podcast

moving itself. Because that's the niche you want to serve. That's the niche that I mostly serve

right now. And that I want to kind of continue to, to super serve. I met more people that were

potential guests for shows that I produce. Yeah. Again, that was another value for me was

meeting some of these people face to face saying, hey, could this be good for this show or that show?

And then bringing that back to my hosts and the people that are, that are working on those shows.

What do your existing clients think about that then? I mean, hey, Chad's out there,

he's getting us guests for our show. He's at this big event. Wow. I mean, that's again,

credibility builder, value builder, expensive, but that might just be worth it. Because you are

really now the ace that they've got there. That's in their podcast production. That's what I'm hoping.

And again, you know, I'm more of a full service soup to not, you know, I have clients where I'm

helping, right? Discussion guides. I'm helping them do research to find new guests. Again, you know,

if you want to, if you want to broaden your kind of services offered, I think this is a great

place to do it. If you're going to, if you want to stay focused and kind of, you know, you're happy

with your workflow and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it really depends where you are. There's

a larger conversation to have of like how much other services should podcast editors be having

probably outside of this. Maybe that's for an upcoming episode that you want to have with,

with some other folks. And again, you know, at Southby, you could have also gone to a hundred different

AI vents and speeches, right? There's also Southby Southwest EDU, which took place like three days

before. And that's mostly teachers higher ed. So again, if that's an area, maybe that you super

serve, it might make more sense for you to get there early and end with podcast movement. I also

saw a lot of folks from the podcast industry on LinkedIn posting, you know, that it was their first

time going, their first time in Austin, things like that. And talking with them, they were also a bit

drinking from the fire hose of like, well, there's so much else going on. I was not prepared

for that. But I think they got what they needed out of just going to podcast movement from the

folks that I that I talked to. You went because you've been going to Southby for years. You went

because podcast movements and sounds profitable now do this event together there. But there's

got to be other industry conferences that you attend for that niche that you're trying to serve.

Is there a big one like, like for me, it's FinCon? Are there others like that for you that you'll

be going to? There, there hasn't been as of yet. There are some really big health conferences.

I have been reluctant to go because there most of them are, you know, it is a lot of agency folks

or a lot of physicians or hospitals. You know, as you can imagine, health care, right? You could go to,

there's probably three just on college conferences, you know, that you could go to. I don't know if people

are really in the right frame of mind to want to talk to someone like me at a conference like that.

So I've not gone to like a holy just health industry focused conference. Since I've been, you know,

I used to go when I worked in that space, I haven't gone as, you know, the owner of a podcast

agency, but that might change this year. For me, if I'm trying to get maybe like my clients

to potentially speak or to host a live podcast taping or something like that at one of these events

and that would be kind of the little nudge to like get me to go to maybe invest and see if it's

worthwhile going to the whole thing. But I still need a hook to go from my point of view.

Interesting. Because I would think that would be even more important than attending

the podcast movement sessions while you're at South by Southwest because that's your industry.

But you're saying that's not the mindset they'd be in to meet somebody who's an expert in

this media that gets people, you know, in people's ears on their phones or on YouTube, things like that.

Yeah, I just, I want to be the guy that like three months from now when they've been on a bunch

of podcasts and they're like, hey, I wonder what it would take for me to launch my own or, you know,

for my company, again, most of the folks that I work with are brands. So it would be more like

meeting the right marketing person, meeting the comms person, you know, something like that.

And I don't know if they're those, the folks that are making those decisions are initially at

some of these other specific conferences. Whereas again, I was happy to go to the health track.

And there I was, you know, sitting next to folks in the industry. I was going up to speakers

afterwards, being like, hey, do you know? So it's right. Work with some kind of prominent folks

in the field. Oh, I produce XYZ's podcast. Oh, I know him. Yeah, I'd love to be on. I'm also

thinking about doing my own. Here's my person. You should talk to her and see if, you know,

if there's something there, we'd love, you know, yeah, to get it. Like, and that's that's something

that happens to me often. And then did happen to me in Austin was, you know, a prominent like

influencer doctor was like, hey, yeah, I'm here because I'm thinking of starting my own podcast.

I've been on a couple of them. And I just kind of want to dunk myself in and learn more about

the industry before I decide to go all in on it. And that's when I'm, goes back to I think the

podcast editors group call last week of, do you just have that kind of initial, you know, right

sizing fit call with them or their people. And that's what I'm hoping to have.

Excellent. Longer looks at about this change with podcast movement. And I'm really excited to

see that I think they're going to be the gem that everybody looks at and says, this is an industry

conference. Although I'm looking at the ones coming up and, you know, they're all over the place

now. I'm seeing them in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, England. Lots of great events that people

go to, but even like empowered podcasting would be an interesting one to go to. Although it's 150 to

200 people and it's in Charlotte, but you've got some big name people showing up there. They were

there last year. They were there before and it just keeps growing. So those might be, but it only

have to be a pod kind like, like I was saying, for me, it's fincon for you. It could be one of these

health centric type of events or local meetups where you do meet podcasters from every nation,

genre, but the ideal client's going to be ones that are in your niche. Yes, for sure. And if

you're not, you know, I think people should be looking. I know like there's someone that is

organizing a New Jersey podcasters meetup this week or next week. I would give a shout out to

there's a newsletter sub stack called breakfast clubbing. It's kind of a mixture between like

fight club and breakfast. It was started by this guy in Brooklyn, but there are breakfast clubs

kind of popping up all across the US and international. There was a breakfast club meetup

at South by Southwest as well, like the person that runs the LA and Sydney and Brooklyn ones were

there and there were probably 25 folks that showed up to that on a Sunday morning in Austin.

I think it's the, do you want to be the podcast person at the creative event or do you want to be,

you know, immerse yourself in podcasting? I think the answer is probably both, but I would

suggest for folks that just want to meet other creatives or other people that are kind of like

minded that are not necessarily the podcast person. I think they should be looking at other events

like local events like that as well and helping to build out a strong creator class like in whatever

town in city you live in. Yeah. Again, being seen and seeing other people. Yes. The best work that I

get is the referral from someone that's like, Hey, I met this person and they mentioned they

want to podcast. And I said they should talk to you. And that happens all the time for me. I get

people who email me and they say, Hey, you know, Tina, I want you to meet Steve. He's great. He's

great podcast editor. And I've never edited for the person who's giving me this recommendation.

I don't know how they know that I'm a good editor other than he knows other people in the industry

that I do edit for and have been editing for a while. I don't know. It's ridiculous how much

credibility you can get from people just because you met them in the hallways at a conference or

meet up or meet up or they're a friend of a friend or someone else. Yeah, I mean, I've had people

that have that I've been intro to that they didn't pan out working and then they went to their next job

and they were like, Hey, I'm not on this team. But now the company I work for is thinking of a

podcast like and I remember that conversation we had two years ago. Can you come in and you

know, do that? I mean, I've done lunch and learns for friends of just exploring what could podcast

thing and video look like for them. So when folks are always asking you how do I get work or how do

I start? I mean, I think you just you've got to kind of be pervasive and be everywhere. And I

think a conference like this in Austin allows you to be in a lot of different places. And so, you

know, if someone was looking to swap out or add an event to go to for next year, I like what

Tom and Brian and the folks over like a podcast we were doing, but like I have no relationship

with them or anything, but I do think I would love to see especially more behind the scenes folks

showing up to events like this. Because I think that's the only way that we're going to get more

airtime at these types of things. I don't think we're always well represented.

I've seen it for years. Yes, yes. And I think just the only way we will be is if more of us

start to show up and be a little bit louder and be more active in these communities.

Yeah. And that's just for our own benefit, for the benefit of all post-production side people.

For sure. I could keep talking about this all day long. So I appreciate your time. So if

if somebody does know somebody who needs some help in the health side or even around that,

where they're looking for someone to create those guides or the basis of a show,

how did they get hold of you? Yeah. I mean, I'm see Parasmen kind of anywhere I want to be found

is what I always say. Addercoms, ADER, seal, mms.com is my website. I'm on LinkedIn.

Come and find me. Even if folks just want to say, hey, I'm thinking of coming to New York for

podcast movement. I'm thinking of Boston next year, like always happy to chat with folks. I think

as we get closer to the September event, maybe we'll have something else in the podcast

editors group, another, another discussion to see, you know, who's coming? Maybe we do a

little side thing. Maybe we try and get more of our folks on stage at these events as well.

So we'd love to talk with folks that I think of coming September, New York is a great time to be

here. So looking forward to hopefully meeting some more folks and maybe we can get you to come out

to New York as well, Steve. The big ask. I'm not turning it down. That's the big ask.

Chad, I appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, of course, man. How is happy to chat. Thanks, Steve.

It's Steve back in the Post Production Studio. I didn't say this at the beginning of the show

because I wanted to ask now, did you notice a difference in the post production of this interview?

The intro was recorded separately. This outro is being recorded separately. I'm doing it with

the same microphone, but I've got the window open. So you might notice the difference here. But

during the interview, did you notice anything different there? I'm hoping that you did, but then if

you didn't, that would be fantastic data. So if you did notice a difference, what was different? Let

me know what you noticed was obviously we have a different guest today. So I'd please into it a

little bit, but what did you think was different in the post production of this audio episode?

So you know what telling me what you found? You can do it in any number of ways. If you look in

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