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Hello, fuzzlers. I thought today we could start by monkey-ing around. Or maybe we should

do some forcing... Thank you for that. Well, now you have to do it for this. We could do

some forcing around. Wow, he's good. He's good. Should we monkey around or horse around?

I don't know the answer because they're essentially the same thing. They are both verb phrases

that mean to be silly, and they're both based on animals. Which made me realize that there are

several other examples of this phenomenon where you have two verbs based on two different animals,

but they mean essentially the same thing. So we've got... I'll give you an example, cow and buffalo.

When they are used as verbs, you can cow someone and intimidate them. You can buffalo someone,

same thing, intimidate them. So my challenge to you is, can you think of any other examples

of this phenomenon? Of duplicate animal verbs, animal verbs that mean the same thing. I'll give

hints to two possible answers. There are two animal verbs that mean to mimic, to repeat, to mimic,

to copy. Likewise, there are two animal verbs that mean to annoy or pester or harass. Actually,

that one has more than two. I counted at least three or four. The answers and more

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Hello folks, welcome back to the Hello Puzzlers podcast, the secret tunnel behind your

puzzle prison cell poster. I am your host, AJ Jacobson here of course with Chief Puzzle Officer Greg

Pliska. Greg, before the break, I asked you and listeners, can you come up with any duplicate

animal verbs by which I mean two different animals that mean the same thing when they are used

as verbs. I gave the example of cow and buffalo which both mean to intimidate and I gave a hint.

So the first hint was these two animal verbs mean to mimic or repeat or copy. Did you come up with

anything? That one I got very quickly. It's a good one. One is a mammal and one is a bird.

That is true. Right. You're going to ape somebody or to parrot somebody.

Parrot and ape. Exactly. I wonder if they each rose in different parts of the world where

apes or parrots were more common. Interesting question. I just know that ape as a verb is used in

crosswords a lot. They seem to like that. It's a good set of letters for a crossword. No question.

The second clue was yes to annoy or pester or harass and there are this one has these are

three mammals that I could come up with and one that is a general term for a non-mammal.

Right. Well, I got badger, badger somebody and then I didn't come up with another one.

I came up with fly in the ointment which isn't exactly pestering. Well, you got the right,

you got the right part of the animal kingdom. Of course fly. No. It's just a general term. Stop

blanking me about that. Stop. Stop. You are. You're accepting me. It's the three-letter word. Yes,

bugging me. Badger and bug. And then the other two are, well, this one is if you have a pet who

really wants a treat, they might be. Dogging somebody. Dogging. And say another word for dog is

a mouth. Yes. Hounding. Yeah, well, synonymous. You're hounding somebody. Dogging is what I'm

dogging your tracks. I am following you a lot. Well, I also think we can look it up. We'll

look it up later, but I think it's like you dog them. You just keep asking for something. Yeah.

Anyway, there you go. That was that was just the intro. That was just the intro. How many we,

I mean, the world is filled with animal metaphors. We are animals ourselves and we spent a lot of time

with them in our history. And of course, we use them as metaphors for things. Right. I love a good

animal verb. We've done a couple of puzzles on them, but just never this twist. But we would love

to hear from listeners if they have any others. And speaking of that, today is Friday. So we go

down to the puzzle lab and dive into the listener mail bag because we have some excellent letters

and listener submitted puzzles. We love when you all send us puzzles. You can do it to Hello

Puzzlers pod at Gmail or on our patreon.com slash Hello Puzzlers. And senior puzzler Andrea

Schoenberg, I believe that you have a puzzle today submitted by a listener that you are going

to give to Greg and me. Yes, I do. I have a puzzle from Zvi Rosen. Zvi. I got it. Okay. Got it.

Okay. That is a great set of letters. That should be in a crossword puzzle right there. So true.

Zvi writes, Hello Puzzlers. I really enjoyed the puzzle with Portmento along the lines of

Freakonomics. But I was disappointed that economics was the only academic discipline you were

riffing on. I took the liberty of writing a non-economics portmento. So he now it's a bunch of

clues about different academic discipline portmentos. So you have to guess what the portmento is.

Sort of on the model of Freakonomics. Exactly. Got it. Okay. Great. The first one is speech patterns

of psychophantic traitors. Right now is a traitors T-R-A-D-E-R-S. T-R-A-I-T-O-R-S. Oh, traitors.

Okay. So psychophantic traitors. That seems like a contradiction to be psychophantic and a traitor.

Well, you can be psychophantic to the other side. Yeah, fair. Actually, in our government is

currently filled with some psychophantic traitors. So I shouldn't say it's impossible.

Well, traitors. Oh, I know what it is. There's a man whose surname has become synonymous with

traitors. I'm not a fan of the title, but also quizzling, right? Quizzling. Quizzling

just quizzling guistics. There it is. Oh, I love it. Quizzling good nice jobs, V. All right.

Quizzling. I mean, that was the first one. Starting off. That was the easy one.

Yeah, that was the easy one. Come in and hot, V. Come in and hot. Come in and hot.

All right. Another one. Abstract and fundamental questions about protective ahead gear.

All right. Well, I think that I'm thinking metaphysics or ontology or philosophy. One

of those ahead protective ahead gear. Okay. That makes sense. So wait, how do they go together?

Helmet and Helmetaphysics. Helmetaphysics. Helmetaphysics.

You got it. All right. Nice ones, V. I love it. I like to imagine a metaphysics professor

wearing a helmet. Stangerous to think that much about the meaning of life. Yeah.

You never know where it might lead. All right. The next one is animals playing annoying wind

instruments. Animals. That's true. That's like most marching bands. Oh, sorry. No, no, I don't

really mean that. I don't know. We are animals. That's it. That's where humans are animals.

Yeah. Marching band enthusiasts send your emails directly to Greg. I did not have nothing

against you. But animals would be like biology or zooology. Yeah, that's that one.

It's that one. So zooology. So zoo and the annoying wind instruments. Which seems very

jojee .. It's very judgey voy會. Only on civiliz.. Cozoology, I love it.

Cozoo and Zoology you study – yes. And it's a very narrow field but an important gun.

But in one or the other 40s, Funding has not been cut from casualzy. Any others from ZV?

Yes. Many others.

The next one is meaning of life and other wide questions but for plant pigments.

Oh, but C.A.J. listed all the meaning of life subjects are rare, so we, and we know metaphysics

is already taken.

So it's going to be philosophy, right?

And I went in the other way with chlorophyll, so chlorophyll, philosophy, chlorophyll,

philosophy.

Very good.

Yeah.

Love it.

Excellent.

The next one is insects with offspring, which is, let's me fair, most insects.

That's true.

There's a lot of them, too, like spiders that they have hundreds of kids.

I mean, I don't know.

Entomology seems like the insect, but I don't know.

Yeah.

Infantomology?

Infant.

Parentomology.

Parentomology.

Oh, nice.

Parentomology.

All right.

Good ones, V.

And I was thinking about the science of offspring.

It was like animal, husbandry, or something.

I was in the wrong direction.

Interesting.

Okay.

All right.

In a parenthetical, it's being said that this one's extra nerdy, so that's gross.

Oh, like the other ones were so not nerdy.

Extra, extra nerdy.

This is the study of stars with the same brown tint as Gandalf's colleague.

That is the next one.

That's extra nerdy.

Yep.

I am not.

Gandalf's colleague.

And the study of what?

Stars.

Stars are the same brown tint as the astronomy or cosmology, but I guess astronomy.

Yes.

But that one, I don't like, there's, oh, I feel bad.

Yeah, you know how Gandalf is Gandalf the, the grave.

And then there's another character who is the brown.

In the fellowship, right, the fellowship of the ring is the, what is seven people, beings

who are charged with taking care of the ring.

Right.

So, and Gandalf, and Gimli, and Aragorn, and a couple of their hobbits, and the Elf

Legolas.

So, this is Legolas astronomy.

Nice.

You know, it, that's so beautiful and well put, but it's not, that's not the answer.

That's not what's the, it was thinking of.

But it is, it is, I think it counts.

I think it counts.

A colleague of Gandalf and the study of stars would be just like, let's stop brown.

Is that?

The same brown tint as Gandalf's colleague.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, put us out of our ministry.

Please.

All right.

It is radigastronomy.

That is.

Radigastronomy.

I was about to say that.

I, if you just give me time.

Of course.

An infinite amount of time, like monkeys on the keyboard.

Deep cut.

Deep cut.

For sure, a deep cut.

We appreciate that though.

Let's see if you can redeem yourselves.

Oh, I can, we need to redeem ourselves.

This is the study of organisms who witness events en route to other locations.

I like that.

The rubber neckers.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, rubber neckers, right?

But organisms, so, biology, rubber neckers, biology is right.

You think it's biology?

Yeah, I know it is.

I know what it is.

Oh, you got it.

We'll say it.

Passers biology.

Oh, I like that.

Passers by.

And nice work with the, I always love a passers by or an attorney's general.

We're a big fan of that.

So, let's go love that.

Let me too.

Anytime we can get that into the show, I say, well, it's very, thank you.

That was so fun.

That was terrific.

Appreciate it.

Big shout out.

And maybe those are how to save academia.

Academia is in trouble now.

This could be the secret.

You know, I, it remind, I think we missed one, which is a study of disease in a Hello

Puzzler's community member.

Wow.

Okay.

Well, there's pathology, there's, I mean, an enigmatology, is that part?

No, it's the study of, the study of disease would be virology.

Wait, wait, Andre seems to have it.

No, okay.

Only because Greg said virology.

It's virology.

It's virology.

It's fine.

It's fine.

It's fine.

It's fine.

Very good.

All right.

Well, that is just part one.

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Hello Puzzlers, welcome back to the Puzzlers Podcast, today is all about you, the listeners,

we just had a great puzzle from Zvi, a listener, and Greg, I believe you have something

else for us that I do.

I do.

Well, as you know, as our listeners surely know, on our Patreon, you can become a VIP member,

which entitles you to have some extra perks.

I am.

I actually had to do that for you.

You joined as a VIP member.

Thank you for supporting our podcast.

Yes, absolutely.

Appreciate that.

We love our VIPs.

If you want to become one, go to Patreon.com, slash Hello Puzzlers, and you can find out all

the different tiers you can join at there.

But one of the things you get if you are a VIP is a personalized puzzle, right here on the

air.

Although I have not gotten one, but that's okay.

You've gotten hundreds.

You're right.

You're right.

Okay.

No complaints.

And I don't know if Zvi is a VIP, if he were, he'd be a Zvi.

Nice one.

I'm not sure he's joined at that level yet.

Maybe he will.

But anyway, we have two members to shout out this month.

New VIPs.

One is Joanna Kent.

Oh, yes.

Joanna Kent's written before.

Yes.

Hi, Joanna.

Thank you.

And so I have an odd one out puzzle using Joanna Kent as one of the four things.

So there will be, I'm going to give you four things.

One of them is the odd one out doesn't belong.

Okay.

And I always try to make the odd one out has the opposite property of the ones that belong.

Okay.

So four things one doesn't belong.

And one of those four things is Joanna Kent.

Yeah.

Okay.

And she might be the odd one out.

She might be.

She might be.

Oh, you never know.

Okay.

I mean, I usually the person is not.

Yeah.

Okay.

We want to include her, not exclude her.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Newport Jazz Festival.

Bacterian camel.

Nice.

And George Winston.

All right.

Well, you know what?

I have to.

I don't want to boast.

I don't want to boast.

But I had it on the second one, because I was trying this thing.

Wow.

That's good.

I was thinking, what could we do with Kent?

What could you do with Kent?

And we are not endorsing this product, by the way, but recognizing it's existing.

It is.

It exists.

All cigarette brands, Kent's, Newport and the others that I forget.

So which is the odd one out?

Oh, wait, say him again.

I forgot about that part.

It's not complicated, but Joanna Kent, Newport Jazz Festival, Bacterian camel and George

Winston.

I see.

So it's the Newport, because the Newport comes at the front as opposed to the back.

I suppose the back with Kent, Camel and Winston at the end.

Very good.

Nailed that one.

Well, can I just say one other related fact, which I love, which is that W.C.

Fields had a radio show, and he hated commercials, but he was sponsored by one of the cigarette

brands.

Maybe it was Parliament.

So just to screw him, he came up with a fictional son named Chester, and he would always

talk about Chester, his son.

And Chester, if you put it together, Chester Fields is another cigarette brand.

So he was intentionally screwing his sponsor, which we would never do here.

We would never do.

Unless it was Parliament cigarettes.

All right.

Well, here's another one.

Maybe it's a little trickier.

We have another member named Gene, J-E-A-N.

Great.

Gene.

Okay.

Thank you for joining.

Gene.

Thank you, Gene.

Thank you.

This is the odd one out.

Gene, Shaw, Sasha, Rob.

Wow.

Okay.

Well, I'm thinking that they might be names of famous people, but that's just like a gut

reaction.

No?

That's too basic.

All right.

Well, I'm going to bring in Senior Puzzler, Andre and Schoenberg.

Say it again, so we can all work on it.

Gene, and I might help to look at these to see them in my brain, not that it's

visual, but it's not phonetic, I'll at least tell you.

Gene.

Okay.

Shaw.

Okay.

Sasha and Rob.

Nope.

It's not coming to me.

What do you got, Andre?

You got it?

No.

I thought your face had looked like you have a very good poker face because I would not know.

Well, you get inside that hat and we're in the Puzzle Labs and we can look at how the

puzzles are made down here.

You've got Gene you're starting with and you want to make sure Gene belongs.

Right.

So, what do you think of when you see the name Gene?

I think of the pants, trousers.

Okay.

What's the word for those pants?

What do you call those pants?

Denom.

Jeans.

No, no jeans.

Jeans.

Jeans.

Not jeans.

Jeans.

Okay.

So, you're pluralizing.

There's something with pluralizing going on.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Okay.

Jeans.

Well, that is a homophones.

Shoes.

Jeans.

No.

Shoes.

I'm adding an S to that.

Yeah.

A little shawl.

Okay.

Shawl.

All right.

Sasha and Rob.

So, Rob.

Okay.

Sasha would be what?

What clothing can you add to Sasha?

Well, no.

You don't add.

You take away.

Oh.

Good point.

So, sash.

Good one.

And then what was the last one?

Rob.

Rob.

Yes.

Nice and done.

Well done.

All right.

You add a letter at the end to make an article of clothing and then Sasha's the odd one

out because you have to remove the letter.

Very good.

All right.

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Welcome, Jean.

And if you have any friends named Jean, welcome to Jeans.

All of you.

All of you.

And if you're wearing a shawl, a sash, or a robe right now, give yourself a bonus pose.

Well, thank you again.

Yes.

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We're going to wrap up.

We have a little lightning round of three other letters from our listeners.

Okay.

We've got first is from Naomi Broussard in Conroad, Texas, who was written us before.

Thank you, Naomi.

And Naomi writes, earlier this week, you did a set of math puzzles and asked, how can you make 30 cents without a quarter?

quarter. How can you make 30 cents without a quarter? And I thought it was funny because

I recently learned that nickels actually cost about 15 cents for the US mint. So you could

technically make 30 cents using only two nickels. Excellent point. So I guess the puzzle

was how do you make 30 cents with two coins and no quarter.

I would think. Yeah. A lot of ways you can do 30 pennies and so on. But yes, great thinking.

I like that. So do that mean Naomi that you go into stores with a couple of nickels and

say, you know, these are actually worth 15 cents. Yeah. And if you don't, you should try

it because I'm trying to see how that goes. That's going to go over great. I love it.

All right. Another letter from Andre's Gomez. Andre's rights. I'm a fan of the show

and really appreciate all of your work as someone who has always been a fan of real

repressions. We appreciate you. Absolutely. Many of us get great satisfaction from being

part of this community. Well, that's lovely. Oh, man. Andre's got it. You got to come

on the show more. Yeah. We love that. And he said he was inspired to add another clue

to one of our puzzles. And this puzzle was where we had two words. And you would add

a letter to create another word. And the words were, I think, hominems. They all, they

all sounded alike. So the clue in our puzzle was a floor covering that the star of the

born identity uses when he gets out of the shower. So the answer to that one would be

Matt Matt. Yes. But Andre's took it up a level. And he said, what? I got what if it was

kind of a flat non glossy colored non glossy. That's exact words he used a non glossy

floor covering for Damon is a Matt, Matt, Matt. So there you go. How many examples of

that are there in the language? That seems pretty rare. Adding progressively adding

letters to get a word that is hominem. I know. I tried to think of others. And I don't

have many. If you have two T.O. and two T.O. Oh, like adding one letter to happens a

bunch. Right. That's tricky. Well done, Andre's. Our final letter was a fascinating

letter from Andy. But this one was about a classic logic puzzle that Greg gave to me

in Andre about ropes and burning and 45 minutes and sick. Now I on the show thought that

I had discovered a loophole and exception to the traditional answer. Andy explains in

great detail why my loophole sadly does not exist. It's too intricate to get into on

the podcast. But I love Andy's explanation so much. We're posting it in the chat section

of our Patreon. So check that out patreon.com slash hello puzzlers. And thank you, Andy,

for schooling me on rope burning ropes of uneven burn rates. As one does occasionally.

Right. It was a great puzzle about how you know if you you don't know the burn rates and

they're not even but how can you get the in a time in a class of the puzzles like you've

got a container of that holds seven cups and five cups and three cups. How do you measure

out four cups or whatever, you know, however those work. It's always a little bit of you

got to you got to find a way to you know circle around the problem to get to the answer.

Yeah, I feel that like those are some of the oldest types of puzzles. Like yeah, it was like,

you know, and river crossing puzzles. You've got a goat in a cabbage and a raft. How do you

get across? That's one does. Right. I think it's a goat and a chicken and a cabbage or something.

Well, they're all sorts of varieties of it, which you can find out in the puzzler. A great book.

Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah. With excellent puzzles by Greg Pliska. Yeah. Well, thank you for

joining us. Keep sending us letters. We love the feedback. And of course, we'll see you here

next time for more puzzling puzzles that will puzzle you puzzlingly.

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