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rushers today in the upcoming 2026 NFL draft, always an important position every single year,

especially for the chiefs. But in particular this year, because the chiefs defensive line is

getting thin across the board. But before we get to position specific, just going to ask general

thoughts on the draft class as a whole. I don't know if it's any strong week or anything like that.

Just kind of like some of your overarching thoughts on what this draft class is bringing to

the teams this year. So it's deep at certain positions, but I won't say it's star studded

at certain positions, right? It's like you can, you can get good players and potentially that

could turn into great players like they have potential. But as far as like slam dunks, we know

these guys are going to be immediate, amazing players. There might be four or five max in this

class, right? And again, everybody compares to 2027, which you always say, oh, wait till next

year, but like legitimately this year, like wait till next year, it's absurd. But I think this

is really more of a meeting potatoes type of draft like you're, you're, you're trying to get doubles

here. So you'll bring it back to the chiefs there at nine. They're kind of like past the threshold

where you're likely to get a real real star. And so I think they can weaponize

other teams desperation for things like offensive tackle and also edge, which the chiefs also

need. They can weaponize that to maybe move down a little bit, get more picks, get cheap talent,

try to get themselves out of this cap hole that they are standing precariously close to

and set themselves up for 2027, which is when I expect this team to like really come back with

the vengeance. I don't really care about 2026. 2026 is just get a couple good football players. 2027

is like, all right, now, now we're back. Yeah, we don't got to go too far down like this rabbit hole,

but the chiefs did just trade Trent McDuffy for the pick 29 in this draft and then also the big

other big return will be next year's third round pick from the Los Angeles Rams. And like just to

me, that signals right away that this was a multi year situation that they are planning on retooling

this over multiple years. So yeah, 2026 is probably not super bowl or bust for the for the first

time since 2019, 2018. It's not super bowl or bust. It's not super bowl or bust for them. So yeah,

they might enter this draft with the idea of picking up more capital for next year or something

along those lines. And we're asking you know, we talked a little bit about nine and I would agree,

it's like just pass. I even hesitate to use blue chip because this class is just even weird going

all the way up to blue chip, but like outside of that top tier of guys in this class is probably

the chiefs at nine are just outside of that. You're hoping maybe somebody that fits that false to

you at nine. What about pick 29? How do you feel about the end of the first round and this year's draft

class? Do you think that's a good spot to find talent or value? Or is that another position that

would be more beneficial to move back again and to the early second? So I think it depends on

on how aggressive they want to get with the edge class, right? So if they if they feel good about

getting an edge at nine, like maybe for some reason they think Rubin Bayon's going to be there,

which some people have issues with the arm length, some teams will, some teams won't. I don't think

he's going to get there, but let's just pretend there's a world where he does. If they're taking

Bayon at nine, they might they might want to use that 29 to go down and collect more day two picks

where they can really augment the rest of the route. Like there's going to be day two corners.

There's going to be day two linebackers. There's going to be day two edges also if they want to double

dip. The day two specific like big body outside receiver group, which is something that I've I've

wanted them to attack for a while. So like Brazl from Tennessee Ted Hersh from Georgia State.

I mean, even like Skyler Bell is really more he's not just a yak guy, but like he's got incredible

ball skills and everything like you could play him outside and I feel good about it. Like I do

think they're going to add a receiver on day two and there's a million of them in this class.

And hell, even if they want to take a slight step down from 29, go to the top of the second

round and like pray to the football gods that Jadarian price is there if they don't get a running

back in free agency. Like I think it's see what edge looks like at nine. If it's not there, take

advantage for teams wanting a defensive attack or an offensive tackle, go slightly down. Maybe

Kenyans to Deek something like that is you're get out of jail free card. 29 users, you should

chip to go back in day two and just get a volume of guys. I know they can restructure and open up

money this year. I realize that if you're looking at every single team's maximum restructure

potential, they are still bottom four in the league. Every other team can open up more money than

them. At least almost every other team can open up more money than them. So relatively speaking,

they still are outgunned financially. Like just take your medicine, get picks, get cheap talent,

treat this as the same situation as when they traded Tyreeca in the first place where they

got a bunch of cheap talent. They hit on those picks. They were immediately good to get. Like

that's what I see for this year. Yeah, and like that's I think that's definitely one avenue they

go to. I mean, Brad Beach's big thing is going into drafts without glaring holes. They don't

ever want to feel like they're backs against the wall. So like they're gonna we obviously know

they're gonna make some moves and for agency. It's just a matter of how much do they spend and

what are the links of the contracts. But I mean, you mentioned it there. I'm talking about

positions that might be good at the end of the first round. Edge came up as like a late round one,

early round two spots. It's kind of I think that's a pretty good strong spot. So let's just go

and transition over to our edge spots. I want you to give me your top tier of ed rushers. I

don't care if it's one player, 20 players. You just give me your top tier of ed rusher. The rankings,

however you want to order it, you can. But I just want to hear your top tier in this class. And

if you think any of them will be available at pick nine. So I tend to favor power rushers.

Right. Because I think pocket compression from an every down and distance standpoint pocket

compression can serve you no matter what what situation you're in. Whereas like true speed

guys or rather speed only guys like I say a Romello height from Texas Tech. If you're third and

nine, sure he can tee off. If you're third and four, he's not going to give you a whole lot. Unless

like you're getting him free on like a stunt or something like that. But you know, if quarterbacks

can live in quick game, it means that their drop depth is going to be shorter. The ball is going

to be out quicker. Like you really need pocket compressors to affect a quarterback in that in

that situation. So I look at guys like Ruben Bane. You know, arm length be damned. He wins with power.

TJ Parker is a favorite of mine. I'm a huge TJ Parker guy. I know a lot of people would

would be mowing that pick at nine. But that's about the range that I start with him. Because he's got

a hell of a long arm. He can compress the pocket. Andy is a pretty good first step. Like he's built

exactly how you want an edge to be built. Six, three, low two, sixties. Like he's great.

I look at Keldrick Falk, elite run defender, not all the way there's a pass rusher. But like he has

actual tools that you can build around. And again, if the goal is not to compete and not compete. But

like if the goal is we're taking 2026 as our launch pad, we can get him ready by 2027. Like

he's got the tools. He's got the coachability. He's a great dude, great in the locker room. Like I

could see that at nine. I just I love big body-powered edges that can give me more utility in more

situations than just third and nine go hunt with a dip and rip. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, especially

that they that works out well for us. I think the chiefs are also very in line with they'd rather

have power rushers than speed rushers. It is something that they have typically avoided. So like

with your top end guys there, I think that was kind of the exact group that I think the chiefs

would put at the top circle back to Ruben Banks. I think he's going to be a hot topic of

conversation for everybody, but she's fans in particular because he's obviously a very talented

player. Arms come in. I mean, historically, well, not as bad as cash is how, but historically low

coming in under 31 inches. But when you watch him play, he doesn't I'm not going to say it never

shows up, but it doesn't show up in a way that you're like, oh, that's going to cause him to fail.

Like his answers to his lack of arm links show up on the film, the way he counters offensive

tackles who tried to jump up on the high side on him quickly. So they can use their link. He says,

okay, I will go inside. I will go under you because I'm also six foot two. And I can win the

leverage battle. I have this crazy rotational power. I see that he has answers to that. Do you think

come draft night that there is going to be enough? Will there be teams that enough teams that are

completely terrified of that arm link that he falls to pick night? I think it's a good chance.

Right. And I'm not even sure that the chiefs aren't one of those teams that disqualify him for that.

We know that Andy loves arm link when it comes to offensive line. I have to imagine he has similar

feelings about defensive line, right? Nope. It's he just looks different than most other like

top tier edges in the league. It is what it is. You really have to trust the tape and trust the

analytics on this one. A lot of teams won't. So I'm not convinced that if fall can bane

or right next to each other, that they wouldn't go fall. I'm not even convinced that if

messador and bane were right next to each other, they wouldn't go messador. He is an acquired

taste. He happens to be my taste, but he is an acquired taste. And I wouldn't rule that out.

I also would say if you're looking at a lot of the most successful edges in the league,

they do what Rubin Bane does, like Jared verse does what Rubin Bane does. Michael Parsons,

he's smaller than Bane, but he wins with power. He's a thick dude. He wins with power.

Aiden Hutchinson, great power rusher. Will Anderson, great power rusher.

Daniel Hunter, devastating power rusher. It's power, power, power, power.

So if you have what he has, you can be successful in the league. I think he's one of those guys

where it's like I can't I can't see him ever being a bad football player at the NFL level.

But I do think that there's questions about sealing because of how he's built.

Yeah, and I think that's where it begins right now. See, we don't know what the

ceiling is going to be. There's going to be teams that are going to rule them out because of

that because of the arm length issue. So it's worth keeping an eye on another guy that you

had at the top of the list. No size concerns whatsoever with Keldrick Falk. I mean, we're talking

about a guy made in the lab for especially defend even front defensive lines guys that are a

little bit more old school like Steve Spegnol is that like their big strong can hold the edge

and play with length play with power off the edge. But Keldrick Falk in a lot of people in the

national media seems to be a little bit more on the downside away from this top tier,

this upper tier of pass rushers. Why do you still have him kind of lurking around up there?

I do as well. I just why are you still have him lurking around that top end of that despite

just what people say is poor movement and his lack of production in Auburn.

So I didn't see poor movement skills personally.

Great. I actually think he's pretty toolsy.

And I look at guys like Keldrick Falk from the perspective of a coach,

which maybe can get me into trouble sometimes. But if I'm a coach, my goal is to get to third and

long. Like my goal is to get there in the first place. I have to earn the right to get to third and

long. And from a macro perspective, conversion rates dropped dramatically once you're past third

and six. If you're looking at third and short for third and medium versus third and long versus

third and very long, like I'm going to pick up a 25% chance of getting off the field just by

getting to that down a distance. So first and foremost, I want guys that can get me to that

down a distance. I can figure out the rest, right? Like through all of my crazy coverage rotations

and all of my, you know, crazy blitzes and everything like that, like I can I can manufacture

confusion for a quarterback. I can manufacture pass rush. I can't manufacture guys getting

up blocks and getting me to third and long. That's a big reason why they always take these big

body edges. Now, Falk moves a hell of a lot better than Tano Passano, but like that's why they

like those guys. And then historically, they've just gotten Chris Jones to third and long. It's

had Chris go hunt and it's worked. Now I don't think you can rely on Chris to do that. So they are

going to have to have another killer. Maybe it's Omar, whoever, right? But you still have to get

there and Keldrick Falk can help me get there. I'm not sure David Bailey could. I don't think

cash is how it could at least not to the same level. I beg Bermello height probably couldn't

armace and Thomas. Again, I don't think they're like horrible run defenders, but Keldrick Falk will

destroy the run Ruben Bane will destroy the run. He'll get me there and I value that.

Yeah, and like looking at purely from the cheese perspective with this too is whether guys are good

or fine or okay or great run defenders. You got to look at how teams ask them to play the run too.

There's a huge difference from going to play the run the way the Philadelphia Eagles have their

defense events play the run and what Steve Spagnolo asks, right? Like these guys have to not only

never get blocked by a tight end, but they got to play through the tackle and they're really expected

to play almost a gap and half. They got to get to that big B gap on the interior a lot because

Chris Jones is not going to be holding gap assignments all the time. These defensive ends need to

be able to play through a tackle and get to the B gap. I don't care necessarily about the

improvement for run game for undersized guys. It's really hard if you're 250 pounds to battle

through a 320 pound offensive tackles chest and get to the B gap, but I know who can.

Ruben Bailey talked about Keldrick Falk, TJ Parker. These guys that you have at the top of your

list, kind of why I have them up there too is they have that early down flexibility to work in

any system, not just team specific places that is going to ask for them to just kind of contain

outside runs. Maybe you tackle the running back on the way to the quarterback and we'll live with

that. So I'm with you with Falk. I like the movement. I think he plays on early down. So I like

all three of those guys. We didn't talk about TJ Parker. So I'll let you go one more time. You know,

what is what is the main reason that TJ Parker separates himself from the next tier that we're

going to talk about here in a minute? So there is something to be said for being able to play

through a tackle, you know, not just with length, but also with power and weaponizing that length.

Like his one arm stab is just vicious. And Chris Robby, you know, he's been around the NFL,

a great pastor's coach. He's worked with him in the last two years at Clemson. Like Parker got

offers for more money and could have left Clemson. But he's like, no, Rob has developed me,

developing me for the league. Right. And when I talked to him at the combine, like he emphasized

that, he's like, he's developing me for an NFL, like I will make my money back on the back end.

I'm not leaving Clemson. He's going to get me ready. And so he developed a power skill set over

the last two years at Clemson. And you know, the overall Clemson defense, like, yeah, they had a

down year. They had to move Peter Woods into more of a nose role because they didn't have any

bills that could do it. So Peter Woods kind of took one for the team there. You know, Parker didn't

have as many like quality passwords opportunities. So his numbers dip, but like, he's got the skill set

that you want where he can play through a tackles chest. And he can make a quarterback uncomfortable

with stepping up. Right. That's that's really the point I'm getting to here is if you're hitting speed

rush, speed rush, speed rush inside counter, inside counter, inside counter, the quarterback,

especially guys like say Caleb Williams, you watch how Caleb Williams manipulates the pocket

or even my home's how they manipulate the pocket. If you're going a route to tackle not through them,

they can adjust their position within or even outside of the pocket to just keep their tackle

in between you and him. Right. If you are only rushing through the tackle, you basically

eliminate that choice for the quarterback. They can't manage the pocket if the tackles just coming

straight back into them. If they try to step up, you disengage and you get them there. If they step

back and try to escape, he disengage and track them down the edge. Playing through a tackle is the

only way to really keep a quarterback from protecting his own offensive lineman for giving up a sack.

That's why I think pocket compression is so key. It takes away a scaplains and it really shortens

the clock more than just a pure speed rush or an inside counter, kind of guy like Ramella Hyder or

Mason or whoever. Right. So the fact that he can do that, he can eliminate a scaplains means that

quarterbacks have a harder time against him and it also feeds more sacks to his teammates.

And something that I think goes a little undersold when people talk about power rushers,

especially when we're talking about guys that maybe aren't your like your number one pass

rush or your guy, you're building the entire pass rush plan around. You got to be able to contain

a quarterback and more so they contain you've got to be a cage player like guys have these cage

assignments where you have to keep the quarterback bottled up and it's really again hard to do that

when you're 250 pounds and your best way to win is by getting up the arc. Well any good tackle

as soon as you do that is going to throw you by and now there's a massive gap here, right.

And so when Chris Jones is the spear that is leading this pass rush, you do need guys to win without

having to get eight, nine, 10 yards up field or have the ability to put their foot in the ground

and work back to the inside. If that lane starts to appear, I think you're being your fault, your

parkers all have that ability. And so maybe it's not always sacks, but you're setting up other guys

helping build that cage. It's not as sexy as having 15 sacks, but it matters when you get to

the next level and depending on what teams need to get you. So I'm with you on board these top three.

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Lender. Welcome back to the KCS in Draft Show. I am joined by Brett Coleman as we are talking

about the edge position of this upcoming draft. And so far, we talked about his top kind of

tier of ed rushers. And we had Ruben Bain, Kendrick Falk, and TJ Parker in that list. So now I'm

going to ask kind of what's the next tier after that, right? And if again, if it's a bunch of

names, we can kind of run through them and talk about the guys we really want to talk about.

But give me your next tier of past rushers after those top three. So David Bailey is in that tier.

Honestly, you could argue David Bailey in the next tier up. At least you see some tools that I

think he could develop a power skill set, even if he doesn't have it right now. At least that

consists of something like he's got length. He's got size. Like I stood right next to the kid. He's

big. So he could get there. It's just he's so explosive off the ball. He hasn't really had two.

So it's going to be one of those ones where you know, kind of similar to Kendrick Falk,

like yeah, it's it's going to take a year or two, I think for him to get there. But I would say

right now Bailey, you know, in that fringe tier one, tier two for me, a keen messador.

You could also argue him in tier one, but you know, some people would say like,

ah, he's going to be 25 is a rookie. I I don't really care about that that much because I

like GM's are only planning three years in advance anyway. Like they're not planning for

ten-year windows of like all taking this guy because he's going to be with us for ten years.

Like nobody cares. Nobody's doing that anymore. Unless it's Patrick Mom's. But also another

element to the age thing with messador is, you know, a guy like like Shamar and Cincinnati.

And you could also even argue this with Kendrick Falk. If your hope is that by year three,

he's going to turn into the best version of himself. You just burned half his rookie deal.

More than half his rookie deal. Yeah. Of cheap years. And by the time he's good,

you have to pay him. So if you're taking a guy like messador who's ready to go right now,

you're getting contract value right now. So I think that's an advantage for him and why I would

easily take him, you know, on the top 20 picks. I would look at Zion Young is up there again,

bigger body guy, great dude in the room, plays the run, rushes the power, big Zion Young guy.

Armies and Thomas, you don't see power all the time. But like sometimes he, he will kind of

weaponize speed to power. But again, it's not super consistent. It's not the biggest guy.

And then Malachon Lawrence from UCF. I like him a lot.

Cash is how I just really can't figure out. Like that's fair. I was like, I like the concept.

You know, but it's like how often does that work in the like, is he a Hassan retic?

Yeah. How many Hassan retics have we had?

Yeah, he's a tricky one. No, there's a lot of stuff that should give me. We'll stick with

Hal for a second because I think some people do have him in that round one range. Other

thing, I have him quite a bit lower than that. And it's just because I don't, I'm with you. I'm

just a little uncertain how it translates to the next level. And it's not that he's super,

if you want to tell me the guy that has the most like just ability to bend the corner,

get underneath the tackle, I might be able to pull out five plays that are cash is how before

you get to somebody else because like his ability to get low, work around the edge are phenomenal.

But then you watch him rush sometimes and he kind of runs up the field laterally. Like he doesn't

run with his hips square up the field. He runs up like a side shuffle, which is cool. But I don't

know how translatable that is. We then have even shorter arms in Rubenbane. He's 250 pounds. So

it's not like he's weak. It's not like he has a head-to-weight room or anything. But you're

going to lose a lot of leverage battles. He does those short arms for him show up a lot more

frequently than they do Rubenbane. So like I just get I get confused on how he's going to translate

and wonder if he is not going to be purely a designated past pressure for a lot of teams. Like

that's why I kind of had to knock him down a little bit. I think you know who I like more than him.

And this I might end up with a higher grade on him by the end of the process fully done two

games. Joshua Joseph's from Tennessee. Oh yeah. I like I like him a lot and Derek more from Michigan too.

Both of those guys I think I might end up pushing up both for some of the names I even already

listed because again power component great first steps. Played against top competition and

whooped ass against top like Josh Joseph's got Monroe Freeling. Pretty bad. Yeah.

A couple of times right. Danny Dennis Sutton is one from Penn State. I'm still trying to figure

out like he looks stiff on tape. Then I saw him with the combine. He's like he's actually.

Is he really like recone? Yeah even just the timing. Yeah because like I went back I saw that

and I went back like I'm a kid you know I don't mean it's negatively. He rushes like he's had a

broomstick attached to his spine. Yes. You go watch him at the combine and this guy is changing

directions. He's dropping his hips and like why when you are on the football field. Did you never

move your chest? Never moved. It was the same height throughout your rush no matter what you did.

And then where did this workout come from? It's like good players still as just like I am struggling

to square his athletic testing with how he looks on film because it just doesn't match up whatsoever.

Hard to me. I wonder if it's like whoever you're you're training with for combine? Do they just

like retool how you move? Which like we've seen happen before recorder packs like I'm a rock

party between Shrine Bull and like his pro day added 10 miles per hour because you know he was

trained down Jacksonville and will he like completely told his mechanics and you know gave him an

actual NFL like is that what happened with Dennis Sutton? Because he didn't look in a month.

So I don't know. Yeah, he's a trick. I'm glad you made it. I got a couple guys I want to ask

about in that group. But you mentioned Joseph's Joshua Joseph's out of Tennessee. He's a guy

I've been on for a little bit and he came in a little bit smaller than I thought he would at the

combine because he does have a power element to his game right. He transitions his speed into power

exceptionally well. He uses his length. He plays like at the end of his hand. So you never the

the lightness doesn't show up as a past rusher as much occasionally as a run defender. But again,

he's not terrible. And that regard either is like what did you see about Joseph's game that you

kind of that you kind of like and are wondering about if you want to move him up a little bit higher?

It's it's the suddenness right is the efficiency of his first step. He doesn't have that extra

little like you know sometimes you're watching like young edge rushers where they have that that little

like tippy tap step before they get going like I really want guys where it's like I am dug in I'm

ready to go I don't have any wasted boob and I am I am getting off the ball here. And he converts

that suddenness or rather uses that suddenness to get a tackle to panic a little bit open the

shoulders a little bit early. And that's when he attacks with power. And so it's no like sometimes

power rushers do have a speed component. Sometimes speed rushers have a power component. He is a power

rusher that has a speed component. He sets up the power with speed. Yeah, no absolutely agree.

All right. So some other names here the other name here in this list that kind of wanted to ask

about a little bit here was armace and Thomas and not like not a great chiefs fit. But he was a

guy that I also really liked on film right. I like that you saw all the traditional speed stuff.

But similar to Joseph's there he's a fantastic power rusher right when he wants to put his foot in

the ground and run through your chest. Armace and Thomas had that then he goes the combine barely

clocks over 240. I honestly thought he was going to be one of the I thought he was going to be

closer to 250 just the way he played had really short arms. I wanted to did anything from the

combine change kind of how you see his fit at the next level. Does it change some teams that you

think might be interested in him or did you just think the tape might be good enough that it won't

simply matter. I love his effort as a player. And I think you know the willingness is there as a

run defender. Like he he's not afraid of it. He isn't shy away from it. You know, obviously he's

got the the burst in the bends for like your classic DPR type like like a Jacob Martin type.

The the question for me isn't willingness to put his face in the fan. It's just when you watch

these guys. And this is something that I want the folks at home to remember when you're watching

these edges. Watch how they win and ask yourself would this have any shot in hell of working against

Tristan works. Or Trent or even Laramie Tunsell. It's like does this play style have any chance

of working against even Josh Simmons. If the answer is no, they're you know that that matters

right. Because that's who they're facing every single week. You're going up against the

chargers twice a year. They got Joe Alton or Sean Slater. Do you have a serial killer at edge or not?

Right. Right. Yeah. And I think I think that's the thing. There's like there are guys in the

it. So do let me take a step back here. There's plenty of situations where a backup offensive

lineman or a bad offensive lineman will be across from you. And these same moves will work. So

it doesn't mean that our Mason Thomas would have or anybody would have no production in the NFL.

It's a matter of where you're going to start to value that right. If you're only winning one on

ones against those backup tackles or against a team's worst offensive lineman in there. Is that

now still worth that first round pick or do you need a player that is going to be able to

challenge your worst your tonsils your so on right. So like it's not so much that they can't win in

the NFL. It's just a matter of how consistent will it be. And so I agree our Mason Thomas kind of

stuff where that shows up. I guess the last guy in this list I didn't want to talk about. I

mentioned it mentioned him earlier and got a shout out the local fan base here Zion Young out of

Missouri. She's fans. I think are going to be very split on him. So I do want to get your take

because a lot of fans are going to see that he's very similar to everything they've had strong

versus the run. Not the greatest not the greatest past rusher. Pretty stiff throughout the hips.

Not going to give you a lot of the arc. But when you look at what he does on early downs. It's easy

to get excited or see why a team would be interested in him. So what is kind of like the the sales

pitch on Zion Young for any team. But in particular team that's a little worried about the past rush.

The Kendrick fall role but with less physical upside. Right. Like that's that's so it's one of those

was like, okay, if you don't get folk. If you don't get Bane. No. If you don't get Parker. You

still want a power edge. You're you're going to get him at the top around two. If I had to get

the other component to this. And this really goes for every single position.

And you know, Eugene, I luckily the NFL is gracious enough to let us down on the field during

the drills again. And one of the values of being down there is you see like, who's like the vibes guy

in every single group. Kendrick falcons on young were the two that I saw the most of just like

getting everybody going, encouraging everybody like the whole day they had like a leadership role

within the edge group that they were in. And it almost felt like they were almost like competing

with me like, no, no, this is my show. Like I'm running this group. Right. And like they were at

the front of every single line. Even if they weren't picked to do the drill, they were at the front

of every single line like clapping it up, encouraging guys like I think Zion is very clearly good for

the room. I think Kendrick is good for the room. And at the end of the day, these are co-workers.

We want to spend every day with. And if you're looking at Zion Young, a power rusher that we know

can play the run and get us a third and seven. And he's going to be awesome for the room.

You know, he's he's not going to give our PR team any more crises than they already have to deal

with consistently. And you're comparing that to like a 238 pound DPR that might know, you know,

like that's going to be a tiebreaker. It's like we're spending every day with this guy. And we

really like him. Some teams take that into account. Two extra things here is that I to pick you

back on like the leadership thing. That's that was with the word coming out of everybody that's

connected to Missouri, too. He's he's the heart and soul of that defense. He was the guy that got

them all fired up. Everybody watched the overtime against Auburn, right? He's at the coin toss and

he's telling them exactly what's going to happen. He won't shut up. The mics are picking it up. Like

maybe that's why he killed her going back and forth, by the way, because Kendrick is on that field,

too. And he's like, Oh, okay. I remember you. Yeah. Right. And so and he backed it up, right? And that's

the key thing. Now, you do there is some off field stuff. If I'm not mistaken, Zion Young was the

Michigan state player that was kind of at the center of the Michigan Michigan state tunnel stuff.

There is, I believe it's a DWI at one point in time. So there is stuff off the field that you

got to make sure you do your background checks on. I have not heard anything from anybody at Missouri,

though, there's been any kind of issue with him as a character or a person there. I would just

want to be very clear that I'm acknowledging there's all field stuff. And for the chief,

that can be a scary road to travel down at this moment in time. But there's it. Oh, is it

historically, but they're there. And then also trying to gloss over this now.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

At the senior bowl Zion Young impressed me the senior bowl because it felt like he was given

the green light down there to just the pin his ears back a little bit more. And so I thought

he showed more promise at the senior bowl than he did for Missouri. And I think at Missouri,

I talked about it earlier, there's roles that defensive lineman play. It felt like his role

was set up Damon Wilson to be the pass rusher, which is fair. I get it. Because David Wilson's

a really good pass rusher, but then he watched Zion Young at the senior bowl. And it was a little bit

less team oriented and more like, hey, can you win? And he won a little bit more. So I do think

there is maybe some hidden value, you're not hidden value, but like he might have a little more

upside as a pass rusher than showed on tape at Missouri based around how they were asking him to play

within a system that had another really good pass rusher. Yeah, you're hoping it's like Randy

Gregory at Nebraska, right? Who like didn't really get to show my mind is mine is everything else.

Oh, what a great comparison. This is on this is an actor I suppose.

Just don't Google him. Just watch him play.

All right, there is a name that we didn't mention yet that I think a lot of people put in the

edges. I think we got to get over this. People are probably screaming into their screens at this

moment in time. Are Vell Reese? Do we not have him as an edge? Did I miss you? Say him really?

Dude, you're not having as an edge. He's just he's getting it. I didn't really think about it

because he's going to be gone on. Sure, but also like Arville. I consider him his own position

and I think his best role is like Dante high tower where yeah, he's an inside linebacker,

but like the Patriots lined up Dante at edge a lot. They lined up over guards a lot. They used

high tower specifically to give them a whole wide variety of front structures to play with.

And a lot of it was just like we're getting into the same five down look. It's just you don't

know which one of those five down spots. Dante's going to be in and they had a whole bunch of

like different like one word adjustments where it's like you use this word and it changes

everybody's spot. Use this word and they keep the same spot, but they're switching roles and

like they used high tower to essentially play the same front over and over again, but like in

10 different ways. And I see Arville who was under Patricia doing a lot of that. I'm like that's

that's kind of his perfect role. Like yes, linebacker, yes, edge, yes, over guards, all of it,

all of it at the same time. I don't want it to be a dedicated edge. I want them to just be

a dedicated like horsemen of the apocalypse is the best way to describe it. Yeah. And so I get

that. I struggled to call him Justin Edge as well. I think full time edge Arville Reese is a

inferior player to let's see how else we can use him. Arville Reese, if that makes sense.

Right. I think if you leave just an edge, you're going to highlight some of the weaknesses that

have shown up. And it's not many, but you're going to highlight some of them. Um, you said, Dante,

hi, I kind of had like a Jamie Collins type player, but similar concepts. We're moving them all

over the place. Some teams might try to play them off ball a little more. Some teams are going to

let him play off the edge a little bit more, but like that, that realm of players. I just wanted

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Um, can I ask you a question? If he turns into Andrew Van Ginkle,

who is that enough for you? But like maybe even a better version of Andrew Van Ginkle,

is that enough for you? Okay, at pick nine, is that enough for me?

Hmm, probably not for I think I want to shoot a look. This is my chiefs brand.

I don't anticipate the chiefs picking in the top 10 for the next 10 years after this, right?

I'm not saying that's not fair, but like that's where my mindset is.

And so for that pick, I think I need a little bit more than Andrew Van Ginkle plus,

which I think is he obviously he obviously can do. I just don't know if that's enough for me

at that pick for the chiefs perspective. Now, if you're a different team that is routinely here

and you want that kind of chest piece, maybe it makes a little bit more sense.

So what are you hunting for an all pro then? Like that's like we're leaving here with something.

Yeah, I want a I want a player that is going to matter in some fashion. And when I say matter,

it's not just be a good player, but the opposing teams like, hey, we have this guy on the other side

of the field. Like we have to game plan for him. We have to acknowledge his existence a little

bit more. And I don't know if Andrew Van Ginkle has ever got to that point, right? And so you

just somebody that the other teams have to acknowledge because look at the chiefs roster.

Tell me who if you're an opposing defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator,

you're like, we got to watch out for that guy. Like you could good luck. Like good if that's if

that's the standard. Yeah. Wouldn't we just replace Shimari Connor with Caleb Downs in call

today? I set myself up for this. So here's why I'm just I'm not a safety fan or a linebacker fan.

I think sunny styles is awesome. I don't share my love. Also awesome. I have my reservations

of running back there too. It's like all those players a little lower on him. But these are all

guys in the same thing is like what happens if those guys aren't what happens if they hit their 75th

percentile of what we think they can be right now 100. They're 75th percentile. They're no longer

worth that pick. Whereas a defensive end that hits their 75th percentile probably still is like,

okay, like it's still a good player or a wide receiver or an offensive tackle or even a cornerback.

So it's just it's a balance. Sounds like you don't really have any good options then.

Yeah, it does, Brett. It's awesome to pick nine in a year where there's not nine great players.

That's the standard. That's where I'm like, I guess Spencer's motto for your new right tackle.

We replaced Jaylen Moore and he's going to love those arms.

I mean, Malino is not going to be there like, I know. No, it's it's not a it's not a great spot,

right? It's not a great spot. So yeah, we're kind of at the end of this. Like, I have it my my

general board of guys that I am very happy with his his incredibly small. There's plenty of guys

I'm fine. I'm not mad if they draft Caleb Downs or sunny side. I'm not upset. It's just not I'm not

going to leave thrilled with this being a pick in the top 10 and that's what they get. But I obviously

I would love Rubin Bayne. I think that's kind of like the highest hope the pie in the sky for

the chiefs at the at this position. Our Val Reese, I could get on board with because I do think

that you're getting a better player than like that Van Gogh area, but like that's a possibility.

I would be okay with our Val Reese in that spot. Carnell Tate, obviously, I would be cool with

I'm a big McKaylin fan and I know he's very same same for what the chiefs have. How long

are the chiefs going to have the same same? It might not be much more than another year, right?

And so you give me my number one by nothing. So you give me you give me you give me

me macaque lemon and Andy Reed's West Coast offense. I think that actually might be a pick that's

like worth worth that spot. So that's about it though. Like that's my happy list. That's my I'm

really happy with what just played out outside that. There's some stuff I'm fine with. So yeah,

not a great year for pick nine for for me and my mind is a cheese fan.

Interesting lack of Dermod McCoy.

Yeah, I like Dermod McCoy. He would go with the downs and sunny style spot and it's not the

position value. I just I want to go see him move again and it sounds like it's more his agent that

has kept him from doing more stuff more so than his own decision. So I'm not upset with that

because I do think McCoy is a very very talented corner. He's like for me, I've said this. He's

like a half tier below what Derek Stingley is. So not quite that good as a prospect, but a half

tier below. So he's exceptional. I just want to see him move and I don't like the process of

trading in all pro corner to chase one. But McCoy is probably good enough that I'm not too worried

about that. If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's one of those this team was up against the

wall. They had no other choice. Yeah, they're rebuilding. They needed they need draft capital. Look

at again, look at the roster. They have holes everywhere. They need more resources and like

Tremac Delphi's great, but they needed the resources. I got one last question for you to circle

us back to edge one last time because I have to ask this one, give me one player later in the draft

that you would plant your flag on and say this guy is going to be better than his draft position

tells you he's going to be. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, I got to give you a chance to get

it. Get the receipts out there somewhere so that when he's good in four years, we can dig it back

up for you. So I got two. They're different types of players. And Tommy Tucker from Western Michigan.

Again, if you're looking for a smaller, more fluid, you know, DPR type, which I'm a sucker for

that like the fourth round. I'm always trying to find like the next shack. Right. It's like you

give me the smaller Bendy DPR. But if you want more of a big body guy like Tyreek Sap from Florida,

I like him a lot as well. Yeah. Gonna get him the mid rounds, get down eater rotational player,

can trust him on all three downs. You know, is he ever going to be like the most dynamic guy,

probably not, but like he's going to be a player. He's going to be in the rotation. And you're

going to get a lot of snaps from him for dirt cheap. And they're going to be quality staff.

Yeah. No, I really like the sap. I mean, I get to go back to Tucker and circle back one more time.

But he does flash a little bit with like that speed nap. But isn't but sap is a guy definitely

have a pretty solid grade on just because yeah, he's he's going to eat volume. Right. And at some

point in time, guys that eat volume, you're going to remember those names and those guys usually do

outperform where they get drafted. So love both those names. Thank you as always for jumping on

here and joining me. Anywhere you want to send people that don't already listen to you to come

find you and check out everything that you do. Yeah. Over on our podcast channel, the bootleg football

podcast, we're doing kind of a limited run series with the boys from NFL Stock Exchange, Trevor

Trevor and Connor from NFL. And it's called the blue chip committee and we're kind of exploring

different high level draft topics. The one that's dropping this week is drafting for need versus

BPA. So it kind of reflects a lot of what we talked about today. What's the best way to go? What's

like the hierarchy of need for this BPA? And then we talked about a few players from Combine Week

that we we thought popped. Awesome was always thank you Brett for jumping on here with me. Thank you

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