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Your at least thing to the trial of Kelsey Fitzsimmons from the Hidden Killer's podcast

and true crying today.

Now, back to the court row.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Good morning, Miss.

Good morning.

Staying in name and stay your last name.

Kelsey Fitzsimmons.

F-I-T-Z-S-I-M-M-O-N-S.

How old are you?

I'm 29.

You mind?

I'm just pulling up.

I can look a bit closer just so that we can hear you.

Is that better?

And I didn't hear your last answer.

I'm 29 yourself.

I'm 29.

Thank you.

Yeah, that's about it.

And what's the town of your residence?

Currently, Newbury Port.

Where'd you go up?

I grew up in Methuin.

Methuin?

Methuin, Massachusetts.

And did you live there your whole life?

Most of it, yes.

Did you go to high school there?

I did.

And where did you go?

Methuin High School.

When did you graduate?

2015.

And you lived there with your parents and your family?

Yeah, I lived with my mom and my dad.

There were two different houses.

Tell us, tell the judge a little bit about your upbringing

and your family and who's it?

So I have my mom, my dad, my mom Lauren, my dad Steven,

my older brother, my biological older brother, Steven Jr.

And then I have my stepfather, William Peach, his two kids

that I consider my brother and sister, Madison and William.

I'm sorry, I didn't hear the name.

My younger brother and sister are Madison and William.

Madison and William, did you say that they were steps away?

They are steps, yes.

I try to keep your voice up.

Okay, sorry.

Use the mic kind of like I am, like that.

Okay.

All right, thanks Kelsey.

So you guys are a close family, right?

Yes.

And they've been with you through this process the whole time, right?

The whole time.

Where did you graduate high school?

2015.

Did you go to college?

I did.

And where did you get your degree from?

I got my degree from Fisher College.

I got my Bachelor of Science and Criminal Justice.

What year was that?

2020.

What were some of the awards and distinctions you received

at Fisher College?

I was, I think, my junior year.

I was inducted into the Criminal Justice Honor Society

in my senior year.

I was voted in as the president of the Criminal Justice Club.

And I just worked closely with campus police there

and the advisor of the Criminal Justice Club.

Did you work while you were in college?

I did.

What did you work?

I worked for the college as a work study.

And I also worked as, like, a host slash

waitress down the street at a restaurant called Cheers.

Did you do any security work?

Yeah.

In 2016, I was hired by Ben White Park Security.

And I believe I worked there in 2017.

And, like, throughout all of Fisher College,

I worked for campus police as a work study,

like a dorm proctor, checking IDs of students.

Okay.

After graduating Fisher College,

is it a B-A-R-B-S?

Yes.

B-S and Criminal Justice.

Yes.

And what was your kind of goal for your life and your career

with that degree?

When I graduated, it was the peak of COVID.

So everything got a little confusing on what my next steps were.

My plan originally was to try to go straight to a police academy.

But when I graduated, there was no police academy's running.

So I decided to go to law school.

I decided to further my education and go to law school.

Where did you go and tell us about law school a little bit?

I went to Massachusetts School of Law.

I did about three semesters.

And then some academies started to run again.

And did that change your pathway?

It did.

What happened?

The Essex County Sheriff's Department started doing police

Sheriff's Department Academy's again.

So I applied to be a corrections officer.

And that was in 2020.

And I went through their academy in 2021.

Where's that academy?

Their academy is at the Northern Essex Community College

in behavioral Massachusetts.

And what was the course of study?

Just in general, what did it entail and how long was it?

It was three months.

It had to do with the training of being a corrections officer.

Our whole job was safety and security of the inmates that were housed in the jail.

So it went into law into safety and security.

So you spent three months at the Sheriff's Academy?

Yes.

And you were hired by the Essex County Sheriff?

I was, yes.

When was that roughly?

That wasn't 2021.

I think it was September of 2021.

What was your kind of original first assignment when you got to the Sheriff's Department?

How did you start there?

I worked in housing.

I was assigned to housing the whole time I worked there.

Did you have any other jobs while you were at the Essex Sheriff?

When you pick up a overtime shift there, they kind of just throw you in

where somebody's needed.

So I did a lot of different jobs just through all the overtime I worked,

which included transportation of inmates to and from court.

I would work in programs.

I have church and school for the inmates that reside there.

And there's outdoor perimeter security where you drive a cruiser around the perimeter of the jail

to ensure no one's coming in or out.

I did things like that on my overtime.

In terms of the transport, you are actually the person that kind of comes to here to court,

goes into lockout, delivers prisoners, picks up prisoners, brings them back.

Yes.

How long were you at the Essex Sheriff?

About two years.

At that point you had a career path decision, right?

A different decision.

I did.

I always knew I wanted to be a police officer.

And was there some opportunities that came up in that respect?

Yes.

While I was working for the Sheriff's Department, I had moved to North Endover.

I really liked the town I lived in and I wanted to work in it as a police officer.

So what did you do?

I applied to the North Endover Police Department.

Did you interview with Lieutenant Daily?

I did.

He was on a panel interview.

They call it like an oral board.

It could be Lieutenant Daily and several other members of the North Endover Police Department.

And I take it that you're not going to get hired there unless they approve you.

Yes.

And that happened and you were hired?

Yeah.

They do an extensive hire check.

Background check.

There's a lot that goes with it.

What you would expect in terms of a police officer getting hired?

Yes.

What's the first step when you get hired as a police officer?

What do you do next?

You have to go to the police academy for six months.

So you've been through a three month Essex Sheriff Police Academy training academy.

And now you're about to start a six month North Endover Police Department.

North Endover Police Academy training.

Right?

Yes.

And where did that training take place?

That also took place down Hall, Northern Essex Community College in Haverall.

And you spent six months going to that?

Six months, yes.

Was that something where you stayed there the whole time or did you come and go?

Did you commute?

How does that work?

I commuted.

I got there in the morning, left sometime in the evening and we had weekends off.

So it's five days a week.

Okay.

When did you graduate from there?

I graduated in May of 2024.

And did you run for any positions within the academy that they have in your class?

Yes.

While I was in the police academy, I ran for treasure and I became the treasure of my class.

And what does that entail?

That entails everything financial through our academy.

I would collect.

We had like academy dues.

I would collect them.

And we would purchase things that we wanted such as like sweatshirts and sweatpants

to wear for our PT days as well as an academy sweatshirt.

We also, I also planned our graduation party.

So I had to book it, collect the funds for it and plan it essentially.

And is it a situation where there's different classes going on at once,

like class of 2020, class of 2021, like that?

Yes.

And you were the class of 2020?

Well, my class was called Rock Five.

So I don't know how the numbers go.

The one before me was four and the one after me was six.

I was Rock Five, ROC Five.

All right.

And when did ROC Five graduate?

May of 2024.

And you graduated with the class?

Again.

And what was your first assignment with the Northand over PD?

You first go to patrol on FTO.

And FTO is meeting here with a field training officer.

So you ride with somebody in the same cruiser for a period of time.

Who are you?

Who are your field training officers?

I had several, because you do different shifts.

I had field training on day shift.

My field training officer was officer tyranny.

I had field training on the four to midnight shift.

My field training officers were officer firmman, now detective firmman,

and officer Susa.

The entire time you were there, were there any other FTOs that you had,

just to kind of list them all out?

I think there's multiple officers there that are FTO trained,

but those were the ones that were assigned to me, to train me.

So you were, I'm sorry.

I'm late at night.

No.

You just don't know.

Oh yeah.

I think we're going down.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Awesome.

Thank you.

So, Ms. Fitzsimmons, in your employee at the Northand over PD,

you assume the job of a regular patrol officer at some point,

I take it?

Yes.

And after you finish with field training officers,

do they have some sort of a say in how you function in the field,

and report back to the administration of the supervisors about how you're functioning?

Yes.

So the supervisor on your shift, your field training officer,

gives them, like, I think it's a weekly report of how I did on calls and what calls we went on together

and how I performed stuff like that.

And eventually, I think I don't know exactly how many weeks I was on field training,

but after it's complete, the sergeant will take you in his cruiser,

and you drive his cruiser and respond to calls or make traffic stops,

and then he decides if you were signed off on, and I was signed off,

and that day I got my own cruiser.

And when was that, if you remember, just roughly?

I think it was in...

I think it was an end of June or early July of 2024.

And just a few things I want to just tick off on the list of things that police officer does.

Did you serve restraining orders?

I have before.

Have you testified in court?

I have.

And you've made arrests?

I have.

Now, at the time, getting moving over to your personal life,

at some point you met someone named Justin Elaine, right?

Yes.

And what was your experience with Justin Elaine in a nutshell?

My experience in a nutshell, we met their Facebook.

We went on a few dates.

We ended up hitting it off.

Well, it was in the academy we were dating.

He was...

is a North End Upper firefighter.

At my police graduation, he pinned me.

And then I would see him on calls sometimes.

And we eventually moved in with each other.

We got engaged.

We had a baby.

And what was the baby's name?

What's the baby's name?

My son's name is Kaden.

How old is he today?

He's 13 months.

And Justin Elaine is the father?

Yes.

What happened on June 30th of 2025?

On June 30th of 2025.

I woke up in the morning.

Let me be more specific.

I'm sorry.

Did he take any actions relative to you in terms of your relationship that day?

Yes.

And what did he do?

He obtained a restraining order against me.

Is it fair to say that he broke up with you via a restraining order?

Yes.

I did not speak to him.

I realized our relationship was over when a restraining order was handed to me.

So let's rewind to the events of that day.

Okay.

So that morning, where are you home?

I was.

Who's home?

So my sister slept over the night previous.

So June 29th to June 30th.

So she was over in the morning.

Maddie.

That's Madison.

Yes.

I was with my son.

I had worked at one p.m.

I had to go to CPR training at one p.m.

Now, had you been out of work for a while?

I was.

Yes.

And when did you first go out of work?

I went.

I worked up until I gave birth.

Kaden came five weeks early.

So I wasn't expecting it.

So I went out basically the day.

I gave birth to him.

And his birthday is what?

February 16th, 2025.

Now.

When you were seeking to go back to work,

did you get clear to go back to work in June of 2025?

Yes.

Did that entail going through certain trainings and getting reviewed and stuff?

I did.

What was the event on the 30th that you had to do to finish that off?

I had CPR training at one p.m. on the 30th.

Was that your last thing you had to go through?

That was it.

Yeah.

Were you seeking to see Justin Elaine that day?

Yes.

We had spoken through texts and on the phone in the morning.

I was asking if he would come home.

Because he had been home in days to be with Kaden

while I went to work.

And his response basically was,

I can pick him up and watch him.

And I said, you're not a babysitter.

So there was a bit of argument about that.

You're a text argument.

Yeah, I was like, you're his dad.

You're not a babysitter.

You can come home and I understand picking him up

and watching him.

That was very odd for me to hear his father.

Moms don't like when dads say they're going to babysit their own kid, right?

Yes.

You're your dad.

And at some point, just to kind of cut to the chase on that,

you made a plan to meet up in Northand over?

Yeah.

There was a lot of texting back and forth.

He originally said, yes.

And then he said, no.

And then he said, I'll meet you tomorrow.

And I said, you have worked tomorrow.

That doesn't make any sense.

He worked a 24-hour overnight shift.

Is there something about gas money as well?

Yeah. He said that he couldn't drive from Stowe, Massachusetts

to Northand over because he had no gas in his truck.

And I just was trying to get him to meet me.

Like, we need to figure this out.

I go to work in a couple hours.

Like, we need to figure this out.

He called me while I was driving to work and said,

I'm on my way to Northand over.

Let me stop you right there.

Okay.

Let me just rewind a little bit.

Okay.

So there's some texting about this, right?

Yes.

And the texting that you have and that's been kind of passed around in the case,

it doesn't end up with, okay, I'll come and meet you at the Northand over common, right?

No.

So was that a arrangement made outside of those texts?

Yes.

Like, looking back now, I think it was strategic, but...

I don't want to keep...

That's just my opinion.

Yeah, I don't want to ask for your opinion on it.

I just want to factually, I'd like to ask you,

were there a couple calls back and forth that kind of set that up once and for all?

Yes.

He calls me on my way to work.

I decided I'm going to bring my son with me, which wasn't a big deal,

but when I was on my way, he said he calls me...

Hold on a second.

Just to be...

Yeah.

Okay.

I'd seek to confer with our quick staff.

Mr. Rink, can you go on?

Turn them.

Yeah.

We have to see.

Yes.

Thank you.

The last discussion we were having was that you were arranging to meet Mr. Lian

at the north end of a common, is that right?

Yes.

And did he call you about it when you were on your way to CPR training?

He called me...

I think I was putting Kaden in his car seat.

I missed it.

And when I got on the road, I called him back.

And what was the conversation about meeting up?

It was quick.

It was Kelsey on my way to North End of a right now.

My mom just gave me gas money.

I'll meet you at the common at two.

And I said, okay, I love you, bye.

And the phone call had already hung up.

Okay.

And after that, you went to work?

I went to work.

With Kaden.

What was Kaden?

And what was the schedule...

What was on the schedule for today for that day at work?

It was a one-hour CPR training.

So it was going to go to about 2 p.m.

So it was one to two?

Yes.

Did you get there on time?

I think I got there a couple minutes early.

What was the layout when you got there?

Who was there?

Where'd you go?

What was the general mood of you going there?

So I knew it was going to be held in a community room.

I was told prior.

That's where it was going to be held.

So right when you walk through the officer's entrance of the police department,

the community room is the first door on your right.

So I just entered right through there.

And you had your baby?

I did.

And it's fair to say this isn't a visit to the police department where you're in full uniform or anything, right?

No, I was in a t-shirt.

And that's because you're going to be training working on, you know, those rubber...

Tell me you said you trained for CPR with, right?

Yes.

Okay.

Who met you when you got to the police department?

Who was there?

Officer, sorry, Detective Gordon was conducting a training.

I'm sorry, did you say Gordon?

Gordon.

Yeah, G-O-R-D-O-N.

And you saw him?

Yes, he was conducting the CPR training.

Did you see any other friend and colleague officers around that time period?

I saw Lieutenant Domenico as well.

Did you have a chat with him?

We didn't really talk because I was in the middle of the training.

It was just we waved to each other when he was walking out of the door.

What happened with Kate and while you were doing the training?

I asked Detective Gordon if he wanted to hold him.

Because I figured he hasn't held a baby in a long time.

So it's kind of funny seeing that I haven't held a baby in a long time.

And they're like, ah, but...

Did he hold you baby?

He did, yeah.

And it's...

You see someone that you trust to hold your baby?

Absolutely, yes.

Do you let just anybody hold your baby?

No, Officer, Detective Gordon was my drill instructor for my six month police academy.

So he...

I knew him more because of that.

I saw him every day for six months.

Trust him.

Yeah.

And how did the training go?

It went fine.

Normal.

Past.

How long did it take?

It takes about an hour.

What time did you finish?

I think it was around 2 p.m.

Who else did you see while you were at the station?

Just a little time to minute ago, I had texted.

I was supposed to pick up my radio from an administration office upstairs.

And I had texted the person that was giving me the radio and said,

I'm just going to grab it tomorrow because I was more focused on...

Go to the park.

So it's like I can just drive to the station tomorrow and grab my radio.

Were you, quote unquote, on the schedule?

Yes.

And what was the schedule when you were going to start?

I was going on to the day shift, which is eight to four p.m.

And I was supposed to start on July 4th.

You left the police station at about what time?

Detective Gordon walked me to my car.

I probably pulled out around two to a five.

Where'd you go?

I drove down Osgood Street to the common.

Who's this guy Hunter Hassan?

That was one of Justin and I's mutual friends.

That lives in the town of North Endover.

Did you go by his house?

Yes.

So the only logical way to get to the common from the police station is to take Osgood Street,

which is what I did.

And he lives on that street.

So I had to drive by his house when I was on my way to the common.

Did you see anything at his house that surprised you?

Yes.

When I drove by I saw Justin's truck.

And at first I thought nothing of it.

I thought maybe he got into town before I got a training and stopped in like that would be normal.

But then I started noticing other cars.

I recognized there as well.

And those cars were those?

I saw my maid of honor.

Scar, Katrina, Caruso.

I also saw people standing outside near his pool.

I know I saw his sister Courtney, Justin's sister.

And I know I saw Michelle Mitchell, which was another one of my bridesmaids.

So I was like, what is going on?

And this meeting was not something that you knew about?

No.

I was supposed to be meeting Justin.

And Justin was at our mutual friends house with people.

And I just was so thrown off.

I was confused.

Did you actually see Justin as part of those people you saw around his pool?

I drove by quick.

I saw a group of people.

I recognized the trucks and the people I did definitively see.

I know Justin was there from the truck.

Yeah, from his truck.

So in terms of your confusion, are you wondering if he's there?

He got a right to the comment or something like that.

What did you just stop there and say, hey, what are you doing?

Well, because I was just driving by.

And then I was like, well, that was weird.

So I tried calling Justin.

And then that's why it just like communication stopped.

No, he was not answering my texts.

He was not answering any more phone calls.

I even went as far to text his friend Hunter and say,

what is going on right now?

And am I allowed to say what Hunter said back to me?

So did he respond to you?

He did, yes.

Did it affect your state of mind about what was going on?

No, it confused me even more because he said,

oh, everyone's just meeting up for people who forgot things at the house

from the bachelor, bachelor at party that happened a couple days prior.

He said, a room was meeting there to pick up things that they forgot.

And I was like meeting in North and over.

And I was trying to make sense of it.

And I was like, did that answer your confusion?

Yeah, so this person was like, you're on the other question.

So who was, who said this and how?

So I had texted one.

Justin had stopped answering me.

Yes.

I texted his friend, whose house he was at.

I knew he was there because I had to drive by from this is Hunter.

This is Hunter.

Yes.

Okay.

So I texted Hunter and he told me everybody was meeting there to get things that they left at the bachelor

at party.

And so that's in my mind that made me even more confused and didn't make sense because everybody

lives here, there, there, why me in North and over.

Let me stop you right there.

So as a result of that kind of adding to your mindset, sounds like adding to your confusion,

right?

Confusion, yes.

Did you stick to the plan to go meet him at the common or did you divert somewhere else?

No, I went to the common.

And you got there, what time?

It was probably like 2, 10.

And did you wait there with Katie?

Again.

And approximately how long did you wait if you can remember?

It was at least an hour.

I could have been more.

Did you, did, did you ever show up?

You never showed up.

What time, did you make a plan, a decision to get out of there at some point?

Yeah.

I was, I was receiving other phone calls, which were adding to my confusion.

Not what we said, but from whom?

They were from Michelle.

Okay.

And she was the woman who testified here yesterday, right?

Yes.

And she indicated that she was trying to meet up with you and you were-

You get coffee.

And you were trying to focus on meeting with Chuck.

I was trying to meet Justin.

Okay.

Like I love you, I'll call you later, trying to meet my fiance at the park.

To Michelle, you said that.

Yes.

Okay.

Do you go home after that?

Yes.

What time did you go home?

It was at least an hour after 2 p.m.

So sometime around, maybe 3.30.

Because I know I was waiting a while at the park.

Cadence bottle had run out of milk.

So a reformula had gone home.

Now, as you sat here for the last couple of days, you've heard a lot of

business about where you parked your car.

Do you remember that?

Yes.

So you didn't park in your driveway, right?

I know.

And you parked your Jason to a school at 125 Phillips Brooks Road, right?

In my neighbor to my right, his school.

I should say for the record, your home is 125 Phillips Brooks Road.

That's my home.

Single family house in Northand over right next to what school?

The Atkinson Elementary School.

And there's a big parking lot next to your fence line?

Yes.

And when you came back from the common, you parked in there?

Yes.

Why did you park in there?

Because I didn't know what was going on.

I knew something was going on.

I first have my fiance just not showing up to meet me and not talking to me anymore.

And then somebody that doesn't know I saw them trying to call me and they're trying to meet up with me.

I'm trying to meet up with Justin.

And a bunch of other people were there that didn't make sense.

And I thought they were going to come to my house or something.

So I didn't want anyone to know I was home.

So I just parked at school.

Okay.

Did this have anything to do with the Northand over police department?

I had nothing to do with the Northand over police department.

So you parked at the school and as a young new mom, you probably had a lot of stuff you had to carry.

I had his diaper bag.

I had him in his little carrier.

And I think I had my phone in my hand and my house keys.

And you walked around and you went to your door?

Yeah, it was genuinely a 60 second walk to my car from my house.

Sure.

And you went into that porch door that we've seen on the video.

Yeah, my front door.

It needs to be a porch.

And then you got up on the porch and you make a left into another door into the house, right?

Yeah.

What happened when you first got home, what did you do?

I made a gate in a bottle.

I called my mom.

I asked my mom, she would come over because what do I do?

What's going on?

So you wanted some support from mom?

Yes.

Like advice.

My mom's my best friend.

I just, like, I knew she'd come over and maybe like have a difference.

Did you get this out?

Yeah.

Sorry.

I'll withdraw that.

I'm just trying to move it.

What was your...

What was your...

It's a brand-on struggle.

I assume the objection is for leading.

Repeatedly, yes.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah, if you could just stay away from leading, thank you.

What was your state of mind about having mom come over?

I was sad.

I was really confused.

And I wanted her advice.

How far away does your mother live?

She lives in Methamines.

So it was about...

Her house is about 17 minutes away.

But I think she was on her way home from work at the time.

And she has to drive right by my house or my old house.

How did...

How was Kate in that common and getting home?

How was she behaving in terms of fussiness or was okay or sleeping or quiet or what?

I ran out of his bottle while at the common.

I thought I'd brought enough.

I...

If I...

If our plans played out, I would have had enough for the...

Taking a walk in the common.

But because I was waiting for so long, I ran out of his bottle and he started crying.

I drove around.

And then at home you made another bottle and started to administer, given the bottle.

Yes.

Beat him.

Okay.

What time did your mother get there?

Oh, approximately.

Like maybe five to ten minutes after I got home.

And did you visit with your mom for a while and consult with her on the situation?

Yeah.

We sat on my couch while I fed Kate in.

She did some like...

My house was messy so she was just trying to pick up her own house a little bit for me.

And we were talking.

Did she leave at some point?

She did.

When was that?

Probably had her over for about an hour.

Maybe like five o'clock she left.

Was her car in the driveway?

Herze was, yes.

And obviously she got in the car and left in your car.

Yeah, I told her that I was going to be packing and probably going camping with my son,

which is normal for me.

My family owns land.

We call it our happy place.

I've been going there since I was a baby.

So I was going to go there to clear my mind since Justin wasn't going to meet up with me.

I just figured I don't have work till the fourth.

So that's what I'm going to do.

The idea of sitting around.

I just didn't...

No, I'm sorry.

I was just sustained.

So next question.

Why did you want to go up to the land?

To clear my mind.

I've brought Kate in there two times before.

And like her four-month-old baby, he crushed it up there.

He loved it.

So I just thought, I texted Justin.

I'm going to my land.

He knows what that is.

He proposed to me there.

He knows I'd call it my happy place.

And I told him, I'll send you pictures when I get service.

And I love you because there's not good service up there.

And that was the last thing I ever said to Justin.

When your mom pulled out of the driveway,

did you get a visit from the north end of our police?

I heard someone knocking on my front door when I walked up to the porch.

How long after your mom left did the police knock on your door?

I know now approximately three minutes.

And what were you able to do to figure it out pretty well?

My home has a lot of surveillance.

My dad owns a security company.

So my home had a lot of surveillance outside.

So I was just curious, like, how long was it after my mom left?

That the police came?

And I believe it was about three minutes, approximately.

Can you use the video system to refresh yourself on time,

lap time intervals and such?

Yeah, yes.

And while we're on that topic,

are there time stamps on the clips from your house?

Yes.

And do you have any knowledge of the accuracy of those times stamps?

At some point, one of the daylight savings happened.

So my cameras were one hour off.

And how off, like, which way off were they?

Like, if it's at it was five o'clock, it was actually four o'clock.

So it's an hour ahead.

Okay.

It's an hour ahead.

All right.

So in terms of any clips that come from your house,

does the time stamp show hour ahead?

Yes.

Okay.

So are you referring to what's an evidence?

Yes.

Okay.

All of those video clips?

Yes, Your Honor.

I just want to make sure.

Did we say that right?

That the clips are an hour ahead or is the actual clip an hour behind?

I have to think about this.

I'm sorry.

It's okay.

We can come back to it later.

I do that all the time.

It's okay.

How long after your mother left,

did you hear her knock on the door?

Like, three to five minutes.

Where were you when you heard the knock?

I was sitting on the couch feeding Kate in my living room.

What did you do when you heard the knock?

I put the bottle in the coffee table.

I got up with Kate in my arms and I opened up the door.

You walked out on the porch and...

I walked out on the porch.

So there's like two doors.

My front door leads to a porch in area.

I walked out on the porch and opened up the front door for three police officers.

And go where they?

It was Lieutenant Daly, officer Noonan, and officer Houston.

And Lieutenant, let's just go through each of them real quick for a second.

Lieutenant Daly talked about in terms of training and hiring and all that, right?

Yes.

And what about officer Noonan?

What was your relationship at the time with officer Noonan?

He had transferred after I had already started.

We were on the same shift for a brief time on one of our shifts.

There was a really horrible call.

So we'll get to that, but just generally in terms of your relationship.

That's just like how our relationship kind of even started.

That's why I brought it up.

That's how we became like texting each other and kind of more than just like...

Here's my coworker, and I've never talked to you too.

We've had conversations and talked about personal things.

Did you think well of them?

Yes.

And to your knowledge, did you think well of you?

I think so.

So now you mentioned a particular call.

Yes.

Just so we don't have to dwell all over it.

It's a call that involves a murder, suicide,

and the murder victim is a young baby, right?

Yes.

And when was that call?

It was in August of 2024.

Was that response just you and him?

I believe I was the first officer in with officer Quavis,

and then officer Noonan came.

It was like a pretty much when something like that comes over the radio.

Everybody starts heading there.

The call was in my sector.

So I...

The sector I was assigned to that night.

So I was...

The closest was officer Quavis.

So we walked in together.

And just to encapsulate it,

the call involved administering first aid, and it was a difficult call.

Yeah.

And that's kind of the source of when you sort of broke the ice with officer Noonan?

Yeah.

We stood outside of the scene for a long time.

All of us, everybody who was on that call and we talked,

and then the chief had asked us to...

We were like out of commission for the night.

All our officers came in and filled in for us.

And we had like a meeting debrief in the chief's office.

He had pizza delivered.

Okay.

And just in general, fast forwarding all the way to June 30th of 25th.

Did there ever any problems or issues with officer Noonan?

No.

Did you ever...

Did your knowledge, did you ever have any problems or issues with you?

No.

So there's Noonan.

And then who's the third officer there?

Officer Houston.

And we saw him testify as well yesterday, right?

Yes.

And what was your relationship with Officer Noonan?

Noonan or Houston?

I'm sorry.

Houston, thank you.

I was closer with Houston.

Probably the three of the people that were at my house that day.

Houston and I were friends.

He came to my engagement party.

He was invited to my wedding.

We have the same type of dog.

I don't think they've had before the dogs.

I mean, yeah.

He's a work friend.

He's a work friend.

Yeah.

So these three come to the door.

What are the circumstances of how they come in the house?

Did you let him in or how did that happen?

I opened the door and the tenant daily immediately put his foot on my front porch.

And we didn't just come in.

And I was like, OK, all right?

I didn't hear that one.

I think they won.

I opened the door.

The tenant daily put his foot into my porch.

And they just said, we need to come in.

And I said, OK.

And then did you turn around and communicate and walk back in the house and they followed you?

Yes.

So what happened when you, the four of you, the five of you,

got into the living room?

They asked me, the tenant daily asked me to put Caden down in his car seat.

They referred to it as a rocker.

It does rock.

But it was his car seat.

And I was in the middle feeding him.

So when I put him down, he was obviously crying.

And I was like, whatever this is, I'm going to hold to my son.

Because they had a folder.

I knew they were going to give me something.

Wasn't it?

At that moment.

Yeah.

Did you have any idea what was going on?

No.

I knew something was going on.

I was a police officer in my house, my coworkers.

But when they told me to put Caden down, I was like a little hesitant.

Because I'm in the middle feeding him.

And then I listened.

I put him down.

And he started crying.

And I was like, no.

I'm going to hold my son, whatever this is.

Like, I'm going to feed my baby and read it.

So I had Caden back up.

And I had him on my lap while I opened the envelope.

And that's when Lieutenant Daily said, Justin filed a restraining order against you.

So you're trying to read it and he's talking to you on the baby's crying?

Nope.

Baby's crying anymore.

I picked him up and I'm feeding him.

What did Daily say to you about the situation?

I said, I asked a lot of questions like, why?

I was supposed to meet him at the park.

A couple hours ago, I'm confused.

He said he didn't know anything.

And I said, do you have the app David?

So I can read what I'm being accused of.

And they didn't.

And they said they didn't know the details.

And he said that Caden was on it as well.

Did that affect your state of mind?

Yes.

House so.

I knew in that moment I was going to have to hand my four month old to a police officer.

To be brought out of my house.

How did that make you feel?

I don't know if there's a word.

It's sad.

Were you able to have a minute or two to kind of comprehend it or did something else immediately happen?

I comprehended it.

I was asked to pack a bag for Caden for about two weeks.

Who asked you that?

Lieutenant Daily said the court order.

I mean, the court date was in 14 days.

So he said pack enough for two weeks.

He said that to you?

Yes.

So you didn't take it upon yourself to want to do that?

No, they told me that I needed to pack a bag for Caden because he was going to go be with Justin for at least the two weeks until the next court date.

Who was there when that came up?

That was when the three of them were all in my living room.

Did Houston or Newton say anything at this point?

No.

I knew if I put Caden back in his car seat, he was going to cry.

He loves being held.

So the plan at that point was to go get some stuff?

Yes.

So we had to put Caden somewhere.

Yes.

And what did you do?

I indicated to Officer Newton.

Why did you give him to Officer Newton?

I mean, like I could say, I trusted all of them.

But I knew Officer Newton.

So I know Officer Houston has no kids and I knew.

Daily it seemed like preoccupied and I knew Newton had kids.

So I guess that's probably what went through my mind, but it really wasn't that much of a thought.

I knew I had to have someone hold him because I didn't want him screaming in his car seat on the ground.

Was he someone that you trusted to do that?

Yes.

What happened when you had your baby to Officer Newton?

He took in from my arms.

And what about the bottle?

He took the bottle as well.

What did he do with respect to the bottle and Caden?

He was trying to feed him.

Did Officer Newton exhibit any resistance or discomfort or anything with respect to hold in the baby?

No, I think he said like, oh, I haven't done this in a while, like something like that.

What was your intention at that point to do?

I didn't have to pack his bags.

And are you, as you're starting to go figure that out in terms of luggage, what do you need, where's he going, etc.

Are you having kind of an unfolding thought process, if you will?

I'm just asking what she's thinking.

What are you thinking?

So it took my grabs, one of my duffel bags.

And I first went in the kitchen and as I was putting the bottles in the bag,

it was just kind of like all setting in exactly what was happening.

And there was just so many unknowns.

And as I was packing things, I was like, I just, okay, Justin, just broke up with me via restraining order.

We have a wedding in four months.

Keaton is not going to be with me for two weeks.

That's an eternity for a mom, any mom.

And then everyone was just brushing over the fact that it was two weeks.

And it was like two weeks without Keaton.

And I was, I just kept in my mind was just going fast.

I can't work overtime because I have a son now.

I can't afford my home by myself without overtime.

It was just, I lost everything.

Even my dog, he was on the restraining order.

Maverick, my dog Maverick was on the restraining order.

So, my son, he was my dog.

So I saw my baby go, my fiance, my dog, my house.

And I knew that was going to be my job too.

Because whatever I was accused of wasn't good if at restraining order.

And you didn't have the affidavit?

No.

Where did you go after you went to the kitchen of the duffel bag in the vans?

I went all around the house because his diapers were in one room on shelves.

His bottles and formula were in the kitchen.

His toys were in the living room.

And his books and stuff were upstairs.

What was close?

Tell us what you did on the first floor before you got upstairs.

What was the packing there?

On the first floor was bottles and formula.

And he was just getting introduced to purees.

And I had just ordered purees from targets.

So I packed all those two.

Then I went into the, thank you.

I went into, it was like our exercise room.

I had shelving on the wall.

And there was just like a ton of boxes of diapers.

I just put those aside and was like two weeks locked at hers.

So take the boxes.

And then I went upstairs.

All right, before you got upstairs.

Part of the order was that you had to give up your firearms, right?

Yes.

Did you say anything to the officers about the location of your firearms?

Yes, I did.

What did you say?

I told them that they were in the basement.

Was that true?

No.

Why did you tell them?

Because I didn't want them to take them away.

Why not?

Because I wanted to be alone with my firearm and take my life.

When did you make that decision?

I made that decision as I realized.

I had just lost everything in a 15 second conversation with my coworker.

Where were your firearms?

They were upstairs.

In a green safe.

And you're better?

In my bedroom.

No, I'm sick.

Also, thank you.

So you went upstairs?

Did you mention?

Yes.

What was your state of mind at that point, whether or not Justin was coming over or not?

I didn't think Justin was coming over.

I knew that Keaton was going to Justin, but I would never think Justin was coming over.

Why not?

That's just not normal practice to put a plaintiff and defendant in the same room intentionally.

Usually you're doing the opposite as a police officer, so I didn't think Justin was announced.

And the opposite being what's the opposite of what they did here?

They let Justin in my house.

So what's the normal procedure?

Normal procedure is to separate people.

It's like the first thing you do on any call or there's any sort of argument you separate.

Now, you've served restraining orders, you mentioned, right?

Yes.

Is there a provision in those orders for accessing property?

I don't know about specific provisions.

I can tell you what I've done before on a call where there was a restraining order involved.

I don't know if it's a provision or not, though.

We'll move on from there.

Okay.

So you were going to go upstairs?

Yes.

And you made that awful decision already?

Yes.

What was your state of mind about whether or not you wanted to involve any police officers in that?

I didn't want to involve anybody I was trying to get everybody away from me.

Why didn't you want to involve any police officers in that?

These police officers in particular.

I wanted to be alone so I could kill myself.

I decided that I was going to take my own life.

I didn't want to involve anybody else in that.

I just...

Okay.

Did you go upstairs back and forth a couple times or did you just go up there once?

I think I went up at...

I think I went up at least twice the second time I went up what I was up there for a while.

Do you remember who accompanied you on each of these trips?

It was Officer Houston and Officer Nunean.

Was that the first time or the second time?

That was the second time.

Was there a visit upstairs before that Houston and Nunean visited?

Yeah.

I was trying to hand them things so they would go away.

Where did that happen?

That happened upstairs.

So I was first in the room.

You walk up there's landing.

The room on the left is Keedons' room.

I went in there first and I put books

in the car seat because Justin struck the car seat.

And I handed it...

I don't even know who I handed it to.

One of them.

Nice.

Can you bring the downstairs?

What happened after you said that?

Somebody brought it downstairs and then they came back up.

So you struck out in terms of what you testified to earlier?

Yeah.

I just kept trying to hand them things to make them go away.

Meaning, what do you mean make them go away?

Be more specific if you care.

Oh, you got it.

What was the plan?

I knew if I pulled out my firearm in front of a police officer,

I would get shot.

That was not my intention and that's not what I did.

I was trying to get them away from me so that didn't happen.

So they weren't put in that position because I'm not dumb.

I was a police officer.

If someone takes out a gun in front of you, yes.

That's a threat.

Yes.

That's somebody that you probably feel threatened from.

So what if you want to kill yourself?

Why not just let it happen that way?

That's no.

That's selfish.

I would never do that.

Even looking back now, like reflecting for nine months,

I think my decision to do it to myself was selfish to everybody who loves me.

I'll just leave it that way.

I wanted to kill myself, me and my gun.

No one else involved.

How many different times did you try to have the officers transport some stuff downstairs?

Several.

At some point did officer Houston leave the second floor?

Yes.

And that left who up there?

Officer Nunean.

So upstairs it was officer Nunean and yourself?

Yes.

At some point did you go across that landing to the other room?

Yes.

Tell us about that.

I was on the floor packing more clothes in the doffel bag.

In which room?

My bedroom.

Okay, hold on.

The stairs are right.

Okay, so you finish up in the other room and you go to your room?

Yes.

All right.

Tell us circumstances of where do you go, where does Nunean go, when you go into your bedroom?

So nobody came into my bedroom with me.

I was asked, I can't even say who exactly, like I don't know if officer Houston had come back up at the time,

but somebody asked me, who is that downstairs?

And I said, I have no idea.

And off.

Let me ask you a little bit about that.

What was your state of mind about you being asked that?

What were you thinking about?

I was like, I don't know.

Did you hear anybody come in?

No, but they did.

I was, because they were on the landing, they would be able to.

I was like more into my bedroom than them.

So I was like, I have no idea who's here.

Shouldn't you guys know?

What happened next?

Officer Houston walks down the stairs first.

Officer Nunean followed him.

Down several steps.

Did that give you a chance to do anything?

That was, I knew my only chance to be alone with my firearm.

I'm going to show you six different ones.

What's shown in Exit 51?

That's my bedroom.

That's the room on the top of the landing to the right.

Where's the photographer standing in this picture?

He's standing in the doorway.

When you went to go get that firearm,

was there anyone in your view in that landing?

No.

Is this after you saw Nunean depart?

Yes, his back was turned towards me.

He was following Officer Houston downstairs.

Did he stay that way or did he disappear from that scene?

Well, he must have turned around at some point and walked back up the stairs.

You know how when you're near somebody that's going up and downstairs,

you can hear no off the downstairs.

Did you hear any particular number of steps?

No, I'm certain I heard him and saw him walk down several steps.

And how did that affect your state of mind at that very instant?

I knew that was my moment.

Did you what?

Kill myself.

What did you do?

So that shoe box was not on top of the green safe.

At the time you were doing this?

At the time, yeah.

There was nothing on top of the safe.

And you were referring for the record.

There's an orange line box in the picture.

Yeah, it looks like it.

That we were talking about.

It looks like a shoe box.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, I'm just going to give you a moment to catch up.

Yeah, absolutely.

Sorry.

Did you see that that box was not on?

What did you say about that box?

That box was not there.

The top of that chest.

I'm calling it a safe.

It's a chest.

That box.

That's where I kept my firearms.

The top of it.

Nothing was on it.

So whatever was placed there after.

That was not there before.

Thank you.

Where are you going?

Yes.

What about the chair?

Is that how the chair was?

The chair was turned the other way.

Because that was the chair I would rock it.

And that was not facing that way.

The back of the chair was up against the wall, yes.

So it's kind of like as you'd expected to be in the room.

Yeah, I would need to pivot like this to be right.

So it was probably moved to my room this small.

And to get out your guns in there,

you kind of have to flip up the top of that chest.

Yes.

Where were you?

Where was your focus in terms of?

The firearm, the chest,

whether an unit's coming back, where are you focused?

I was just like hurry out before somebody comes back.

And what did you get?

I grabbed the gun out of the chest.

I put it up to my chest here.

So what was going on with you putting it up to your chest?

What was that all about?

What do you mean when you say you put it up to it?

Like I just made a motion to your stomach area, right?

Yeah, like I just grabbed it quickly.

I bent over, grabbed it.

Put it here, took two steps backwards.

And I don't want to make the motion of what I did.

Because it's horrible.

But I put the gun out to my head.

Which hand?

My right hand.

And where on your head did you put it?

Just describe it.

My temple.

Was Newton in the door frame by now?

Not yet. He had just walked in.

Like when I pulled the trigger on myself.

With the gun pointing towards my head.

What happened when you pulled the trigger?

He said, Kelsey know.

Kelsey know.

I pulled the trigger.

I'm sorry, but I said fuck.

What happened next?

I got shot.

How long after you said that did you get shot?

I don't even think I got to the K and the word before I was shot.

What, was that feel like?

What part?

Getting shot and chest.

Did the force of that bullet knock you in any particular direction?

It knocked me backwards.

Do you recall what happened with your firearm?

I got moved.

I'm sorry, I got a question.

Right at that point, as you're shot and you're flying back or falling back,

whatever you want to call it, can you remember what happened with your firearm?

It fell out of my hands.

It was to my head and it fell out of my hand.

And I fell on the ground and the firearm fell on the ground.

A couple of questions before we move on.

At any point, when you were doing that, when you had the firearm up to your head,

was noon in present during the time you raised the firearm to your head?

Like when I motioned up to my head with it?

Correct.

No, he was not in the room, nobody was in the room.

When noonin came into your view, where was the gun pointed?

The gun was pointed at my temple.

At any point, did you move the muzzle of that gun towards noonin?

No, never.

Did you move it anywhere?

No, never.

Did you ever intend to harm noonin?

No, never.

What did you know about noonin's kind of personal circumstances in your time getting to know him?

He was like, I mean, so he was a cop for a long time and I was considered like a rookie.

After, I had like a few really bad calls in a row and everybody kind of knew it.

And the senior guys would like check in on me and give me advice.

And he was one of those people and he told me his own personal experience with like calls

and how to handle them when they're bad.

So what was his family situation?

I met his wife.

I knew he had a son just by like talking.

Did you want to involve him in your tragedy?

I didn't want to.

I didn't want to involve anybody.

I wanted to take my own life.

I never pointed the gun at a fellow police officer.

It never happened.

When you went on to the ground, what did noonin do after a shot?

I thought he walked away and looked at a daily came over to me and then I think noonin walked back over to me.

And like I couldn't really, I couldn't say anything really, but I couldn't breathe.

And I think I was just like, why did you do that?

It hurts.

It hurts.

And then I just wasn't able to do that.

I said why?

Like why?

Why?

And he was holding my hand.

Officer noonin was holding my hand.

And I said why?

I was so confused.

Why?

Where was daily?

Daily was there.

What was he doing?

He was on the radio.

I don't know what he said exactly on the radio, I'm assuming.

So you get shot and you get shot in the chest, right?

Yeah.

Lower chest.

What, after being shot, what was your, how did that affect your ability to sound like a lawyer?

How did that affect your ability to perceive things and recollect things?

I went into like a huge adrenaline shock.

It didn't feel like normal pain.

It almost felt like absent pain, but it felt like my entire body was burning.

I was completely alert, completely awake the whole time.

I was speaking as much as I could.

My lung was punctured, so that's why I was having trouble breathing.

But other than that, I was very alert and aware of my surroundings.

Where were you laying in the room?

I was laying between my bed and the wall where the air conditioner is.

Were your legs parallel to the foot of the bed or somewhere else?

I think so, yeah.

I think that they were.

Were you bleeding?

Yes.

Is that the way you wanted this to happen?

No.

What do you remember next?

The fire department got there fast.

It felt really fast.

They put me in like a bag.

They were all tall guys, and I knew that my ceiling would bump your head if you're over like 5-10.

So when they were carrying me down, I said, watch your heads.

They brought me outside, and I think when I was still in my house, one of the firefighters was trying to put oxygen on my face.

And I was taking it off and just saying, I wanted to die.

I wanted to die.

Did you make any apologies at any point?

I think I said, I'm sorry.

I tried to kill myself.

I wanted to die.

I just didn't understand what just...

I don't know what just happened.

I tried to shoot myself, and then I got shot in the chest.

Nothing really made...

I was just in total disbelief and shock.

Did you, at any point, before you got taken out of there, did you hear a newman saying anything about what happened?

No.

Did you see Houston yet?

Yes, he came in, and I think he put medical...

God's on the wounds.

Somebody died. He had the medical bag. I remember that.

Were you able to sort of perceive the first-day techniques they were administering to you?

No. I wasn't paying attention to it.

I was trying to focus on breathing because it felt like I was choking.

It felt like I was drowning.

So they'd bring you downstairs, and at what point in the trip downstairs and out of the house were you trying to take off the mask?

I think the whole time.

When I was in the ambulance, I said to everybody, I'm a fucking idiot.

I just tried to kill myself with an unloaded gun, I'm a fucking idiot.

I said that to everybody.

I said that to the hospital staff.

I said that to all the firefighters.

I probably said that when I was laying on the ground.

Those were the words I just kept repeating.

What were they doing to you in the ambulance before the ambulance departed in terms of working on you?

I got, they were working on getting a med flight.

I had to get a blood transfusion.

I finally agreed to keep the oxygen mask on my face.

They were doing my vitals and just trying to keep me stable before I was going to be transported to the hospital.

And what hospital did you go to?

I was flown by med flight to Massachusetts, General Hospital in Boston.

So by helicopter?

Yes.

And then when you were in the helicopter, was there anybody that you knew in the helicopter?

No, when I was in the ambulance, I was holding on to firefighter, smirk Taiwanese hands.

And can you spell that for the poor?

It's a funny spelling.

Why don't you spell that?

If you can.

His first name is Kevin.

And let me take a crack.

That is it.

SM, I-E-R-T-E-L-N-Y.

Yeah, I think you're right.

And did he go in the helicopter?

No.

He was holding my hand the whole time I was in the ambulance and comforting me.

And I asked if he could go in the helicopter.

I didn't want to let go of his hand.

I asked, can you come in the helicopter with me?

And he said, I can't go on can.

Okay.

So you get in the helicopter, you're transporting, you're getting transported to the mass general, is it?

Yes.

Now, was there another problem with the oxygen in the helicopter?

I either like ran out or shut off.

And I, when you're in a med flight, you're laying down.

And there's a person flying the helicopter next to you.

And I just like tapped him and, like, just sure, I can't.

I felt like I was drowning again.

I felt like I was choking.

I couldn't get a breath.

So I just, like, told him, like, I couldn't talk.

I just stood like to the oxygen.

That was above me.

I wasn't working.

I think they had switched the tank or something or turned it back on.

Something happened.

But my oxygen, oxygen got shut off in the helicopter.

And they had to fix it.

Was that indicative of maybe some kind of a change of heart about whether you wanted to die?

Yeah, I think so.

It's hard to say in those exact moments because it took a lot of healing from the moment I decided to make a suicide attempt to now to be healed mentally.

So I don't know what my exact thoughts were in that moment.

But I know when I got to the hospital, I said, I'm a fucking idiot.

I tried to kill myself with an unloaded gun.

How could I be so stupid?

What was the length of time that you were at Mass General?

Like the length from when I was admitted to discharge.

It was 53 days.

How many operations have you had?

I've had five.

And what were the kind of the main issues that...

The reaction to the relevance.

Reliments?

Just the circumstances you're on of what happens to her.

It's a stink.

May I have a moment, please?

Yes.

Take your time.

Nothing further.

So, Ross, I need to...

Let's take a 10-minute break, please.

Could be 12...

They're the most�ing, right?

That's where...

I go into every call thinking it could be dangerous, but I guess domestic are if that's a fact.

Sure.

Can you just keep your voice up?

Yes, sorry.

Sure.

Well, it will step back and go to every call you think, right?

It could be.

Sure.

Well, you have to treat it that way.

Yes.

Because you don't know what you look forward to walking into.

Domestic calls, like we just talked about, can be especially dangerous,

because you're dealing with people who are sometimes highly movable.

Right.

That's why you always separate when you get to a scene.

And look at that, okay?

And I agree with you.

They need to keep people apart.

Right.

John, excuse me, one moment.

Yeah, you're going to need to ask closer...

Ross, I'm close to people who might have.

Okay.

Thank you.

When you walk into a domestic situation, whether it's restraining order that you're serving,

whether it's a call for some sort of domestic violence, right?

You walk in there with a heightened sense of awareness.

Is that fair or say?

As a police officer, you always have a higher sense of awareness.

But domestics are kind of a different thing, right?

Yeah, I guess so.

And because emotions are a problem.

True?

Yes.

And sometimes the opposite of love isn't hate, it's anger, and things can go in nine different directions in a minute.

Is that fair to say?

Sure.

When you're dealing with someone who you know has a mental health past,

it can be even more volatile, correct?

Volatile.

Yes.

I wouldn't use that word as a pertains to mental health, sir, respectfully.

There is a...

That is a police officer.

There is a heightened sense of awareness, right?

You're taking all the information in it.

In every call, yes.

Yeah.

Well, domestic violence call, you don't agree with me?

No, I do.

I agree with you on every call.

A heightened sense of awareness is key to being a police officer.

So with domestic car accident, anything.

We go to work and a bulletproof fast.

Exactly.

That's my point.

Yeah, we have to do.

When you go to a domestic call, we talk or you talk.

You try to separate people, right?

Yes.

Because if they come together or they're, you can see each other sometimes,

bad things can happen.

Yes.

And so when you walk into a domestic violence situation,

or any situation, right?

Your first order of business is to keep everybody safe.

Fair to say?

Yes.

The people who call, right?

Yes.

Yourself.

Yes.

If you have a partner, you have a partner.

Yeah.

The other officers, yeah.

If there are family members there, you want to keep them safe.

True.

Yes, police officers.

Your job is to keep everyone including yourself safe.

If they're a children, you want to keep them safe?

Everybody.

So, and if you think there are guns in the house,

that is a particularly serious concern for you all, right?

Yes.

For your safety.

Yes.

For the partner's safety.

Yes.

For the children's safety.

For everybody, right?

For everybody.

And you know that, right?

I know that.

And so you know when you walk into a scene,

when you think there may be some mental health issues,

that there may be some weapons,

that you don't take your eyes off of anybody, right?

Yes.

Okay.

So you don't let someone walk into a room by themselves, right?

You shouldn't know.

You should have.

And I think with the officer Houston,

you should be in their pocket, right?

I'm not familiar with that phrase.

Did you say that?

You did.

Okay.

Well, not familiar.

You should be right near it, right?

Yes.

Because at any point, someone could grab a weapon.

True.

Use a weapon.

Yeah.

True.

And especially when there's a heightened sense of volatility

on some of these thoughts, right?

Yes.

And you know that as a police officer, right?

Yes.

And that's just kind of common sense anyway, right?

Yes.

And you've been trying to do that.

Yes.

And so you don't take your eyes off any of the parties.

True.

True.

You don't leave them alone.

True.

That's what you're trained to do.

That's what you're supposed to do.

And that's pretty much common sense of what you do.

That's what you're supposed to do, yes.

Right.

Okay.

You agree on that?

We do.

Now, if there is a...

You are a police officer,

so you know other divisions of the forces, right?

Like SWOT.

You want to just name what SWOT is, right?

I was a very new police officer.

I was only on for about two years.

I'm not familiar with SWOT.

I know a little bit.

Okay.

So we'll talk about what you know.

Okay.

SWOT is a special weapons shack.

Yeah.

I know that.

I don't know exactly what their job functions are or what they do.

Do you understand that they respond to highly volatile situations that are dangerous?

Yes.

If there is a weapon involved, someone's varicated,

there's an active shooter, they respond.

Yeah, they go to everything that's bad.

Because they're highly trained to deal with those situations.

True.

True.

They're the ones who see guns all the time,

see violence all the time,

and have to react to a weapon.

True.

True.

Because there's not a recall involved weapon.

Some of them are.

Every call is very different.

Yeah.

And so what those guys are trained and picked because they deal with that stuff well.

I don't know how they're picked or trained.

I know nothing about their training or the process of becoming on SWOT.

Okay.

Because you know they call them if something happens.

I wouldn't be my job, but my supervisors.

But yes, we can agree to that.

Yes.

They get called to bad things.

I know this.

Maybe if I'm bad things and have to deal with bad things.

Yes.

And you know that as a police officer,

you need to qualify and get trained in order to do certain things.

If you're on a domestic violence officer,

you may have to be trained in domestic violence to be in a unit like that.

Yeah.

I mean, we didn't have that on my department,

but I have heard of that on other departments like a domestic violence detective

would probably be trained more in that sense.

Right.

So there's sometimes specialties.

Yes.

And that people focus on the pillar prepared to deal with better than other people.

Yes.

Okay.

Um, officer, officer Nuneb was on the SWAT team.

You know that, right?

You know that.

I know that now.

Okay.

You knew he started in the end over.

That's where he began.

I knew he started in North End over.

Sorry.

You know what the end over?

And then he went to law.

Yes.

And lawrence is really a difference atmosphere

than North End over.

You agree with me there?

Yes.

No, it's the end over.

No, it's the end over.

It does get the flood end of lawrence.

So there's some cross over.

Yes.

If you know what that cross over it.

Yes.

True.

It's not to disparage any community, right?

But lawrence has more guns than North End over.

I think so.

I don't know off personal knowledge, but I would assume.

Okay.

Do they have more gains?

Yes.

I don't know.

Yes.

They have more drugs?

Yes.

They have more violence?

Yes.

They have more need for people who can deal with that stuff.

Correct?

Yes.

Okay.

And you know that officer Newton worked in lawrence for years.

I did know that.

Yes.

You did know that, right?

Yeah, I did.

And then he came back.

Did you say you were on the job or not on the job of heating back?

Yes.

I was already on the job when he came back.

Okay.

And you know he came back from lawrence, right?

And when he came back from lawrence, it was really, it was the most experienced person on

the force at this point, right?

From what he invests for him?

I didn't know his experiences.

Okay.

You knew that he was.

I honestly thought I looked at my lieutenants like as that for me.

Officer Newton, back when you were on the job, you looked up him.

Yeah, I looked up to all the senior officers that were willing to train me or give me any type

of advice.

Well, we're talking about officer Newton.

He did that.

So, yes.

Yes.

You looked up him.

You knew he was experienced.

Correct.

Yes.

You knew he was a viable kind of guy that he was going to teach you well.

Yes.

He went to him for that.

I went to him for advice.

And he went to him for advice because he thought he knew what he was doing, right?

He went through the ringer.

He told me, he reached out to me and told me that, you know, he's been on back calls before.

And this is how he handles it.

Right.

And you appreciated that.

I did.

And it seemed like that was true with the advice he gave him.

Yes.

Yes.

I don't know that about it.

Yes.

Okay.

Justin's a different story in your life, correct?

Justin.

Mom.

On June 30th, you had said that what was happening was a surprise.

I don't know if you used those words, but the meaning you gave off was this came out of you, right?

I was very confused.

You were confused.

But when I didn't get into it, but stuff that happened that weekend before, that Saturday, Saturday night,

that would have given you something that something was wrong, right?

I was aware of me and Justin were in an argument.

I was aware of the second I woke up in the morning.

That's why we were planning to meet.

So it wasn't a surprise that there was some strife between you and him at that point.

No, I knew that.

I'm saying it was more surprised about being ditched at the common and the police involvement.

Those were the police.

Well, the police had come to your house on Monday to check me on you, correct?

If I got accused of...

I'm not asking you what you were accused of.

They came to see if I was OK.

They thought I was an car accident.

I was never in a car accident.

OK.

But they came to you because they were...

They thought I was in a car accident.

And on the Monday...

Somebody told them that.

On the Monday.

Well.

OK, we'll get back to that.

OK.

On the Monday, you were surprised by this order, correct?

Yes, I was surprised by the order.

And you say that you have no idea why this has happened.

Great.

You eventually think that your...

Well, you know, Katie's going to be taken away from you for a show here at the time, right?

You say short.

And that's fine.

But he was four months old.

And it was 14 days.

That's an eternity for me.

How great you got.

How great you got.

Thank you.

That is a significant amount of time right here.

Yeah, sure.

So that was devastating to you, right?

Yes.

Yes.

It was Justin who was doing that, right?

Who wasn't the police?

No.

Right.

Who went to court who said I should have custody of that child, correct?

Correct.

And so that's who was doing these things, right?

Yes.

So that's who your anger was focused on, right?

I mean, I don't even know if I got to the point of grieving of anger yet.

I don't think I was there yet.

But if any emotions, any of my emotions were directed towards somebody,

it would be Justin.

Yes.

Because you felt betrayed.

I did.

And you knew he was going to give to you.

I knew that I had to give Kate and to the police for the police to give Kate and to Justin.

You know the police don't take custody of children, right?

I don't know that.

Your time as a police officer, have you ever been actually taking custody of the child or left?

I have.

So you're telling this poor.

You're telling the judge that if there is not a family member to take a child because something happens,

that you actually take the child and leave.

You don't call DCF?

Well, you always file a 51A officer.

And then they come to the home and they take it, right?

So I guess the call I went on was different.

I did end up taking the juvenile in my police car.

I drove her to the police station where she met with family members.

So how old was this person?

She was maybe 12.

You were talking about infants, right?

You wouldn't transport an infant.

No, I guess.

I guess.

There are two.

The council's testifying about facts.

There are two of them.

They're sort of being suggested as if they're gospel,

which might mislead the witness.

Okay.

So, overall, but Mr. Gubitosi can just allow Ms. Fitson to complete her answer.

Just like all witnesses, I don't want you for some speaking over one another.

Of course.

Thank you.

So you agree with me that DCF typically come and get an infant, right?

Yes.

I've never personally had a call with...

Well, okay.

Let's just talk about the clearly.

You said you...

I think so.

I don't...

I can't tell you for sure.

Well, let's just talk about your career.

When did you graduate the academy?

May of 2024?

Yes.

Okay.

And you went out on leave on when?

I went late duty while I was pregnant.

I was about 20 weeks pregnant when the duty belt didn't clip anymore.

Okay.

So, what you went out on February 16th, that was Kate's birthday, right?

That's your official leave?

Yeah.

That's my official leave.

Okay.

So, 20 weeks in Pee was...

So, you do the math.

How many months were you actually on the road?

Okay.

Let's see.

I was like seven months and then I was late duty.

So, I graduated the police academy in May of 2024.

And I went out on maternity leave February 16th of 2025.

So, you're actually just on the road for seven months?

Oh, late duty.

You're not on the road because...

I mean, you're pregnant.

Yeah.

So, you're choice to stay in the station and work that way, right?

Yes.

But you're actually on the road going to calls, doing the dirty work as a police officer just for seven months, right?

Yes.

Now, I'm going to jump back to June 30th at the house after this town, right?

You called your mom.

You asked to do that and they let you do that, right?

There's no prohibition.

Are you talking about after the police?

Yes, after the police.

Yes, I called my mom.

And you came?

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, she called her your best friend, right?

My mom is.

Your best friend, right?

And so, you could have talked to her, right?

Yes.

Just in a ride.

June, you came in the house, right?

You're pregnant.

No.

You didn't dare come in the house?

No.

You knew he was coming to get the baby.

I never expected a police officer to allow the victim or plaintiff in a case to enter the home

where the defendant is.

Well, you knew she was getting the child.

Yeah, but I thought, I thought that,

I passed Caden off to walk outside.

I never thought, or I never knew Justin was in my home.

Did you knew he was coming to the house?

I thought they would do it at the school, but yes.

I mean, I knew he was going to be in the vicinity.

I never expected or knew he walked through my front door.

When you went upstairs,

and we talked about that green chest, you called it, correct?

Yes.

Was it locked?

No.