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Ken Admits He's Nearly Alone Rooting for the Browns to Win Sunday

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Ken Carman doubles down on his lonely prediction that the Browns beat Jacksonville, backed only by a text from Coach Lance and a caller from Charleston, while fielding a caller who openly admits he wants the team to lose to hasten the end of the Deshaun Watson era. The conversation spirals into a heated debate over how much blame belongs to Andrew Berry, with Ken defending the Carson Schwesinger pick while Anthony and a caller hammer the GM over the offensive line overhaul and the fallout from the Watson trade. Old wounds reopen around John Dorsey's role in setting up the front office chaos that led to Watson getting $230 million guaranteed.

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Ken Admits He's Nearly Alone Rooting for the Browns to Win Sunday

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The Ken Carman Show with Anthony LimaKen Admits He's Nearly Alone Rooting for the Browns to Win Sunday. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.

I'm going to be a little bit more about it. I'm going to be a little bit more about it. I'm going to be a little bit more about it. Coming up at 820. Darryl Ryder going to join us on the show. D-Ryke, guess who just texted me. Coach Lance. Ooh, he's like, I think what he said. I think we're the only two who are making the brats and he's picking them confidently. My voice is getting a little bit shaky because I haven't had this much blowback in a long time over some and he's like, I'm picking them, and I'm picking them confidently. I go, I'm like, coach, you and I might be the only ones who are doing it. And the difference is that I've made predictions or made picks before. I've made them right, but nobody cares. Guys, do you want Ken to guarantee a win for the Cleveland Brown? Yeah, I'm going to set his head there. So, you, you, Ken, we need to hear it. Right now, five-year-old.

Let's go. That kid turned out to be the best. Let's go. I guarantee it wins. I guarantee it wins. I guarantee it. And then we lost. I lost again. The first of many disappointments welcome to real life, kids. Can't get them all right. What do you think they're going to be matter about? Having to fill out their 1099 someday or having to deal with the with the brams? They're going to be in the Browns losing. Come to think of it. Some we all got to do. I can get an AI to do my 1099. Damn it. You're right. I'd love to get an AI to complete, you know, first downpasses. I think a lot of people would. But I'm like, man, the difference is is that people are openly calling a stupid coach. And you're the coach. You've coached. I only goof around on a weekend. Like, you're coached. I mean, they're just relentless. I'm going to say they're bad bronze fans. I think they want this to fail and fail as soon as possible. So they're going to take the bronze to lose.

And I think they probably want them to lose. I'd love to know that. I would love to know somebody who just admit. Yes, I want them to lose. I want this to end quite early. We only got a four hour show here. I don't know how many calls we could take if people actually be in Honest. Because I think they hate the quarterback. And I think they don't want them out there. And they think sooner that this ends, the better it is for everybody. And I think they're going to have to pontificate on, hey, it just seems like they're people who don't want them to win. I want to actually hear it from like a bronze fan, a 537 boy, to be like, yeah, Ant, this is one of those times. First time I've ever rooted against them in an open. Is that a real thing? Or is that just something that I've conjured up? Kale and Charleston, South Carolina. You're first up in the fan. Yeah, guys, I agree. Browns are going to win. You're with me. You're with me. I'm with you. You're with me. You're with me. Yeah, man. I went to the game in Jacksonville Week 2, 2024.

It was a slopfest. Browns 1, 18, 13 to Sean was the quarterback. There's a ton of browns fans down here. I think I wouldn't call it a takeover, but there's going to be more browns fans than you think. And something else to consider. If Jacksonville, if their fans saw the Sean's press conference and know they can get in this head, he is going to get his face boot off. Well, Jacksonville, you just, you just, you just, you just gave me a terrible, a terrible thought. If there's going to be that many Browns fans, are they going to be booing him when he goes out there in Jacksonville on Sunday? Absolutely. It's a three hour drive for me. We're going to make the trick. And as many fans as there are down here in the southeast, you know, these two weeks between Jacksonville and Tampa, these are our two weeks to see our brownies. So we're going to, we're going to go there and we're going to support. But there may be a good amount of booing even for these away games for the Sean.

Well, you see an usual timescale. Thank you for the call. I hope you have a safe trip and a fun trip. And I hope you bring back a Wendick Charleston, South Carolina from the Browns. Usually, I think that, at least over the last decade, I think that crowds are a bit overrated in professional football. College football, I'm still in. I think crowds are a little bit overridden in pro football because I think they see us all as gray faces, same people. And I think the guys are, you know, weather is the same thing. It's like, yeah, they're all from the South or they're all from the West. You know, there's not that many guys who are just Midwest. And they get drafted by Midwest teams. It's kind of all a big mix and it's all the same. But if you got a guy who's basically let everybody know that the fans are in his head, there's no basically about it. He's let everybody know the fans are in his head. And you got your own fans down there. And I'm saying to you, like, Kale's one, I know I'm in a vast minority. So it's me, Kale and Coach Lance, who are picking the Browns. And again, there's people who are picking against the Browns, who are Browns fans,

and they want it to go badly. Sorry, you're going to have people down there in Jacksonville. Remember, I didn't think they'd go to a preseason game to boo the quarterback. And I was wrong about that. Are they going to go to a game in Jacksonville when they're already living in Florida to boo the quarterback? They vary what made well. Well, it's one thing to go into the first game of the year and act like, hey, everything's fine. I got all that bad stuff out of my system. Yeah, that's what Todd Monkin told us earlier in the week when he came on the show. It's one thing to say it, but it's another thing once you get dropped on a third and 12. You throw the ball over the middle, it gets tipped and picked off. And all of a sudden, your team is down 10, nothing. And your teammates are looking for answers and they're looking around and wondering if you're the guy to leave the team. It's a totally different set of circumstances. So, you know, oddly enough, like let's see. Let's see how he handles it. I know how I think he's going to handle it. But let's see. I got to give him some just the smallest in the world benefit of the doubt. Let's see. You haven't played football in two years. That last time we saw him as a preseason game.

Let's see. This is a guy. It was a long time ago. This was a guy that was one of the more confident quarterbacks in a league and had a national championship at college and was one of those dogs that we talk about as an NFL quarterback. That's a long time ago. Is that is that guy still in him? Is it somewhere in the recesses of him? I don't know. Let's see. Let's see on Sunday. I'm going to walk to an anchor and Walter your next up on the fan. Hello. Good morning, gentlemen. Morning, Walter. Go ahead. Unfortunately, I'm not agreeing with you. I think they're going to lose. And unfortunately, even more importantly, I want them to lose. The guy who is dodging all the responsibility that needs to be getting it is Andrew Barry. Every loss is a closer get rid of this experiment. I have no idea how a guy can make the loss and trade who can fiddle around with the draft in the third round quarterback. In the fifth round quarterback. I don't know how I've never seen a general manager ruin a team more over and over and avoid responsibility.

You've got to go. I hope all those brown fans down in Jacksonville go to the grocery store and buy brown paper bags. Walter, I want you to stay here for a moment. Do I call him a bad brown fan? I just think it'd be really annoying to have to wear a paper bag for a game. That'd be one of the most uncomfortable things. I'm not as annoying as Andrew Barry has one function to create a 53 man roster and he hasn't been able to do it effectively. He can't get out of the zone with even when he's dealt a decent hand. Well, right now, Walter, it doesn't look great. They won eight games over the last two years. I mean, I can try to defend the last two drafts. Can I put any of the blame on Deepadesta though? Walter, can I please scapegoat Paul DeBadesta? Please. I don't know if you're going to be able to do that myself, Ken. Listen, he's been gone. The last two drafts have been good. You haven't hated the last two drafts. I heard this. No, I don't hate them. If the best player of your draft has his most special skill, Carson Swellsinger, is tackling a running back.

Like, you either special guy touch the football or touch the quarterback. Swellsinger doesn't either. I mean, Walter, Walter, Walter. I listen, I can hear you out until then. He's a fabulous player. They could have done. They could have done way worse. I mean, we're talking, yeah, but Walter, Walter, you're talking about the DPO. You're talking about the defensive rookie of the year. Like, we can beat Nick Pickey on things and you may end up being right, okay? This guy was the offensive rookie of the year. Sean was taken worst overall or second overall. He was taken in the first round. This is the second round guy to UCLA. I openly admitted I couldn't rip the pick because I wasn't watching him when I was watching UCLA. Walter, you asked and I'm trying to answer you. The whole run is the role the guy plays, who's the jewels of crown for the draft class. If the role he plays and I'm not taking anything away from him personally, the role he plays,

is one step up from a special teamer. He's an inside linebacker in 2026, 10 in sub-package football. Andrew Berry cannot say, yeah, I know, Dishon walked in. It was kind of a disaster. Is he good in coverage? Is he still? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. They're all disasters. But wait a minute. I drafted Carson. So, what's your comment, dude? I still need well, no, Carson. You're going to be a passenger, Engle Savus job, Walter. Thank you for the call. It's not going to save his job. But it's the second round there. It wasn't like he had a cha... Okay, he could have taken Tyler's shook, but they weren't taking Tyler's shook. So, I don't want to hear that. And I don't think Tyler's shook as the answer to all the dreams of everybody out there. He could end up having a nice season, maybe I have to re-evaluate that. But I just think that Carson's swastened yours is the wrong one to attack. And I will openly admit, that's why I can't give... I'm not going to give Walter the boot, couldn't give Walter the boot, because I will say, wholeheartedly, I like Andrew personally. I've been very critical of the job that Andrew's done. And yes, there is a big part of me that is hoping and hoping and hoping

that I can use Paul de Bidesta, who I didn't care for, as a scapegoat. I am hoping that. So, I am voluntarily telling everybody I'm putting my head in the sand when it comes to those two people. Carson's swastened yours isn't the only one that I think that he did well with. But when we're talking inside linebackers, we're talking coverage linebackers, guys, who can make tackles. I got Carson's swastened yours and he should be able to play well for me for a decade. And he should be a really good football player for me for a decade. That's what I need in the second round. Yeah, I don't even talk about Carson's swastened yours. I mean, I just think it's the wrong example to use against Andrew Bidesta. I think it's the chance to be all pro this year. If you're going to go after Andrew Berry, I think you just go after the fact that they had to just replace the entire offensive line. That's not a normal thing for us. It's some really good GM. 100%. You can do that. And you can say, well, what do you mean, Kenny? You've been talking about how thin this defense is and the secondary. Maybe it's a defense that could have used MJ Emerson. See, I'm giving the arguments against me defending Andrew Berry for you. I'm giving you a open book. That's something we have to pay attention to this year. What are you going to say, Owen?

I just, I couldn't agree more with Walter when it comes. Oh, Carson's swastened. Oh, when it comes, I, yes, you got the best one. He's great. 20 tackles does not in a game does not win you a game. Well, but we're not saying no one is going to sit here at the end. And if his job's on the line, it's a nobody on, but Anthony, Anthony, I'm so used to saying he's crazy. Owen, nobody is saying that he should say the Andrew Berry's job, but you cannot deny that it's been our opinion. And it's been the opinion of many people who know about the man who ran the franchise into the ground with the worst contract, the worst trade and NFL history. Absolutely true. The worst trade and professional sports is true. Absolutely true. So, well, but you got that middle linebacker pick right? I know that that's true. I'm not saying just one middle linebacker though. It's the worst thing that's ever happened in professionals. It is, it is the worst thing. But again, who was a part, who was also part of the swing in a miss and we thought we were going to get closure on it. And instead of getting closure, we're getting and marched out there on the field on Sunday.

I get no closure. Well, if he goes out there and he sucks up the room and gets boot and he freaks out again, you'll get close out there on Sunday and Tampa and guess what I get? He comes back here and he gets boot and then he gets boot on Thursday night against Pittsburgh. And then maybe finally we start to get her. I mean, I'm not using the last. That's not the way I don't know if I can make it another month. I'm not using just Carson. So, I'm not even really trying to defend Andrew Barry. I am openly telling everybody I am using like can we go to 18? I'm you I'm using Paulie Bideste as a scapegoat when it comes out legacy. Now, this is a different conversation. I'm trying to talk about week one, but I what Walter says is the way a lot of people feel about the guy, but I think he's had two very solid draft. I think he's not this draft coming up this year. Had he not screwed it up so bad, we wouldn't be talking about him instead of week one. The week one, I know you want to focus on week one. Well, you can't because if we're looms large over the field, we're going to open up old wounds and fine. Let's go right on ahead and do it.

Can we not share a little bit of responsibility with John who shot everybody else out and decided that he was going to pick Baker Mayfield and then roll people out of the building as patsys and then have them give them false information so they would sell idiots like me. So, I would tell people on the radio so he could smoke out the patsys and then take Baker Mayfield and then they give him way too much power away too soon. No, but John didn't give to Sean Watson 230 million. No, he didn't. No, he didn't because when you have such a drastic, drastic pendulum change when it comes to power, of course, then Paul and Andrew felt they needed to put it in there. Now, didn't they? And it was on that you've come around. Come on. Now, defending Paul DeBittesta. I'm not going to go. No, no, no, no, that's not a defense. That's not a defense of Paul DeBittesta. That's not a defense of Paul DeBittesta. That's an indictment of Paul DeBittesta. I'm out of Paul DeBittesta because then he goes to Colorado and says that he didn't back up any of that. Okay, it's so convenient. You only come around when things are okay and then you could just watch your hands of anything that goes poorly. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Not mad at you. Rubbish is still rubbish. And currently, where's number four? I'm not denying that. I'm not denying it. And the man that brought the rubbish into the field. It is Andrew Barry. He's still in charge. Yes, you're right. So I can give Walter the boot. I mean, I'm at Lime. It was one of Brown's. But you can't but you can't. But oh, and you can't. I mean, of the list of grievances you may have with Andrew Barry. Carson Swester is an example. He's not an example to use against him though. No, I like the repulsive five things. The office. I've weighed everything. I weighed everything equally. The weight of the Sean Watchroom. True. Outweighs anything else that Andrew Barry has done. That's right. That's right. And if he goes out there and he plays poorly, it should shine on Andrew Barry. And frankly, it shouldn't. Hopefully it will because I need to hold people accountable.

Does it matter to you that like a bunch of life? And you know who's going to get swept up underneath that? Who the guy that's starting on Sunday, who's never coached in a NFL game. Does it matter to you that like a third of the league went after to Sean Watson? Like a lot of guys thought it was a good idea to go. No, because it's the it's the hindsight thing. I mean, I get where you're coming from, but like he was really good. Yeah. And nobody else. Nobody else said contracts be damned, money be damned. You know, situations that have never happened before the NFL be damned, we're going to do it. I think I'm actually hit on something though. A Walter was willing to say it. I wonder how many other people are willing to say it that they don't want them to win because all of this. And they want them done with this as soon as possible. And they consider themselves strong bronze fans 216474 to below 92. That someone could definitely get crossed off your QB tracker tomorrow in Texas. King Carm and Anthony Lyme affair or not. It's happening on the face.

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