Ken to Shedeur Truthers: Baker's Contract Proves the NFL Disagrees With You

0:00Thanks to good doctor for joining us. What are you laughing about? What are you laughing about? You're Baker Mayfield, sweet. Why? Amazing. Really? What's the matter with that? Because can we just be honest with each other here? Like, okay, you have got into it with Shudor fans. And it is a little bit much. Now, you know my theory about that. I do think that some of them are bots and burners and things like that. But, you know, like, when they first drafted Shudor last year, it was, you guys haven't seen nothing like his fan base. Like, we were getting warnings. And I'm like, guys, we had Johnny here. We had Baker here. Now, Shudor's fan base is stronger than both of them online. I will tell you that. But today, like, it's my first rodeo with with a strong fan base. And when I'm reading some guy who is supposed to be like a, I mean, anybody can say they crunch film in their bio.

1:04I have no idea how the hell this guy is. We're sitting here saying that he's a top two quarter back in the NFL when healthy. I go, you either don't know what the hell you're looking at or you're right. I mean, he's played a long time now. You never remotely better. Yes. You either are, you either don't know what you're looking at or you're a cult member. Like that. He was he was two things in 2020. Um, even I think in some of the numbers that I look at all the time, he was like up to seventh, but it was, it was really good. And they had one year in Tampa where he was kind of top 10 ish. This is what, this is what they, they kind, they don't really share it because I think the NFL has a lower opinion of Shudor Sanders and what we have of Shudor Sanders as outsiders as fans. The NFL has told you how they feel about Baker Mayfield. The contract shows you how they feel about Baker Mayfield. Is there any question like when we talk about top five cubies, what the hell does that actually mean? Is there any question? Was there any question of the chiefs paying Patrick Mahomes or the bills paying Josh Allen or the bankles paying Joe Burrell?

2:06No, no. For that matter, there is zero question. It's just how you're going to work the numbers. That is, that's why there's that tier that's called elite. All right. And even I don't even want to put Joe Burrell in that tier because of the injuries that have happened over the last years. But there's a lot of folks saying that this team is poised to go to a Super Bowl. We'll see how it goes for Joe Burrell. I got nothing against the guy. I'd love to put him back in the elite category. All right. Well, my team's kind of on its ass. We'll see where they go. I'm not rooting for him, but I ain't rooting against him. But the NFL has told you like, 106 is a 160. It's 50 something a year, right? That's a lot of money. I say it's resetting the quarterback market for the middle. For the middle. Yes, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And there ain't nothing wrong with that. Because what we're seeing here, and that's, and I know that people who get sensitive over Baker Mayfield because he does have a strong fan base. They can't take it and they're, they're too sensitive about it. He's a good quarterback. He is a very good quarterback at times. He has had elite traits. That

3:06game where they came back against the Bengals, Speaker the devil when I, I will never forget that game as long as I live probably. I went to the bathroom and half time ago, how am I going to do this show tomorrow? Like, oh, Della got hurt in that game. You remember that's it. Then when he towards ACL and I go, he's throwing the ball all over the place except for places he's supposed to throw it. This offense sucks. He sucks. It looks like this is over. How the hell am I going to do the show tomorrow? And then he came out in the second half and he did what he did in the second half. I don't know. I'm on the phone with Matt Adorney down in Magador going, this is unbelievable. This guy's unbelievable. Like, he has elite traits, but he's not elite all the time. It's called elite for reason. There's only like a couple that can be a part of that. And he ain't a part of that. And the NFL knows that. So they paid him a lot of money. And I think it's a hell of an investment by Tampa Bay in him. You got a great quarterback quarterback class coming up here. Now you could, if you really wanted to, you could draft a quarterback this year, but I don't see them doing it.

4:08They've made an investment in Baker, Mayfield. That's a perfectly fair investment. It's a perfectly fair investment. I don't understand why we can't tell the truth about some of these guys. It's going to happen more and more. You know that like, Shador is not the end of the line of fans that gravitate towards a quarterback that have their own film crews that have their own people around them. He ain't the last. He's probably at the beginning, right? You know that. Yeah, I'm going to take a guy like we're going to take a guy someday who's going to have all that around him again. Well, what do you think of that? Let's say if it was arch. So arch is an on social media like that. They've got everything. You think Omaha productions ain't falling him around somewhere. That's what I mean. The way that it's been with with arch so far, they have been so careful as to not let it get to that kind of craziness. But it's still archmaning, right? Yeah. Still he's still famous his family's famous. And they know that if he stepped in it, he'd be even more polarizing a controversial than he already is. And he's done nothing to be controversial

5:11or polarizing other than play football for Texas and have the last name manning. And there's a lot of archmaning truth. There's out there. And we'll find out more coming up on Saturday because I'll tell you right now I get when we're out and about we talked to big Homer Buckeye fans. And we got to ask serious questions of each other here. Do you do you dislike archmaning because of the last name because he plays for Texas because there was a lot of height. Did you stop watching archmaning after the Ohio State game last year? Were him and Julian saying kind of pittled around and in Ohio State took a defensive game like do you do that or did you see the last eight games of the season? Now the last eight games of the season isn't a reason to take them number one or number two or even number three overall because that was over a year ago. He's got to play well this year. But when I bring up Julian saying, hey, Julian saying it's got a lot of great qualities. I want to see more. I also want to make sure he's not a merchant of Jeremiah Smith who's arguably the greatest wide receiver these eyes have ever seen. Like I need to make sure going in and I've

6:13done the checks and balances. What did I tell you about Darian Mensa? Oh, his mom scares me. She's a momager. That's their word for it. I didn't even make up that word. Okay, well, how can I sit there and say I'm afraid of Darian Mensa? But then all of a sudden throw a full-throated endorsement behind archmaning of all people? You want to talk about an involved family? Like these are things that we work out over the weeks. That's why to me like when you guys are going to throw up the quarterback graphic whenever it happened probably on Friday. Whenever we put up the quarterback graphic, to me, it's a watch list. It's not a ranking. I know I have Byron Brown on there. He was terrible on Saturday. I'm still not going to take him out. I want to see what he does coming up. But soon enough, he'll probably be honest. I can't wait to talk and see if Arch does come out this year. People say he still might not even come out. But if he comes out this year, the conversation's about Shudor and why he slipped to the fifth. And I feel like we have enough information now. It's not not guesswork. Like he only wanted to play in certain places. He was not willing to really talk

7:17to certain teams. I mean, that's out there so many times over. I don't care what the Shudor fans are. They're just in denial. Like he did not help his own cause him in his representation or like they're of whatever him and his family did not help their cause. It's why he slipped to the fifth. It wasn't his talent. I mean, his talent might not have been number two overall. But it wasn't fifth. We all agree. He had more talent than that. Fifth round. Absolutely not. But he did not do himself any favors. Well, the manines are kind of famous, especially Eli. Like kind of famously, hey, I don't want to go there, right? Well, I just I mean, we went back to college just because he couldn't get a guarantee from Parcel. Right. So what is that conversation? Let's be fair here. If these leaks were going to come out about Shudor and the things that he wanted, are we going to be as comfortable, you know, talking about that when it comes to Manning, just because what? Because he's definitely going to go top five. By the way, I didn't tell you that. I just told you that second hand is Gary Myers wrote that in the book. Yeah. What did you say about top five? I wanted to cry. Like he almost I even if he plays poorly at times this year,

8:23if he, if he were to come out, he's still going top 10, right? Arch. Yeah. Still going top top 10. Yeah. But he has every reason to go back and do it. Okay. Or you might go back like, but either way, either way, what I'm saying is, if you killed Shudor for wanting to pick his spot, are people going to be prepared to kill the manines in the same way? No, you know, there's a free me right now going. There's a double standard. There's a total double standard. There is a total double standard. And you can, you could basically pull any lever you want on that double standard. You're probably going to be somewhat right. If not 100% right, there's a complete double standard to it. What I am hoping though, like I think we've seen it a lot with quarter backs in the past where they go back to college. And we start looking for what's wrong instead of instead of seeing what's right. Like we did that with Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert goes back and I remember Mirage was going nuts. He's too much of a, he's, he's, he doesn't have the guts.

9:27Almost said something I had to dump. He didn't have the guts to go to the NFL. He was going to go with the giants and he didn't have the guts to go to the NFL. I went back to college, but people were looking at the wrong things. And then you overdraft to a tongue of Iloa and you underdraft Justin Herbert there. And Justin Herbert ain't out of the woods by any means necessary. I know that there's certainly a knock on him. He might be upper tier middle class. He might be upper middle class when it comes to he might be just a taller version of Baker Mayfield by the time it's all said and done. All right. Well, I'd like to have a middle class because right now there's like three elite quarterbacks and the rest we just feel are garbage. So I, yeah, I do kind of hope that Baker Mayfield and other guys can be a middle tier. It's like, hey, I don't have to just go out there and use the T word to try to get better because you know how I stand on that stuff. And it's not just about personal pride. It's also about organization and being the right type organization and just not waiting for somebody to cover up for you being a moron. Like that's what the cults had done in the past. They did it twice. I don't want that. I want my team to be a good organization.

10:29That's what I want. I want that quarterback. I'd be stupid not to. But I also want to him to them to have people around him. Like Peyton Manning, yeah, he had to cover up a lot for the Indian apolis cults. He didn't have to cover as much as Andrew Luck did because they drafted really stupid around Andrew Luck. I don't want that for whoever the bronze take a quarterback. So I'm hoping that these guys this year start to lay the foundation. So this is a nice place. And this is why I can't say cut the Sean Watson get rid of the Sean Watson. I don't want an 86 million dollar thing hanging around my neck going into next year that can take us away from getting some free agents helping out our young quarterback 216474 to below 92 speaking of the current one. I know the Todd Munkin said something real nice yesterday and it sounds good. And I don't think he's lying, but it sure is hell ain't going to be the truth. Especially if things don't go well on Sunday. Ken Carm and Anthony Lyman take us with you to work on the free