Ken Would Rather Face Baker Than Watch Him Sign With the Steelers

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1:06We're really doing this. But an idea is just an idea until it's printed on, Sign it, giveaways, custom apparel. Once it's in my hands, on my team, out in the world. Then it's a happening. It's so happening. Vista Print has thousands of products, easy design tools, and real support to turn that idea into something possible. Print your possible with code new20 for 20% off your first order at Vista Print.com. I'm the wrong guy to ask that question, Kenny. Why? Because... Well, you're names on the show, so I have to ask you the question. I can't just... Well, I'm the wrong guy to ask because if I don't think a quarterback is capable of winning a Super Bowl, and I think his body's going to continue to get worse and worse and worse, then I want him on the rival.

2:07So you want him to play the Pittsburgh? Plus, it's great for the rivalry. You know, you've always told me we need things to make this rivalry better and better and better. So why would you that NFL rivalries aren't as big a deal? Well, you're not the wrong guy to answer or ask the question. You've answered the question, and I thought you answered the question quite... Now, I disagree, but you answered the question quite nicely. Yeah, that to me would be the better alternative than, say, Pittsburgh finally being bad and going into the draft and getting a guy for the next 10 years. I'd rather... If I was going up again, so I'd rather have Baker. So you have no problem taking on Tampa Bay next week? Oh, well, that's kind of irrelevant in this case, just because we're one of the... I'm expecting us to be one of the worst teams in football, so... Oh, okay. It's not... You know what I mean? It's obviously I want to beat him. But I think it'd be done until next year you were saying under this hypothetical, so it wouldn't even have mattered. Okay. Because I... I mean, I tell you, I think that we have a great chance to win on Sunday, considering it's week one.

3:09A great chance. I think we do. I think we do have a great chance, but I would tell you that week two, you probably have a chance because... Anytime he's pressed, he's gotten in his own way. So I do think you'd have two chances, but you have a quarterback who's afraid of his own shadow who's playing for you. Well, here, I'll tell you, Baker getting his contract done. You know, I said three weeks ago when he made training camp all about his contract, and he was talking to the team about his contract. Actually, did he say... Did he talk to the team about not making his training camp all about his contract? Definitely, that's what a guy would say if he was trying to mute the conversation. I think he was trying to have more conversations publicly and then telling the media that what he was doing was putting pressure. And it worked. He got the contract done. He did. Now, we have to see the actual terms of the contract, as as we know, a lot of these deals, unless they are, you know, the top flight elite level players, a lot of these deals, you start to uncover. Oh, yeah, the guarantees aren't exactly what they are. This isn't anywhere near the money that you think they're going to be. And then we find out way later, like a year and a half later, like, that wasn't even close to the, you know, annual per year that we thought it was going to be.

4:16But either way, good job, get it done. And so maybe this won't be weighing on him. He doesn't have to prove everybody wrong every step of the way. So I think it was a good job by both sides, getting it done. So I think that it's, to me, it's more convenient to keep him in the NFC South, and to keep him with Tampa Bay. You're only going to see him a handful of times during his career, if that. If he were to become a free agent, sign on with one of these other teams. I mean, again, I think that this, this crop of quarterbacks is coming up. I think that no team or no fan base would be as jazzed about him if he had to hit free agency. Because, you know, I always said this about offensive lineman. And I still mean it. I know that Tyler Lindobon became an off, became a free agent, but there's still few and far between the real top quality offensive lineman. Usually don't hit free agency. And the usual top quality quarterbacks usually don't hit free agency. And so if he were to become a free agent from Tampa, where they kind of stuck in the middle, I'd be like, I don't know where he's going to sign. And maybe I would turn myself into some sort of a pretzel thinking he was going to do poorly in Pittsburgh.

5:19I just don't need to go through like next week's going to be a weird week. Something's going to be said, there's going to be some uglyness leading up to it. I guarantee it. I don't think it's just going to be Kumbaya whatever we're going to interpret everybody's words differently. Remember, the monk man was here in 2019. So words are going to be said in some fashion and we're going to have to break down a press conference and guarantee it. And I only have to do that once every like three or four years when he plays for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I don't need to do that every like twice a year. And you would say, yeah, maybe you would just settle into a rhythm of that he plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And that's it. It really got ugly and nasty. And like for a while, it kind of went that way with Ben Ralthusberger. And then at the end, when he just kind of got bored with life, he seemed to be taking shots at Cleveland every year, he possibly could. So I and I think that Baker's a guy who takes everything personal. I think he'll take things personal next week. And I think he would have taken things personal over the next how many years if you were to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers over the off season. So that being pointed out, it's like, hey, again, I get a chance for my team to learn a lesson to not freak out.

6:23Like this ever again, give up three first round picks for a basket case to replace somebody that we probably could have repaired the relationship on. Hopefully we'll learn that lesson. And I got nothing against him. That was a what that was a once in a lifetime situation. You say that now, but there's been plenty of chances for there's plenty of chances for history to repeat itself. I don't I want to make sure that they remembered this lesson. They can't disguise on paper as good as Shaw Watson never available in the first place. You can't trade. Three like you wouldn't even it wouldn't even come up. And I hope that they have this conversation. So I hope I hope we'd never have to have this conversation someday. I hope the guy they taken in April just set sail and everything's great. But if they don't or if he's not, I don't want to have the old on paper conversation again, because everybody thought on paper, he was going to be great. Now he's not even good on paper. No, he's not good on paper. It's an unprecedented fall from grace. Yeah, he's not never seen in sports. He's not good on papyrus. He's not good on anything. I hope that this is a lesson they learn.

7:24And I hope they take with them for the end of days. I mean, you should always be trying to upgrade your quarterback though. You don't you don't dispute that going after a quarterback, better than Baker wasn't a stupid decision. I I just you were trying to maximize your window. And Baker was a tailspin. I understand that I could understand the logic behind it, but I didn't understand. I understand the logic behind trying to improve your quarterback position. But I still didn't understand the logic going after to Sean Watson. I think we were pretty clear on the record about all that stuff. I didn't want to have to deal with any of the fall out there. He was better than Baker. Of course I minute the time he was better than Baker, but I still didn't think it was going to be. That's why that's why the national people that came on, they they they were like, yeah, this is a massive upgrade. And I still didn't think it was going to be that much better than what it was. And I ended up being right about that. Did I not? I think it was. You were the one guy that predicted the all time unprecedented fall. I think it was going to be I never said it was going to be this bad, but I never thought it was going to be as good as what you made it out to be. I just think, again, this isn't this isn't you. But like the learning, the learning, the learning, the lesson, like, yeah, you should always try to upgrade your quarterback.

8:24If you don't think the guy is capable of getting to the Super Bowl and winning in the window that you had, and as you see these windows close very fast. So I don't want them to learn that lesson. I do want them. You don't want them to learn a lesson over if they stay every main and professional sports. If they have a window and their quarterback isn't good enough, the lesson is just keep the quarterback and hope he gets good. No, the lesson is that sometimes an idea that's too good to be true. It probably is too good to be true. Yeah, and it ended up being way too good to be way too true. The only true part about it is that we were sucking again. And the only way we had out was with a journeyman 40 plus your old quarterback. So yeah, I do want them to learn that lesson, Anthony. So you're willing to just go into it again with a guy that again, you like I said, you agree with me all the time. It's kind of a move point because it's not even going to become available. The guys guys don't like to sit out, have him not play football for a year, have the issues going with the ownership and him behind the scenes. And then we learn about acuus 8 like this is not going to have like that.

9:26So never have time. But I think there will be quarterbacks that are available again. And I think that they need to do their very due diligence, even better this time around. They did. They were willing to do it. That was the thing. You know, you know, you did. They did their due diligence until they knew that Baker wasn't going to want to come back and they knew that they were going to be stuck. They did their due diligence until then. And then everybody freaked out. And then he demanded a trade and instead of trying to just go, Hey, like you did with Kareem Hunt, David and Joku and God knows who else were like, we ain't trading you. Instead of that, you decided to give a guaranteed contract to an Albatross who nobody wants to see coming up on Sunday. Instead of just trying to either a bring in a veteran and having compete or be trying to work it out. In your lesson, either of those situations with a better scenario, is it the guaranteed money that was because you know, we were one of 13 teams. I say, yeah, I say the guaranteed money because it's a point of emphasis. It's always the three first-round picks that hurt worse because you bet on him being better. Yeah, that you would carry it over with the three first-round picks. And not only was he not better, he was the worst in the league. I know. Yeah.

10:27Yeah, it's, it's still something that I can't believe. I can't believe he was the wasn't the same player. He was unrecognizable. I think to a lot of people, but I don't think, do you think that'll happen again? Like that whole set of circumstances? I don't think so, but I do think there might be a scenario where it's buyer-beware when it comes to a quarterback that you're trading for. I don't think you're going to have a scenario where you're being accused of terrible things and you have a team that might, when it comes to the accusations, might have looked the other way on some of these things. And then they make that team that looked the other way, makes you available. And then we jump into it because we can't get a situation figured out with a quarterback who definitely was immature and crazy in his own right and had way too many rabbit rabbit ears going on. Like we, I would have much rather worked it out with a few shots that we had than what we have right now. But in the future, Ken, what Ken Carmen have ever supported moving on from Jared Goff to Matt Stafford. I think under this, you'd say, well, we learned our lesson. We would do that. Matt Stafford had a history.

11:28I'm glad you brought this up. Matt Stafford was a veteran. Matt Stafford didn't have any of the things around him. I don't, I trust Detroit more than I trust you. I met you. A lot of people would be like, come on. We're going to the playoffs. We're not moving on from, look, from Jared Goff. We went to the Super Bowl. Oh, it would, it was a risky move. I think a bunch of people would say we learned our lesson from the show. We're not doing that. And I'd be like, no, it's still going to happen. And you know what? And if we ever find ourselves in this situation, you're going to have to remind me, because I bet there's good and bad. But I didn't think that the, the Sean Watson said, Crystal Geyser Alpine Springwater is now the official water partner of the Iron Man North America series. Together, we'll hydrate athletes from the first mile to the finish line with Alpine Springwater that's always bottled at the natural spring source. We're proud to partner with Iron Man and support a community defined by perseverance, determination, and the pursuit of extraordinary goals. Crystal Geyser Alpine Springwater. Always bottled at the source. Compact, capable, surprisingly roomy, always forward with Kia.

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13:29Everything else, I always questioned and the fighting is okay. I've got to pull up here those the vaunted, the vaunted quarterback tears, the sandotaurs of for three of those years. People had to show lots on the same plane, if not higher in some of those given years, the Matt staff. Yeah, and somehow you need to hope that he wakes up those echoes coming up here in four days. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, four days. Two and six, four, seven, four to below 92. We got Zach coming up at seven, 20. Can I bring John in when we start the next segment? Can I do that? It's okay with you on. Because it worked for Chase the Lotter. It worked for Travis, Bazzana. Maybe we can get it worked for somebody else here, especially Tanner Bibi. Can't calm an Anthony Lyme alive in the f- Crystal Geyser Alpine Springwater is now the official water partner of the Iron Man North America series. Together, we'll hydrate athletes from the first mile to the finish line with Alpine Springwater that's always bottled at the Natural Spring Source. We're proud to partner with Iron Man

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