Kevork Almassian Interview – The True Origins Of ISIS/al-Qaeda & The “Iranian Sleeper Cell” Threat

Welcome to the last American Vagabond. Joining me today is Kavorka, Macy and friend of the

show from Syrian analysis to discuss broader topics of the Iran War, how Lebanon is connected

to this, and a larger conversation about just the connections that the background between

ISIS and al-Qaeda, connections to the US and Israel, and how that plays a factor in all

this and how it's being discussed, being involved in Lebanon conversation. Kavorka, how are

you today? Pleasure to have you on the show, brother.

The pleasure is mine. Thank you so much for having me on your show to discuss this very

as we say it's complex, but it's not complex at the same time, so let's go through

them. We were just saying this off the edge. Second ago, it kind of baffles me. My audience

is well aware of this. I frustratingly talk about this all the time is the origins behind

al-Qaeda and ISIS and funding and involvement. There's nuance very clearly, but it's just

so clear that there's involvement that goes back to its origin point from the US and even

Israel. Ben Swann had a documentary a long time ago that I thought that a really good

job on that. James Corbin had this three-part documentary on that that just nailed it to

the wall with like undeniable evidence, but we just how this tends to go. It's so much

pushed back from the corporate media, mainstream alternative, controlling the status quo,

but it's important that we just keep bringing this to the table and hopefully new people

see it. On this, I've been talking about this a lot over the last year, and I think we

may briefly touch down this last time we spoke, but I'm of the mind that I've never seen

this many people start to ask these questions and start to open their eyes to things like

that very point. Do you see that kind of growing awareness? Do you think that's becoming

the majority or where do you put that in your mind? Actually, I was part of the people

who believed that the people who believed al-Qaeda is somehow under the control of the United

States empire or managed by them or moved by them in certain places. They are crazy

not jobs. I thought they are conspiracy theorists, and the only time the suspicions started for

me, I was just like a normal person, like any other person. This was in 2012 when I started

seeing the influx of weapons to Syria into the hands of what used to be called japaetun

Noswa, the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria. Now, back in the day, I still thought that the

Americans would not really cross this line of basically arming a group like al-Qaeda in

Syria, and I thought that the allies of the United States are doing it against the will of

the Americans, because at the end of the day, al-Qaeda is the boogeyman, al-Qaeda is the enemy

of the United States. As they flew these jets to the twin towers, they blew up several buildings,

they hit the Pentagon, they did all these things. But this was denying me for a very long time ago,

and I wasn't really involved in really digging into these, let's say, security incidents that

happened in the past, and I'm not an expert on 9-11, but I have checked the recent history,

for example, when it was in Afghanistan. Now, the convenient thing to do for an American

empire fighting during the Cold War against the Soviet Union is to support the antidotes

of the Soviet Union back in the day, the antidotes for the Socialists and the Communists,

and those who are basically the Islamists. And the Islamists have seen the communism and

socialism back in the day as an absolute evil, and they fought against them, and they thought

that communism, at certain point, they will also take over the Arabic and Islamic countries,

because in these countries, they were subjugated and subjected to long history of colonialism,

so the people were excited about resisting against any sort of colonialism or neocolonialism,

especially after independence, because the independence of these countries was at certain phases,

just ink on a paper. They didn't really gain their independence, they gained their independence

through recognition in the UN, but on the ground, the political elite was captured, the

economies were captured, so these economies, when they were still dependent on, let's say,

other countries, basically these countries have had influence over them, so when the people tried

to liberate themselves from any sort of dependence on outside forces, the Soviet Union came

and supported these, let's say, liberation movements, they supported the PLO, in Palestine,

they supported in the revolutionaries, in Libya, they supported many people, also in South Africa,

right? So the antidote for them was these Islamists, and the most active force in this case were

the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, who were, by the way, their French group back in the day, they were

not very strong group, but the Americans found that it would be a brilliant idea, and this is,

of course, I'm quoting Hillary Clinton, to support this Mujahideen there, because they would carry

on this fight, and they are very much motivated, and they would like to become martyrs, so they

tasked Saudi Arabia and ISIL, the Pakistani intelligence back in the day, and the Saudi intelligence,

to bring these people, multinational, tech-firi jihadists from all around the world, to Afghanistan,

and form units to fight against the Soviet Union, and this was a successful strategy, because they

drained the finances of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, and this was one of the reasons, let's say,

that the Soviet Union has withdrawn from Afghanistan, and also, later collapse, this is just one of the

reasons, not the reason. The Americans found that this was a great formula, that they could copy

in other places, so another example is Libya. Libya comes 2011, and then you see in Benghazi,

all the Muslim borderhood, Salafis, tech-fibis, al-Qaeda types, joining the fight against Qaddafi,

they moving him from power, killing him in the most heinous way, and then all these weapons,

and the people who received the training in Benghazi, they transferred them to Syria, the same year,

once Qaddafi was overthrown, they sent them to Syria, and still I was, you know, because

I myself, I was so propagandized by the press, that you still, like, it's impossible, it cannot

happen, like, you cannot believe your eyes that this type of fighters would receive funding and

support and training and arms from who, the United States, but then you start, like, seeing

the realities on the ground, because when you live in Syria, you have something on the press,

and then you have something on the ground, in front of your eyes, and you see that the driving

force behind the insurgency in Syria were of the same al-Qaeda types. Now, I have moved

from, let's say, more activism between 2011 to 2017, this was the phase where I did a

lots of activism on social media platforms, into more doing research about these cases. In 2017,

I started my YouTube channel, and this was the same year I remember Jeffy Sachs back in the day,

he was on MSNBC, still, he was, they used to host him on main media outlets, and he said something

like Donald Trump's gut feeling is correct, he has to be slow from Syria, back in the day,

there was a debate about withdrawing or not from Syria, he said, we have done enough damage to

the Syrian people, we killed half a million people, I was like, okay, continue, and he said,

this was a CIA project called Operation Timber Sikimur, it was a covered operation,

and signed by Barack Obama to destabilize Syria, and used this tech theory jihadist basically

to house Assad. This was the first time I heard about Operation Timber Sikimur, and then when you

dig in, you notice that, actually, this is the second, the second most costliest

corporation in the history of the CIA. They are basically spending, or they have spent $1 billion per

year over this al-Qaeda tech theory jihadist in Syria, and this was in 2017, when Donald Trump

ended Operation Timber Sikimur, because Trump thought that it's too costly for the US

strategy, and he said, we could chalk Syria through economic sanctions, through economic warfare,

why are we spending all this money? So he didn't really end the war, he just replaced it from

a military warfare into an economic warfare, and this was more brutal for the Syrian people,

because the sanctions in coverage, 95% of the Syrian people, and send them below the poverty line.

Now, during this time, when I was doing research, I found one document for the

Defense Intelligence Agency of the US dated in 2012, and this is a report that the American

Defense Intelligence Agency basically submitting to President Obama, and telling him in this report

that the driving force behind the insurgency in Syria are the al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Salafi jihadist,

and the Muslim borders. And then we have the WikiLeaks document, WikiLeaks which published the

emails of Hillary Clinton, and then you have the advisor of Hillary Clinton back in the day,

he used to work for her, Jake Sullivan, who later became the national security advisor for

Joe Biden, basically saying, quote, al-Qaeda is on our side in Syria. Okay. Then in 2020, one,

we have the former US envoy to Syria, James Jeffrey, telling to the press to BBS, it's not like

something leaked. He says, Jolani's army, which is AKA al-Qaeda franchise in Syria, is, quote,

it's a strategic asset. It's an asset for the US strategy in Syria. This is what he told the press.

And then you have the former ambassador to Syria, Robert Ford, basically, after the over-throwal

of Assad and Assad was ousted in December 2024, in mid 2025, Robert Ford gave a lecture

to some think tanks, and you know how arrogant are these people are. And the ego in them sometimes

speaks because they think they're smart. They're not smart. They're vile, they're arrogant,

they're criminal, but they're not as smart as they think they are. And I will tell you why I

think they're not smart. Basically, he said, guys, I trained this guy. Like, I trained this guy

who is now the president of Syria. And basically, I took him out of the terrorism world.

So we have lots of evidence in Syria that al-Qaeda has been a contract army for the United

States. It's the boots on the ground for the US empire in Syria. And I'm quoting here,

my professor, Mikhail Hudson, I remember in one of his interviews, I believe in 2018 or 2019,

he said, basically, that we, the Americans, we supported the crazies in Afghanistan and we

supported the crazies in Ukraine, the neo-Nazis. And now we're supporting the crazies in Syria.

Those are the al-Qaeda. And he said, al-Qaeda is basically a contract army for the United States.

I mean, when something like this comes from an intellectual and academic authority, it also gives you

more self-confidence to really come to this conclusion and say, yes, al-Qaeda was and still

is a contract army of the United States. To the point that now, as we speak, the Jolani army

basically, they're threatening Lebanon with an invasion to fight against Hezbollah when Hezbollah

is now facing a ground invasion from the Israeli occupation forces in the South. So what

the Jolani HDS regime is doing, they're sending reinforcement to the north of Lebanon.

And they are also on the Bicar Valley where the Israelis are trying to fight against Hezbollah as

well. And they're sending multinational tech vijihadists there threatening Lebanon with this

ground invasion because they say and they claim that Hezbollah has violated the sovereignty of Syria.

First things first, Syria doesn't have sovereignty. Syria's sovereignty is torn apart by multiple

international and regional powers. We have five to six foreign forces on Syrian territories.

And beside that, we have all these multinational tech figures from all around the world.

Israel violates the Syrian airspace every day. Israel expands on Syrian territories every day.

Israel captures and kidnaps Syrian civilians and takes them to Israel every day. Not a single

bullet is being shot from the Jolani government against Israel occupation forces. Not a single one.

And please remember, Brian, that during the past 14 years, these people were so brave,

they were like rambos, right, against their own national army against the Syrian Arab Army,

and they have carried out thousands of suicide attacks, car bombs, rocket attacks, anti-tank missiles.

The Americans gave them what do they call the stingers and all these missiles that they have

at the coordinate rockets, for example. Where are they now? Why aren't they using them against Israel?

Because this regime is installed in Damascus after a consensus and an agreement between Turkey,

Israel and the United States. They have brought these three powers. They have brought Jolani to power

during the peak of the conflict between Lebanon, Hezbollah and Israel when Nasrallah was assassinated,

they reactivated the regime change because they found that Hezbollah has been destabilized

and has withdrawn its forces from Syria and it was an opportunity for them to knock out Assad in this

case. So basically Turkey, in this case, is 100% embedded with the Zionist project in the region by

think one of the players in this access of resistance to kick out or knock out Assad and break the chain

between Lebanon which goes through Syria all the way to Iraq and from Iraq to Iran. So what they

basically did, they cut this chain between Tahran and Beirut and Erdogan has taken credit for it

multiple times. Netanyahu has taken credit for himself multiple times. Trump said that I put this

guy in power in Syria. So it's very overwhelming and just very quickly, these people like Robert

Ford and the rest between 2013 actually to 2015 until I left Lebanon. I have participated in

several NGO workshops in Beirut organized by these think tanks, American think tanks,

John McCain Institute, President Jimmy Carter's Institute. And when you are there, all these so-called

brains that you see them on TV outlets who are giving prophecies about Syria, they join each

other's workshops. They are there. And during the tea time, the coffee time, I found that these people

think during my conversation that we are idiots. Like when I say we, we the Syrian people,

they think that we are intellectually below them, that they could treat us in a way like we are

shippered, shippered, and they truly believe that we are incapable of managing our own affairs.

And they are there basically to teach us how we can build a state. And once you start challenging

them and showing them their limit, you're already being treated like this, you know, very annoying guy

in this workshop because the rest, unfortunately, and this is something that I have to say, very

disappointing that many, many Syrian people who participated in these workshops, they loved to

leak the boots of these people because these people secured them jobs, scholarships, and visas

in America. That's why you see that there was an incentive also for many people to join the

anti-Assad wagon because you gain a lot from it, you gain jobs, you gain money, you gain fame,

medals, prizes, it's a lot, it's a lot. But these people cared about everything except for their

country. And this is very shameful. And the Iranians nowadays, in my opinion, forget about these

monarchists, I think they are the minority. The Iranians have shown to the world how respectable

people they are and how you can stand with your country and with your nation and put your

differences aside with your government and defend your nation because this is your country.

I agree. And I would compare it to the time before 79 under the rule of the Shah, where there

was plenty of people, Western and Iranian, who just benefited wildly at the oligarch top elitist

1%. And it's funny how we misrepresent that, rather than the government, the narratives,

the media, you could literally ask Iraq, I platform run by Elon Musk, and it will tell you that

the vast majority of people who are living in poverty and squalor, and you know this. But so that's

the way that that gets framed, right? Yeah, some of them definitely, but it's clearly not in the

benefit of the Iranian people or the Lebanese people or the Syrian people or wherever this is taking

place. Before I move it, I want to go into more of that, thank you for that outstanding

timeline. I mean, that's just, I think you'll even weigh people up to that just by what you

outlined right there. And we'll include source materials, so make sure you check it out.

Before we go more into that, though, some questions on what you said, one about Turkey,

because clearly as you've seen, this is becoming an interesting talking point in the conversation,

right, where Israel is threatening the Turkey will be next, for example. How do you read that with

what you were saying? Actually, it's a love and hate relationship between Turkey and Israel in

the region, but they share a similar goal. The similar goal is to keep the Iranian influence away

from the levant, and because it challenges Turkish and Israeli leverage in the region. So they agree

on picking the Iranian influence out of Syria, out of Lebanon. That's why they cooperate,

they have cooperated in Syria and they have cooperated also in nowadays, they're cooperating in

Lebanon to in a bit to crush, hezbollah this time, right? But after, when you have a regime change

and things are over, what is the, what about the day after the regime change? This is my,

this is the question that many people are asking. So what is it, what about the day after Assad?

And nobody had an answer for it, but because the Americans have found the formula in Syria and they

said, look, Israelis in the south of Syria, this is your street of influence. And then we have the

Turkish street of influence in the north. And in the central Syria, we will give it to, it's like

a buffer zone that the Russians are having their military presence where they would separate

between the Israeli and the, and the Turkish influence there, right? It's a mockery for,

to be honest with you, for geopolitics, for history, for our intellectual capacity,

that nowadays we live in an era that it's a direct and indirect occupation of your country and

it's being sold to you as a freedom, as a democracy, as prosperity. Now Turkey is the first Islamic

country which recognized Israel in, in, in, in the region. Turkey during the active genocide

against the Palestinians has not used its energy leverage against Israel. It has continuously sent

the Azeri gas, which I believe is around 60% of the Israeli needs from Saudi Cihan port to, to Israel.

Nowadays the Americans have given the Israelis Turkish made weapons through NATO

cargo ships to Israel to use them against who against the Lebanese, right? So I think

one of the siops in the region was Erdogan. Erdogan has a big mouth against Israel. And the people

of the region like rhetoric, like talking, like this strong man saying the right things against Israel.

But when it comes to actions, Turkey has done, I wouldn't even say very little actually, Turkey's

role was to bring the people, especially the Sunni people who has, who have felt after the

invasion of Iraq and the humiliation that they received by the Americans, that these people have

been humiliated and subjugated by the Americans. And now you need someone who pretends and comes

and tells them I'm here to uplift you from your misery. But the, the desire here is that the Arabic

people and the Levantine people are not Turks. Now they're selling their agency to Turkey by trying

to associate embed themselves with Turkey. And Turkey is an imperialist imperial power in the

region with a long history of occupation of these countries for 400 years. And these people for

400 years. So Erdogan came, presented itself as the savior of these oppressed people in the

region with great pro-Palestinian talk and has taken them into his side and then shifted their

anger and their alarm basically from Israel into the sias. Like you see in the region that there

is this active attempt to turn this into a sias Sunni war. One of the play, one of the men who

is actively playing this role is Erdogan and the second one is Qatar. Qatar has poured billions

and billions of dollars in creating new public opinion and shifting narratives in the region

and played a very dirty sectarian war. Sunnis against sias, sias against Sunnis against alewaids.

If any of your respected audience understand Arabic and they followed the coverage of al-Jazira

in Syria, you would be horrified to listen what they're talking and how they're inciting sectarian

violence against the minorities in Syria and whose interests do this, does this sectarian talk

serve? It serves the Israeli interests because in the region if the Sunnis and the sias are united,

then their mutual enemy, it will be seen as Israel. So if you divide them and they turn them

against each other, then the Islamic Ummah, so-called, turns against each other, fights against each

other. And this is the exact same recipe now that the other day I was listening to Senator

Lindsey Graham, the pervert, who was basically saying this is a religious war. This is a like

holy war, right? And in his mind, he wants this to be a religious war. He wants to turn this war

into sectarian war because first, it brings all the Christian Zionists on the side of Israel.

Secondly, it brings all these Sunni people in the region on the side of these monarchies

to fight against Iran. This is what they have been cooking for a long time. However, in the collective

consciousness of the people, like when you watch these videos, those are just amateur videos,

but they are indication what the people believe, right? You live in Jordan and your Jordanian

and your government is basically siding with Israel. It's actually firing against Iranian missiles

not to fall inside Israel, but then you see these amateur videos of people are recording these missiles

and celebrating the missiles going to Israel. You see the same thing in Lebanon, you see the same

inside Israel, which is Palestinian occupied territories, Palestinians celebrating and these

amateur videos that these missiles are coming. Not out of hatred. This is something very important.

I believe that many people we need to explain because the conversation is always because they hate

the Jewish people. They hate the Jews. No, these people have been living alongside the Jewish

people for centuries. At certain historical times, when they were kicked out of Spain or Portugal,

they came to the Arabic world. They came to Morocco. They went to Nigeria. They went to Libya,

and they came also to the Middle East. They were safe in Iraq. They were safe in Syria. They were

safe in Lebanon. The only time it has become this sensitivity among the people in the region,

Jewish and non-Jewish, is when Israel was created as a political entity, and Israel claimed to be

a Jewish state and represents all the Jewish people, so the Jewish people inside the Arabic

countries have become like a natural suspect in the eyes of the people. If Israel says that we

represent the Jewish people and we have occupied in your land and we're killing you on people,

and we want to bring all the Jewish people from all around the world into this one place.

So imagine the type of psychological, in my opinion, warfare they have wished in the region to

bring this into the context of a Jewish against Muslim war, and this is not a religious war. In my

eyes, it's not a religious war. For me, it's a war against the imperial powers and the people who

stand behind the imperial powers, because nowadays, somebody when identifies as an anti-imperialist,

I think it's an understatement. There is even powers above these imperial powers, we're talking

about dynasties, we're talking about hidden networks above them that are feeding these imperial

powers with money, logistics, and they cover up for all these crimes that they have committing

all around the world, including the recent genocide in Gaza in my opinion. Yeah, well, I agree,

and I was actually just going to pull up all of the show notes, your article about the network

above Epstein. Now, back to the religious war part about this, and this is really interesting

to me, because I agree with exactly what you were laying out there, but I'm sure you would

concede that from Israel's perspective, from the religious Zionism perspective, and not even

necessarily the Sunni Shia discussion, from Zionism's perspective, the way that there, you know,

greater Israel, that there is a religious war on people's world, and so this is what's interesting

to me, is you tell me what you think, I feel like this has almost always been at the undercurrent

of what they've created the Sunni Shia, you know, the Shia kind of divide creation, and what's

interesting is that seems to be the Saudi Arabian part of this, and I'm sure you're familiar with

the history of that with the US and Israel sort of creating this construct, so what's interesting

is without Saudi Arabia as that entity, which is kind of confounding with the way they discuss

things anyway about radical Muslim, you know, Islam, and it's just interesting that without that,

that that wouldn't necessarily exist, tell me what you think about that, but then more so about the,

you know, that the Lindsey Graham saying it's a religious war, do you think he was trying to

imply the Sunni Shia point, or that it was literally talking about Israel, and the Zionism part of

it, that's how I read that, go ahead. I think he was referring to both, because in his eyes,

of course, this is a religious crusade against a Persian empire, this is how they see it from

historical perspective, but when you see underground, for example, if this is a crusade, then why would

Saudi Arabia participate on the side of the crusaders, right? Now, many people are asking questions

about the American installations in Qatar, in Kuwait, in Bahrain, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, and other

UAE and other Gulf Persian Gulf monarchies. Those are not simply defensive weapons aimed at

the missiles coming from Iran, because Iran has no interest in fighting against its Arab

and neighboring countries. Those technologies installed there, the early alarm systems

is to help Israel. How does Israel know that these missiles are coming? Because they have,

Americans have this early, how to say, that they send them the alarm that the missile is coming,

and those are on the front lines, not in Jordan, not in Palestine.

Yes, it took out, as I understand, in Qatar. Yeah, in Qatar, yes. So,

see, Qatar also represents itself as an anti-Israeli force. They have a big mouse in Al-Jazeera,

but this is again, it's a sayob. What they do is, on one hand, they gain credibility by verbally

supporting the Palestine cause, and on the other hand, they fight against the people and the

actors, let's say, who are supporting and giving tangible support to the Palestinians, including Syria,

Iran, Hezbollah. When you see now, the coverage of Al-Jazeera, which is a state on TV outlet,

it's quite obvious that they're anti-Hezbollah and they're anti- Iran. So, and they have these

military installations there. Now, the religious aspect of it, this is very important because

Lindsey Graham is, of course, speaking from the context of trying to create this religious

world that is going to bring the Messiah back. And this is something very weird for me because

the Zionists have a different opinion about the coming of Messiah. For them, Jesus Christ didn't come

yet. And the Christian Zionists want him to come for the second time. So, even the end goal is

different between them, which makes me believe that these people are just using religion for

geopolitical purposes because you can truly sell these talking points to the boomers, to the

sorry, to say the idiots. The other day, I was watching Donald Trump giving a speech, telling his

audience and this hundreds of people behind him and in front of him that we won from day one in Iran

and everybody was like celebrating it. That means that these people have no clue what is going on

around the world. But Israel portraying it as a religious world, it makes it very hard for us,

not to be accused of being an anti-Semite, because they take this into the religious world,

they take it like, this is a war between the Jews against the anti-Semites, right? This is how

they frame it. So, once we... But we don't see it that way. And we don't want to see it that way.

We want to see it from our geopolitical perspective, but because they own the press, they try to

have their grip over the talking points and the narratives. So, the moment you're coming to

criticize a policy, you turn into an anti-Semite because they want it to become a religious war.

And this is exactly why they have allowed the beginning of Hamas, Hamas as an organization

in the 80s in Gaza. It was a fringe organization. And the PLO was the bigger organization. Now,

the Palestinian resistance groups between 48 to the late 80s, they were mostly nationalists,

left-wing, socialist communists, Syrian nationalists, for example, etc. And they have spoken

this universal... They have argued with this universal terminologies about colonialism,

anti-imperialism. They have connected the issue of Palestine with the issue of the South Africa

and the apartheid. So, many people around the world have understood the struggle of the Palestinians.

And this was a counterproductive for the Israelis because they were losing the narrative in

Western countries where the people were saying we shouldn't colonize the rest of the world. We

shouldn't have our presence in South Africa. We shouldn't support apartheid. If you shouldn't

support apartheid in South Africa, then we shouldn't support apartheid also in Israel and Palestine,

right? So, what they do basically, they go after every single Palestinian leader, political leader,

intellectual public opinion leader, intellectuals, writers, authors, poets. Everyone, they have killed

assassinated with car bombs in Beirut, in Syria, in Palestine. They have left no one basically to

speak this universal language. And then, in the late 80s, you have Israel, basically, because they

want to finally kill these nationalistic patriotic movements inside the Palestinian people.

They have allowed and turned the blind eye and facilitated the spawn of Hamas as a counterway

for the PLO to fight against the PLO. And back in the day, the PLO was not some

bunch of traitors and collaborators like it is the case today with Mahmoud Abbas in the fatah,

back in the day, they were legit and they were struggling against Israelis. So, they created

an internal foe basically against the PLO and they turned them against each other because

as we started this conversation together, the natural enemy of the Islamists,

artists, nationalists, artists, socialists, artists, patriotic people because the Islamists believe

in an Islamic caliphate. And the Islamic caliphate is transnational. It's not national. And these

movements in Palestine were national movements. They believed in this border set. So, the Islamists

wanted to create a border less like the Islamic caliphate tried to do between Iraq and Syria

back in the day. And this idea came in the mid 1920s in Egypt when the Brits were the mandate power

in Egypt and the resistance against them was coming from the nationalist and the left wings.

So, instead of fighting against them, you allow and facilitate the creation of an enemy for them

and thus were the Islamists. So, back in the day, they supported the emergence and the start of

the Muslim borders in the late 1920s. And since then, Egypt has become like paralyzed. All the time

you have, even during Jamal Abdel Nasib, time, the Muslim borders, they were the ones fighting

against Jamal Abdel Nasib, although he was one of the most famous, let's say, and influential

leaders in the Arab world. He had great ideas, which in my opinion, on paper, they were great,

but practically they were very difficult to implement. In any ways, all I'm saying is,

this Islamists have been instrumentalized for a very, very long time by the Brits, by the Americans,

by the Israelis. Yeah, and what I find really interesting about what you said right there is

this interesting arc of, you know, I mean, my opinion about any part of our government is they'll

say whatever they need to say to get people to support them. I don't think they believe in

this about anything, but you get this argument of, you know, America first, nationalism from the

Republican side, you know, the more global perspectives from the left. And yet what we look at is

all of them have been supporting and arming and shipping around. And, you know, with the ISIS,

al-Qaeda elements, which the way you frame that is arguably fighting for more of a globalist

perspective, versus the groups that they want to frame as the bad guys who are arguably fighting

for more of a nationals, it's just kind of, it's, if you understand it, it's, you know, I guess,

humorous in its own way, because these people are so dishonest, but it's, you know, so real with

what they're carrying out. One other point I wanted to get into about, before we move on to some of

the Iran elements and some sleeper-cell conversation is Netanyahu involved this right now, that I want

your thought on why this is happening now, because, you know, well, my thought, the way I see this

right now, and you know, tell me what you think about it, is ultimately that you have what they've

been wanting from the U.S. to go out of Iran for a very long time, as we've all been covering,

it's like the self-evident at this point, how long Netanyahu has been trying to make that happen.

And it's obvious that he's been becoming more and more popular, even especially because of

post-October 7th in Israel, because of the understanding they have about the way he handled that,

the warning, the whole thing. And so why suddenly, with how unstable this seems to be, do you think

Netanyahu was suddenly kind of pulling a, or leaven on into this? And, you know, the other elements,

do you feel like this is his, like, do you feel he feels like this window to accomplish this might

be closing? And is maybe that why it's all happening? If not, why do you think this is all kind of

coming down right now from Netanyahu? I think, I think Netanyahu believes that Donald Trump is a

golden opportunity for him. I have heard a conspiracy theory the other day from a friend. I'm

not going to mention his name now because it's his conspiracy theory. Maybe he would like to share

it later. He said, in 2016, there was this Russia gate. And in the United States, and there was

this hysteria that Donald Trump is basically supported by Russia and Hillary Clinton made a big

issue out of it. And he said, the real issue was that it was Israel who was intervening in the

elections in favor of Donald Trump. But nobody dared to name Israel. So everybody was naming

Russia in the day for Trump. And remember that Trump came. He moved the embassy to Jerusalem

and he recognized the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. He gave explicit right for the Brits

and others to take out the oil from also from the Golan Heights. He chopped this even economy to

the extent that Syria has become completely paralyzed. And then the regime change happened.

Due to these sanctions, it was these sanctions, which also the Assad and not the CIA covert

operation, which was initially started in 2011. And he said publicly, more than once,

that he gave that specifically because Miriam Adelson asked him to and gave money to his campaign.

You know, I think it's over that, but that's on the record. Exactly, exactly. And now that

after October 7th, of course, I believe October 7th, just for the record that it was a let it

happen incident that Israelis knew that Hamas is going to do. I'm not saying that Hamas was

cooperating with Israel. All I'm saying is definitely Israel knew and definitely they had

spies in among the Hamas elements. They knew exactly what is going to happen. And they allowed

it to happen activated the Hannibal directive to kill as many Israelis as possible. You can do

atrocity propaganda and you go for genocide. So they believe that this

undecisive, let's say, victory in Gaza and undecisive victory in Lebanon against

Hezbollah after the capitation of the leadership. And then the regime change in Syria,

it's a decisive victory for them that this is a golden opportunity now to go after Iran.

And once you go after Iran, the entire region will be under what the what the people call

nowadays the Pacture Dica empire. So what Israel is trying to do is to replace the Americans

basically the Pan-American with the Pacture Dica in the region and extend from the Nile to the Euphrates

to the extent that even American officials who must represent American interests, they're

talking like they are Israeli officials. Mike Huckabee, when I watch him with Tucker Carlson,

I like if you if I don't know him at all and you I'm like no one and you tell me who do you

think this guy is? I would say he's the ambassador of Israel in the United States, right? So when he

when he was asked about the greater Israel project, he said he's fine with the expansion of Israel

between the Nile and the Euphrates. So how would you do that when there is Israel?

Sorry, when there is Iran, Iran is the only state actor in the world in the world.

You can go from the far east to the far west. It's the only power, only state actor in the

world which is actively and with tangible actions struggling against this project in the region.

So unless you have this power diminished or put at check as they say to minimize the power of Iran

or do regime change, it's going to be very hard for you to expand in the region. And this

expansion, some people think that it can be through just military means no.

Greater Israel project doesn't have to be an occupation through soldiers. It can be that it is

under indirect Israeli financial control under indirect economic control that these countries

are dependent on the Israeli and American products and Israeli and American protection and

Israeli and American technology technologies. Like all these people, for example,

to speak about how the Emirates and Saudi Arabia are becoming advanced and they are buying all

these technologies. But they're just importing these technologies. How many of these technologies

are created or invented or developed inside these countries? None. Which means the greater Israel

project doesn't really have to be like a map that Israel has stretched between the Nile to do

fetus. All it has to be that this region is under the influence and the leverage and the patronage

of these powers will represent the Pactu-Dyka power. And in this case, if you knock out Iran,

then you have from all the way from Iran to the Nile basically in Egypt is under the direct or

indirect control of Israel. And this is why I think the Iranians also saw it as an existential

threat and that's why we can see the type of reaction that they have done which surprised their

friends and shocked their enemies. I mean, I was surprised and I have also confessed on my show

on other shows that I was wrong. And I thought that Iran at some point will bend the knee because they

have to, their allies were decimated in the region when we talk about the Palestinian Syrian

and the Lebanese in this case. And I thought that when Iran comes to the point where they have to

choose between a war or a compromise, they will compromise. But it turned out that even during

the negotiation when they were willing to compromise that the Israelis were planning something else

and I think they have given Iranians a service by attacking them that Iran now has to go to war

and has seen it as this existential to the extent that now the Americans and the Israelis are

asking for a ceasefire and the Iranians are saying there is no ceasefire is the end of the

negotiations not the beginning of the negotiations ceasefire means that we have to agree on the minimum

and the minimum here that not now not in the future there is going to be war against Iran not now

not in the future there is going to be war against hezbollah we will impose our deterrence and most

importantly all these bases in the region that Americans have established they have to withdraw

and it doesn't mean that these forces have to go home because some people think that Iranians want

for all the US forces to go home all they are asking is that these installations have to be

pure defensive if they are there to install air defenses for example that's fine but if you're

there to spy on us when you're there to have your fighter jets when you're there

carrying your Tomahawk missiles and pointed at gun at us then that's the thing that we won't tolerate

and this is similar to what the Russians are telling to the Americans we're not going to stop

until a new secret architecture is being established in Eastern Europe meaning American

NATO bases have to withdraw at least the strategic weapons to Germany back 1991 line and this

is the same what the Iranians are trying to do in in the Middle East nowadays so this is very

important imagine that Iranians are fighting for the Arabs and for themselves and these Arabic

conscious of fighting against Iran what does that have to do with that as you rightly pointed out

and added it back it up that these governments you get in particular as you mentioned I've been

you know normalized if you will and that doesn't mean there are people support that their

governments have been placed there clearly do but to your point before we go into the sleeper

cell discussion and I will come back to we can end with the point about you know the Iran war

justification and when we were briefly touching on there I want to play this clip that I play

all the time I'm sure you've seen this because it's very relevant to what you just said first not

just I do think it will end up like this at least as they see it with occupation of these locations

but you're right to point out that it's not just that it's influence it's you know security

contracts intelligence you know actual you know equipment on the ground and so thinking of that

part of this worry for me is not just that it is real trying to seize these locations I do believe

that is the outcome but what it means for them to basically control through these intelligence

contracts and you know delivering their spyware and their equipment everywhere in the world

if they make these partnerships and that I think is very relevant to the sleeper cell point we'll

get into next but I'm sure you've seen this just for set this in people's minds where we're getting

that how did you convince Hasbalah to buy this well obviously they didn't know that they were

buying it from Israel who did they buy it from or I think they were buying it from we have an

incredible array of possibilities of creating foreign companies that have no way being traced

back to Israel shell companies over shell companies who affect the supply chain to our

saver we create a pretend world we are a global production company we write the screenplay

where the directors with the producers where the main actors the world is our stage

the fact that the public we said is amazing to me and there's a state really quickly for those that

always you know rightly so question and push back about everything we should but remember this

was this was set up by these really government it was endorsed by these really government so

people often point out they they're lying or write it maybe right but the point is they're

stressing to the world we create fake companies to manipulate the supply chain which is a crime

but also the point I'm making about this is surveillance spyware what we know is I mean there's

two examples of justice administration or even go back to the first administration where they

were caught putting stingray devices at the White House during Trump's liberation you know this

is not new right I will personally tell you they run the Pentagon according to his boss you know

so it's crazy to me so first if you have so many comments on that and I'll overlap this so with

the the Iranian sleepers sell point I just sent you I just sent you private message now on on

this browser you can check let's play also this video it's the former head of Mossad also talking

about how they compromise electronics all around the world and this is just one this one this this

is I actually I believe I shared that those two videos out when this came out so side by side

because the same thing like these two videos together I don't know how you ignore the reality

of this let me grab it really quickly go ahead and set it up I'll grab the video

yeah good yeah you know the the problem for me is the how they come with these ideas you know

like this is the thing for me is the creativity in how to harm not only your enemies but also your

friends this is something psychological in my opinion that has to be studied because at no point

I have seen this type of actions even among allies like they spy on each other but they don't

compromise and put explosives inside inside electronics in friendly countries or send it

deliberately to someone I think there is there it's unprecedented to see this type of creativity in

creating evil you know and for me that is a terrifying part that it's not what they're capable

of but rather because if you invest enough money and energy and studies and research about

something evil you can do it as well but you have to come first with the idea that's a thing for

me that the idea of creating a fake supply chain and delivering what we call the booby tapped

electronics or two thousands and thousands of people carried by you know this is something that

is important for the people to understand in what is Hezbollah you know like they think the Hezbollah

people are some masked people sitting on the hill 24 seven hours having their AK-47 guns

pointed at Israel and Hezbollah people are just ordinary people in Lebanon they are

pharmacists they are doctors they are engineers they are farmers they are barbers they are

snack shop owners they're just normal people and their towns are in southern Lebanon and they

fighting against Israeli occupation forces and they receive training for Hezbollah and Hezbollah

also includes political wing educational wing health institutions educational universities for

example small financial institutions banking and those are just civilians they are not

they have not carried arms and they were not militants in Hezbollah and they also carried

his walkie talkies and some of these walkie talkies were basically at home and all of a sudden

each rank and then the child came oh daddy the the the phone is ringing and it blew up

on the face of the of the babies those are in my opinion you pure evil you know what they have

done with this and it has just gone it I'm not going to say unnoticed but there is no I mean

Ryan I'm I'm being very honest I don't really believe any longer that there is

rules based international order international law and all these things they're just façade

um they can kill half a million of us they can kill a million of us they won't blink an eye

like imagine for one and a half year Hezbollah has not fired the single bullet at at Israel

and they were restrained and they followed the ceasefire agreement

Israel violated the ceasefire agreement over how many times do you think they have violated

just give me a number of thousands that's what I've heard there's a different reporting but

it's over it's over 10,000 times right over 10,000 times violated the ceasefire agreement and

killed 500 civilians during this time in the past four days they killed over 600 civilians in

Lebanon and the the moment Hezbollah fired rockets back at Israel the EU the EU comes and they

condemn Hezbollah and like it has become scandalous for us because you don't have to like Hezbollah

to at least acknowledge that Israel has violated the ceasefire agreement 10,000 times right and

what is the use then of the EU well so what are you basically if you are just parroting every single

talking point of the US and the US is basically stepping over you humiliating you and calling you

like a useless vessel this is how they see you then what like there is no I mean I remember back

in the day when I was younger there was some still dignity and there was some dignified politicians

even in the West even in Europe you know like they used to say no for such emulation nowadays

like America is telling you we will occupy your Greenland you have your cars to play with the

United States in Iran in in the Middle East with Israel but you're just copying what America says and

now you expect what from America basically because they see you following them anyways so they're

committing strategies in my opinion suicide and the EU is over like at least in my eyes I don't see

like EU is as a credible functioning body any longer they are just following anyways so I think

this will lead into the end of the of of the EU in a matter of few years probably decades some

people say because the EU was built on the premise that this is a free continent you have free

speech we are the mediators we could mediate when there is I mean Germany used to play a

mediation role between Israel and and hezbollah and back in the day what was hezbollah the back in

the day hezbollah was not a terrorist organization and now it's a terrorist organization why do you

want to consider it now a terrorist organization why have you sold your previous role which you were

playing an active role in the Middle East right so now you're irrelevant because you just

sideline yourself by calling everyone a terrorist which basically fought against Israel it makes no

sense but yeah I mean if I say more then I will be in trouble so no I think it's I think it's

clear how this has gone over the years is it's a slow infiltration it's not even secret this is

a manipulation of these entities in order to stop them from pushing back against this larger

agenda which I see at this point is border it's this is the great reset this is globalism this is

all these are all different elements of this same kind of conglomerate of this agenda now just

before we move past this just the same idea of Israel's foreign ministry literally has the goal to

come out and say that this was an unprovoked attack by Lebanon you know but this is it's clear

where these narratives are driving from you know let's play this clip before we get too far away

from the last one so remember the setting up fake companies to affect the supply chain and this

is a former head of Assad making it clear that these technology the technology that they were

just discussing is in every country and has been for a very long time and at the numbers on a

page or attack as I remember correctly was over 75 percent women and children is that that's

I remember let me know if that's accurate yeah and the surprises and many many surprises yeah

like the intelligence surprise pages walkie talkies know how many equipment I mean treated

equipment but we haven't these countries you can't you know I do you mean I do you mean

movie chapter equipment not only will be trapped and spy manipulated equipment all right in which

countries you're looking at all the countries that you can imagine so that's them admitting that

that's in the United States right and in this interview there is something very important

happened and I think it deserves an attention that gives guy claims that they're spying everywhere

around the world like they have their compromise electronics they're spying on friendly countries

and enemy countries but somehow they didn't spy on Hamas when they carried out October 7 like

they compromised Hezbollah they assassinated Nasrallah they compromised in people inside Iran

they assassinated the leader there's many of the top generals including the supreme leader they

assassinated Hamas official inside Iran inside his hotel room through WhatsApp message which he

sent but somehow they didn't spy on the enemy on the border here preparing for a parachute attack

with some helicopter you saw this with paddles they were yeah it's unbelievable who who can

believe that this was a surprise attack nobody I mean this is a thing not even Israeli's believe

that today that's what's so interesting about the control they have over the mainstream narrative

that just refuses to budge despite the facts and everybody else's opinion you know it shows you

that's self evident to me you can decide the nuance about how that's being done but threats

money whatever that's clear you know and that's my opinion right but so right here this is so

it's obvious what we're discussing and this is alarming you're talking about a foreign

government that's committing genocide that clearly has control enough to stop these governments

from acknowledging that who is essentially threatening you know here Trump here's a golden

page or you can set in your office like this is this is these are meant to be in my mind threats

Netanyahu in his one American one Israel 50 states formed that 200 and something congressman came

to say that he said and I played this so many times I can't get passed out clear this is he says

he's talking about something else I think he's talking about weaponry or something has no

connection to it he just pivots and goes you have a phone in your pocket that was made in Israel

and then goes on to completely irrelevant then I'm and how do you miss what that means that's my

opinion still right yeah but sorry to let I know we have a limited time today probably about maybe

about the 13 more minutes so let's get into the point about the sleeper cells and just you know

we can just briefly cover this let me just rattle off some points here I think irrelevant and then

we can kind of end with this point because you know my old point showing this guys is this obvious

there are Israeli assets welcomed by these by the US government I mean Wilkerson again we'll

tell you on the record that they have assets or or care cow by the way this former CIA says they

have they knew how many unidentified is where we assets were in the country that they allowed to

be there right so I'm not suggesting it's not possible and in fact I would tell you it's absolutely

possible that Iranian sleeper cells can exist in this country but I believe with all this being said

and how much we can see and Iran by the way not yet attacking the US as a as a country even though

they would have the legal right to because of what the US government's doing it makes me question all

of this right and whether they're setting this up to create a false flag or just a threat in this but

this happened before I'm sure you saw this one this was back on the June 24 2025 where they came

out and they said we arrested 11 Iranian you know assets or sleeper cells and they literally

they had a literal army army ID from Iran I just laughed at that going because it's customary for

secret sleeper cells to be carrying the identification it later turned out these were just people

I mean it certainly could have been that we couldn't prove but I felt like that was a lie

we uh I'm a huge supporter of the some of the partisan elements here but Ryan

Mata pointed out that he interviewed some of these people and it turned out they were just

regular Iranian people it's from the magasite of it we have Hank Seth saying this I'll play it

really quickly this is back from March 2nd

Burns about Iranian sleeper cells and kind of what is the Trump administration been doing to kind

of monitor these things across the United agency uh in full coordination of course we're paying

attention to any potentialities there um there this is a former regime a regime uh that seeks to

export that ideology and try to uh so terror um all right we're ready for that we've we've seen

these types of folks before and the American people can rest assured that uh we're we're vigilant

on that uh kind of follow up on that last question there was just this what appears to be a terrorist

attack in Austin yesterday um does that change the operation at all what effect does that have

doesn't change the operation at all and I know the authorities are are executed exactly the way

right so just a non-answer you know even a quick comment and I go ahead I'll have all keep going

to leave I mean look the Iranians uh have carried out military and intelligence attacks against

American interests in the Middle East yeah Iran sees itself as a regional power and its

periphery is known where is the rules of engagement and where I can have my maneuvering etc day

spying on American forces in Dubai I was spying on American forces in other Gulf one

armies because the presence of this force in the region are they're tasked to carry on offensive

activities against Iran right itself and Iran has not at any point carried out let's say terrorist

attack in Europe let alone inside the United States now I'm open by the way for for for discussion

for for for debate about this that whether or not this would help Iran because this is the 101

of what I learned in in in my college in my university when we study political science and international

relations or try to analyze the situation is who benefits who benefits from this like what is the

um what is the point of Iran carrying carrying a terrorist attack so slip ourselves inside

the United States it delegitimizes its cause it paints it as a terrorist country

meanwhile Iran has been the one who was showing a lot of self-restraint to the point that the people

who were pro-accessive resistance started calling Iran like what are you doing basically people

started criticizing Iran for showing a lot of self-restraint and patients what they call the

strategic patients in the region and until this moment when there is an existential threat against them

they have not carried out terrorist attacks against the American interests in the region remember

they have assets in the region they could carry the car bomb they could carry a big explosion

somewhere against American forces or not or against civilians if they like to why would they come

to the United States it makes no sense strategically politically and also their reputation but

the easy thing to do is you paint your enemy as reckless as crazy not jobs they are religious

fanatics it's all projection it's a projection of what they are they projecting it on Iran

when they say they are religious not jobs um I'm not a Muslim but I have lived among Disha

Shia people for three years and I was respected I was protected by them and at no point

any person humiliated my dignity or religious beliefs and they were churches in Shia neighborhoods

you have a big Christian community inside Iran but they try to portray Iran as this crazy

fanatic not jobs so you strip this player of its sanity you call it like the Hitler everybody is a

Hitler of the 21st century then any action carried out under false flag operation for example you

could accuse your your enemy and say that they are the ones who are carrying these attacks because

those are crazy people right but the crazy people are the ones who are in charge in Washington

DC nowadays they're in charge in Tel Aviv and they're in charge in Syria for example those

are truly crazy not jobs who truly believe in some religious fanaticism who truck off people's

heads but Donald Trump's praising with a perfume when he comes to the White House I think this

tells you everything you need to know about this so-called in alleged yeah like we have the moral

high ground you know we in America we have the moral high ground your politicians do not have

any moral high ground believe me like especially the Epstein class they don't have any moral high ground

become very very much aware of that now I believe we only have like a little bit time left so let me

just play one more thing for you and then we could wrap on this last statement you have enough time

for that yeah yeah okay perfect so basically just wanted to show this which I find interesting

on the timing of all this so that was the second right you have them basically some people claiming

that X was the sleeper cells there's no evidence really or port came out showing that the White House

sort of blocked the warning report that was supposed to go around I felt like that was sort of like a

trying to draw attention to it I'm not sure how that wrap worked out but it's interesting

Iran's maybe activating sleeper cells we saw on the night that was going around even Groc will tell

you that there's no publicly confirmed evidence at all it seems to be suspicions from the government

it just seems kind of like an obvious setup here's what Trump said I'll pretty much end with that

we've got threats of drone stealing and you know it's all coming down he says the warning

the it'll come and we'll end soon the globalists the globalists all the globalists those democrats

and these guys are drowning in his inability to acknowledge what's really happening right now

but all of them had a general on this last clip and I just think it's the nothing

response from these people this is what he said Iran's sleeper cells there could be

inside the US right now I have been and a lot of people came in through Biden with this stupid

open border but we know where most of them are we've got our eye on all of them I think

they came in through the open border policies of sleepy Joe Biden one of the worst the worst

president in the history of our country and we've got our eyes on all of them but the war itself

is being prosecuted a level that nobody seen me so if he knows if they know where they are and they

have an eye on them so they can't carry on any attacks right this is what he said this is what

I understood I guess or that he's watching the thing about it I mean they're watching them to carry

on the attack and it's also just a nothing answer just we're strong shut up you know but the

final thoughts on the way out I know you have limited time the final thoughts on like you know

where this goes sleeper cells the Iran false you know the unjustified start of it you know just

give me your final thoughts on where this goes and hopefully we can connect again I think for a

post flag is definitely a possibility however what Iranians have done basically today I got

an article called Iran's Samsung option and Iran's Samsung option is not nuclear weapons it is

actually the threat of rumors and through blocking the threat of rumors and choking the

basically the flow of the fuel and energy resources to the outside world I think this was

more effective in creating the conditions to hit or give a strong blow to the American

to the American strategy and Israeli strategy in the region through economic means rather than

through the missiles that have been raining over Israel and other countries in the region I think

what the Iranians have found now that they found themselves in a situation where they enjoy

leverage over the United States after they were being pounded for the past two years jointly we

are the Americans and the Israelis in this case and once the existential threat emerged against them

and they basically blocked the threat of rumors and blinded the frontline spying technologies

of the United States they saw the vulnerability in the in the empire so once you see an

vulnerability in the empire you don't want to strike a ceasefire agreement until you come to a new

terms on the a security architecture in the region I think the Iranians are

uh hitting the United's where it hurts the most the energy prices and they're trying to turn the

public against him inside the United through this economic means they don't need for attacks

inside terrorist attacks inside the United States to turn the people or to turn the situation

upside down you only need for the fuel prices to increase and increase and increase until the

people will be fed up with this war and I think the Americans know it very well um I suspect this

is just my opinion another week give it another week and you will see that the Americans want to

withdraw from this and they want to withdraw from this with coffees offering a ceasefire agreement now

but Iranians will not accept the military cessation of hostilities but they will continue

tracking the threat of rumors until they reach to a new level of deterrence against the US and

Israel and also new security architecture in the region which would give Iran its basically rightful

right because any power has a rightful right to have its influence in the region

and or at least its independence Iran wants to stay independence and not part of the Abraham

of course of the greater Israel project and I think for the first time and please correct me if

I'm wrong since World War II I haven't seen the US and Israel jointly receiving this type of

blow that would show clearly with our objective eyes that there is a limit for the US empire and

this was the limit and from now on we will see that the US will retreat in from from certain

files because the military power is not the only means that you can achieve your expansionist

aspirations in the region there is history at there are different factors there is history there

is politics there is economics and there is the psychology of the people that the American decision

makers thinks when you have big guns then you can impose your will on the rest of the world but

that's not how things work nowadays in the 21st century so I think this was a great lesson

and this had to be this had to happen it's a wake up call for America also to go back and do

America first which would help Americans and we would help us immensely also in the region well

thank you for that very insightful discussion really hope people pay attention I'll end with saying

that I agree with you entirely I don't think that in any way Iranian sleeper cells or any form

of act like that it benefits them at all whether seen or not in fact I think that's obvious what

that benefits and I expect that to go that route in some false flag direction based on the obvious

point that that helps Israel in the United States just like the gassing in Syria was not a saw that

was created for the same purpose you know this is old and tired this is old hack guys they've

done this over and over so thank you for your insight brother and I hope you can talk again soon

thank you so much I think it's always ready out there question everything come to your own

group stay vigilant Briginski was the strategist for Jimmy Carter and convinced Jimmy Carter to say

look the Russians are dominating Afghanistan with a civilian secular government let's create al Qaeda

let's back Osama bin Laden and give his supporters weapons to begin fighting the Russians and we

can pull a coup d'etat there and the Russians will fight back and then we'll say the Russians invaded

and it worked Saudi Arabia made a deal with America that they would push the Wahabi extremists

the al Qaeda the most right wing wing of Islamic parties and it worked essentially al Qaeda

is a contract army for the United States well the same thing was happening in Russia what

Briginski wrote was that America's faced with a possibility of not being able to rule the world

unilaterally any countries economic ability to be self-sufficient means potential military power

and in order to prevent any country from threatening America militarily you have to prevent it from

developing economically the American nightmare Briginski wrote was that Russia would get together

with Germany and with Western Europe creating Russian raw materials German industry and somehow

finally Russia would become Westernized America under Briginski's strategy said this would be

a disaster because if Russia is Westernized if it becomes democratic if Europe and Russia are

prosperous then we cannot control them anymore and they will have no reason to be NATO we've got

to stop Russia and the place to stop this Russian European conglomeration is to split it right at

the border down Ukraine let's do a new crane what we did in Afghanistan let's back the crazies

well most of them are the former neo-Nazi groups that have been so prominent