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Welcome to the Kings Beat podcast.

I'm James Ham Kings insider for ESPN 1320.

And the Kings Beat joining me today.

KCR A3.

Sean Cunningham.

Sean, how are you?

Uh, this feels like turn back the clock night.

I didn't know we still did this podcast.

It's been a while since I've seen the both the two of you.

Brennan and James, but it's a beautiful, gorgeous Saturday afternoon.

Been watching a ton of both men and women's college basketball baseball too.

Baseball's back.

Hey, I know Brennan's a Giants fan.

You think they'll get a hit this season for hits for two games.

Zero run.

Strike out though.

It's not been good.

They have not been good.

Okay.

We also we need to introduce Brendan Eunice from the Kings Pulse podcast.

Brendan, how are you?

Hello, hello.

I am doing well.

Uh, lighting a candle.

We moved on from the sunrise woods.

Uh, went through all the woods this morning.

And we are now onto uh, autumn woods.

Apparently.

You like a, you like a lot of wood, don't you?

Yeah.

It smells, smells good.

Smells good.

A lot of wooded by fruit.

Uh,

your room smells of rich macaw, rich mahogany.

The jokes write themselves.

They, they write themselves.

Welcome in.

Everyone we're doing a live show.

Hopefully, uh, it fills up in here.

Everyone hangs out with us on this beautiful Saturday afternoon.

Absolutely gorgeous here in the Sacramento area.

I think there's rain heading, uh, back to sack, which is a bummer.

Very little.

Very little.

Yeah.

I mean, it was funny because, uh, I was, I was paying attention to our fine meteorologist folks.

Uh, I think that's very.

I think it was a very, very scary.

Today Heather Waldman, last night, Heather Waldman, she's like,

gripping about how the forecast was showing a lot of rain.

And it just, the doctor just kept getting smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.

So it's like, you might get a sprinkler too, but now,

Okay.

Nothing to shake a fist at.

So I don't need to pull my exterior couch cushions.

Uh, see what does that mean?

What does that there outside?

Those could you have cushions outside?

Like a little patio here on my, my side, my back deck.

Yeah. Yeah. So yes, I probably do. I need to pull the cushions at least for a day and not pull the covers off the boats yet. Oh, wait, oh, wait, you hear that people boats will take a while to get through all of them. Yeah, boats, beats, Battlestar Galactica.

Okay, welcome in to the Kingspeed podcast. We have not done a show for a little bit. We've been extremely busy. All three of us are trying to match well. Yeah.

Yeah. Before we start everything, I have big shout out to Chris Bederman and his lovely wife, who welcomed a little baby into the world over the weekend. So big shout out to the Bederman's super good dude.

Hopefully you guys all get a chance out there in the world to meet Chris Bederman at some point. He's a good dude.

And his wife, his wife, who I work with at Case Area 3 reporter and, and, and Phil and anchor with us, Leanne Denure, you've ever seen her on the TV screen. She's fantastic. Yeah, she's really nice.

Chris is like one of the more underrated media members. I feel like Chris really knows his stuff and doesn't, isn't recognized enough by a lot of King's fans. He does a lot of great Niners stuff too. And I think that's probably more his, his true interest, I guess.

But I think he does great King's work. Yeah, him and Kyle Mattson have the candlestick Chronicles. So make sure you're, you're tuning into candlestick Chronicles. Lots of stuff happening with the Niners. I think I even have their beer. I do.

I can tell you like it. Are we missing one in the back? Yeah, but I didn't. Okay, at least you drank. Oh, well, I, that looked full to me. I didn't even, I didn't even think you would even tried the beer. You're just like, how it's easier for decades. It's a hazy IPA. Well, no, I use it as, I support their podcast. What are you talking about?

We could drink their beer. I did. I did drink some of those bitter men with the hell. I think you drink one. Yeah. So they, they partner with the local brewery and, and have their own beer, which is awesome.

All right. Let's, let's dive into all kinds of stuff. Sean doesn't want this to be King's related, but we are called the King's beat. It's, well, here's the thing. There's a thing. Yes, you talk Kings, you talking. Well, we can, there's a lot going on that in the NBA that has implications on the Kings and the League.

It has a whole, and I think, you know, you can broaden the horizons a bit is all I'm saying. We're going to really break down Dequan Jeffries big game coming up from the G league for a hardship. No, I mean, come on.

Let's be realistic about what this team is doing and the stats they're putting up against teams in meaningless basketball games.

Yeah, it is meaningless in 1955. This is meaningless. There's only eight games left in the season. Wait, yeah, yeah, it just eight games left. We have back to backs by the end of the weekend. And then by the time the team gets home, there only be five games left in the season.

I don't know. Where do we start? Where do we, you brought up Dequan Jeffries there.

I hate you. I hate you so much. He spent a single solitary second talking about Dequan Jeffries. We're not going to.

We're not going to. They've cornered the market on Dequan's or Dequan's. The first time he was here, he went by Dequan. Now it's Dequan, like Dequan.

But no, it does bring us let's start with this. We are watching like, I don't know, between eight and 10 players go out and play each and every night, half of them are either two way contracts, 10 day contracts or rookies, some of which are undrafted or second round picks.

I just basically described I think five of the eight players that were played tonight, five of the nine 10 players.

And it just kind of like triggers my like what exactly are we seeing here that will translate to things going forward.

And we'll start with Max right now, because I do think Max has done enough to either either be the starting center next season or to be a major rotational player for this team, whether Domas is back or not. Do you guys agree with that?

I do not. If Domas bonus is on your team, he's your starting center.

Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean that Max isn't your backup.

Well, you said starting.

I said starting or whether, but whether Domas, yeah, I mean, he's a rotational piece at this point, absolutely, unless they, you know, make some sort of, you know, move in the offseason, but no, I would expect Max to be your backup center.

Brandon.

Yeah, I tend to think the same. This is something Sean and I have talked about a little bit off record of not to share your opinion to Sean.

But I think that we both kind of feel bad a little bit for having to be the guys that are like pumping the brakes a little bit on right now, but I think context is is important here.

You know, you guys say it all the time, like every bad team has a 20 point score.

And I think it's 100% a credit to the rookie that it's been him over the last three games, 22 points, 30 points, 32 points.

Like that's no easy task. He's doing it efficiently, 10 of 13, 11 of 17, 13 and 25, maybe not so much, but still fine.

I like that he's shooting the three ball a little bit more. That's something that's intriguing to me, especially if he's going to play with Domas eventually.

I'm really skeptical about what that looks like defensively with that pairing.

I think both of them have their question marks individually and together it's probably even worse.

But that three ball coming around a little bit more is encouraging and I think the touch is probably what you like to see the most that and how he's progressed in the pick and roll like the patience and timing of rather than just hard rolling to the basket every time.

So I'm going to stop it a little bit sooner and those push shots that make me think of the patent pending.

Domas on homes push shot and things like that.

But I still think defensively there's a lot of work to do. There's inconsistent rebounding.

I would say from Maxi and not a very good defender. Like to me, I think I still do have a lot of questions about.

What sort of regular he's going to be in the NBA like I feel solid about a backup center that is offensive focused.

I just don't feel like those guys have that much value in the modern NBA like this isn't to take away from what he's doing.

I think it's very impressive, but I've struggled a little bit to figure out like what does this mean for him long term.

And so I guess a long-winded way of me saying I'm still not like 100% convinced hey, this guy needs to be part of the next great king's team.

I think it's encouraging. But again, right now I'm thinking offensive backup center and I just don't think that archetype has that much value with modern NBA.

Okay, no, I get that.

I do think though we're also seeing like the first version of Max right now.

Like I do think that there's a ton of room for growth even on the offensive end.

I mean, I think we're going to see more threes. We're going to see more of him being a like offensive hub where they can start running some plays through him.

I think the kings have been conservative with using him as a like in the DHO or as outside of anything other than the pick and roll.

And I do think there's a lot more there. I also think that like an offseason away.

He probably will work tirelessly to get stronger to get bigger and to potentially hold his position better on the defensive side of the ball.

But that may not equate to him being a better defender. I mean, he's not going to be an elite shop blocker, although we did have that one stretch where he had like eight blocks and three games.

But I have seen growth on that side of the ball. I just don't think overall the kings are very good offensively.

I mean, defensively and it doesn't help that, you know, he's kind of out on an island there when it comes to defending defending the goal.

But I also like, is there a possibility here that he is an NBA starting center? Are we are we out on that or is it just like we got a wait and see.

For me, it's definitely a wait and see and look, I everything I look with it with Max. I don't want to take away from what this is.

I mean, we expected this kid to be playing a lot of games in G League and being around the team and maybe not, you know, getting nearly the opportunity he's been given.

He's had a full NBA season really. So this is incredibly valuable.

He's had to learn on the fly. He's had to, you know, adjust and really go out there. And I think he's handled it incredibly incredibly well.

There's no but there. My only concern is just warning King's fans like, you know, development is not a linear line and so, you know, and so.

I just don't want anyone to all of a sudden think all these stats and meaningless basketball and where they're at in the season equates to a year for a year later.

And if he takes a step back or saying that he's trash at that point, you know what I mean? Like it's just not building him up to be something he's not. He's not Wiltschambleen guys. He's not Victor Wimbledon Yama.

He's just Maxine Reno and he go out there and he does a lot of nice things very, very well.

So I think there's there's a bright future ahead for him all in all likelihood, but I'm not ready to annoy him a starting center.

He's not ready to be what demonets of bonuses to an NBA team or what Victor Wimbledon Yama is to an NBA team.

So yeah, I just think that, you know, context definitely matters. And more times than not, he's going up against a team that isn't playing their best guys.

He's going up against a lot of teams that don't have NBA, you know, what I would call the traditional NBA player.

You have a lot of guys that are filling voids for a lot of these teams, especially with Sacramento where they're sitting a lot of players at this point.

So anyway, yeah, I think I think everything is a positive for sure. I'm in the camp of positive team.

I don't think looking at him, like trying to decide in March of 2026 what his role looks like for next year's team is all that value is all that helpful for you as a fan or even Max Brinnell as a player.

Well, that and I would add this to like the stats were stats kind of like go wonky years when you're such a bad team.

And, you know, like I would just point out like Max right now this season, I'm going to compare him to somebody 11.9.7.3 rebounds.

How about 11.7.4 rebounds? That's Jason Thompson's rookie season.

And Jason Thompson was on a bad, bad basketball team and had plenty of opportunity his second season, the average is 12 and a half and like 8.4.

That was the the pinnacle of Jason Thompson. He went downhill from there. He never had another season to match those stats at all. And that's where I would just like caution fans.

And I do believe that Max has a lot more to give like the percentages, the range is different. I think he can stretch it out and start playing some three.

Some corner, you know, shooting the corner three a lot more. I think he can do a lot more than Jason Thompson.

But I would also caution people that, you know, rookie seasons or or second seasons don't really matter when you're playing for a team that is winning 19 games and losing 50 55.

So it's currently career high and points per game was his rookie season. And it's very different context. Marvin's the number three pick, but I think it's a there's a decent comp there, a little bit of an offensive centered big, you know, and a lot of what I struggle when people are like, hey, is Max starting center long term.

I don't know who you compare him to, you know, like I've thought of like Kelly olympic previously. I don't think he's the offensive player shooter and passer put the ball on the deck. I think Kelly is maybe eventually you get to that point. Kelly's also more of a backup.

Is there some sense of like Joseph use of nerdgage in there a little bit. I think that's a weirder comp, but for me, it's very hard to find an example of a guy like Max in the league.

Yeah, I mean, and he's a lot bigger than boost of it's probably not like the right self creator the same way.

Yeah, not the self creator and and I need him to board a hell of a lot more because boost of it you go get you 20 rebounds like in his sleep if you wanted to.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know that I don't know that, you know, Max can be able to I mean his biggest thing to me is you're going to get bigger. You have to get stronger, but his feel for the game is just incredible.

You don't there's a lot of there's a lot of guys that that I would say majority of players that come into the league, whether they're lottery picks drafted, undrafted, whatever don't have the feel that he has for the game.

He has a I think just an incredible understanding of space of what teams are trying to do offense defense.

He has his biggest shortcomings around the defensive end and his physicality and you know, you can grow into that and that I think that's promising and if he can stretch the floor, which we're hoping to see a little bit more of maybe in these remaining eight games, see what even something like summer, you know, even in something like summer league, which is relatively meaningless for the most part, but him playing summer league this year, even though he's had such a tremendous amount of opportunity in this NBA season will be an interesting way to look at him.

He's going to build some chemistry with whoever they draft, I mean, you're going to have me and you're going to have, you know, max and hopefully Dylan on that team and you're going to have their draft pick and you're going to build some continuity there.

But also looking at max is kind of a little bit of a focal point too, because let's face it, you don't have the biggest teams in in summer league and he should be able to be able to put up some points.

How does he, how does he play as is kind of a focal point as opposed to, you know, having a brilliant point guard, you know, setting him up a lot of times with, you know, with for an easy bucket, because let's face it, most of his stuff is very, very simple right around the right around the rim and he gets the touch. So, yeah, I just, I think that's going to be very, very invaluable all the while him getting bigger.

I think he's impressively done it without us recently, too, because there's a lot of a narrative and I fell into this too of well, he's benefiting a lot from just rust pick and roll, like you mentioned, rust set him up easy.

I think some of the other guys guards have probably learned from us the easy way to do that and I imagine that Max is sharing with the other guys what he needs a little bit there.

But I think a lot of it is also just betting on him as a person. I think the Kings feel good about who he is, the work that he does day to day and I do, you know, from the impression that I've gotten in the brief that we've spoke to him, like I think he's handling this season very well.

I think it'd be hard for a lot of rookies to lose as many games as they're losing right now, not something they've experienced throughout their life.

And I think he's done a really good job of individually still also finding ways to improve and make this season meaningful to him as a player and I think he's just very much approached it the right way.

Yeah, I do have concerns about what he looks like when he doesn't have a true point guard on the court. I do. And like he had one good game without rust.

The next game wasn't as good. And you're just like, hey, is anyone going to set him up for the pick and roll and the answer is no, like Demard Rose in the other night had 11 assists, they were all on sprays, like flipping the ball out to shooters or hitting guys that are cutting at the rim, he doesn't have a pick and roll game.

And I do think that there's a problem there, especially even Killian Hayes, Killian Hayes is left handed, he prefers to go left, he's got great court vision, but he's not having the same success as a roller with Killian that he did with any of the other point guards, it really does come down to whether Malik decides to be the setup and and that's the one game where Malik had 14 assists that max really jumped off the table like jumped off the score, the box score.

So I think he's going to have to figure that one out, but at the same time, like I think the Kings have done a lot of like what Kentucky does with their big men or used to do or John Caliper, he does with his big man, they've changed him to the basket for the most part and said, hey, you're just going to do this, you're just going to be really good at that little flip shot and we'll grow during the offseason, we're not going to grow during the season.

Let's skip to let's skip to Nick Clifford, what do you think Nick Clifford has done enough, he's going to be on the roster for sure, but it does he has he done enough to be on a rotation next season, depending on what the Kings do, but realistically, there's a point here where it seems like they've decided he's going to be either starter or a major rotation piece and has he done enough to earn that.

Assuming the Kings are bad again next year, like I'm expecting, then I think that he should definitely be part of the rotation because he's still a little bit of a project, I know our buddy Jake Gaden who covered him in Colorado will always point out that every one of his stops, there was a notable adjustment period before he eventually settled in, and I think that you started to see that a little bit more as this year has played out him looking more comfortable.

Miss the last few games we plan crap ton of minutes, like flirting with 40 minutes on a lot of these nights, if not surpassing that, and so you know encouraging guy that I think that Jack of all trades master of none is very fitting with Nick Clifford and sometimes that can be a little bit concerning because I do think you need to have a strength in the NBA, but we've talked about it like I've mentioned don't even chenzo and keelogs and or walk or Derek white like I don't think he's the caliber of these guys.

And Dante's in a lower tier than the other two it's probably closer to maybe what we're talking about with Nick Clifford, but those guys have a lot of value to me it's it's the three point shot I think he looks the shot looks better when he's not wide open and thinking about it at least just I test what it sort of looks like to me because sometimes he's putting the ball on the deck and being able to make these tough shots he was a guy that was taken and creating mid range looks and summer league I don't think we've really seen that very much.

But I think there's something he's one of those guys Sean mentioned summer league earlier he should really benefit from summer league this coming season I think being able to have the ball in his hands and utilize that playmaking his comfortability with both hands I think is something that you'd like to see emerge a little bit more here because that Jack of all trades I think putting the ball on the deck is is a big part of that and being able to attack close outs but for that the three point shot needs to be going down and into me that's probably the end.

Jack's factor here which it kind of is for a lot of these Kings younger guys.

Well and I don't even think you mentioned his best ability which is rebounding.

If he was a master of one that would to me I think that would be where he's at his best is being a rebounding even in the NBA you can see him go get the ball which is great.

I think that you know I like his approach to the game I like him being a little bit of a Swiss army night being able to to add to do whatever is asked of him we're seeing a lot of play having him play a lot with the ball in his hands and being kind of a quasi point guard out there.

I think that's just going to help his development and that's what this year right now is at this point for I don't know what next year's for I mean it's just a that's a really a question I can't really entertain James I don't you know he's currently part of your future he's you know I think there's not really a world again.

Not really a world that exists that where he doesn't see playing time now is he a you know a piece offensively is he a starting piece no probably not is he a top seven piece on your team probably not he probably shouldn't be but you know that that's for an off season and everything to kind of dictate and he's got a lot of room to grow so I like what he can provide I've liked his rookie year but if there's one area that I think he needs to absolutely improve if he's going to be an NBA player.

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Yeah I would agree with you there too and my biggest concern too is that he's had a ton of opportunity here and he's still averaging less than seven points a game and you know for a good portion of the season he's actually got starter minutes you know he's at 24 minutes for a game right now but like overall he's played just a ton he's at 67 games played at this point and well I guess he's at 7.7 points that that's my bad so I just think that there's a ton of words.

I just think that there's a ton of room to grow but I'm watching other players who kind of know who they are who are instantly like averaging more than that and showing that they have a higher ceiling as a score and I don't think he has to be just a pure score I think the versatility on defense the versatility on offense those are all good things but it needs to be each and every night and I think what we've seen so far as you know one night he'll score big and then he won't score big for another like two weeks.

And that's just not going to he's got to find the consistency and just be you know who cares who cares about a scoring like he's playing with De Marta Rosen he's playing like he's not a scoring option on that team right now and so any bucket he gets is just you know gravy at that point they don't need him out there to score.

Well you need him out there to score when De Marta Rosen is playing alongside precious to a max right now and killing and hating.

But I'm saying I'm not I'm not looking at a scoring to dictate whether or not he had a good game like he can't be you know one of mine would be inefficient but but scoring put that aside like he's not a score that's not what he that's not what he adds to this to any of this team like that's not that's not a definition of a good player is for him to be a score.

No but Steve you.

But it's true I mean for him it's it's incredibly true look you know.

My revuttles that that would be though we're talking about a team where he's playing some nights 40 minutes and like he has to score because that's the team doesn't have like they've got De Marta and then that's it.

They've got more long and they've got I mean typically they have when you're typically getting outscored by day quamplout in the entire time precious yeah and pressure I mean that just kind of tells me is like hey man like there is a moment here where you have to do more.

And so much of those instances especially in the likes of someone like max of precious their buckets are easy they're in the they're in the paint they're around the hoop that's not that's not neat that's what I'm saying he has to be a better shooter I agree.

You know that's where he will take that next step but you know big quamplout is also in for a guy who you know it hasn't played the ton in the NBA being 27 kind of gives him a little bit more of a.

You know read to the game and being able to you know operate this is all very new to me.

And so again I think the Swiss Army thing is this army knife for him I think is is is perfect but you know no one's asking him to go out there and score 20 no one's out to go out there and score and be a leading score in this team and then to define that by you had a good game because you scored like that that's that's just my point.

No no I think my my point to is that like if we're going to say hey Max Ray knows points don't really matter because he's playing on a team that's asked.

Then we have to look at a player who's playing on that same team and not scoring at all.

As a problem well when he's but he but again he's playing a specific role like again getting they're trying to get easy buckets and where's Max he's right he's the biggest guy right by the hoop he's pouring it in right.

Yeah I mean that's they're it's not like the shooting three.

It doesn't matter to the ceiling conversation though of me like we're talking about what sort of player is he long term like to go back to my three comps like the difference between dente even chenzo in the keolog's and a walker and Derek white is what level can they.

Create their own looks and create for their teammates and how consistently can they do it right that's Dante's flaw is that every once in a while you're going to have a game where you're like what the hell was that.

You're going to have a couple possessions a game where you're like okay that was kind of I used to have a counter and this has happened for a couple players but a counter of like all right you get one or two what the hell are you doing.

It's a game because you do make up for it but that's the difference is the level of consistency with those players and I do think that that's probably been the biggest slight I guess to.

To neek throughout the season the other thing we haven't mentioned is the fouling balance really bad he I think that it's a credit to him that he's trying to be an active off wall defender but he gets a lot of the rookie files that I imagine would eventually slow down over time both because.

He's a rookie and he's just learning the nature of the game but again trying to be active and help defense and I think learning the ways to do that a little bit better rather than you know randomly swiping your hand in there and getting called for a foul but something I'd imagine will clean up over time.

Yeah and I think it's tough for anyone to stand out defensively when this team is so bad defensively as a whole and you're just trying to do whatever you.

Wow wow full cut out we just booted James we did that was hilarious to your point of the context by the way by the way for people watching.

We are people watching YouTube we can't affect the the little skin here so you can't really see our faces all this lift up that's true yeah anyway go ahead sorry where you say Brennan yeah I mean I think that the lack of three point shooting really hurt sneak not his.

Yeah three point shooting but the teams three point shooting right like there's no spacing on this team and as somebody that is able to put the ball in the deck and be a good playmaker like I think he would really really benefit from having Keegan Murray de Andre Hunter out there because Malik Munk is the only guy shooting ball well on this team and he is shooting the crap out of the ball by the way Malik has picked quite a year to have a career year from three.

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Yeah it's it's tough it's tough to sort of grade who he is as a player especially in such a chaotic season and I'll add this other piece to with Nick.

I think you know when the best player on your team is Domardo Rosen who still does not require double team at all when that's your best player and all the attention is is just you know there is no attention drawing player.

You know the biggest attention drawing player on this team is when Doug McDermott comes off the bench that does make up it makes it more difficult for everybody involved because now you're going one on one and your guys not sagging off you because he doesn't have to.

He doesn't have to go do help defense and I think that this the King's bad offense is is definitely it doesn't help anyone you know doesn't get anyone open there's no focus there's no star player to like have to collapse on or anything else so.

All right let's get to let's get to Dylan Cardwell because I do think Dylan Cardwell is going to be part of what what's happening going forward since he's been back from injury he has not been the same player like completely out of rhythm fouling everybody we're starting to see him slowly get back into who we was before but where you guys out with Dylan.

I mean defensively I think encouraging stuff encouraging probably the best way to say it in my mind rather than extremely impactful in the current moment you mentioned the fouling but I think that he obviously plays with great energy and having the want to to defend the rim I think is really important there's the verticality that I think still needs to be worked on and just getting the spots half a second half a step quicker than he usually does right now.

But for the most part I mean I think fairly encouraging he has the best defensive rating on the team for what it's worth outside of killing Hayes and if you care about the five or the 41 Dario sorry minutes obviously lock down defender.

But yeah I mean I think that he has been encouraging it for the most part there still is the big question of okay what do you do offensively and that's not what he's there for but how do you survive.

On that end and I think improving as a screen setter and roller to the basket I'd be curious if we ever reach some point where a coach it has enough Dylan Cardwell scouting that they're like hey let's foul this guy every time you touch the ball and I'm honestly curious if that would take him out of the game because sometimes we've seen it in practice that's really bad it's also gotten notably better like it's still not good but it was like even worse at the beginning of the year.

Which honestly is ready to him.

It looked worse in Chris Dudley I mean it looked like when some of the worst free throws I'd ever seen in my life and he's gotten so much better at it I agree I just say what excuse me.

Why would you say what Dylan for me I'm just cautiously optimistic I mean I think he's he's earned the NBA contract with this team.

The cynical side of me would say that doesn't say much because this team is a very good but I'm just you know I'm I don't think anybody has really earned anything to be honest like no one should be feeling like stretch their legs and be like I got I got it this is my team I'm going to be here because this team is so asked that they're going to do anything that they can to make it better and no one's protected so.

I just don't want anyone to hold it against a shot that they're you know still in cardboard guys like he's the back end rotational piece if at all and.

You know get out there play defense do what you do hopefully you can get better friendly reminder of Isaac Jones totally balling out and I don't believe he's currently on a team.

Wow yeah it's tough I think he's in the G league but I'm not sure I believe the G league yeah yeah yeah when I'm looking at Dylan my biggest concern which.

We'll kind of equate here like I don't know.

Like I like the Ben Wallace comparison he has a long ways to go before he's been Wallace but I still like the comparison that he.

He made yeah a whole the fame but also a guy who basically averaged around what what Dylan is averaging like a good rebounder per minute a good shop blocker all that stuff I think the jump from the college game where he averaged five and five.

It's to the program program where he's averaging almost six and almost eight is pretty like incredible to look at that and go huh like he's got more in him but I do wonder like what is will he get lost in the shuffle if.

Don Moss is back and Max is the backup center and you bring precious back and all of a sudden you know you start looking at like a crowded front line.

And especially if you're going to have to play gig and Murray at that at the for at some point and you know like so I think that there's a bit of a question about what a log jam looks like at that position and how he gets on the court I also.

I wonder what it looks like if a different coach is coaching the team and you know that's not to say that I I know or think that there's going to be a different coach coaching the team but.

You know it's one thing for Doug Christie to fall in love with Dylan Cardwell will the next coach if there is a new coach down the road have that same exact love for Dylan Cardwell or will he lose patience with the you know the guy that you have to hide in the dunker spot and on the baseline.

Almost offensive plays and a guy who picks up a lot of fouls so I think that there's a an interesting like like question about who will be here and who won't.

Going into next season just put a ribbon on that I guess of if Don Moss is healthy right and let's say they don't pick can Booster because I would just complicate this further who's the backup center is it Maxi right now or is it Dylan Cardwell or are they playing together.

I think they're not playing I think it well I if they do they're not going to be a good team or they're not going to be a very good team I would say I would say it's Maxi for sure.

Because I just feel like he gives you a little bit more but you know I think it just that would be my guess I think I think there's a world where he can trust me there's a world where both of them can play.

I just don't think you're going to be any damn good and they probably won't be but I still think they need a.

I still think they're going to have a lot of tinkering to do with this roster and you know don't fall in love with any player.

No I'm with you there let's get to the next guy which is day one I've been super impressed with with day one day one plounts ability to hit big shots and big moments and you know again his three point shooting overall isn't great this season.

No where near where he was as a as a g league player but in I think there are three games that he won or that I would count as like him shooting the kings into the game where they could win.

Again I don't think he wanted to win any of those games because most of them were against bad teams but I also you know I watched the game the other night where he's hitting big shots in the fourth quarter and go six to 10 from three.

I like his defense I like his physicality I don't care that he's 27 because it's not like he's got a bunch of miles on him and I do think the kings if they were in a different situation coming down the stretch here.

They would have probably given him a contract for next season as well over killing and Hayes but when you started having injuries at the point guard position they really didn't have a lot of choice there.

So where are we at with day one and you know again I think roster but not rotation unless you break in case of emergency or it's just a really bad roster again.

Bingo nailed it really bad roster you know I he can give you things look at everything finding good players all about consistency right and you have to maximize what's really unfair for a lot of back end rotational pieces and guys that are just getting opportunities is.

You're expected to go out there and hold your mud for the amount of minutes that you get and do it at a consistent level and it's really hard for guys to be able to find that consistency you don't get any time to float you don't get any time to kind of get comfortable but right now is the perfect time for that and I think he's maximizing the opportunity.

I don't know if he's an NBA player I think I think you know I think that there's opportunity that could even exist beyond the Sacramento Kings with the right situation but yeah I mean he's he's doing what's been asked of him he's had some good moments hopefully leads to something for him does he have a future on the Kings I don't know but I just you're a bad bad bad team you know got to play got to have guys to play basketball.

He's an interesting one to me over the last how many games do we got here nine games for what it's worth 15.9 points you shooting 39% from three on seven and a half a game 27 years old older player I love what he does defensively I think he's just kind of a dog on that end a really good guy applying pressure on ball fighting through screens obviously kind of a freak athlete we've seen with some of these dunks.

I think that he is a really solid defender and shooting the three ball is again like a lot of these guys kind of the X factor I think that's what he's improved over recent years throughout his career to get him to this point of the two way with the Kings.

He played in the California Classic Summer League for the Warriors and was like debatably their best player and it wouldn't surprise me if that's what caught the Kings attention eventually signing this two way.

I kind of feel like a good team might be more intrigued by day quamplout and he still has two years left of two way eligibility and to me like if I'm the Houston Rockets for example and need some winged up like hey what about a two way today quamplout and seeing if he happens to flirt with the back of our rotation of Dorian Finney Smith goes down or whatever it may be like I'd be curious if you know a situation like the Kings next year we're again not expecting him to be good and that means that he's not going to be good.

And that means he could potentially get more minutes is that the best thing for his career or would it be going to one of these more quality teams and attempting to break into the rotation and being converted from a two way.

So to me a player that I think is really intriguing like Tori Craig is a guy that got his first two way deal at 27 years old as well.

Sort of comparable to day quamplout I think that's the idea here at Tori Craig a Royce O'Neill sort of player and you're starting to see that a little bit like if the three balls can be falling consistently as Doug Christie say if a shot is created it must be taken I think sometimes he and meet Clifford can pass up on solid looks at times but if he's if he's automatic from three which I don't think we're at that point yet but there's certainly been stretches where it absolutely feels like that like you mentioned James where he's shooting them back into game.

With what he does defensively as well I think there's a really intriguing player there may be more so for another team next year rather than the actual king squad.

Okay yeah I like day quamplout I actually you know I think the player that he replaced he's actually played better than and that's Keon Ellis and like I just think he's been more consistent.

He's not as good a three point shooter just say is a natural three point shooter Keon's better he's not as good a steel man but I think he's a better overall like chess to chess defender and so I think that you know again we can go back and look but I don't remember Keon I mean averaging over 10 points a game on the season just wasn't going to happen and this is a player that he's taken advantage of the opportunity.

And I think the numbers are inflated because he's playing on a bad team and he's getting more minutes and he would typically get but at the same time I do like the type of player and he's a type of player that you know if you go look at the Indiana Pacers or you look at the Oklahoma City Thunder they have a bunch of these types of players these six foot five six foot six guys who are defensive minded shoot the three ball and can give you a little bit more than once you expect on any given night and so I kind of I like him and I would.

I would definitely try to fit him back into the roster for next season and then if he makes it into the rotation he makes it into the rotation.

But you can also do better than day one problem I mean I think upside swings are probably more what you should use your two ways with yeah yeah and I don't mean to I'm not trying to I'm just trying to you know paint a picture of like there's talent in the NBA.

There's a lot of good talent to some NBA rosters he may be very well one of those I I think you know I think in the right system he can like for example I watch I've been watching the Warriors a lot because right now they're they're very interesting in the sense of of like finding finding ways to win when some games without their main players and like are any of these players real NBA players are these guys like they're pretty gritty they have kind of a

they play in a certain system and I often find myself wondering if day one problem would be a good answer for them for a lot of the things that they do I think you could also you know I'm not saying you can't fit in Sacramento but as depleted as they are like I actually think day one

Pog might even be a rotational piece you know obviously Moody's gonna be gone for a while that injury was just awful I mean just yeah but it's horrible but like nobody healed over there anymore and some of those like you know two guard wing guards that they've had like he the way he runs the floor the way he can space the way he can attack on be kind of a little bit of a you know a two way player like that I can I can envision him fitting into that system really really well you know Doug doesn't run nearly not no slight on Doug

they're running something different they're trying to find easy buckets all the time it's not the most creative dynamic offense but I think day one problem can be a little plug-and-play in the right system and I think right now you just need guys to play basketball and and he knows how to play basketball and so that that's my analysis when it comes to somebody like him but I I do think you can fit certain systems I just don't know if he'll be able to get that opportunity

yeah and by the way by the way I want to say one thing he's incredibly fun to talk to well that's what I was going to say he's incredibly fun to talk very very bright and any he fully gets it like I had asked him when he had the podium game a few weeks back about like how difficult it is to go from the g-league where you know you're just the man and then coming up to the pro game and you've got to be like you've got to be a three in the player and that's it and you've got to sort of

couch everything else that you've been as a basketball player and I thought his answer was just spectacular it's like very difficult to make that transition but also something that you're willing to do because you want to be an NBA player and so yeah I think it's really interesting that you know he's kind of risen to the top and his numbers over the last.

You know you mentioned it what nine games right 15 points over 15 points he's averaging again over 10 points a game on the season it's like 24 games but hey that's still better than a lot of

Better than a lot of players would would do in that situation. So really easy story to root for like you guys mentioned

Him as a person, but like the way he got drafted coming out of Bowling Green

He knew that he was going to be undrafted

Was trying to get NBA workouts. He only had three total NBA workouts coming into the draft and one of them

He ended up with New Orleans that came about because he happened to just be working out in the area and they needed an extra body for

one of their

one of their

I'm struggling here one of their legs that worked out

They needed an extra body and they were like hey, it's this guy still in town

He shows up balls out ends up making the Pelicans team and it's kind of just proving himself a little bit over time

Like Atlanta when he got his first two a deal that he played his first game against Zach Levine

He played great. I think he had like 18 points straight back down to the G league

He thinks he found his home in Atlanta a little bit or at least a way to spread his wings a little bit

And then he's actually part of the KD trade, which was like an 18 trade and super complicated

I'm forgetting where he got traded to Phoenix and they instantly let him go and then gets picked up by the Kings like I think he has a very

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Yeah, I think it's interesting and you know it like I think one of the bigger questions that we have

Like we can talk about each of these individual players

But the problem that we do have is the Doug Christie question Doug Christie's on a

Like a super budget deal

According to our friend Sam a make it's a two-year like four million dollar deal

Where he makes two million a year and then the third year is a team option and it would require him to make a bunch more money

I think some of that was because the King's thought they would be paying Mike Brown and

Then all of a sudden they got the offset when Mike Brown signed with the the nicks to be the head coach

So I think part of it's that but at the same time you're bringing in a guy who doesn't have head coaching experience

and all that so

My my question is like again if Doug isn't here

What does it mean for Max? What does it mean for Nick? What does mean for Dylan?

You know, what does it mean for Dave quamplowton that that group of players because that's one of the biggest issues the Kings have had over the last

You know

since six Rick Adam and left is that they can't choose a lane and the problem that you have is when young players

Are asked to do something under one coach and then a new coach comes in and he wants something totally different

It just changes the direction of a player's career again and again and again until they get lost in the shuffle and they're out of the league

So I don't really know

Whether Doug will be back or not at this point

But I just want to like where are you guys at with Doug Christie as a head coach and do you think he'll be back

For next season because again, I have no idea. I haven't talked to him about that directly

We did ask Scott Perry about it at the deadline and you know, he was positive on Doug

And sort of lent his support, but I

Answer the question. Yeah, he's like until you guys find out that he's not right and look that's

That's what you should say

Yeah, I agree

I can envision a world where both Doug is back and Doug isn't

And look at this is a tough league

Certainly coaches have been fired for for less

But you know with the with the belief that you heard it from Fevec Ronda TV as mouth not long ago on on Bollywood night where

He talked to the reporter court side and said, you know

Hey, if only this team was healthier and then what and again, I would push back that you I'd say you'd still wouldn't be very good, but

There is a there is a there is a question there, especially given that the some of the contracts that you are quote-unquote stuck with

It does have a curiosity there and I don't I can't fault them for that if they truly feel that they

Want to see what this team looks like when healthy and and obviously with the

Injuries it happened even the minute they get Deandre Hunter, you know, he goes down. So it's

It's unfortunate, but I would argue you still wouldn't be very good. I still think that

They think that they can, you know, make a move here or there

Maybe they have to still invest in Doug. Maybe there's not a candidate out there that they truly feel that they can

Um that they would have they would rather have than Doug. They want to see Doug. What Doug can do with the full roster

I don't know what any that is. I mean, you know, I don't know where that stands, but

Um

I think it's a decision that they'll have when the season ends it's a decision. They're going to have to make very very quickly

I know Doug Christie is already looking at college tape. I mean, he's talked about it and and you know

Taking a look at at peak at some of these college players it could be in there in their future for their team, but

At the same time, it's like Doug Doug's a big boy. He knows what this league is. I don't believe he's had any assurances that he's back

That I know of

But I could see them doing any which number of things it also becomes a question too of

Who becomes available like if you look around the league, you know, is there a coach or two that you maybe you have

An eye on so to speak um

You know the funny one that I always put out there is you know

Michael Mulan was the vecoronadi based first hire and he got talked into firing him and he's available

You know, they're I think there's several opportunities. It could could pop up along the way

But you've got to pay them. So like Doug Christie

Doug yeah, Mike Michael Mulan. Well, I think he would to be honest. I mean

That's what's crazy about this league. I mean

Guys want a coach and as much as he loves doing his TV thing

I think he wants to coach but he ain't going to do it for two million dollars. So he got a

You know, if you're going to go out and get get a coach, you got to be prepared to pay that coach and

We'll see how that goes

Yeah, whenever whenever I have the Doug conversation

The question I always try to ask um and I'd be curious what you guys think is like what has he done well this season

and

The only thing that I've settled on is probably I think that he is very much a player's coach and has built good relationships

With a lot of these guys like you heard pressure should shoot precious a chua after one of his recent games

Say that he thinks he plays best for guys that are former players

He mentioned Doug obviously and then penny hard away like I think that he was very clear and what Doug has meant to him

I think you've heard day quamplowed and say really good things about Doug and sort of conversations

I've had with him in the confidence he's instilled in him

Which feels very mark Jackson to me at times of like there's not very much on court things that you can point to of like

Hey, this is going really well, you know like part of the reason the Warriors blew up is they went away from their

Pick and roll centric game that sure helped stuff in clay and their development

But they went to this off-ball movement

Um with Steve Kerr and that really catapulted them to the next level

But you'll hear all those warriors guys talk about how much

Mark Jackson instilling confidence in them did help with their career and to me like that's kind of what you could point to a

Doug because the on-court product there's not much there's the injuries that you guys have mentioned

Don't miss and Keegan haven't played a single game together all season long like there are certainly injury excuses

built into all this

but

I also don't think any of us expected them to be this bad

I remember sitting on this podcast with you guys like saying maybe the low is 20 something wins

In the low 20s and you guys thought I was crazy and talked me up

Now we didn't expect these injuries that again that very much plays a part

But I don't think they should have been this bad like the offense should not have been this atrocious

There's so many lineups and there's not very many players on the team

But even when they were more healthy, there's so many lineups where I'm like

All right who the hell is going to shoot the ball and the answer's nobody, you know

And so I

Big red flag to me the beginning of the year. We're going to pick up 94 feet

I'm like who on your team is about to do this, you know

Like I just don't feel like there's very many instances of optimizing the talent that they have on the team

albeit the injury excuse

I think is totally reasonable

I personally don't think I can point to something that Doug has done on the floor that I would say is good

To be and where did that go, you know, I mean they don't have a dude doing that anymore

It didn't last through like

No, but even like you get even to okay, am I gonna get through a trade deadline. I've got all these guys that are hurt

You can have anybody gonna take one plow. I'm gonna pick up, you know 94. It's just not it's not not happening

Well that and I would say okay, so the injuries are one thing

I would also say that like

The reason the Kings have 19 wins right now is

Partially because of injury. It's also because

They started off the season so poorly and then got had some injuries

And then looked at the standing and said we can't

We can't recover and it's time to lose

So I don't know if they would have an extra five wins right now or an extra seven wins or whatever

But if you count like health and everything else this team could have easily 130

But the honest thing is is it doesn't help them to win 30

It helps them to win 19 actually it helps them if they won 15 right now

And so you're putting a coach in a situation where it's like hey man. We need you to lose

You know, and you need to go out there and give it like the college try

But we need you to lose at the end of the day

And I don't think that that's a good situation to put anyone he it to put anybody in especially somebody

Who's not paid very well and who does not have this stability

Um to answer your question over and then what has he done well

I would say this

um

Max Ray know is developing and becoming a much better NBA player than anyone expected

And I would say the precious atua is flourishing in a system it with Doug

Um, but I also understand that there are plenty of veterans who aren't playing well or who who didn't play well

And couldn't figure out where they fit into this system and just kind of fell apart

Um, so I do think he's he's done a good job of developing and bringing players along

And in the situation that it's like untenable for everybody, but at the same time is that enough

And the only reason I would say it's enough

Is if you're going to repeat this next season and you're going to have the basically the same thing where you have a couple of veterans that are playing a little bit

But then the rest of the roster is two ways and second-round picks and unwraffed players and

Um, you know, former number nine overall picks that you know busted out and you're trying to get him back in the league

Like if that's what this is going to look like next year and it's about developing a max and developing a rookie

Then maybe I give him some leeway there

But outside of that i'm i'm with you like the offensive numbers the defensive numbers you can't hide from them

They're just bad

But I also think that you know again, there's a point in this season where you just go okay

We're not winning anymore. We're going to lose the majority of our games on purpose

Um, whether it's like hooker by crook. We're not going to go full Utah jazz, but we're going to lose games

And that's the situation that Doug has been in where it's like hey, we need you to navigate this cautiously

Um and make it look real

Because the NBA is watching everybody

I think the other side of that a little bit though if they get their franchise player

Do you want them their first head coach to be on a trial run like are you okay with the franchise player say they get this

You know big caveat asterisk whatever

Do you want him having two head coaches in two years

No, it's it's a good question. It is I guess I don't see the I don't see the problem when you're that bad

Yeah, I don't like it no you have a different you have a different front office than you did too

I mean granted Scott made the decision to make Doug the regular

coach talking me wrong, but

You know it seems not me good. So like it doesn't matter if Darren Darren Peters and AJ have two head coaches in two years

I mean all the young guys do this kind of right. I mean

Especially if they know like you you try to play a certain system you try to do whatever

I mean they're they're 18 years old coming into this league. So it's going to be

It would not be detrimental

Yeah, it's not going to be detrimental to Max and Nick in their second year Max and Nick may not be on the team when this team is any damn good

You have to keep that in mind like they're developing Max has had an incredible year to develop. Nick has had an incredible year to develop

Nothing is detrimental depending upon who your coaches. That's that's crazy

Well that and I mean, let's be honest even like the young guys on this team aren't particularly young

You know, it's 24 max is almost 23 and like if you're starting over and you're doing all that stuff

It's pretty crazy. I think stability does matter and I think choosing a lane, but the fact is like

If you if you bring Michael Malone in for if that's the guy that you say hey

Like we want to bring Michael first of all would Michael Malone take this job because it's a hot mess

And you know that next season is not going to be good

You know the season after that there's no guarantee that one year of a rookie and all of a sudden you're ready to come out the other side and be like a really good team

That doesn't typically happen

So all you got to do is pay him you got to pay him and give him security

And hopefully and hopefully leave him the hell alone to coach his team which every coach is going to want

That's a hard

That's sometimes a hard pill for most organizations to swallow

But if you pay him and you give him you know the security of a five four or five year deal

Yeah, you get whoever you want

So I don't ask what team with a number one pick had two head coaches in two years

Anthony Edwards just like one random example Ryan Saunders is first year and then it's been Chris Finch ever since

And that's just looking at one random example like you said there's there's a handful

Yeah, I think Kate Cunningham had a similar situation right

Yeah, and you know someone brings it Malone I kind of wish that well

I'm intrigued to see if if they do allow Doug to come back

Will they allow him to

Makes up his coaching stuff because I got to be on like the guy if I'm Doug that I'm really looking at and I'm going

Okay, can I bring in another coach to really help

Is I and it's gonna sound wild and out of left field but it's Dave Yeager

Because Dave is one of the best exes and those coaches that there are

And you know, I you know, he's with

Doc Rivers and Emil Walkie as an assistant

But like I think that's the type of coach that you could probably use is you know some structure some

Some different ideas as far as offense defensive looks and stuff like that

So I think I'll do a lot of your games when they eventually had their turn around from being bad to good

A lot of it had to do with getting the right coach in there like Detroit had

Casey Dwayne Casey and then they have the one year after they totally bagged out Monty Williams

And then JB Baker staff comes on and ensure it's a combination of a lot of things right of the roster getting good at the right time

But a lot of these is because they got the right coach in the building as well

Yeah, yeah for the record, I you know, I'm not saying that the Kings are going to get Michael Malone

I'm just throwing it out there as a coach that happens to be available

Don't don't get me. I don't want people to seem to think that I'm saying that go get Malone or that's even my choice to go get

I'm just saying that the guy like Michael Malone is available so I'll say

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. Yeah, I think it's funny. We're looking at former coaches that

might he might want to try to bring back in the building

Which both of those coaches may have learned not to be here and not to be around this franchise

And kind of moving forward with that and for one it's worth to I think it bears, you know

Maybe the maybe it is in the best interest to bring back Doug Christie for a few reasons in terms of you know

How good can this team be really be in next year or not the development and all those things but

Also putting some distance between the year you fired Mike Brown last year and and how that didn't go over well

With NBA coaches throughout the league granted. There's only 30 teams that only 30 head road coaching gigs and you know

Anyone will sign up to to coach a team if you pay him and give him security

but that

Doesn't necessarily make your job that attractive when people see what happened to Mike Brown

I would also argue hey

The vecoron dv gave him a job a contract extension and even though we fired him six months

You're still getting that money. He went and got he went and got the job with the nicks

But if he had he not he would have still been well compensated

So you know they took care of you. It's just it is a it is a poor look

I get it but sometimes these coaches get a little too sensitive the nature of this gig and there's a lot of no balls

right there's a lot of

There's a lot of interesting things that would happen

I still think Michael Molina said no class no balls. You pay him to give him security. He'd take this job. I

I truly believe that

He certainly would have taken the job back

I did have conversations with him the year he got fired and like in January was like

Just bring me back

He's like I can fix it and it was like when he said I can be the most bold statements

I'd ever heard from a former coach just give me the job back. I'll figure it out

They're not going to bring you back Michael that that was year of year of the year of the firing

Yeah, the year of the firing just literally days weeks removed like I'd come back and like

Like it's wild. Yeah. Yeah

Okay, let's get to what we'll call this the business of basketball

um

The kings have to make they have to make some moves this summer they they they can't go back into

Into next season with this roster with this type of like some of the veterans hanging over their head

like and you're guys opinion what is

If you were approaching this summer as Scott Perry what would be your top priority

What would be the number one thing that you think that you would have to that you would want to accomplish

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Nailing the draft. I mean the draft is it's the number one thing this offseason

Wherever they end up in that lottery spot

I mean, I think even if right now they could fall to as low as eight. There's a very minimal chance of that

I think their highest odds are seven currently if I have that correct in my mind

Their highest odds are six, but seven right there. Yeah, one of the two right in that range

Even if you don't land everybody's all keyed in on the top three

I think Kayla Wilson is a amazing four right there

But five to nine has really good players maybe five to eight or nine

However, people happen to feel but a cuff is like

Hot shit right now. Everybody loves Darius a cuff. It's crazy Alan Iverson comparisons need to relax a little bit

But everybody's loving Darius a cuff right now. I still think Kingston Fleming's is probably the guy that I would have five

Above all of these

Michael Brown is an absolute sniper. I think like there's Keaton Wogler. I think is a really interesting player

What's your one two three four five?

I would go I really love Darren, but I do think you have to go AJ one at this point. I would go AJ Darren

Cam Caleb sort of side by side. I'm still skeptical to cam a little bit

But that being my three four and then I would go Fleming's five I think I do

I'm really interested in Wogler though

Wogler is he's climbing for me a little bit

But yeah, I'd probably go Fleming's five. I think it's mainly nailing the draft and then funnily enough

I think that

The offseason when Perry took over the whole thing he mentioned was we don't have a point guard

We need a point guard. You're gonna be right back in that same spot

Like they're gonna need a point guard again next season is Russell Espert gonna come back

I personally don't think that's the greatest decision for the kings

Dennis Schroeder is moved on from after he was supposed to be your point guard for however many years

Right now they don't have one. That's why Killian haze is probably on the deal that he ended up getting

Who knows if he's gonna be around next year. He's certainly not your answer to that

So I do think that the draft is priority number one, but you still kind of need that

Facilitator or orchestrator

Point guard role figured out and maybe it'll be in the draft because three of those guys

I just mentioned outside of the top four are our point guards and maybe it'll be one of them

But even in that case like you you need another veteran for them to learn from like relying heavily on a rookie point guard

I think typically is never a great formula

Even Deerons rookie year like had George Hill in there for half the season right like I think that is valuable

So draft priority number one, and I think we're gonna hear all the point guard stuff over again

Hmm Sean you don't like you don't like my kill brown. I do. I mentioned him in there. I like plumbing better

Do you but I do really like my kill brown? I probably have both of them over a cup

I think the a cup stuff needs to like we just need pump the brakes a little bit

Like he he's an absolute bucket. I think defensively he is a mess

And those are the type of guards that are like really losing value in the NBA

He does remind me a little bit of Malik monk in a way

I think obviously I think he's on another level

But you think about guys that were just like absolute buckets in college right

Defensively really not doing as much and there might be there's more playmaking for a cup

For his teammates and things like that

Even if you wanted to go try young. I don't think he's try young right but that guy has

Very noticeable flaws that I think can hold the team back

And I I just worry about the defense a lot

You know, you know to be honest my kill browns a little bit more trade on then

This is true, but I do think he's more of a disruptive

Six five

Yeah, I mean, I think the problem with a cuff is he's only like six two

A lot yeah, I mean look at that one in very small

Yeah, um, I'm kind of Brendan. I'm kind of with you except for I have

So I go

debons a

Peterson Booser

I have

Kingston Fleming's at four and then Caleb Wilson and then a cuff at six. That's where I'm out right now

I again, I like a cuff as a score. I just think defensively he's just

Like you hear it from everybody like it's a problem

Um, and then like Caleb Wilson. He's just got a long ways to go

So I like Fleming's he reminds me of

Young Deer and Fox

But with a crazy motor and I don't think he has all the athleticism the fox has

But I do think he is the ability to create his own shot. He's a good three-point shooter. He's a good setup man

And he just doesn't stop playing. I think he's a winner

He would be higher on my list

Sean

What's the question?

Well, I well you we were discussing like what's the priority here? What would be your priority?

Also, do you have a top five draft eyes? I mean it varies I

My my number one is probably AJ

Cameron Darren I'd probably go cam over Darren right now

um

I don't know I mean

I trust me I get the whole attraction to wanting to draft a ceiling, but also

You know, I think cambo is a really solid player right now even at 18 years old

I would be very very intrigued I could be talked into really any any one of AJ or Darren number one

I really could just because of the ceiling you got to take a swing

I think the two of those have just the absolute highest ceilings

The thing that puts maybe AJ over in my mind is just being bigger. I love his size

He's got to obviously put some weight on that frame as with Darren, but at least you know AJ as a wing

um, I love his defensive ability um, but

I don't know I'm with you James two with Caleb. I love Caleb

But I think you know, there's there's a lot of room to grow all these guys are 18 years old

So that's going to be the case

But I I have kind of liked my kel Brown over Kingston Fleming's all year

um

You know clearly he doesn't have that that speed the Fleming's as fleet that that speed is incredible, but um

Yeah, I don't know if that answered the question there, but that's

I'm not I've never really I like a cuff. I like what he brings. I like the heart

You know, I think he can be uh an absolute dog, but there's just

Right now a little too many gaps in the in there um you met you guys kind of mentioned him

I don't like little guards. I never have

So that's that's that's always something if you can find me a six five guard that's taller. I'm typically going to lean that way

um

So it's kind of how I'm looking at that

Yeah, I think it's interesting because that this draft class is really really good the top end is really good

And I think it might extend out to like eight players

Um, I think but the other problem is that all of them have like question marks. I think debonsa

I mean he's raw, but he might be he might have the fewest question marks out of everybody

So like for me at like the Peterson injury and just like the people around him situation

I don't think he's good and it's not good for a place like Sacramento because

um

They seem to want him to go to like big like the bigger the better like they want some

Major opportunity for him to go and be a star in some major city and

So I think like four or five six years down the road. You're going to be dealing with that issue

um, and then when I get to boozer uh the boozer just he's so plotting and you know I the player comp is

Is domos

That that might be the player comp that I see the most uh I like Minnesota Kevin love too

Okay, but he's so slow that at the at the current pro level

I have a tough time thinking that he's not a five

I mean, I think he's going to have to play five most of the time in the same way that domos has to play five most of the time

And then when we keep going down the list it's like a cuff has his uh, he's defensive limitations

Caleb Wilson shot what 24% 25% from three

Like there are a lot of question marks as we go up and down the board

And that's just it's the draft you are uh, so I get what you're saying nail on the draft outside and nailing the draft

Brennan what would be your other priority going into this offseason?

Yeah, I mean, I think the point card thing like I said um and trying to figure out

What the hell you're doing with domos second more probably like I'd imagine they'll continue to shop those guys

But really ideally moving on from one or two of them. I think would be pretty beneficial

For this team a lot of this season has been sort of this tug back and forth of what are you prioritizing um and

You know, I've heard people mention like this hybrid rebuild idea like they could be solid again next year for me

That that should not be in the cards like I think that you should try to move on from these veterans and

Yeah, I guess that would be my other priority

Sean

Yeah, I mean nailing the draft is absolutely

I mean, there's nothing that trumps that that's that's the absolute

Must I think even before you start looking at the roster. I think you got to figure out the coach. You'll do that before the draft and uh

Yeah, I mean shedding salary. I think is going to be pretty pretty big. So to Brennan's point trying to you know figure out what you're doing with some of those guys

um

They were some of them will be expiring. I think that's a that's a good thing, but uh, yeah

No one's really trying to bring back salary. I think that'll continue

But I also think this draft is going to be interesting to where um

You know every year everyone kind of expects to see a lot of movement around the draft. We didn't really see it maybe a ton of it um

Last year at the draft like we did last year at the at the trade deadline um, but

I could see maybe more movement this year

Especially with how loaded this draft is kind of want to see if teams and I you know depending upon where maybe someone like Sacramento lands on the board

But what it looks like

Falling trading back in the draft maybe even just a handful of of of spots and and I'm not saying from Sacramento standpoint

But will teams be active in dropping down a peg or two to add something else and almost like

Kind of what you see in the NFL at times. We don't really see it a ton in the NBA

But the way this draft is set with some of the talent level

um and and some of the timelines that these other teams are looking at in terms of maybe

You know developing and stocking the shelves for the future

Would they be willing to drop down two to three four spots to get maybe a guy that they really want all the while

Maybe offloading some salary that another team would be willing to take at that point if they're getting

If they're maybe able to move up. So um, yeah, just just a lot of interesting possibilities, but

I hope that answered the question. I just think the draft is so imperative right now

I mean this is this is really the that they're end all be all this is what's going to in my opinion

When it's all said and done no matter how long Scott Perry works for the Sacramento Kings

I think when you go back and reflect upon his obituary with Sacramento Kings in this in this

This era, I think this is going to probably be the one thing that it

Is going to be probably the one or two top things on his on his resume is how he handles this draft

teams that have multiple first round picks this year um charlotte has their own and phoenixes

Which is sitting as 16 and 17

There is Dallas who has their own in okc's that's six and 30

Atlanta has their own and new warlands that's have eight and 23

Memphis also has seven and 14 their own and or landos and you also could obviously trade for a future first

Like if you know you're sitting there at five and really you don't feel like there's that much of a difference

So you kind of like say it's my kill brown and you think he's going to be there at eight

Could you trade you know for Chicago's pick and get a future first for example

Yeah, if you were like number six if you fell to six in the draft and

You know, you could get eight and 23 for six then maybe

But I still like I would I would like to see if Kingston Fleming says there

I would like to see if a cuff is there at six because I think both of those guys can be like starters right away

Whether they have ceilings or not like what their ceilings are we'll see but

My personal thing that I think is like the most imperative that going into this summer outside of the draft because I agree with these guys on the draft

That is

Finding a way for Zach Levine to not be a sacrament. Okay, and like I'm not I don't think Zach is a problem

I don't think I just think his contract is so brutal on this franchise

And if you were to remove that contract right now

It just feels like everything would feel better

Like you could go out and you're not going to be able to sign a bunch of free agents

What would you could do is you might be able to take back a player in a trade

And take on a pick to take on that player

You might be able to like build asset build by not having Zach Levine part of the team

And so once I got past the draft even before I got to the draft

I would assess the value of Zach Levine on the open market see if there's any way I can trade him as an expiring contract

Knowing that he makes 49 million and if I deemed that I cannot do that

I would start working on a buyout instantly

And I would stretch permission him and I would I would say I'm not dealing I'm not dealing with this

So for me like again, he makes 49 million bucks next season

If you can talk him into taking 5 million less to take a buyout

Um, and you're so that would put you at like 44 million divided by three you're looking at like

I don't know less than 15 million for the next three years. I would do that. You don't

You don't you don't

I mean, it's an expiring deal

so like

Why would you stretch provision him that would be insane

No, it wouldn't because no because if you were let's say let's say this let's say you can get Zach say hey look

We won't put a clause in the contract that says you have an offset

just straight up

If you'll take 10 million less you'll take 39 million to walk away right now and you can go be a player somewhere else and go get another contract

somewhere else

That means when you stretch provision him over

Three years. It's 13 million 13 million 13 million

It's like 6% of the of the salary cap 6 to 6 and a half

But on top of that year one

You just freed up 36 million dollars in year one

And so now what can you do with that 36 million bucks

Because that's a that's a huge chunk of change that drops you below the luxury tax it drops you below the salary cap

And now you're you can take on a 20 million dollar contract and a first-round pick to to a piece somebody that's looking to dump a contract

Like you can do a lot of other things

I would not be in favor if I was running the organization of adding

Dead money to this to this to this team especially as

Decisions will be made you're gonna free up a lot of money in 27 we talk about the cliff, but

I just kind of see it through I would I would I think he's more attractive to be traded

It's an expiring deal. I don't know how much you're gonna get for it

But people are really trying to shed a lot of salary

I just think having caring over dead money

In a time where you're not really good

And freeing up a bunch of money like that and a time you're not good. I mean

I think there's other ways to do it. I think you don't give me wrong james like I think if you're coming into this season

Maybe you still have two years remaining on his deal. I might be more

willing to sign on to something like that, but

I just think I think him as an attractive this I think it's I think if this is where you want to be he's an expiring contract

He's more movable than ever and what's one more year when you're probably not gonna be that good anyway

Um, and you can kind of set yourself up for your future a little bit more

I just think you'll regret having that 13 million kind of hang on your books like that

I don't know. I'm all about asset collection at this point

I am too. Yeah, you know, if there's a team out there that wants to dump a 14 15 million dollar player

But you get their first round pick this year in exchange especially the teams that have two picks

You know is there the Charlotte have someone they want to dump does like some of these other teams

Because that's how you speed this process up. I think right now you're just stuck and if I'm looking at it again

six and a half seven percent six percent of the salary cap the next three years as the cap goes over 200 million

It's really not that bad. I mean

I don't know. That's just that's just my point of view

I mean, I think you can do other things with guys like

With Demar and you can do maybe you find a taker for demonus of bonuses two years. I'm really amongst two years

But the immediate like oh my gosh, we aren't a old bad team that's over the luxury tax

That would take care of that. You're still old

You still have other things to clear out. You're still bad

But you're also no longer in luxury tax hell and you're no longer in salary cap hell for the next couple of years

I don't know just my opinion. I don't know. I think the scenario you're your painting is is

Not as realistic in terms of like the the assets and all that kind of stuff that you can get

I still think both things can be true. I think you can go hunt for assets

um still look to trade

Zach Levine um

but

Is an expiring to like if he had more years remaining. I get it, but I just

If he had more years to know where you would trade for him, you know

Yeah, if he was a 200 million dollar deal then you're looking at five years at 20 million a year stretch provision

I'm talking about like 13 14 million a year

That's not near. It's hard. No, I totally get that. I just yeah

I think what scares me is just carrying dead money. It's just it's not

I just don't think it's advantageous for them to do

I tend to lean towards Sean a little bit here of your one year away from getting off of this rather than extending it

To your point though James like if you had a plan and if they were willing to take on more dead money

Like say the portal contract right to to get and that's a horrible deal maybe a bad example

But like portal in 20 you know the 20th overall pick people are like who's giving up 15 uh first round pick to give off

Get off of 15 20 million the king straight at their first round pick to get off for Sean Holmes a few years ago

If people remember and that was omax prosper like teams will definitely do that if they had a plan for how to use that

We're going to go about it that way

Then sure, I'd feel great, but I do lean more towards that you got one year left. Just wait it out

Center only you have to like

I think if there was a pathway to like you're you're you're really expediting something or like I

I think you can still hunt assets

I think you can still do that and I and to be honest. I just don't know that

We haven't really seen much of a market for his act to begin with now that he's an expiring

Might end up some possibility there, but I don't know man. I wonder I wonder too if there's like yeah if that does that does that

Kind of spark a Milwaukee interest does that kind of put him in a position to where now they look at is a situation where he's not just a means to an end for a team

But they might be willing to extend him at a smaller obviously. It's very much a smaller

A deal or bring him back at a smaller deal

To where they're looking beyond maybe a team that they're looking beyond just the year to finish off the contract

Sacramento. I don't think would be that team, but

Maybe maybe Milwaukee is maybe Miami is maybe something like that could develop

Yeah, I would be concerned that

No one is going to be looking at him as a trade option this summer and that

Yeah, a lot of teams are looking at 2017

2027 and say maybe they can clear out some stuff, but

Then you go, okay, well fine. We'll just send him home and then the league calls and says hey, we have this thing about tanking

And Zach Levine's a good player and if you're not going to play him then the players association gets involved and everybody gets involved and you

All right, well, what does this mean? Oh, those are two different conversations who saying you have to sit him and send him home like just play him

It's like you're winning just play him

Yeah, I guess that can be the option

But for me like I'm looking you know

Like to quote the great Jerry Reynolds if you have a five-year plan at the NBA level you have no plan at all

Have you have a two-year plan if you if you think you're Scott Perry and you're talking

2027 and you're trying to give yourself a three-year plan

You think Vivek is going to sit here and be fine with another 18 to 25 win season

Well to the point of though

If you if you're if your plan is to ultimately move on from Zach Levine and I'm not saying that that's their plan because

Obviously, we know Vivekron to be very like Zach Levine

But he only haunts you if you were in the camp of getting ripped for this one more year and you might still be able to get rid of them as an expiring deal

Versus versus Zach Levine still haunting you two three years later in a stretch provision

You know, I just I don't know I wouldn't be in favor of the dead money as all

Yeah, I mean, I'm not in favor of like a whole bunch of dead money and just going around and waving everybody

And I'm certainly not in favor of like the Bradley Beale

You know again, you're talking they they owed him like 105 he took a little bit of a pay cut down to like a hundred and

But five years of of 20 million years extreme

That's you know again three years of 13 million or 14 million. That's not extreme

By MBA standards. I mean it to be honest. I might even save the kings from making more mistakes with the middle level exception

So I would be I would be okay with a little bit of dead money

And I don't think it's like to go out and sign some guy that will change the fortunes of your franchise right now

It should just relieve all this pressure and to put you back in the game of asset collection

Because that's what they need to be in like right now. They can't do anything. They have their pick. They've got the two second round picks

And then after that is like okay, what next your next year you got the

2027 first round pick and

Whatever's left of the protections from the San Antonio Spurs pick which will probably go away

But you just don't have enough assets to go out there and rebuild your team the right way

And one of the ways to do that is to take on other teams bad contracts. So I don't know

Uh, just food for thought food for thought all right. Let's get to uh, let's get to final thoughts

What have we got for final thoughts?

I am glad that baseball's here Sean mentioned it but the giants can hit to save their life and this may continue to be a trend

Frankie out at the Yankees Giants game today. I hope for his say that the judge hits a nuke about the Giants somehow win the game

Frankie the Yankee

Frankie is always expecting him to his team to lose. It's always the way for people who come up in

Yeah, Frankie Cardicelli work with me. Good coworker. Absolutely love Frank. Oh, right

The place that cannot be named I guess is true. This is true

Yeah, it's always funny when people come up and like try to talk crap to Frankie about the Yankees

Because he just assumes the worst at all times. So he is just unfazed

Probably put a little bit of money on the Giants today. Love him for that

Yeah, Debbie Downer. He is kind of Debbie Downer with this. He is a little bit

He would say that he's realistic because he always sees them, you know, get far and then they somehow blow it

And so to be fair kind of what happens, you know, a lot of times he's a he's pretty

Insightful, I guess with a lot of that stuff

But I'm glad it's here. We got A's coming up. They got two road series to start here. Shane Langleyers and two nukes and in game one

Looking pretty good. I think the A's could be sneaky good this year. I'm excited to get out to set her health a little bit

Hold on you're actually gonna show up. I

Went in okay amount. I'm gonna go more than I did last year

But I will also

Games 20 games. I'll commit to going to more games this year. I went to one last year

So more games and we had nowhere to sit so I wasn't gonna sit there and like freezing cold

Standing on concrete. That's not what my body's made for will

Jeremiah which again for context Jeremiah Salman sent covered the Kings for us as well. You guys know him. You know him

Um

Will he drop another foul ball? This man dropped three foul balls last year to the point where Mark Cote was like hey

Yeah, you're gonna catch one or what's going on here and players of the clubhouse gave him a hard time

That's the highlight of the A's for me. First of all, this guy is a walking calamity

And everyone gives him a hard time including Doug Christie

Um, it's just amazing that everyone is finally getting on

For kind of the Doug thing the other night that's who Doug was talking to and he's like hey

You need to move move up

Like move forward and the press conference room you're asking a question from the very back when there's

Literally no one in front of him for five rows an ocean of chairs in front of him

Jeremiah

My phone. Yeah baseball. I'm so glad baseball's back

It's that friend. I hate to get sappy, but it's that friend that's gonna be with you all the way to October if you want it to be

I just I love it. Um, I love having baseball on even in the background whether it's radio or TV and

But YouTube does such a great job for people who doesn't you know, I can't sit through a whole game

So I'm multitasking and everything

More times and not, but if you ever go on YouTube, they condense the games so great. I love that they do that

Um, so do a great job is Netflix. What the hell was that?

I know man. It was not good. I was out there and first of all like

James Winston was

hysterical like I know it was completely random, but it was like he did play baseball at Florida state

It was kind of pulsing him a bus or pose interact because they knew each other in college

um

like

James played the part. I don't think James was was I mean, I think he was actually good for their broadcast

Bert Christchurch on the other hand and some of the other things they were trying to do

um

I look I think given Netflix a little grace because it was their first time

Matt Vescargian is phenomenal. I thought they're deus of having very bonds there with

Cebapia and Rizzo. I thought that was a pretty good group, but

Yeah, little the the

The it wasn't the production wasn't great and had a lot of

A lot of snags along the way. They're trying. I like the fact that they're trying to see what it looks like in a few years

But did you feel very randomly dropped that he almost went to the Yankees?

It was awesome. I mean, that's that's fantastic. It was a great story. It was true

You know

If for people who don't know he said he he got a phone call from from

Steinbrenner and before Steinbrenner died and this one he's a free agent

So he's they're prepared to make him the richest man in baseball and he had until two o'clock to make his decision a proverbial gun to your head

Take it or leave it and that's not how that's not how very roles and

He decided you know say go you know take a hike in so many words and then the giants called me

So they got some going home they give him the ample time to figure it out and make a you know a decision for his future and not put them on the clock

And yeah, it was pretty I thought it was great and it's a story he hadn't heard before and it was a moment of honesty and just the human level of things that that was

phenomenal, but

You know, I liked it. I also by the way get away from baseball and go back to basketball

I was in the in the arena last night watching Duke beat LSU

I do try to get that game away got Carol Lawson the former Sacramento Monarch player who won a championship in this town

Come back. She has another big moment. They're heading to the elite eight on a buzzer beater that that that ball circled the cylinder and

Touched every piece of real estate that rim had

And fell in and she kind of put her arms up and it was kind of funny to see how stoic she was like this this moment

But you know she celebrates briefly handshake the Kim Milky handshook to all those players

Really an intensity in her that you didn't she was a hell of a player don't get me wrong. She had an intensity of the player

But it's there's something that gets taken that like that comes out of her even as a as a head coach

And then she got to celebrate once all the handshakes what we're done and and got to kind of talk for in the press conference afterwards

And it was you can tell at the moment meant it's going to be cool to see them go up against UCLA

UCLA trounce them by 30 earlier in the season the game before is during a big four game losing streak

Lauren Betts who's probably the WMBA's top

Pick in the draft coming up didn't even play in that game. So

Get out to the arena if you get a chance to go check out

High-level women's college basketball. It is really really really good

And you still got South Carolina playing so a lot of fun stuff out there lots of good stuff

Yeah, I'm kind of regretting I didn't put in for a credential for the women's NCAA

Although we've games today and we've got games on Sunday

Yeah, good for Carol Lawson spectacular for her to

Keep winning and keep showing up big for I mean because she is like one of Sacramento's own at this point

Let's see final thoughts

Hmm. I don't know. I think we're all just holding on

Just trying to get through the rest of the season

It's been brutal. It's been a a trudge. We're sorry that we're not

That we haven't been as consistent here in the last like month

But yeah, it's been it's been a long brutal, you know

Like weird season of Kings basketball

I to him very excited for baseball

I'm very excited to see the A's I don't think they did enough with their pitching staff

either starters or

Their bullpen, but I do think it's going to be a fun season with the A's because they can flat out mash

I also

I don't know if you guys watched the game last night

But Nick Kurtz was called out on strikes in the ninth on a challenge

And that to me was crazy and and awesome. I'm glad baseball was doing it

I wish it didn't happen in Nick Kurtz in that situation, but

Still like I think that that was a much needed change to majorly baseball

Hold the umpires accountable and not allow pitching

To set the standard for what's gonna be a strike once not each and every game. So

All right, I think that's gonna do it for this edition of the King's Beat podcast

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And you can find all of his stuff go to kcr a3 and you can find all of Sean's stuff

I'm not gonna say where you can find all of my stuff

But you guys know um ESPN 1320

Here at the King's Beat and also if you get your morning cup of kings, you know where else I do my work

Um, so thanks for tuning in uh for

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