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This is Hidden Tillers Live with Tony Brusky and Robin Dree.

Let's wrap up here now that we have a verdict in the Corrie Richens case. We haven't had a

chance to have you on since the verdict came in. Some of county jury has found Corrie Richens guilty

of murdering her husband Eric with that lethal dose of fentanyl, no murder weapon recovered

because it was fentanyl. The star witness shredded on the stand the defense called zero witnesses

didn't really matter. Now we ask what this verdict actually means for Eric's kids, for everyone

who followed this case and for what comes next. Now that the cameras are going away.

Jen, what was your reaction to the verdict here on this? I'm just going to open it up very

broadly on that after we watched Corrie give her faces throughout the trial. Her interesting

reactions to folks and then eventually no witnesses called. She chose not to testify and then

found guilty. What's your thoughts? Well, and I think Monday you posed the question to both

Robin and I. Would she be found guilty? Yeah. And then I both agree she would be because this

is a strong circumstantial case. So no surprise. I think that they got it right. What I did think

was interesting. And I don't know if you've seen it, but the jury for person was interviewed.

Yeah, I haven't seen it, but I've heard of it. Yes. Yeah, it's good. Love this interview

because they wanted they didn't want to convict her. Yeah. Yeah. The mother, she's got

little kids. She looked like well, now it's on the prairie schoolmarm. I don't know. They did not

want to convict her, but they knew they had to because the evidence, you know, they they

put their emotion out of it and looked at the evidence. This is such a tragedy. The kids,

no mom, no dad, forever knowing that your mom murdered your dad. It's just it's so

horrible. I mean, this is just one of these cases that's horrible. And at the end of the day,

Corey Richards had the life by the cajonis. Yeah. And she chose, she made all these decisions

that just were a train wreck for her children. So really, who I think about are the people left

behind the mom, the dad, everybody who loved Eric, but mostly the children. Ah, horrible.

I still am still the thing that keeps striking me about this case because every time we're looking

at different angles of this, whether it's from the interviews that she did for the book,

and I know I'm kind of sounded like a broken record on this, but as well as in the courtroom

itself, no matter who was put on the stand, no matter what topic was brought up, she gave no

motion response to anything or any one unless it directly related to her. And so it just her

non-verbals were screaming how self-centered she was because everything kept coming back to her.

It was just so profound. And it was, you know, it was interesting because Bob Mata, when he's

talking about, you know, they didn't, they didn't deliberate. I really liked what the four

persons said because yeah, they weren't there a short amount of time, but I'd really loved how

they kind of dismissed that idea of not deliberation or having a foregone conclusion because they were,

I loved how she said they were trying to find her innocent because they felt such compassion for

the family. So good on them. Which is interesting because the kids were barely brought up in the

truck. No. And that is like such the key element to this. It's interesting that the jury didn't

need anybody to hold their hand and take them there to that point and go, look, this is a mother

of three kids too, by the way. She didn't look like one. I could have been like, what,

if you're to look back on this, if you're Corey Richens and you're to go, I should have,

how could I have handled this differently in court? How should my counsel have handled this? What

would you say, Jen? How do you think she could have handled it differently? Maybe producing a

slightly different outcome? First of all, number one, and I know, I don't know why they

styled her that way. And I'm going to pull it styled. Yes, someone said that too.

Fake. And so, you know, presumptive, I would have had her style herself like she was.

She's actually really cute and attractive. And you never know if that could have caused somebody,

oh my gosh, she looks like my daughter or she looks like my sister, but the presentation they made

was just so out there. Number two, and I said this at the time, she needed to take the stand.

Not, I probably wouldn't have said that as a lawyer, I would have said, listen, not a good idea,

but knowing the evidence that existed, I would have said, you got one Hail Mary. Might as well

get up there. Yeah. Well, case was at Tony and Jen, you might remember too. I'm not sure if I don't

think it was the Adelson's, but maybe we've covered cases where they've taken a stand or at least

has been brought up that the impact of her being put in jail on the kids. And they didn't do that.

I mean, it was just really, there was emotional cords. They could have really, because this was an

emotional case. It was a, you know, it was a circumstantial case, which gives you the opportunity to

pull on emotional cords. I know, and I was watching the string, the comments we had when I mentioned

even the fact that she wasn't wearing a wedding ring and it would have come across as fraudulent if

she did with a boyfriend, but at the same time, it has that subliminal impact. If she had wedding

rings she's playing with. The change, like to Jen's point, the change of her look having her hair

down set of being the stark, you know, pulled back into a bun. There's a lot of things I think

they could have done behaviorally to soften that blow, to make her empathetic as a mother

and taken and put away a mother from her kids that they didn't even bring up.

In emotion, Vic, why didn't fake or not? I'm just saying, if you're saying how to get somebody off,

you should be emotional during this. Your husband is dead. Your husband of what were they

nine years married? Yeah. And father of your children, could they not find any way for this woman

to have some sort of, she felt, she looked like she was more inconvenienced being there,

than anything else. And that I think really read to the jury, just very, very plainly. I'm

wondering if it's sentencing, if more of that will be brought up. How do you think sentencing

is going to play for Cory Richards? Because now we've confirmed everything. We've confirmed,

I mean, it is monstrous as shit, just what she did, where you look at it all and it's all confirmed,

the lies, the manipulation, the trying to change, like she did this to Eric and then she tries to

like, retell the history, the story of Eric as something completely different than it is. She

just continues to dig and dig and dig and dig after she did it. How do you think that that's

going to be looked at when it comes to the sentencing? Is the judge going to throw the book at her and

be like, you did, look, you showed no remorse, you showed no empathy. You looked in convenience,

just being here, you're done completely. We're not even going to talk about any sort of

getting out at any point in time. There's no option for it. Or do you think there's some grace

given at some point just strictly because there are three children? Or does the judge say,

you know what, the best thing for these kids is this woman never seeing them again.

I'm just going to comment on what I would do. Yeah.

25 to life is what she's looking at. I give her life and people aren't going to like this.

I would give her life, but I actually would give the possibility of parole. Why? Because I would know

she's never going to make the parole. She's going to mess up everywhere. There's no chance.

But I would do that because of the kids. I would do that to give their kids a glimmer of hope,

a glimmer of hope that maybe mom, mommy would get out. So that's what I would do because I'm an

empath. Is that cruel, though, to the kids in a certain way because in every so many years,

mom might get out. But again, that's also assuming that the kids want mom to get out. I mean,

I hope I'm guessing, I mean, at some point, you know, they're going to be adults by the time

that happens that they might not necessarily have any fond or favorable opinion of mom and mom

might already be mentally dead to them. And you're right. And mom might be, I don't know,

that's it. That's just what I would do. I just grew up so bad behind bars. By the way,

I think she'll do very good behind bars. I think she'll be like a Lori Vallow and run. Yeah,

we thought same thing. I think I think she'll actually do well behind bars, but I think she'll

probably, you know, drink from the toilet. You know, so here's my question. Do we know the law

where she's at? Can she profit from from this behind bars? Because you know, there's going to be

a Netflix on her. Do you talk the sun? No. So, okay, I remember I looked into this. The sun

there are no exact sun of Sam laws exactly like that, but there are laws that prohibit her from

making money off of it because, yes, I'm okay. Sure, that there is something in place that you

can't profit. All right. And actually, this is, Tony, we didn't get to this one, but I wanted

to cover it. It was one listener because it's on the same theme. One of the listeners had written

in about what about the book and then proceeds from the book. Where's that go? I looked it up.

So the book is actually no longer for sale. The publishers spend it and regardless from the

point she was convicted, all assets were frozen for restitution. So there's no way she would have

made money on it anywhere or anyone could make money on it because it's off the shelf. At the end

of the day, I don't think people realize how little people make off of books either. And I can't

imagine, I can't imagine that this was a highly profitable book. And, you know, and even though,

and so it'll be interesting, Jen, because even though, and Tony too, even though she can't make money,

whether she does it, I don't, this is point she doesn't need it because she's like, oh, I'm in

jail. I'm out of debt finally. I wonder how, honestly, God, I wonder how, you know, that mug shot that

we saw of her, she looked relieved. I wonder how much of it is just to relief at this point,

but unfortunately, this is what I really don't like. You see me? She's going to get to control

a narrative for whoever does her story behind bars. And so potentially in there. So I think we're

going to see something because she's going to revel in that. And I think to Jen's point, she will

thrive behind bars because of controlling narratives. But I did have one moment. There's one moment that

I really, really, really liked during the end of the trial because she wasn't given a much

except relating to herself. But did everyone see how heavily she was breathing when the jury,

when they're reading the verdict? She was under such stress because you could see and feel that

heart pounding, you know, in her chest. And that just, that made me feel really, really good because

the heart is pounding with that anticipation. And then the bomb dropped. That was just a great

moment because she, as little empathy as she has for anyone else, she has great empathy for herself,

which is called narcissism. So it just, when that, you could see her heart explode at the

disappointment. That was a great moment. When she was surprised, do you think she was surprised by

the verdict? It looked it didn't it? Yeah. She was still believing in her own. She was hopeful.

She looked hopeful. I think she looked hopeful. Narcissism is neat.

I always say, because it's like, it's just great. It's insane to watch because it's like,

wow, you really believe this. That's really impressive that you believe this. That's amazing.

Yeah, good, good word. Hey, Mona. She was heaving. You're right. That's good.

My God. All right. Your guys' thoughts on the comment section on Substack and YouTube.

Love to get them. Be sure to press subscribe wherever you're downloading podcasts. You don't

miss any of our coverage of this in the many cases that we follow for you right here.

As always, thank you guys. Robyn's new book. It is out this week. It's not,

oops, there goes my keys. It's not all about me. Yeah, available wherever books are sold go and

check that out. Until next time for Jennifer Koffendafer. Robyn Drake and Todd, I'm Tony

Brusky. We'll talk again real soon.

editorial. That's the word a juror used. A juror who watched Corey Richens every single day

of that trial told ABC's Good Morning America that Corey barely moved, barely reacted.

A small smile here and there when she leaned in towards her attorneys otherwise nothing.

As far as what she saw, no fear, no grief, no visible. See where their performance ended and the

real person began 42 witnesses, three weeks of testimony about secret insurance policies,

a housekeeper, her soldier pills at a gas station, phone searches for how much fentanyl it takes

to kill a man, a statue. And then judge Richard Marsik read the word guilty.

Corey Richens bowed her head, started breathing heavily. So here's where this is actually added.

And here's what this is actually about. Not the verdict herself, it's self because you already

know the verdict. But what broke in that moment? What is the lie finally catching up with her?

Was it something closer to relief? The performance finally over or was it neither of those things?

Was it simply the recognition that the story needed a new chapter that she was already thinking

about how to write it? Because if you've been paying attention to Corey Richens, you know one

thing above everything else, this woman does not stop writing. You have to understand what she

built before you can understand what a guilty verdict means to someone like her. Eric Richens died

on March 4th of 2022 in the home he shared with his wife and their three young boys outside of

Park City, Utah, five times a lethal dose of fentanyl in a system. The medical examiner determined

it was illicit street drugs, not prescription ingested orally. The only adults in that house were

Eric and Corey. Within a year of his death, Corey written a children's book, are you with me,

dedicated to her amazing husband that she was cheating on and poisoning? She took it to local

television. She sat in front of a camera and described navigating the first holidays without

him, his birthday, their anniversary. She said writing it brought her peace. She said it gave her and

her boy something to work towards, except she didn't write any of it. She told Carmen love her

housekeeper, the woman prosecutors say sold her the fentanyl pills that Eric died of a brain

aneurysm. When she was arrested in May of 23, she sat down with date line NBC because she just

couldn't resist and said on camera, this means war, not grief, not disbelief, war. And her mother

Lisa Darden sent the grief book to the Semicounty Sheriff's office anonymously, wrote a note

declaring it proof of the true Corey, a devoted wife and adoring mother. That details, Matt,

that detail, it matters. More than it might seem because this was never a solo performance.

Corey Richardson's carrier story, she built a production around it, a published book,

television appearances, a supporting cast that included her own mother, mailing anonymous packages

to people investigating her daughter from murder. This wasn't one person maintaining a lie in

private. This was an entire machine built to generate and distribute a particular version of

reality, a guilty verdict now has to contend with that machine, not just with one woman in a court

room. The most important thing about this verdict got the least attention. That jury did not want

to find her guilty. They did, but they didn't want to. Let's talk about that. And while we do,

give me your thoughts in the comments section on YouTube and sub stack, the links are in the

description. During Laura said it directly on day one, she felt sympathy for Corey. She saw a woman

sitting alone at that desperate table while the prosecution laid out its case against her.

She said she initially thought Corey herself felt trapped. The jury and Laura's own words

was really sad because they did not want it to be true. They walked into that deliberation

room actively looking for a reason not to convict. Despite the mountain of evidence,

they wanted the defense's version to hold up sloppy investigation by his detectives. A

husband with a secret drug habit, nobody knew about. They wanted reasonable doubt to give them

out because they knew she had kids. They cared about those kids far more than Corey Richens cared

about her own kids. But sometimes the evidence is just so damning that you got to do what you got to

do. They deliberated for three hours after a three week trial, after 42 witnesses, after forensic

evidence, digital records and a housekeeper's testimony that put the drugs directly in Corey's

hands, eight people who extended every possible benefit of the doubt and still couldn't find a

door out. The evidence didn't just beat reasonable doubt. It beat wishful thinking. It beat the

genuine human desire of eight strangers to believe something better about someone they'd been

watching for weeks. And through every minute of it, Corey sat there like a statue. No crack in

the performance. No moment where something real showed through a gave the jurors something to

hold on to. They were looking. They needed that moment and they didn't find it.

Which brings us to the appeals and why the appellate courts and what the appellate courts maybe

are able to do and what they're going to face. Which is a whole lot of the exact same problem.

Sensing is set for May 13th after that her attorneys have 30 days to file a notice of appeal.

The case should move to the Utah Court of Appeals or the Utah Supreme Court. There are potential

grounds that offense has sought to move the trial out of Summit County to Salt Lake County that

a request was denied. They filed multiple motions for mistrial throughout the proceedings.

There were evidentiary rulings they objected to along the way. But here's the problem.

Judge Marzick was careful in the way that experienced judges are careful when they know an

appeal is coming. When Cory waved her right to testify and when the defense rested without

calling a single witness, the judge looked her directly in the eye and had her confirm both

discussions on the record. He was methodically closing off a pellet arguments before they could

be planted. Former prosecutors who've analyzed the record say the standard is brutal.

It's not enough to argue the judge got something wrong. You have to argue he got it so wrong that

the outcome might have been different with this volume and weight of evidence. That's a very

hard argument to make. Best case scenario for Cory Richens is a new trial years from now.

And she still has 26 financial felonies pending in a separate case.

Oh, yes. So it's kind of one of those, it's kind of Murdoi in a way where even if, even if by some

some amazing hand of God reaching down and changing this up, if she gets a Becky Hill

like Alec Murdoid did, would be still to know how that's even all going to end her play out.

So let's go to the Supreme Court. Even if she's still got those 26 financial felonies pending

in a separate case, mortgage fraud, money laundering, bad checks, a pattern of unlawful activities,

filed in June 25th. No trial date set yet. That case isn't going anywhere. She is by Annie

honest accounting, looking at decades for her actions. But the legal calendar is almost

besides the point because the more haunting question is what a guilty verdict actually does

to someone like Cory Richens on the inside. There are two real possibilities. The first

is relief. You just see her mugshot. She looks a little relieved. It sounds counterintuitive

until you think about what the maintenance of a lie this size actually costs every day. For

years, you are tracking what you told which person monitoring what the investigation might have

uncovered, performing grief publicly, what privately holding the truth of how that grief got manufactured.

The children's book alone sitting down to write a dedication to your amazing husband doing

television interviews about healing and peace and navigating the holidays without him. That

takes a particular kind of sustained psychological effort that's almost impossible to comprehend

from the outside. When the verdict comes and the performance is over, some people in that position

find something that resembles rest, not peace, not freedom, just the end of having to be the other

person. The lie doesn't have to be maintained anymore. A terrible ending is still an ending,

and endings can feel like exhaling. But then there's the second possibility. This is the one that

keeps me up at night. People who have built their entire identity around a false narrative don't

release it when confronted with proof its false. They dig deeper. The more the lie has become who they

are and who they believe they are, the more a direct challenge, even a unanimous jury verdict

actually tightens their grip on the story. It's not stubbornness in an ordinary sense. It's

something closer to survival. And meaning the truth doesn't just mean admitting to a crime.

It means the total collapse of itself that was constructed around not having committed it.

For Corey Richards, that self was public. It had a publisher. It had a television appearance.

It had a mother who sent anonymous packages defending it to the sheriff. You don't just walk

away from that. Not easily. Maybe not ever. And here's where two specific pieces of writing tell

you everything. First piece. Are you with me? The children's grief book written in the year after

Eric's death dedicated to the husband prosecutors say she poisoned published and promoted while she

allegedly knew exactly how he died. There's a second piece. The six page letter found in Corey's

jail cell in September of 23. Apparently scripting testimony for her brother instructing him to tell

her former attorney that Eric had confided in him about getting fentanyl from Mexico and using it

every night. Her defense said it was fiction that she was working on. The prosecution called it

a guilty conscience building another cover story. Two pieces of writing. Two separate moments

from the narrative needed shoring up the same instinct each time when the stories at risk

construct something. Put it on paper. Make it real by writing it down.

This is not the behavior of someone who experiences a guilty verdict as a reckoning.

This is the behavior of someone already working on the next draft.

And remember, she wasn't doing it alone. Her mother sent that book anonymously to the sheriff's

office and called it proof that the of the real Corey, the false narrative had believers,

promoters, people who had stalked or staked something on it. A jury verdict doesn't dissolve

that infrastructure. If anything, it gives the next chapter an audience. The grieving widow has

become the wrongfully convicted mother, same character, different chapter. When you talk like

Donna Ailsen, it makes it all the more dramatic. Go back to what the jury saw. Eight people

who wanted to believe her who spent three weeks hoping the evidence would have handed them a

reason to vote the other way. They watched her every day and couldn't find a single crack.

No same no moment where something real and unguarded showed through. They were looking for it.

They needed it and they didn't get it. That is not innocence under pressure. That is something

else entirely. And whatever it is, it will carry her through the appeals through the financial

crimes trial through every new chapter. The legal system writes for her, not as legal strategy as a

way of being. Sentencing is May 13th. There would have been Eric Richards 44th birthday.

Whether the court's calendar landed there by coincidence to design, it sits like a quiet final

punctuation mark on a story. That's been anything but quiet. On the day his family would have been

celebrating his life. A judge will decide how many years get taken away from his wife. His sister Amy

wept in that courtroom the night the verdict came in. She said it had been a long time coming so

they could finally focus on honoring Eric's life and supporting his boys, his boys, their boys.

Three kids roughly 13, 11 and nine now who grew up inside the story. Corey told who had that book

in their home. Maybe read to them. Maybe on a shelf where they could see it.

Who were handed a version of their father's death that eight strangers just formally rejected.

They'll carry all of it. The original story, the true story and the distance between the two

for the rest of their lives. That's not a legal consequence. That's just the weight of what was done.

Three hours. Three years of Corey Richards maintaining her story, the book, the television

appearances, her mother's anonymous packages, the letters from jail and eight people who walked into

that deliberation room hoping she was innocent needed three hours to dismantle all of it.

She said this means war. She meant it. It feels will come. The legal machine will keep turning.

New chapters will get written because that is what she does. That is what she's always done.

When the story needs protecting, she picks up a pen and guess what? They have pens in prison.

But in May 13th, the judge will look at her across the courtroom. It would have been her husband's

44th birthday. Whatever she's writing in her head in that moment, whatever the next chapter

looks like to her, the sentence is going to be the same. Some lies out last the courtroom.

Some people carry them all the way to the end. What will Corey do? Give me your thoughts in the

comments section on Substack and YouTube. Love to read those and we'll continue our conversation

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