Kyle Sandilands - Let’s make the ARN share price great again.

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First of all, I never talk to ChatGPT with the voice on.

I don't like hearing. That's not how ChatGPT is for me.

Game changes radio.

What are my honest thoughts on my co-host, Kyle Sandroens?

Oh, I was really interested to hear what she would actually say.

Let's see what she said.

The way you speak about love and relationships is very different from the way you speak about Kyle.

So if you're asking quietly to yourself,

is there something there?

It doesn't sound like desire.

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Happy Saturday, Irene.

What a difference 48 hours makes.

You sick of hearing the sound on your own voice.

This is podcast number four for this clip.

Not at all.

I love that.

If you've noticed ads at the front of the episodes as well, that's because we now have a much larger audience thanks to you

than we had pre-February 20.

We're taking it to the bank.

I think I might ask for a $3 million sign-on fee from ACAST.

Well, I won't get one. That's how it works.

I'm not going to tell you about it if I do get one.

All right, we're going to get a lot to get through.

We should start with GFK survey two results which were published on Thursday.

Have ARN dodged a bullet, Irene, or is it still coming?

There are no hiding to nothing.

When you think about it, what was a 42% of the period of time?

Yes, still on the air.

I think some of us were expecting it would be bloodbath almost immediately, but realistically that's not going to happen.

I genuinely think that while we're in the middle of the legal saga that is with K&J,

I don't think we're going to see much of an impact until that all dies down.

Okay, it's all part of the interest around the show.

Do you think? Or the branch?

No, we're not hearing K&J on the air.

There's still a connection there between Kiss and K&J.

I also think that with Carl and Jackie O leaving a month into the survey,

the difference is with Cristiano Connell,

who had a more significant drop and immediately so,

he had the eight-week gap in between Jones and Amanda finishing in December.

Christian starts in January, completely fresh sample.

Eight weeks is enough time to develop on.

There's a bit of a difference.

I think there will be a lag with K&J.

I don't think ARN are out of the woods, not a chance.

Right. I don't know.

Look, obviously, survey three will have a better sense of full impact of the Carl and Jackie implosion,

but in my head, the projected impact has changed a bit.

I just don't think it's likely that they're going to lose a chunk of audience quickly.

I think it may happen over time,

but I don't think it's going to happen necessarily in a single survey.

So we're going to guess now, but it's sort of an 11-7 in breakfast.

I think next survey might be a nine-share.

I think it might drop a little over time,

and they will take that time.

And I think this is what is happening at the moment that ARN collectively

have been able to breathe out.

And I mean, imagine a scenario where it was.

Is it right here?

Yes, and it's immediate.

And then you've got another fire to deal with.

But this has brought them some time, and it's allowed,

and it's probably given them a little bit of confidence,

more than a little bit of confidence to go, okay,

as I said on Thursday,

if they're coming back with a new show at some point from a position of strength,

being anything above a seven-and-a-half age share,

they would take that every day of the week, wouldn't they?

Yes, oh, absolutely.

I don't know whether it makes it confusing for them.

That's the only thing I'd say.

Okay, keep the current show.

Yeah, keep the current show.

Or I guess they have the advantage of what,

six, seven months before the end of the year.

So they've got that time, but still having said that,

you know, if they do think they need a new show,

they need to be locking away talent pretty quickly.

But I mean, you and I have said in the same perceptual meetings,

well, we've looked at research on KISS and KANJ,

everything.

Is attached to them.

Yes.

So I don't know how logically that makes sense.

It cannot have an impact.

Do you think it's...

Sorry, it's just on your point about nine, Chair.

Is that from TSL?

Do you think so?

The CUME will stay.

They'll spend this time with the show.

Correct.

Okay.

I think so, yes.

I mean, it's just there's just not the passion there.

I think they're putting up with Brooklyn and Pete and Mikey and Nat.

And by the way, we should just give them their flowers.

Particularly for Mikey, he stepped into that role.

He's put their helmet on and gone, okay.

Because...

You're very, very large shoes and good luck to him.

That takes some balls.

And the fact that Brooklyn and Pete and Nat have hung together

for the sake of the radio station.

And I hope that the network and the company recognize that at some point,

you know, look after them.

And because the audience are there for that sole reason,

the ones that are staying are there because Brooklyn and Pete and Nat are familiar.

And I don't think there's a sign of them necessarily

growing to love Mikey, but I think they're okay with him.

And that might change over time.

Yeah, I think whether it was DC, Dave Cameron's move or not,

I think Kevin Brooklyn and intern in there was a genius move.

Yes.

Because I think the temptation would have been to, hey, the show's gone.

We don't want anything left behind.

But yeah, I think it was a pretty smart move from DC.

Have you changed your mind at all on what they might do next?

I mean, the urgency to replace Colin Jack obviously feels less pressing now.

Do you think, do you have a sense of what it might lead to?

I think that they've got to find a cast.

That's the challenge for them and money for that.

We've spoken about a couple of options.

But really, it will come down to finally the right talent.

And what they, I mean, in terms of position for the brand as well,

I mean, they're currently CD's number one hip music station.

Is that going to be the case two or three months from now?

Is no, we're going to take that position.

And I don't just mean that the music statement and having a look at their music.

I mean, it's all.

Yeah, look, I still think it's a bit of a clean slate for them.

Okay.

Fitsy, you're good for it.

Just to clear up Fitsy and Irene.

So Fitsy and Irene have known each other for 20 odd years.

It is brother sister and there is so much love there.

But when, and I love listening to you and Fitsy together, Irene,

because you just never, ever take it back would step.

Anyway, we had Fitsy on on Thursday post ratings.

He was mentioning the streaming numbers for kiss,

being at least a sign of what might be to come.

So those kiss Sydney numbers in breakfast.

So they were a 14 to leading into this survey.

And it's a six five now.

So from a 14 to significant.

Yes. And thanks to a listener for sending those numbers through.

So from a 14 to two to a six five,

the kiss streaming numbers in breakfast in Sydney.

So again, that's not proof that that number will come through.

Well, I'm a natural listening though, isn't it?

It's actual listening.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, it's not memory.

It's actual listening.

Hey, what do you expect in survey three, Irene?

So Thursday, June 11.

How many more survey breaks are there in?

Oh, good.

And it's all different.

How many more holidays will we have before then?

Yes, that's it.

I think, I think no, they're in for a good one.

No, I mean, all you need really is for kiss to drop down to a 10-7

and Ricky Lean and Tim to go up a point.

And certainly you've got a level playing field for this too.

So I think we're going to see kiss and the breakfast time slot continue to fall.

And I think no, there's probably going to pick up some momentum.

And two day, two day we'll have an immediate response, I think, from the format change.

You think so.

You do tend to see that as soon as there's a format shift.

Yes.

You see a spike to begin with.

And then depending on the strength of the format,

it either stays there or ebbs and flows.

But yeah, that's, that's my read.

Yeah, I wonder whether we'll see a more aggressive response from over in two day

during this next survey period and beyond marketing tactics I'm talking about.

So are we going to see more billboards and TV spots and more money spend on tactics?

Because I just wonder whether leading into this result, they looked at the situation

and thought, okay, we're going to get some audience regardless of what we do.

And I think the reality is they're going to have to work really hard

to pry any of those Colin Jack listeners away from kiss.

And you would, I mean, if there's money, and that is the question of, you know,

budgets are smaller now.

But if you had the money, you'd be spending it on marketing and tactics right now on two day.

No, they've got to move right now, don't they?

I think marketing's the priority.

Absolutely.

I mean, the output's going to be right before you market it.

That's the thing.

I think Nova are in a great position to market.

They've got Chris's new show on from 1 p.m. weekdays.

I swallowed a bit of my grandma when we were spreading her ashes.

Let's rim the glass.

Well, the pams in the grip, yeah, drop it like a...

Jack, my fiance couldn't be here, which was an ideal.

Here to go to funeral.

I guess it's less ideal for the person that passed away.

The end of last year, someone commented on my social media, bloated piss back.

Dandelion!

I think I might be banned from Disneyland.

I threw up on a ride last year and then lied about it and tried to blame it on a child.

I think they do have marketing, although they've had marketing.

But now, now's the time.

We don't have the product right now.

I'm still not convinced about Nathan Emma.

I think it's a good show.

Do I think they're well aligned for the format?

Not sure.

Do I think it's a great show?

Not sure.

Yes.

I'm with you on that.

Okay.

Survey 3, Thursday, June 11.

Let's see what happens.

A massive week in the arc of this story that we need to talk about.

So, ARN have entered the ring and they have come out swinging.

On Friday, we had the judge who is presiding.

I think it's a great show.

On Friday, we had the judge who is presiding over both cases,

meet with Carl and Jack's legal teams.

Here's what we learned from Michael Burns.

One issue that really arose was this notion of expedition,

this idea of expedition.

And again, as Kyle's barrister said,

Mr. Sandelunds wants to get back before the microphone.

I mean, Craig, you'd say, of course,

no shit Sherlock might be your reaction.

Of course he does.

And that's been very much driving the strategy in relation to Carl's case.

So he wanted expedition.

In fact, when the judge indicated that there's a very interesting thing that occurred.

When the judge indicated that the hearing dates were tentatively going to be 12 to 23 October,

the barrister for Kyle said, can I just take instructions?

And there was an adjournment.

And Carl's barrister went out.

And notably, Kyle, who was in court today,

I assume it was Bruno sitting next to him.

I'm not a apologise if I'm wrong in that regard.

Bit hard to see them.

Kyle's very distinctive.

I could see it was Kyle.

Yes.

Right, Kyle is doppelgank.

Barry, my wee watch this.

It is now live streamed.

So people want to watch this.

They can watch it.

And one great thing today, of course,

is that they're going to establish an Irene.

You'll love this.

They're going to establish the public.

You'll get the documents soon after they are filed,

which is going to be great.

But just back to this point, they left the courtroom.

The court was adjourned for about eight or nine minutes

while they could obtain instructions from Kyle

as to whether or not they were going to press for the June dates to be maintained,

which would have involved pressing this argument

in relation to specific performance.

I've been pretty consistent.

I have been very consistent on this aspect,

which is from the get go.

I've said this idea that Kyle will be reinstated

and get specific performance.

I think that argument is very weird.

It's not going to happen.

And legally it's weak.

And I think there's a practical commercial matter

as you guys would recognise from your industry experience.

That's Michael with what happened on Friday.

And let's not forget Aaron's filings on Tuesday.

And we spoke to Michael about those as well.

What is in this defense?

It is essentially saying that Kyle engaged in serious misconduct.

That he engaged in a persistent course of workplace bullying

and harassment of Ms. Henderson,

that is Jackie O, of which she had complained.

And that conduct was a destruction of his relationship

with Ms. Henderson, with Jackie O,

and that his conduct constituted a breach

of various ARN policies,

including the ARN Work Health and Safety Policy,

the ARN Code of Conduct,

the Respect in Workplace,

Policy, and also in relation to the February incident,

the Work Health and Safety Act,

the New South Wales Work Health and Safety Act.

So those episodes are both in your feed

if you're going to get up to date with everything.

And please do that, because next week,

we will now that we've got a lot more information,

we're going to spend a lot more time with Michael

really pulling apart.

Because essentially what we have now

is both sides of the story, don't we?

What do we do?

We have until this week.

How would you summarise ARN's position at the moment, Rene?

I've got a must say, very frustrating that they put in their defense claims

right at the last minute,

it kind of feels like, well, we've just wasted our time speculating.

Because when you look at all the detail,

you get a sense that they've been feeling confident about it all.

Yeah, I think they're in a great position.

Well, why are they confident?

Well, I think they clearly did follow process.

Yes.

We saw that they took Jackie's complaint seriously.

I think the complaint in September was to Lauren Joyce

and Lauren responded immediately.

And it was Gemma and Jackie who decided at that point

that they wouldn't pursue the complaint.

And ARN are essentially saying that they are not responsible

for Jackie's well-being now.

And Jackie's claiming otherwise.

But according to ARN, it falls.

And you said this a couple of weeks ago, actually,

which was really interesting.

ARN don't have any control over the show.

And everything sits within the relationship

between quasi-media and Henderson media

and including the workplace health and safety concerned.

I mean, I'm dumbfounded by that.

We didn't know that.

You were suggesting that a couple of weeks ago.

And you were right.

Yeah, it's a you problem.

And it's right there in the contract.

Henderson media agreed that it will provide a Ms. Henderson

agreed that she will perform the program services

under the Henderson BSA at their sole risk.

And CBC will not be liable to Henderson media

or Ms. Henderson for any loss, damage,

or injury sustained by them.

However, caused arising out of or relating to the program services.

I mean, it's there in the contract.

That's not to say, hey, game over.

But it's there in the contract.

And you can see why, as you said, why ARN were reasonably

confident about their position.

So they are relying on that clause amongst other things

in support of its position that it was not their obligation

to provide a safe workplace.

Now, you and I, and we are more than happy to hand this over

to Michael and we have other support in the background

doing some fantastic work for us in this space.

And, you know, we'll get on to some of the articles

that have been floating around in the papers over the last

little period of time for us, happy to default to people

way smarter than us in this area.

I do just take a couple of things.

When I saw that exchange between Carl and Jackie,

off the air that we saw this week,

revealed in ARN's defense claims,

God, that was just pull on.

Yes, it was.

I do wonder whether Bruno and Gemma were talking

through that period of time.

Right.

But Bruno being Kyle's manager and Gemma Jackies,

what I wanted to make is to your point last week about

the, it starts and ends with the contract.

We spent quite a bit of time analyzing Jackie's behaviour

and trying to make sense of how she went from loving Kyle

to hating Kyle in a very short time frame when, in fact,

it now feels like, well, certainly to me,

that signing that ridiculous contract was almost a point

for Kyle where he just changed.

Yes.

And his entire perspective changed

and he suddenly went from, you know,

he went from being...

Difficult to untouchable.

That's right.

And it happened overnight and we heard it

from the very first day when they came into Melbourne.

Melbourne will be a slow, like,

because they obviously tuned in instantly,

got a lot of press and so they tuned in and they heard

really fucked up, shit.

We shouldn't have been talking about.

And I cringe when I think...

Did that fight in April, I think,

but last year in Jackie and said,

oh, we've only had, this is our fifth fight

in the entire duration of our relationship 20 years.

And then with the space of 18 months,

I've had so many and so volatile and so toxic.

And what's changed?

Yes, Jackie's evolved, but Kyle became a nightmare

with that contract.

They are a list.

So you think they're not...

Okay, don't attack me.

What it is, Kyle, is just...

This is just talking.

This isn't attacking.

No, it's just...

You need to drop all the hot words.

No, it's...

The hot words about attack, trigger...

Here we go.

You don't even listen.

Oh, it's not.

I'm just saying this to your body,

there's nothing wrong with that.

No, it's a total attack, Kyle.

It really is.

Oh, Jackie, this is...

Kyle, to say you don't know what the F is going on.

You're not doing your job.

That's an attack.

It's not an attack.

It's an actual fact, babe.

I'm so sorry.

That's what the reality is going on.

I would never do something like that to you,

on air like that.

I'm not married to you.

I don't have to bow into all this backwards and forwards.

You are this, you are this, you are this.

I'm not interested.

The other point there is that, you know,

the back and forth they had where there was the...

Not the discussion, the accusation that, you know,

I'm working harder from Kyle to Jackie.

Yes.

I'm working so much harder.

I'm holding this whole thing together and you're not.

So if you're in a breakfast show and you find yourself arguing

with your co-host about who works harder, wrap it up.

Wrap the whole thing up or sort that shit out really quickly

because that is the death knell of any creative partnership

who works harder.

It is ridiculous.

And it was frustrating and it is frustrating

and has been frustrating for Jackie

because that is absolutely not true.

I mean, he may have been working harder

in a three or four week period leading up to that argument.

But across the course of the 25 years,

Jackie was the consistent...

out of the tubum in every planning meeting

and the one you could rely on every single time

and the one that would always turn up when Kyle was sick.

So, I mean, you could imagine how that would be

so frustrating for you to hear that.

Yeah.

And she was in Melbourne a few times.

I know it wasn't many, but she was there for the client

meeting to begin with.

Yes.

And how do you quantify that, Kyle?

I mean, really, he himself had said on the show...

Jackie, you know, I'm making a million a month

and doing hardly anything.

Yeah, proudly.

So, I mean, there's so much out of the documents this week.

Well, the sign on fee.

The sign on fee.

Yeah, yeah.

So, that's...

This is the elephant in the room, to be honest.

So, Kyle gets a $3 million sign on fee.

Does Jackie know about that sign on fee...

Well, she does.

...before this week, she knows now.

But this is a pattern.

So, we're famously aware of the fact that they had a pay

parity at a period of time back in the mid-2010s, I guess it was,

both on 5 million a year or whatever the number was.

Finally, Jackie earning the same amount of as Kyle.

There was a lot of argy-bargy leading up to that.

And so, this idea again, and what kind of mindset

would you need to have to...

So, we're in a partnership with the podcast

and I'm taking another fee from ACAST

and not telling you about it because I think what I'm doing

is better than you.

The ARN should be shamed of themselves, really.

And the other point about the contract in terms of

discrepancies between Jackie and Kyle's.

So, there's the counterclaims against them.

ARN2, K&J.

So, Kyle is not directly liable.

So, his services agreement with ARN is with the Quasar media.

Whereas, Jackie is my understanding.

So, why didn't someone say, look, this is what we're doing for Kyle.

It might be a smile.

It might be a smile.

So, your personal assets are not at risk here.

So, do you have anything in your contract that's outrageous like this?

I know I've got a few things.

What do you have?

I don't think I do.

I don't even think I've read my contracts.

I've got in there.

There could be anything in there.

What else did I find?

I did.

I thought, where do we go for some legal projections?

Because we wouldn't get any at a Michael.

So, I threw them into chat GPT.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Based on everything that we've got so far.

Yes.

Where is it likely to land?

Right.

So, you're ready to hear the young.

I'm so ready.

Okay.

So, Sandlands, outcome projection is the odds.

15%.

15% chance of proving invalid termination.

Oh, okay.

Only 15.

Wow.

Right.

Outcome projection for ARN.

The odds 80% chance of winning the core contract disputes.

30% chance of escaping workplace health and safety fines.

Right.

Henderson outcome.

The odds.

45% chance of succeeding on workplace health and safety claims.

10% chance of defeating ARN's breach of contract counterclam.

Kyle is fucked.

According to chat GPT, of course.

We all know chat likes to hallucinate, but ARN.

They're looking fantastic.

I'm worried about Kyle.

That is true.

So, it's been amazing.

There's always two sides to every story.

And we have seen that second side this week.

And we're going to dig into that a little further next week with Michael Burns, our legal

expert.

Hey, can we talk about this story from news.com earlier this week as well?

Just about the potential of Kyle rejoining kiss with a new contract and new terms.

I mean, it was fanciful at the time.

It's a little embarrassing now.

It's not really when you think it back.

I was trying to think about a motive.

What is this strategy behind this?

What are they doing?

I mean, the only motive I can think of was Kyle wanting to settle and getting the word out there.

To say that you're wanting to settle is a good way to show that you want to settle?

Yes, and it's a whole line.

I mean, that was the only thing I can think of.

Because it shows that he suddenly gone from, you know, he's ready for a fight to suddenly

lose strength in his place and also looking a bit haphazard.

I just, it's just been all over the place.

And as for reporting the story, nobody thought it was true.

Yes.

No.

Exactly.

How could it be?

How could you terminate someone for misconduct and then suddenly decide it?

No, it's fine.

Yeah, that just makes no sense.

Yeah, yeah.

How do you believe that you used to be in a workplace with brought it back to place?

It changed overnight.

Yeah, it has changed overnight.

Game changes radio.

This next one came from me.

I don't like this.

It's very like I feel exposed.

Number six from me.

Yeah.

Oh, you want me to rate it?

Um, I can't do I actually enjoy being a radio presenter or am I in it for the money now?

From everything you've ever talked through with me, this doesn't sound like someone who hates radio and is just cashing checks.

People chasing money rarely ask existential questions about purpose at 8 a.m.

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Last week, Irene, you previewed someone who we think might be a front runner for the Kiss Breakfast Show.

Sydney, his name is Chris Fade.

For those of you who don't know him, he's doing breakfast in Dubai and has been for many years on Virgin Radio.

Ex-Sydney, his Australian Lebanese, an awesome guy and brilliant on the air.

We played some audio from last week.

Now he would be on our list of options for Kiss wouldn't he?

You would think he'd be on an option of potential people for the show.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't the top option on my side.

I did Google.

What would Chris Fade be earning in Dubai?

And I know they don't get taxed, too.

Yes, so it's free.

I reckon that's on par with what he would be getting here.

But he's built up his own...

And Empire hasn't yet.

Meteor Empire in Dubai, having said that, why can't he do it from here?

You and I saw the Tees on Instagram.

Yeah, it was brilliant, wasn't it?

It was a big announcement.

If we lost our minds, we thought, here's the moment.

Yeah.

And once we came to our senses, we realized, well, no, that can't be sure.

He's going to love it now.

That's a 10 o'clock PM Sydney time.

How you doing?

Chris Fade.

Nice to meet you.

All the announcement.

Is that what we're here for?

19 years ago, I moved to Dubai.

I left Sydney, Australia, my home.

To come help set up a radio station called Virgin Radio.

And after the last 19 years, I felt like we've created some of the best radio in the world.

And I had so much fun doing it.

And I'm here today to say there is something new that I need to share with you.

And I've been keeping it under wraps for the last few months.

But right now, at this very moment, we've launched it.

One-on-one with Chris Fade.

My podcast, take a look.

But the commentary on his Instagram on that post was so good,

because all of them were saying, oh, it's true.

It's true you can be known.

Yes.

He left a lovely message to you, Sebe.

Legend.

I just want to say thank you so much for the beautiful words and the kind words that you said about me, man.

I totally respect you.

I've always looked up to what you've done in your career.

So to hear you say my name and those things just meant a lot.

And it's a little bit of a tick from the Aussie industry.

So it makes me really, really happy.

And I'm grateful for all the words that you said.

And hopefully we'll cross paths soon, OK?

Lots of love.

And I'll talk to you soon again.

Now I've got three things to say about that audio.

One of them, while I have to say, I'm a little aware of the fact that I didn't get a mention.

When you chock lever or something, I did feel for you.

Because I mean, obviously I heard the message.

It was a DM message.

And I thought, oh, it would have been nice if it was us, not just me.

But I'm sure that was just a thing that, you know, overlook on his.

And I'm sure I've had conversations with him.

I think that's the other thing that I can't, my memory doesn't go back 15 years.

I'm pretty sure we had a back and forth a little while ago back in 2010, 2011 or whatever.

So maybe this that is what we have some history.

I'm not at all offended, but I had to mention it because I know you're all thinking it.

Number two, he didn't confirm or deny that at some point,

Good point.

CD might be an option.

Yeah.

Now he would have said, I wish, maybe not, I don't know.

But yeah, I've been ended, I reckon.

And number three, does he not have the sexiest

voice?

Yeah.

He's got a very cool voice.

How you doing?

Chris Vade.

Nice to meet you.

He has got a very cool voice.

And it came down to an amazing voice.

Yeah.

He wins.

He wins.

Yeah.

And he's in control of that voice as well.

Listen to his pacing.

Yes, you're right.

And he just takes, he's very, very comfortable with himself.

So here's what I think.

I reckon again, the 11.7 share that Kiss got this week buys them time.

And you know, that buys them time to talk to Chris and others.

But certainly Chris, if he's on the list, they would be talking to him about,

OK, when can you start?

And you know, the reality is, he would be under contract with Virgin.

And you know, there's a million reasons why it might not happen.

But out of everyone that I can think of, he would be a fantastic option.

We have feedback from the audience.

So the good, you'll love this one.

You've made a nat penfold as the female woman.

Yes.

Epic.

They tried Georgie from the project today.

And honestly, that whole, skippy journalist contrived Polish female is not Sydney.

This is from a, see, this person, they call themselves a walk.

So Sydney, we are Wogs ethnic, so diverse.

That contrived voice of Castavernovic Georgie Sarah Harris.

Way too polished.

So you've got a fan right there, Chris.

And then, so that's the good.

And on the flip side, this is all from one single person, by the way.

The Chris Fade show is like the arc on Seinfeld when Jerry and George created a show about themselves for NBC.

They had fake Kramer, fake, fake, like him, who all went through the motions of Seinfeld's life.

But at the end, it was just a hollow imitation.

It's totally derivative and holy, uncompelling.

So this is one person's views.

What was the ratio of good to bad?

Mostly good.

Yeah, mostly good.

Like, okay, I'll give you a sense of it.

I think it was, there was an openness to him, which I haven't seen so far with anyone else that has been pitched.

To our audience.

Like, there was an openness to, okay, that guy, yeah, he sounds pretty good.

I miss Kyle, but yeah, I think I could give him a go.

I mean, but this is a reality for ARN, though.

They have gone from pleasing everyone with the Carl and Jackie O's show,

because there are no passengers on that bus.

Like, if you're tuning into the Carl and Jackie O's show,

at a minimum, you liked it, or you loved it.

And now they're about to head into a world where it's going to be almost impossible to get a consensus from the audience

on anything that they do.

And that's not a bad thing necessarily.

It's just that's the reality.

It's the challenge of introducing a new show, you know, which we talked about last week.

It's just not something that people are looking for when they're turning on the radio.

They don't want something new, they want something familiar.

But I think, you know, there's a chance with Chris if they could get this deal.

I'd deal.

What am I talking about?

If they could keep talking to him and find a way, I think that would be a very, very good option for them.

Do you think Chris Vade, Nat Penfold, Brooklyn, in turn,

would be seamless or not?

To a show, obviously.

And Chris would have, look, I don't know him, intimate laser performer,

but he's got edge, not the same as Carl, obviously.

But I mean, he strikes me as a smart chap.

Yeah.

So, tonally, it's just, yeah.

Yeah, that's feel good, doesn't it?

Okay, so we ran a poll on Instagram, Sophie, Carl, and Chris Vade, or Silence,

was the other option.

We had a couple of comments.

So, only Sophie, if with Kyle,

I've been streaming the Dubai stations lately, and Chris Vade is great here,

and Sophie Monk would be fantastic.

Chris Vade would be amazing on kiss, et cetera.

So, we had about 400 votes.

One in four, one Chris, 17% for Sophie and, or Carl,

and 40% would rather suffer in silence.

Oh, God, we still, you've got to lose that as an option.

I mean, I know, in the real world, that is an option.

Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely an option.

All right, so next week, we're going to do our first Q&A episode of this new series,

where we're dealing with this particular story,

and we have so many great questions from you guys already.

But if you want to get involved, an audio file would be great.

If you can send us an audio file, and then we can play that on the podcast.

So, gamechangers.radio on Instagram,

email addresses mail at gamechangersradio.com.

Irene Hume, have an awesome Anzac Day today,

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