Kylie on WORST Things To Say To Women, Uncle Trav's Otters & Baby Scouting Report w/ Mina Kimes | Ep. 58

Not gonna lie. When Benny thinks I'm going too fast in the car, she tells me. And when I tell her,

I'm not going too fast. She says, oh, you're going the speed limit?

She means speed limit. Sometimes she says lemon speed. And that takes me a little longer to get to

the final destination. So let's get this podcast started.

Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Yasuo, ridiculously better.

I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I'm tuning in to the Paralympics, because you should be too.

Let's cheer on Team USA. I'm still learning how to say, can I pet your dog in Italian?

I did ask while I was there using Google Translate. If it's appropriate to ask Italians to pet their

dogs, I was not discouraged. And I'm the mother of another birthday girl. That's right. This week,

Elliott Ray Kelsey turns a whole hand. It's so sad. That's so sad. It's also today, the day that we're

recording. It's March 3rd. It is Ellie's fifth birthday. There were some presents on the table

today. She got a chair that she can sit inside of. Don't ask questions. That's ridiculous.

She likes to be cuddled. And the chair is now a backup. She did pick her cake. She shares a

birthday with my dad. And I do think that she picked the cake based on my dad, which is so

Ellie coded. She wants a chocolate cake with Bugs Bunny holding a carrot on top of it. And Bugs Bunny

is one of my dad's favorite characters. And they haven't talked about it in quite some time,

but that's what you picked. And I really think that it's because she wanted my dad to be excited

about the cake. She's so sweet. I can't believe she's five. It really, it messes me up.

Coming up on today's episode, the return of, you know it's fucked up in honor of a certain

social phenomenon. I've decided to take upon myself to shut down in honor of women everywhere.

Happy women's history month, indeed. Then in June's growl the week, some more of my hottest

pacifier takes since the real ones enjoyed them so much last week. After that, I'm going to be

joined by ESPN NFL analyst, fellow mom, Jason's coworker, all around badass woman in sports.

And someone you guessed it, I have no business speaking to Mina Kimes. But before we get into all

that, let's get our real one mentioned of the week. This week, we are utterly honored.

And Queen Amazon on the pumps, the pumps today. What are you doing? What are you doing?

Silly. To get a shout out from some real ones at the Philly Zoo, who shared photo updates on the

otter, the girls, and I adapted for Uncle Travel. Let's see what it is. Not going to lie, our

giant river otters are still screeching with excitement over their new zoo parent Uncle Travel.

And we learned that Uncle Travel is actually the zoo parent to three otters. We met Thor.

I don't know if we met the other ones. We met Thor.

They're so loud. It's aggressive. What do you mean? You don't remember if we met Thor.

We met Thor. We met Thor because Thor has a thunderbolt on his chest.

Isn't Thor the lightning, something, or other? I'm really clued in, guys. Is that Marvel? Marvel

characters. That's not a Marvel character. Thor is not a Marvel character. Thor is a Marvel

character. Jesus Christ. Queen Emma wants us to do a collab with the other, the otter podcast,

aka the other podcast. But I just feel like that would be a dumpster fire.

We'll see how it goes. If any real ones want to support the Philly Zoo, you can adopt all sorts

of animals with a donation. Yeah, you should do that. Moving on, it's time for the return of my

favorite segment. You know what's fucked up? Hey, you know what's fucked up? Assuming a woman is

pregnant or trying to get pregnant when she simply declines a drink. Oh my gosh. I...

This happens to me all the time, okay? When I say all the time, I mean all the time. I've been

on record multiple times informing the real ones that I do in fact not usually drink. I don't usually

do it. I do not. I just don't like it that much. I think water or iced tea or a crispy coke.

They're all better. Let me go even further. Worse than that is commenting to her face

in response to her declining a beverage. I may or may not have recently had someone

offer me a beverage and when I said, oh no, thank you. They said, are you pregnant?

I'm not joking. Now, to be fair, you have picked the right bitch because I actually... I can

brush it off pretty fast. But let's not do that because we've said it so many times on the show,

you never know what someone is going through, what they have gone through previously,

what stage they are at in their journey if they are building a family. In other words,

they could be trying and you could be bringing something up that's not really good or even

weirder. Think about this. You could be saying it to someone who has actively chosen to not have kids,

which is also none of your business. You know what I mean? As always, I'm speaking for myself

in my own experiences, but I do think most women would agree. Maybe we just shouldn't do that

because in the same way that if someone looks like, huh, maybe they could be pregnant,

we don't then ask, are you pregnant? Don't do that. We're not smirking at people. Just because

you didn't ask the question doesn't mean that your smirk or raising your eyebrows is better than

that. You're not, but that's equally bad. It's almost worse because now, do I address you doing

that? And if I do address you doing that, does it seem like I'm being defensive? You're making it

weird and you've put us both in this situation now and that's not fun for anyone. So

this is similar to when people, when Jason and I first got married and people would ask,

are you trying? And I would say, we practice a lot. Now it's weird for both of us. Why do you

need to know that? That's between me and my husband. No. What should you do instead? You may ask?

Here's a few options. Okay. Offer her something else to drink and then move on or

don't offer something else to drink and move on. Another option, mind your business.

This is one of my favorite options. Again, you picked the right person. I'm actually not super

bothered by it. Would I have preferred if you had not looked at my stomach and then looked

me back in my own eyeballs? Yeah. I would have preferred that. But at the end of the day,

let's go over some scenario. Some people could have had a loss. Some people could be actively

in IVF treatments. Some people could have a diagnosis that could make it physically not possible

for them to have kids even though they would like to. Some people might have addiction to alcohol

and be in recovery. Some people might just not like the fucking tastes. There are so many

reasons I could keep going. I'm not going to because I feel you get my point now. If you have

something that you have said in response to an inquiry about maybe a pregnancy status and or

why you do or don't drink, feel free to drop it in our DMs or in our comments at NGO with Kylie.

I'm very curious to know what are some good ones that we can unleash. And that's it for, you know,

it's fucked up. Next, let's get to Doom Scroll the week brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax.

Now, this is taxes. First up on Doom Scroll. I guess my algorithm heard my comments on

Benny and her pacifiers last week because now I'm getting lots of suggestions on how to kick

the habit. Queen Emma the clip, please. The caption says he's not a baby anymore. The moment he

said goodbye to his pacifier truly went down in history, they attached a whole lot of balloons

to the end of this pacifier and let it fly up into the air. Oh, he's waving to it. Oh, no.

Okay, all of these methods are lovely. Okay, I love the idea of making it some type of beautiful

moment. You want to send it away with some balloons? Beautiful. You want to box it up and

and send it to kids who need pacifiers? Beautiful. You want to plant it in the garden and grow a couple

cake pops? Beautiful. I'm going to tell you right now. That's all funny games until they get

pissed or tired and there's no passie. Okay, we've been there. I'm going to tell you how I got

why it. It was irresponsible as a parent because it only created, you guessed it, more responsibility

for us as the parents. We went to the store. I still can't believe we did this. We went to the store

and we exchanged her passies for a fish named. Mm-hmm. Passie. Yep. Here's the deal. I don't

recommend. I don't because like I said, we then acquired the responsibility of taking care of a fish

which oh god, this is such a bad confession. Did the fish die because they may or may not have dropped

a marker in the tank and it shouldn't laugh that poor fish. They were constantly trying to give,

they were constantly trying to give the fish things and it turns out that passie actually couldn't

receive things because passie was a fish and I say was because that marker took passie to her grave.

We had to have a whole conversation about fish heaven. It's maybe keep yourself, let's not,

let's not exchange pacifiers for a more difficult conversation. Don't do what I did. Are we getting

another fish when Benny has to get rid of this passie? Fuck no. Okay. We might try the method of like

snip the ends of it. If you snip the ends, it doesn't quite give the same satisfaction and you

slowly snip away at it. Like I said, one of these days we're going to be done with a passie and when

will we do that? When we're fucking good and ready, leave us alone. Last scroll. As a real one's

know by now, the best part of TikTok is the comment section and I can't even begin to explain

how quickly I mean Olympic gold medal sprint, if you will, to the comments for this one.

Queen Amma, can you play the clip, please? Because good god. Anybody seen ketchup before I have to ask

my wife? For my audio listeners, he's asking if anyone has seen the ketchup and he is scanning his

fridge. He goes down the door once, he goes to the middle of the, back to the like inside of the

fridge and then he goes back to the door. Okay. Of course, my ass clock the ketchup. That's easy.

The next question. I don't, you, I don't know if I've addressed this on here,

but I did address it in my vows and let me tell you what my husband needs from me. I can guarantee

that he will always need me to find things for him. That is part of our relationship. It's part

of our love language. He knows that it excites my soul when he says, have you seen my truck keys?

It excites me because you're fucking right I have and I clocked it. I feel very strongly about

those. Anyway, I have to go to the comments. You have to, you rush, you rush, you run. This person said,

no, go ask your wife and bring us with you and it is a face of someone who is trying their very

best not to laugh. Okay. Outstanding the next person said, yes, all the women saw it in eight seconds.

And I think that eight seconds in generous, honestly. This last one was the comment that got me.

This was the one where I was like, Emma put it in the rundown. The person said, you want the

hunts or the hines? Guys, in case you didn't realize there are two catch-ups. First of all,

it is absolutely, I would just like to say, bat shit crazy to have two brands of catch-up in your

fridge. I just want to throw that out there. As someone who is a strict condiment household,

strict. Okay. You will not. I'm so sorry to do this. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say the brand.

You will not catch me with hunts catch-up in my fridge. You will not. It will never be.

There will be hines catch-up in my fridge. Okay. My six-year-old would sniff that shit out so fast

and then laugh in my face for trying to serve it to her. Okay. Absolutely not. Hale to the know.

It's going to be French's yellow mustard every time. Literally every time. And Helmyn's mayonnaise.

Don't argue with me. Don't fucking come in my comments with dukes. I swear to God. I'm not even a

mayo person. I will go to the pits of fucking hell on this discussion. I'm not having it with you.

I'm not. I clocked the hines the second it entered the screen. The hunts I saw on the second scan of

the fridge store because it's not my brand. That's not my brand. My eyes needed. My eyes were looking

for the hines because I thought this gentleman, he's doing the right thing. He's coming to us before

he goes to his wife. How kind? He knows what's up. He has to be a hines man. It turns out

he's unhinged because he has two different types of catch-up in his fridge. That's for that's for

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She's also an award-winning journalist and writer, the host of the Mina Kheim Show featuring Lenny.

She's a fellow mom, Jason's coworker. We'll get into that. And now she's officially not gonna lie.

Mina Kheim's welcome to the show. Hello. Thank you so much for having me. This is so exciting.

Oh, I'm so excited. I have been a huge fan of you. A head of my husband working for ESPN.

And more importantly, the way my husband speaks about you and your knowledge and the way that

you break down the game, and it is, he speaks extremely highly of you, which only made me more

invested in anything you had to say. But speaking of my husband, he's been your coworker at ESPN,

now for two NFL seasons. So I have to ask, who's the most difficult person on the desk and why is

it my husband? It's absolutely not him. He's, unfortunately, like, so far down on the diva-ranking

sports media. I know you hate to hear it. I wish I had an embarrassing story. Or even like a second

hand story. And sadly, it's all rave reviews. And I'll embarrass him for a second. You know, I don't

know him super well, but in our interactions, because art, my show is on Monday Night Football. He's

on Monday Night Countdown. We're on before that. So he works with a couple guys on my show, who adoram

as well, Ryan Clark and Mark Spiers. So we are all in the road in the same cities every Monday.

And people always ask me two questions. I'll bring up one is, you know, what's it like dealing with

so much crap from men because your job. And the first thing I always say is it's on the internet.

It is not like that actually with my colleagues or even people in the NFL. It's been an amazing

experience. They are so supportive, so cool. It's entirely external. And then the other thing

people say is, well, how can men help women? Because there aren't that many of us, particularly

ones who do my job. And I think your husband is an extremely great example of how you do that.

Which is just by being freaking normal, like asking, like just engaging in like normal football

conversations with me. And it is not about like being a, you know, weird, performative ally.

It's the things you don't see. It's if I make a comment about something I see in a game and he

will remember it weeks later and bring it up, which sounds so small. But those are the things that

actually, I feel like I'm embarrassing you transitive property here. But those are the things that

actually help. He has been awesome in that regard. And many of my co-workers are equally awesome.

Oh, that's honestly, it's lovely here. We love to, we love to joke around around here. But I know

how much he has loved working with everyone that you guys have on Monday nights. So it is nice.

I'm sure he would be blushing and telling you now, but it's lovely to hear about him in such a nice

way. Now, have you been surprised by any outfit or stunt that he's done at this point?

Not really. Actually, the instrument thing, when that was the beginning of the season, right,

when they were in the band. Yes. I didn't know. He even shocked me. Yeah, that was amazing.

Our girls saw him and we're like, hmm, what's dad doing? And I was like, playing the saxophone

apparently tonight. Who knew? I love that. That was, I think Baltimore, if I remember.

Yes, I believe it's great. But it was not surprising. No, because I feel, I feel like it would

take a lot at this point. Okay, I'll tell him to up his game so that he can surprise you.

Now, this is not my first time singing your praises on the show. I don't know if you saw this,

but when Taylor's quote from the other podcast, he called that the other podcast, went viral.

We played your TikTok using the sound, Queen Emma. Can you show us the clip, please?

And I think we all know that if there's one thing that male sports fans want to see in their

spaces and on their screens, it's more of me. Yes. Now, I love this so much. I love this so much

because first of all, badass quote. Second, it applies perfectly. How, why do you love it so much?

Why did you feel inclined to do this? Because I'm sure, like you already mentioned, this is something

that you've actually heard. Yeah, so I love the quote from Taylor because it was so tongue-in-cheek,

obviously, and she's a very, I think it was very revealing to someone who has a good sense of

humor about themselves and awareness of the way that they can trigger some people and how

silly it is and having fun with it. And I try to have the same attitude towards some of the reactions

I evoke. I aspire to. So hearing someone who's obviously on a much bigger stage, I think express

the way a lot of us in a lot of us women who work in my industry feel was pretty cool and it was

funny. And, you know, I joke about it and I know I started off by talking about like men on the

internet, but it's also not indicative of most of the male sports fans I interact with in the wild

who are like amazing and complimentary and come to my shows and listen to my podcast. So there's

kind of two sides of it, right? Like joking about the angry ones on the internet while also being

aware that actually like most of them are pretty cool with it and most of them give us great feedback.

Now, one of the things all of your fans, including me love about you, is the very intelligent,

very funny way you respond to certain men who share their problems seeing you on their screens.

Somebody even call it an exercise in fuck around and find out. Would you say that's a fair assessment?

I feel like I was joking with you before like I try to resist

showing them or responding I guess and then eventually the demons on my shoulders outweigh the

angels because it's like a mixed bag, right? Like you don't want to give too much

than what they're looking for. Yeah, because most do buy started it. Yeah.

I think for me though and like this is like sometimes I'll because I get called DI probably 100

times a day. Every now and then I'll respond not one yeah no I'm not gonna lie and say it doesn't

feel good it does, but also I want all the other people who get called DI 100 times a day to see it

and to see that how stupid it is and how it's universal for all of us who are not, you know,

who are minorities in these spaces and I think sometimes the best way to conquer it is by making

fun of it. So I do want kind of to show that to people how silly it is. Well, so I think that if

you're going to be what I would describe as hateful if you're going to use that as like a dig at

someone if you're going to be hateful because you couldn't do that then sometimes you deserve to

be smacked down. But in honor of women's history month I actually thought we bring back our segment

fuck around and find out and we take a look at a couple times some Twitter bros. Well they

fucked around and you promptly let them find out. So this is the first one. This first one's a

classic. Some dumbass wrote. Women shouldn't be allowed to talk sports. This DIY higher

brainless clueless her takes her dog shit to which you replied DIY higher. That's a quote.

That's a quote right there. Is this one of your favorites? I do like the ones where you don't

actually even have to use your own words to clap back. You can just use theirs. So I will say I do

enjoy that aspect of it. Do it yourself indeed. I also have found on the internet that it is

often the case that the people who are most critical of other people for not having English as a

first language perhaps or wanting to respect those who don't often have the worst command of

the English language itself. It just seems like that that's like a circle that depend diagram.

So I do enjoy that aspect of Twitter in particular. Next up maybe one of my favorites.

Someone said at mean of times you are definitely gaining weight and you replied yeah that's what

happens when you're 38 weeks pregnant. It is yeah I mean strange but true fact the craziest part

about this is is that it's not like yeah that's what happens when you're pregnant or that's what

happens when you're 20 weeks pregnant you were 38 weeks pregnant. That's insane. That's pretty damn

pregnant. Yeah you know what I actually worked so I was working. I was not I must have been on

to because I think I induced I worked the day before I induced. So from home from home. I just

you know waddled upstairs. That's what you do when you're 38 weeks pregnant. Plop down in front of

my gave takes on it was it was the NFL season. He was born in NFL season. It was like week four

and then waddled downstairs, went to the hospital and gave birth. So I think I probably wrote that

that week when I was truly out of fucks to give. But I also Kylie like didn't like announce or

reveal I was pregnant. I think until I was like in my late definitely in my third trimester. So

there was a while where I'm sure a lot of my colleagues were just like she's she's gained some weight.

But they had the social wear with all to not say you would definitely not say you've gained weight

on air. Also they probably noticed I was wearing like weird 90s style blazers a lot. Yeah

number three this last tweet is a classic someone tweeted something I'm assuming you hear a lot

can someone remind all of us how much football Mina has played to which you expertly replied

taken as many snaps in the league as you champ. Let me just first of all calling this individual

champ. Well done. Thank you. Champ chief and boss are my three go twos.

I think that the have you didn't play thing is like I so value the playing experience of my

colleagues who are like bring such a different um I mean it's it obviously there's a million

things that that enables them to bring to the the studio show element. But there's a lot of stuff

I I truly can never speak on because of it. But they also understand that for those of us

student play we can bring something different as well. And so it's crazy to think that these men

on the internet are like no I shouldn't listen to you. And meanwhile I live with a guy who played in

the league for 13 years. Pretty good player. And he was he was fine. But he he I always say is like

a he was always a very intellectual player. And he loves your take. So like that's that's the

balance you're talking about here of like everybody else can sit down. Well I this again very

kind and I feel like I can't even look at the camera when we say that. But um I do think there's

something instructive in it for all of us because we all now have these exposure to opinions from

more people than I think humans were ever supposed to hear from. And it's weird because the internet

flattens those opinions with the opinions of the people we should be listening to right. It's

very easy for me to think that's so cool to hear that. But also you know rich dolphins fan 69 told

me that I'm the C word and should go back in the kitchen and in my dumb brain and I think all of

our brains kind of equalize those. And we have to train them to not do that. And that's hard. It's

hard right. Like we're not. Yes. We're all now like restaurants on Yelp. It's a it's a deep dark hole.

Yeah. Well I would that's it for fun around and find out because if we kept going we'd be here forever

if we really wanted to talk about all the times that you've expertly owned someone on the internet.

So well done. Thank you for bringing back that segment. It's been a while and we needed it. Thank you.

Now I am a big Eagles fan. Yeah. For a lot of reasons. Yeah. And we're really we're kind of

an Eagles podcast around here. Okay. Sometimes chiefs. Uncle Trap. Go on, Uncle Trap.

But I would just I would just like some insight on some bird's questions.

I have not caught much of the combine coverage. So I'm going to start here.

What prospects have caught your attention? Keep in mind, I'm going to send this straight to the Eagles for not.

Well, first of all, I am I'm married into an Eagles family. So I don't know if you know that my

Azure smart woman in laws insane terrifying like the WI key callers. The call is coming from inside

the house here. So much so like literally when some of the down times this season my mother-in-law

when she came for Christmas, the first thing she said to me before, where's my grandson was,

were the shame of the NFL? Keep in mind, the Eagles were like eight and two at the time. So that's

yeah, we were down on ourselves. That's what I'm dealing with personally. So I know the plight,

I'm very aware of it. A lot of really exciting players of the combine. I actually just mentioned

the Oregon Titan Kenyans to Deek who was like who broke the 40 record for Titans, which is insane.

I thought would be a great Eagle. I don't know if he'll be there when you're picking. I think it's

22, 22 or 23, but to me he would be an awesome, awesome addition corner. There's a couple corners

who are exciting. I think that's a position that was kind of much maligned. The second corner

spot in Philadelphia. So that's something. But you know this from your household and from the fandom,

Eagles love drafting in the trenches. So we can talk about the corners and the receivers,

the Titans, but it seems like more often and not especially picking where they are. I wouldn't be

surprised if they go off as a defensive line. So I'll still watch football games and I watched

the line first. And so like someone will break out. It's the right way to watch the game.

I it's fascinating to me. And so much so that like I always tell people when my husband was so

playing, he would it after like a tough game or he would he would have a good run or something

like that. And he would get in the car and he'd be like, what'd you think? And I'd be like

that one poll was great, but wow. So that's so there's this great book about football for anyone

who wants to learn about the game called Take Your Eye of the Ball. It's basically like you know

when you're watching the game, take your eye off the ball and actually focus on the trenches.

And it's a really hard to learn how to watch football the way you're describing. But if you do,

you can learn so much about what's actually happening in the game. It's it's made me appreciate

not only the offensive line, but also the running backs. Yes. Because the guys who like a

Ligeret Blunt and Jay and Jay the Super Bowl 52, the speed at which they would cross the line

of scrimmage. Yeah. Was they were like a Mac truck. You were not stopping them. And so watching

O line block and make a hole for them. Yeah. And then seeing them hit that hole at the speed

that they were was like, I can't describe the feeling. It was it was the real thing. That's awesome.

They they broadcast a few games with the camera. I forgot Skycam. They don't do it often where they

would show it from behind. And which is we watch tape. You see the all 22 view and then you see

the end zone view. And I thought to myself, if they just showed games this way, people are all

offensive linemen would be celebrities because you actually see everything from when you're

watching it from behind, you can see everything that goes into like a seven yard counter run and

why it's such a freaking miracle. Yep. Well, back to the combine now that we've gone on a

like a fair of offensive line. Unlike you, I'm I'm far from an expert on that. I'm also far

from an expert on parenting, but I'm going to ask this anyway. If there was some kind of parenting

combine, what would be your best event? Oh, my best event. Um, that's a great question. So my

son is two and a half right now. And I'm really good at getting him to eat. And it's all through

the powers of distraction, which is probably bad parenting because you probably you're supposed to

like actually teach them to like, I don't know, I'm really good at like, hey, look over here, boom,

salmon in your mouth. Love it. Like at restaurants, I can get him to eat a full plate of food.

I think distraction generally like, you know, being two and a half and I'd love your advice on

just is he always going to be this way? Yes.

Isn't that exciting? What happened?

He used to be so chill. Yeah. Um, I will say I've heard word on the street is that boys are different.

With energy at this age, the energy is crazy. Yeah. There's a number of times where we've been

sitting on a Saturday morning and my three older are sitting at the table coloring. And I think to

myself, boys would never never know ever. So two and a half, he walks into a room with a rest like

a nice restaurant or, you know, a library. And he literally, you can see his eyes casing the joint

for things to jump on and jump off and danger. It's like a, like, just drawn to danger.

But anyways, I am good at, I'm not good at stopping that, but I'm good at like when he is upset or

he's like, lock, you know, they lock in on stuff. I'm good at like, changing his, being like,

hey, go here, like, how about this? Try this. I'm good at coming up with alternatives, which I

realize with a two year old, all your whole like 90% of my energy is just towards giving him the

illusion of choice. Yes. Mm hmm. I know that 1000% know that. So I'm good at that. I don't know if

that's a very good skill. Thank you. That's a very good skill because sometimes I just let like,

let the the meltdown take over and I'm just like, you know what? You look like you need a minute.

Just, and I'm going to give it to you. Just live with this, live in this moment. I'm going to let

you have this and then we're going to move on when you're done. I need to be more comfortable with

that, I think, like because, well, you know, at any given point with four kids in our house,

there's always at least one who's if not actively crying on the verge. So I will say they are at

a lovely age where like our third yesterday got upset and our second was like, how can I help you?

Oh, my God. And I was like, that was cute. That's incredible. First of all, cute. Second, love that

you said that. That was very nice way to approach your sister. And of course, she proceeded to try and

kick her in the face. That's that was we weren't focusing on that because that wasn't the intention.

You got it. What was what would your worst event be? Oh, my God.

Great question. Stopping the launch off of high places. I can't physically restrain. He's

stronger than me. Yeah. Yes. Like, how is that even there? I don't know what is it's like an

ant where they can lift like a hundred times their butt. Like, I'll try to move him. And I'm like,

what is happening here? If you like, turn yourself into a bricks somehow. Oh, see mine go jello.

Oh, just like, yep, mine go jello. And actually, I'll go to pick them up and their arms actually.

I don't know how they do it, but they like relax their ribcage. And I can no longer. It's funny.

I would say that my worst event would probably be getting them to eat their food. Really? It's

where my husband and I have like one of our one of our many parenting complimentary moments. Yeah.

Of like where I'm like, I made the food. I don't know what you want me to do. It's not

disgusting. You ate it last week and you ate the whole bowl. And my husband's like, well,

that looks delicious. And he's like, he saw his patients. Yeah. My husband makes the food. So

I think it's the, there you go. Give him like a adult-sized plate. And I'm like,

ambitious. And he also will just be like, oh, he we tried. I'm like, he has to eat. I have to

he has to eat his food. That's what Jason does. I'm like, I'm like, well, you know what? They'll

eat when they're hungry. And he's like, no, you'll eat what's on your plate. Yeah. But I can be

gentle about it. And I'm like, what's going to happen? Yeah. Okay. You do it.

Parenting such an underrated aspect of marriage. Like when you figure out, you know, it's like,

oh, you're, you have, you have like, you can beat press, but I can beat zone. And maybe, you know,

it's just like, oh, yeah, you don't know until it happens. And we have, it's crazy how you settle

into your roles without even talking about it. Yes. First, sure. You, you definitely figure out

on the run. Like on your, yes. You're doing it on the fly. You're figuring it out. But once you

settle in, it's lovely because it really is. There are times where I'm like, I don't have a stitch

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asking the biggest question of them all. What can you tell us about why Dallas will be awful

for another season? First of all, the way my mother-in-law talks about the cowboy, I didn't realize

this until I married into the family is how serious we are. Let me tell you. It is equally like

go birds and fuck Dallas are the mode. They have to be the most common phrase in the

photography area. Also, the perceived slides. Maybe that's the strongest quality of Eagles fans

is like the sensitivity to Percy. But we'll be watching a game with an announcer, and she'll be

mad because Chris Collins was like complimentary of Dak Prescott eight years ago.

Dallas, defense still very bad. Not to pander. Let me tell you, you let your mother-in-law know

if she needs someone to talk some shit with about the birds, you send her my way. There have been

times where I speak of WIP eight. There have been times where I have literally, my dad has an old

school radio that he will bring out in our living room to play WIP to listen to Mike Quick and

Merrill Reese call the game so that he can mute the television. And the worst part about it is

in my husband, well, you know, Mr. Joe Buck is now a co-worker. Lovely, lovely man. Delightful.

Charming. I'm still pissed about it. He was like Voldemort in our house. When Joe Buck was going

to call a game, you better get out the radio. Why are Eagles fans so angry about announcers? I

never encountered a fan base. They're biased, Mina. I don't know.

They're all here talking about Dak Prescott and talking about how great the Dallas defense is

doing against the Eagles offense. Or just over here living in reality while they're living in

delusion. And you know, it just gets under your skin. It's like, y'all have a lot. You've been

to so many Superboys last 10 years. Like you're so successful. I just don't understand this well

of anger and resentment when you have so much success. No, no, always. We could literally,

we could have the chief's Super Bowl record in the last 10 years. And we would still be pissed.

That's how we'd be pissed. Some would argue. That's how you can tell the true great ones.

Can they find the chip on their shoulder when it shouldn't exist? It's a skill. Yeah.

Brady was famously very good at this. Tom Brady would be, you know, even when he won

multiple Super Bowls and was he'd still be like, oh, this guy said a negative thing about me eight

years ago on the TV show and, you know, whatever. Yes. It's a go. I mean, speaking of Tom Brady,

he lost that Super Bowl. Speaking of Tom Brady. He did lose that. Yeah. I will tell you the number

of times I said 4133 in San Francisco this year because Pat's fans were just being Pat's fans.

And I was like, no, guys, we're good. We're good. 4133.

Do any Patriots fans listen to this podcast, do you think? I definitely. And to that,

might say 4133. Yep. Sorry. I can't help myself. Now, I'd love to talk to even more about

motherhood. We'll shift gears because you are constantly posting very funny stuff about it.

One of my favorite posts of yours was when you shared the scouting report of your son

when he was seven months old. Queen Emma, we have the clip, I think. He is, and then I'm 94%

percentile size. He is a little over seven months. I think he weighs over maybe 25 pounds now.

He's got, as you've seen, enormous, enormous legs conscious, really. So those are the strengths,

I would say. He's somewhat coachable. Sleep training took about two weeks and mostly stocked.

There's been a couple of progressions. This is perfect. This is so good. Now, this was when he was

seven months old. You said yourself, he's two and a half now. So, so how are we feeling about that

scouting report? Is it holding up? It holds up. The coachability may be not so much. This is what

every team wrestles with the combine, right? Like, what are the intangibles? Can we get him to follow

directions? How does he take to it? He's, I've learned since learned. And this would be, by the way,

for NFL teams, this is like the worst possible thing you can be. He's like an independent thinker. Sure.

He's very, just like, I'm going to do things my way. He's slimmed down a little bit, though,

I will say, because when he was, he was very big. Part of the reason I induced was he was trending

so big. My doctor was like, if it were me, it was a woman. I was like, I'm going to listen to you.

Whatever you say after that, I'm doing it. Yeah. I was like, you know what? I'm not, I'm not

looking up to push out. And I was gigantic. I was nine over nine pounds as a baby. So they say

that. So did you do the extra size scan at like 32 weeks or something? Yes. All of that. All the

size scans. And it was like, as well as like, all right, you know, I'm not trying to do what, see

what happens. But so when I, he was very big at first. And I remember showing his picture to Jeff

Saturday, who is another legendary center who works at ESPN, former. And the first thing he said

when he saw the picture, my son was Mayna put that boy as hand in the dirt immediately, which

means he thought he should play in the offensive line. But he slimmed out a little bit. And I think

that that's what happens, right? They kind of when they start walking. They get up right and start

walking. And all of a sudden, the muscle starts forming a little bit more in the tub. The

tub goes away. I know. And I'm just looking at the pictures of his legs from when he was a baby.

I just want to grab them and you want to squeeze them again. Our youngest, like I said, she's about

to be a year old at the end of March. She is currently wearing 18 to 24 month clothing.

And not super thick, sadly enough, because I do love. I love that baby thighs. I love chunky baby

thighs so much. But she is not super thick. She's just long as can be.

So I do know about some ridiculous percentiles. Well, babies are easy to like when my friends

have tall toddlers, I'm like, whoop, I'm like, dang it. The weight distribution makes them easy

to carry. My son is like a chicken nugget. Like he is just dense. And I think that like that's,

I know I was talking about how I got like literally when I lift him up, compared to even if it's a

toddler who weighs the same, but it's longer. I find them easier to hold.

It's so funny when you say dense because our second is dense and has been dense since the

minute she came out, they weighed her on the little like newborn bassinet. Three different

times, the third times they removed the third time they removed all the blankets because we were all

like, there's no way she's that heavy. How heavy was she? She was only eight pounds, 13 ounces,

I think, but she looked, she looked smaller than our first and our first was like eight, six

or something. And it was just one of those moments where we're like, there's no way she's that heavy.

She's been dense her whole life. Now you drop her. It sounds like if she falls off the back of the

couch, she did it just last night. It sounds like a grown man hit the floor. It is insane. It's

insane. She will be, she will be our toughest athlete, I would think. I'd also like to talk about

some of the more humbling or overly honest things that my girls have said to me. Oh god.

I'm wondering if your son has said anything that we would classify as overly honest. I'll give you

an example. I not so recently have been told, well, I mean, it wasn't that long ago. Let's be real.

I was getting dressed and one of my children said, that's nice. Your stomach is squishy. I said,

thank you so much. That's really kind of you. There was another time where my child said,

dad's boobs are big. But your boobs are tall. So do with that, which will take it out both of you

with one swing, by the way. Two birds, one stone, and that's many. Oh god. My husband taught him how to

do this, which is he says mama farted. Oh, sometimes we'll be out in public and like my shoe will

squeak and he'll be like, attention. She farted and everyone looks and I'm like, I didn't.

It was my show. It's not what happened. Classic. Why are you blowing up my spot? Why do you have to

announce that to the world? That would be the worst thing he does to me right now. It's nice to know

that it two and a half. He's just going full go on it because I do think that we were a

fart's or funny household. In some households, I grew up finding out are not a fart's or funny

household. That's not the life we were meant to live. So we have a lot of like, like someone will fart,

a child will fart in one room and say, dad did it. They did that yesterday. Dad's not even in the

state. He's not even in the same state. And they're out here trying to blame dad for farts.

He knows it's funny because he says it and then he laughs like a little like, of course, he

doesn't laugh to him. Sure. Yeah. I love that so much. Well, I do also want to bring up you said,

it's cool that my son and millions of other sons are turning on the TV and I and think it's

normal for a woman to be talking about football behind a desk. This is, I find to be so important.

So we go from farts or funny to how important this kind is because it's, I always talk to people

and I'm going to tell you the same thing. Raising four girls, it is so special to get to talk to

women like yourself who have become experts and have put themselves in a position to be an

outstanding role model for the four girls that we are raising, knowing that they can look at what

you're doing and understand that if they want to grow up and be intelligent, beautiful women who

talk about football, that they can do that because you're showing them that that is the world that

they get to grow up and that you have paved the way and that they can do what you've done.

So that is so special and I appreciate that you are that role model.

But for you to bring up that sons are also doing the same thing is so special because

shouldn't that be how we're raising boys? I hope so. First of all, it's very sweet of you to say

that about your daughters and people always ask me, did you want to do what you do growing up?

And I always say no because it never even occurred to me that it was a thing I could do.

So I really hope, girls see Doss on TV and all of the women who work in NFL media right now and

and it just even occurs to them as a possibility. It is something that's really meaningful to me.

But as far as boys who already knew it was a possibility.

I just think that it's nice to see it normalized and we started off by talking about how important it

is to have the support and both behind the scenes. But I would also say on camera of my male colleagues

because when a young boy turns on ESPN, he doesn't just see me talking about football.

He sees men listening and I think that is as powerful as anything I'll say and it's something

that I think not just in sports but to have that modeled and all walks of public life for young men

is really really really really helpful the image of it alone. So I'm so grateful to my colleagues

for doing that for me because I think it is so impactful in ways. Maybe they don't even appreciate it.

That's really special. It's so that's such a great point to know that that image of

you sitting on a panel of your peers and you guys showing each other in the mutual

respect of listening to the points and having a pointed conversation is an example that

really everyone should be able to enjoy and get something from. Thank you so much for coming

on today. I really appreciate it. Make sure you subscribe to the Mina Kheim Show featuring Lenny

and watch her where she rightfully belongs all over your screens on ESPN. Thank you.

Thank you. This is a ton of fun. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find

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