Lamar Odom on Kobe's Message From the Afterlife, Khloe Kardashian & Why the Lakers Are Losing

I had a dream about Kobe.

It's how you know it was a dream.

We having a shooting contest, but Billy Christy was hosting it.

So, you know, I'm, you know, I'm dreaming, you know what I'm saying?

And he looked back at me and said, hello.

After life is not what people make it up to be.

What's up, guys? Missed exact here. Welcome back to episode 15 of Double Coverage.

Today, I'm joined by LA legend.

No, no, it's too much.

Two-time champion, former NBA six man of the year.

That's a fact.

My guy, Mr. Lamar Odom, hello.

How you doing, bro?

What's good?

I'm chilling, man.

LA legend's fair.

I've walked around doing LA.

Everyone recognizes you pretty much.

I don't know if that makes you a lady.

You play with Kobe.

I did play with Kobe.

You helped get him two of championships, you know?

Yeah, it's the best of my ability.

Yeah.

And you want to learn a lot from do, bro.

Definitely learn a lot from do.

If you were in the trenches with Kobe, I think you're a legend.

That's...

I hear that.

I get that.

Bill Jackson, the whole nine yards.

Yeah.

Yeah, I got the whole zen in me.

Yeah.

The whole lesson.

I learned how to, um, manifest and meditate.

You know, if you got 12 or 15 young men,

meditating toward the sorrow, saying, go,

you've seen the results.

Meditation is like a form of prayer, right?

So, um,

um, definitely learned a lot from Phil and, and, and being.

We were talking about it earlier, but you got thrown into

the spotlight, freshman basketball, such a young age.

You were there at the first game played.

It's, I mean, we're a little bit right by Staples Center now,

crypto arena.

I was 19.

Yeah, and 99.

So, matter of fact, my, um,

my, my number one boost at UNLV,

he was friends with a, um,

with a guy that was in the still business.

And, um, this was 1997.

And he says, look, tomorrow, I want to serve these blueprints.

I got for this building.

I'm about to build.

They want to call it Staples Center.

And I wound up, you know, um, having a good game in my first game.

I don't know if we want to lose, but I lost a lot of games with the Clippers.

Yeah.

And, um,

yeah, I lost a lot of games with the Clippers.

And I was always like looking over, um,

thinking about how I'll be playing on the other side.

And then, you know, I played one year with Miami.

And then my agent gave me a call and

I had to okay the trade to come here.

Um, back to LA.

But that was an easy choice for me because there's actually a little signing bonus.

I knew I was going to be playing with being Bryant,

who I've known before the NBA.

And, um,

I was going to be able to ride his coach tell a little bit

play basketball at the highest level.

You know, competing against the best.

And, um, try to bust their ass because, you know, everybody,

you know, the lake is a purple and gold.

And I was jerseys popular and we got to probably the best city.

And NBA, according to what you want to do.

How you want to go out?

Um,

yeah, and it was a ride that I'll never forget.

Absolutely. The only thing people, I think, really come back to the

little Clippers teams is Donald Sterling.

That's basically, he was a nut.

Yeah, he was a nut.

Um,

yeah, I pray for people who have that mindset.

Um, the mentality, I think he got in trouble for using the N word.

Yeah, so the team, yeah.

And, um, that's too bad, you know,

he got way too much money to think like that.

If you go down Wilshire Boulevard, all you see is

Donald Sterling buildings, Donald Sterling this, Donald Sterling that.

We had a really strong season with Miami.

I mean, that was a pretty blockbuster trade.

I mean, you're involved Shaq.

Yeah, me and the two other players.

Yeah, Chris, Karam Butler and Brian Graham, you were the,

you were the centerpiece, at least for what the Lakers were acquiring.

Is that a compliment that you're involved in a trade for Shaq?

I mean, I think so.

If you're looking at it like, uh, you know, what I mean,

that Shaq, he was dominant.

Yeah, I mean, that's diesel.

But I mean, you could consider it, you know, sometimes I wonder, um,

you know, what if I would have got three or four more years with the Wayne Way,

what could happen in that beautiful city?

Um,

much, you know, you never know what's going to happen in life.

All we could do is make the best of it.

And, um, you know, LA always had

open arms for me and treated me well because of the way I performed with the Clippers.

But, um, even, you know, even in my greatest times with the Clippers,

you know, sometimes I feel

uh, a little regret to the people, you know, in LA because I was cutting them short.

You know, I couldn't be myself if I was,

you know, um, running home, you know, so I think about all the plays I could have made,

or should have made, or, you know, but, you know, that time has passed and it's time for me to move

on and move forward and live my best life now as, as we speak.

You had that point forward bill that we see all over the NBA today.

Six nine with a handle can pass and shoot.

Yeah, and I think, you know, that was a blessing from God to be able to be my height.

And, um, still maintain his guard attributes.

Almost always the way I played basketball through the eyes of a point guard.

No matter what position I played,

I was, um, you know, really blessed to pick up on the game and

understand it and have an high IQ.

You know, I basically know the responsibility for every position on the court.

Um, because I played him and I played hard.

And, um, it was all a learning experience.

But being from New York City, you know, if you don't handle the ball,

you're going to have no shakes in your game.

And I remember I went to high school.

I was, I thought the high school, I was six three.

And my sophomore season, I was six seven.

So, yeah, that, I mean, a lot of people would have probably changed their game

because of that.

But in the strength of my game was my height and my, um, my hand, do I as they call it.

And my ability to make a play.

But my ability to make a play for others, you know,

and that started in the park, you know, to get on the court.

I was, I was 10.

I was five, 10.

And I was, you know, and I was playing, I was, I was playing 15 and under.

I hold for you 10.

And I was five, 10 and I was 10 and so.

And I remember, I remember going to the park and, you know,

lying about my age, telling everybody I was 12, that was just to get on the court.

But, um, you know, once I got on the court, I earned respect.

Now, I think it was because I understood the science of basketball.

You know, it's not rocket science, but there's a science to it.

And, um, that's what I was trying to, you know, perfect or be the best at

having an all-around game.

I think it, I think we talked about handling it, especially being a big man in the NBA.

I think I probably had to be, have you considered me a big man, probably at the end?

I probably was the, I don't want to, my own home, but I don't know a big man that was using his,

now, shaking ability to make his defender move so he can go straight.

So, I guess you could probably say I'm going to have the big man have the best hand who

probably ever in the NBA. Like you said, I see a lot of, you know, see a lot of six, nine,

six, ten guys and they're giving the ball and letting them do their thing.

And, um, I can say I, I can say I see myself in all of those guys, just a little bit.

Yeah, position was basketball today. I mean, there's one guy who's seven-foot-five and does it?

Yeah, he wouldn't be one, all right? Yeah.

I'm pretty sure he probably, you know, took some of them all to mind his book.

Yeah, but he's special.

Yeah, he's, I mean, if he says healthy is, is there anything stopping him from just being the

best ever? I mean, I, well, if he's one person that I will pay to watch right now is him.

Um, when his games come on, I know there's always fun in TV.

So I always say because how he plays and who he plays for.

Can you tell me what you're going to play the right way?

Even though I think he's floating a little bit out to the three-point line a little bit, but,

you know, that's the, the Steph Curry curse. His greatness, you know, hurt the game.

Um, it was not his fault, but I know if I get a kid right now 10 years old,

eight years old, nine years old from wherever, and I give him a basketball and we go to the park,

he probably going to shoot the ball from the first half of the four years I'm saying.

And, you know, that's due to Steph Curry's greatness.

He, he was amazing. He's amazing still.

And, uh, I hope kids, you know, just not learning from him, you know, shooting.

I hope they watch how he moves without the basketball.

That's where he said the other day. He's like, if you're a kid playing basketball and you're

calling for the ball, like, that's whack. Yeah. I hope that he learns, you know, they learn that

part of the game. That's another science part of the game. And how he takes care of his body and

just the conditioning it takes. He's 37 years old running around the court all again. I mean,

no one does more than him. No. I mean, the NBA is really kind of hard for me to watch.

Um, like a random game. Everybody played the same way. Yeah.

Like how they're seeing dribble handoff to a pick and roll.

No format. But, you know, that's the way the game is.

It's got to change real time, right? Yeah, I think they're changing their times.

I mean, triangle offense when 10 NBA championships.

What made Phil so special? Was it the system? The triangle offense?

Was it his ability to manage personalities? Well, I think, I think, um,

you know, every coach, I think, to be successful. That's one of the things that you have to,

you know, learn the most, you know, have the most common sense of you got, you know,

12 or 15 guys in the team and locker room and managing personalities is very important.

You know, Phil used to give us a book, you know, books before the season. He expected you to read it.

And his mental approach, like I was telling you before, you know, we meditated together as a team.

Meditation is a form of prayer. And it was really strong.

And, you know, it definitely brought us together. And it was something that a lot of us heard,

but we didn't really expect it until we got in, got in it. Yeah.

And it made a lot of sense when you think about it though. And he used to bring a special,

a specialist, a mindful specialist to come, to come teach us manifestation and meditation

right around play of time. His name was George Mumford. I think he got some books out too,

so if you want to get a good book, try to exercise your brain, exercise your mind.

He was a good guy. And it showed, you know, we won one game seven being a long time rivals right

across the street. And that was a beautiful night. Because it's, I mean, first he manages

Rodman, Pippin, Jordan, all together. Then he goes to LA, right lights, our test.

I mean, those are strong personalities. There's crazy stuff going on too. Like,

you're filming a reality show. Later on, I mean, Kobe is Kobe. Yeah, I'm probably the only

person in the sports figure that was able to film a successful reality show while in season.

That was the year I won six-minute a year. And some people be thinking things are, you know,

unattainable that you can't do them. But with the support of the Lakers and Gene and Dr. Bus,

God bless the day. They okayed it. And I was able to pull it off. The cameras was always rolling.

You know, from Tom's wake up to practice to I'm ending my night. And it was worthwhile.

I think my, you know, my connection with that family still gives me some,

um, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Some social notably, you know, even to this day.

And that was a blessing as well. Absolutely. Do you think it may motivate you a little bit more?

I think so. Just because people thought that I couldn't do it or people were probably

expecting me to, you know, to fail for me to fall off a little bit on the court. So we kind of,

kept a fire lit under my ass. And, yeah, you know, the fire that I always had to play basketball,

I knew, and especially in LA, um, strong media. Almost as strong as New York. I didn't want to

get ripped, you know, looking up the paper every day, like, you know, give up the show or whatever,

people may say, um, they definitely acted as if I had another coach, basically. It definitely

pushed me in the right way. But no matter what the coaching style is or who's coaching,

I think because I was raised, I'm being able to adapt. I like to listen, I love to learn,

and I'm not going to be disrespectful, not going to be disrespectful, especially when somebody is

trying to make me or his team better. You know, I hear a lot of the, um, you know, the generation

now, they got the bad reputation for being uncoachable. And I can say to all those young guys,

like, you're probably good, but, you know, a margin, I can say Kobe Bryant was probably the best

generation, a generational player. I'm a margin. You know, um, I mean, so he had 81 points.

Now in game, when is one season? Three, two, one, we win. I had nine of them in one season.

And, uh, I remember this ninth one, we were in Milwaukee. And I remember him being on the back

of the bus, saying right next to me and Derek Fisher. And you know how, you know, sometimes after

a game, your adrenaline is still running, it was flowing. And he was just mumbling, I'm better than Mike.

I'm better than Mike. I was looking at Mike, he bugging. But, you know, that's how competitive he was,

because a lot of players, that was a race that they weren't going to run, even when they had to start.

And, you know, from playing with them and, and being in the trenches with them, like you said,

you know, he made that a goal. And so if a lot of people say he even came close to it.

And I think you see me in this play, I think the world's in this play. I was, I was talking to my

friend about this other day, like, you know, the on the court responsibility, I'm playing the L.A.

And I could say showing up every night, every night, no matter what, he gave these people their

money's worth. I mean, even his last game. Yeah, 60. Even when he hurt himself, I couldn't play no more.

Hit the free throws. Yeah, the kill is tendon injury.

You know, and wherever he at, he's not too far away. I think his sneaker might be the most worn sneaker

in the NBA. Yeah. And we all know how popular Jordan sneakers were. So I could imagine who would be

going on if he was still here. What was your relationship like with him off the court? Amazing.

It was cool. I was like, you know, there was one book that I was reading. And I think it was his book.

Might have been his book. And he called me the glue. I don't think that was the glue on the court.

I think it was more like the glue, like the locker room. You know what I mean? I make sure everybody

was laughing and good mood. Yeah. You know, me just being myself, um, seem to ease people.

You know, because he was always, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, at nine thirty, I been in the morning

before. I don't know if ever seen his clip, but we about to jump bowl and practice. And he just

elbow shots of weird teaching the chest like his own. Um, and I think we all kind of, um,

adapted to that mentality a little bit. And he was the guy who always expected the best out of his

teammates. Didn't accept anything less. That's the mother mentality. Yeah. You know, because that's how

he was living for real. And, uh, you know, he put it out, you know, all the time, um, you know,

playing with him, you know, you going to arena, you confident just because he's with you. Yeah.

And um, that definitely made us all better and alert. And, uh, bonded us, you know, probably

those championship teams probably bonded this forever. We got a bond that's looking to be broken.

Um, shout out to anybody that was on my team. And at those times, we don't really see each other

much, but they always do my heart and the praise and the mind. Absolutely. He ever get in your case

about the candy or anything. No, no, we never really bumped heads about anything. If we

bumped heads, it was about a play, you know, I mean, that, you know, maybe I wasn't paying attention

or I wasn't dealing with an execute or, um, but no, nobody know. That was my thing.

No, that was like the thing. When you first run the Kardashians, I remember, like, they would

show the cutaways where you with all your candies. Yeah. My ex-wife, I had a whole, I had a

hope my own man cave. And it was, it was full of candy. And I love candy to this day.

But, you know, learning something from the, from the, from my rehab stand, I'm like,

like five points away from being diabetic. And I gotta watch my pop tart intake.

What pop tart flavor you go for? Every one of them. They got a new one called banana bread.

It's really good. What was your peak candy intake? Like, how much were you eating?

No, I mean, I can't even really, man. My man, Matt, who's a take care of me, he was like my man.

Shout out to Matt Anthony McNair, another New York City basketball legend. But, I mean,

I just bags everything. Because you can never have enough candy, you know, me at that point

in my life. But I got, I got to watch that now. I don't want to bite chopping my foot off.

You're not burning as many calories. Yeah, because I want to eat candy. I don't mean no sense.

No, definitely not. Yeah. You talk about, we also talk about wanting to move past that, the what ifs,

the, you know, what could I've done different, but knowing that, you know, only thing you can do

is continue to move forward. Yeah. Does that take a while? Well, it's like, you know, if you have

a, if you're addict and you practice sobriety, it's, you know, day to day. Yeah. Right.

And so I guess that's like my outlook in life. Anything I want to do, you know, it's really

and it's God's plans, right? And his time, you know, some things that we might want, you know,

it's been millionaires because of social media and everything they make millions of dollars

a year. But, you know, you can still keep to the same plan, but God might say you have to make 10

years or 20 years. But I think as long as you stay focused and, you know, keep you creative first,

you know, anything is possible. You said it's hard for you to watch some basketball games,

but what else are you watching at home? Any other sports, TV shows, movies,

talks about Moses? Yeah. And it's funny because I was watching Netflix other than like, damn,

like it's so much to pick from. Yeah. And, you know, like even if I'm watching TV,

I like to watch something that maybe I'm a learn from a little bit or, you know, I still don't know

how to cook, but I don't know. I just try to watch stuff like a learn from. I love the ID channel too,

but you know, I'm not trying to learn how to kill nobody or anything like that, but yeah, I like

the ID channel as well too. I don't know. I just, I like TV, of course, I like sports,

baseball seasons, but they're back around. I can't wait. We wanted a Dodgers game. Of course.

We got our guy, Dave Roberts. Who's Dave Roberts? The manager. Okay. Yeah, he's dope. Yeah, he's the man. Yeah.

He is dope. But that, um, I don't know, where's the time? Japan. Yeah. He's Japanese to the manager.

You know that? I don't know that he's half Japanese, half black half Japanese. Okay, I can see that.

So that's why they get all the, yeah, I can see that. It's kind of crazy.

Well, Tony is a, a beast. And he's one of the best to watch. I mean,

control the game from the mound. Then you go hit three, four months like he did this past season.

It's definitely inspiring watching him play baseball. Yeah, he plays hard too.

Um, he's in the great market. They play him well. And he does, uh, he's making a, um,

he's inspiring him probably to a lot of, I mean, I'm an adult and watching him as playing

his inspiration. So I can imagine being a, a little leaker, you know, watching him play in

players like that. Don't really come around a lot. And I just hope never. Yeah, I just hope

that everybody's soaking it in. We're not one in 10 billion. It's number 17, right? Yeah.

I hope everybody is soaking it in and, um, buying old Tony jerseys, buying number 17 jerseys.

I know he gave me a lot of love in LA. Um, yeah, but he's definitely inspirational.

You believe that it was his translator gambling or do you think it was him? I don't know.

Oh, that's another thing with sports starting now. I'm trying not to follow that because, um,

I don't think sports gambling was as big when I was playing. No. And, um,

you know, even for a guy that has a 200 million dollar contract, you know, you put it in his face

like that. He can make a extra, you know, but sports gambling really don't stop. There's no

peak on how you can go. Yeah. And, um, I just hope that old leagues have that under control.

Doesn't seem like they do. I mean, you can't really. You got NBA coaches getting arrested,

players, give it to the people. Yeah. The mafia's involved. So much where everybody know the mafia

has something to do with gambling. And then you add to sports. I just hope it don't carry over to

a guy's performance. You never gotten off for the throw a game, even high school. Nothing. No.

Honestly, I can say no. That's good. And I always play on a high level and kind of respect the game

too much to even entertain anything. Yeah. But, um, you know, some of these dudes, you know, they train their

hardest and give their heart to a game, give their put all in and a game, all their heart into a game.

And I hope to see the game, you know, get stained by a player making a bad decision

to fatten his pockets a little bit. Yeah. You know, I hope the league, you know, they should

try to do something about that. All the leagues. The Lakers are real rocky right now. You don't play on

defense. Now, I'm playing on defense. I don't know if they have to make a, um,

um, move. I don't know if it's coach or I don't know if it's players, but the effort and the

energy is not there every night. And, you know, everybody can score the ball. Nobody won't defend it.

Yeah. I'm going to put that effort and energy in the defense and defense of rebounding.

Defences the team game in every sport, especially football and, you know, in basketball.

Um, should baseball even too? Your team don't grip up then, you know, you could expect to lose

in any games. You should expect to lose. And in NBA, you got always, you know, great shooters.

Day to day, I, you know, I rather, well, I love the game. I think I'd rather watch college basketball

right now. Yeah. Well, the Lakers are soft. Yeah. There's a lot of whining that they're tough to watch.

They really are. I mean, well, the game is softer. Yeah. I'm just being objective. Like Luke

hug. One of the greatest offensive players ever, but he cries every single possession. Well,

he's, he's probably spoiled you. Yeah, it's really tough to watch. He's been a NBA, he's been a

pro since he was 13 years old. Yeah. 14 to 15. And, and, um, I don't think they probably ever even

asked him to get three stops in a row. No. And just because he's got the size and ability if

he really wanted to, he could do it. He's the first person on the basketball for your point guard.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think that energy translates what's him and then the coaching tools. Like,

you have to push him. Yeah. To play defense and you have to let your team know like, you know,

we have a weak defense of players. So we have to come around with schemes and, and, you know,

cutting the floor off, you know, especially when his man has the ball and is being aggressive.

But I love watching them. You know, I was a, you know, a six seven six eight point guard one time

my career time. Obviously, he's one of the best players in the NBA. Oh, yeah. He's all time great,

but just, you know, an NBA, they got this thing called, uh, what makes me sick to a two-way player.

Yeah. You know, when you have the ball, you're an offense. You don't have it or you're in defense.

Yeah. I think a two-way player should be anybody's mentality who's playing the NBA. Yeah.

And the none of them really have that mentality. It seems like I would hate to be called a two-way

player. What do you mean? I'm a two-way player. I'm playing basketball, you know.

So I think that starts a lot with these, um, with the coaches, you know, the coaches kind of

falling to how the game is being played. And not the way it should be played.

Um, Danny Lakers, I know they got the big center, kid. You know, but they knew his game before

they got him waiting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's, he was always complaining a lot. He was always more of a,

uh, a finesse score first. Yeah. Type of center. Yeah. I was reading one article and he said,

what they're trying to turn me into a Clint compelter. He said that.

Clint compelters are a great player. He's a rim protector. I think the Lakers probably need a more,

probably better than him. Yeah. I think the Lakers need a more of somebody with that type of mentality.

Yeah. And, you know, that type of mentality spreads. Yeah. You know,

did everybody go on to get stops and take charges and do the nitty-gritty things and it takes

to win consistently. Yeah. And I don't, you know, I don't know how the Lakers got away from the triangle.

Yeah. Like, it works pretty good. That my only one to let me change it. Yeah. And like,

you know, we're all around still. I'm pretty sure of their acts. Me, Derek Fisher,

Paul Gassol, and the triangle is a small fraternity of us that know it. Yeah.

And, you know, that, and that's within that small fraternity, all of us have won.

Consistent championships have been able to follow up a championship with a championship.

Yeah. They got the formula. You know, I spoke to Polinco

and he said the kids don't want to run out of his mouth. I'm like,

are we representing the back of the jersey or the front of the jersey? Yeah. Because, um,

you know, no old bullshed aside, I have a lot of Laker pride. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Everybody who's ever been around, we knows that. I always want and expect them to do well.

And when they don't, or not because on a consistent basis, I mean, and then you're in that lab,

bro. Like, this is the home of the winner. I'm saying,

I'm looking at that place, you know, right down from us that it should be called Colby's crib.

Literally. Just because how he put out every night for his town.

I hope they get it together. They're going to get it together hopefully in playoffs and

thanks. So try to get some stops. You got a time to take it back to like, practice. Yeah.

I don't think this like core can all work together because Davis was so perfect as he played,

you know, great defense and cleaned everything up. I don't think it was a bad trade. I just

Oh, for the future, it's the best trade, but the current, it's tough. I think you have to

just adapt and sometimes you gotta start over a little bit, I think in life. Yeah. You gotta adapt

on a fly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you don't, things will go past you and get past you. Yeah.

I mean, I don't want to stand for two or three more seasons. If I don't, the nation,

you know, nation. Yeah. Well, I think LeBron's gone after this.

Yeah, age, I think, is caught up to him. Finally, only took 22 years. But that's, you know,

every athlete, he had the great, he had LeBron, love him or hate him. Greatest longevity in the

history of sports. I don't, I don't even, if somebody says they hate LeBron and then you're

always not have critics. So people hate it on Kobe too. What do you call a player hater?

Flayer hater, yeah. You know, because like, you know, he was getting, you know, shit. Yeah.

His career, but he always played the right way. 22 years finally took like a step back.

After guys opened and you should pass it. Yeah. You know, after that, and then, you know,

you're good enough to take the shot. But I've been in love with his game and how he played it and

you know, obviously takes care of his body. Yeah. And that's a job in itself.

If you want to play, we say he spends a million dollars a year on it. I'm not surprised.

If he want to play on the highest level, at this level, I have no respect, but respect for LeBron James

and how he committed himself on the court, how he attacked the court. I mean, you know, I didn't get

every father. All the fathers that are my age, we love LeBron James because he did

well, all the CEOs do that have sons. They bring them right along with them. Yeah.

And, you know, shit. Which player, I don't know, no player that would turn down that opportunity.

No. They say no, they're lying. To be on the same team as your baby boy. Yeah.

You know, I mean, if he only did that and he had no championships, he's a champion of my eyes.

Just for that. I mean, gosh, Lee, you think about, you know, him being a number one pick at 18.

That 18 year old boy, you probably couldn't convince him that his brownie was going to be on the same

team with him. Yeah. One day, no, almost like the ultimate CEO corporate mover. You know,

the NBA is a player's lead. And obviously, he has a lot of power to make that happen because

there were probably some, you know, some dues that, you know, didn't get picked. Yeah. But

shit, I would have did the same thing. For sure. Yeah. One last thing I want to touch on,

I want to get a little bit more in depth about the Netflix doc. And in the trailer, you say,

the afterlife is different than they say. It's not often you see someone alive that knows what

it's like to be dead. That was, I had a dream about Kobe. When I was, I was shooting a reality show.

I don't know if you ever heard of it. It's called Big Brother. But,

I was probably one of the toughest things I ever had to do. And, you know, my man came to me in a dream.

It's how you know it was a dream because we were having a three-point shootout. We

were having a shooting contest, but Billy Krister was hosting it. So, you know, I'm, you know,

obviously, you know, I'm dreaming. I don't even know how you hold the three-point shootout. Yeah,

a shooting contest. But, you know, Kobe was so great at his shot-making because I'm left-handed.

So, when I step into my shot, I step right left. You right-handed. So, when you step into

your shot, you step left right, when he was so ambidextrous with his footwork that it didn't matter

which foot he stepped into, he was able to make the shot, you know, with his right hand.

So, we have in a three-point, we have in a shooting contest. And, I remember this vividly,

I get to the top of the key and it's a little too deep. And so, I step left right,

and I'm copying him. So, the next one I take right left was a little too deep. I missed it.

I missed it and I took it again and I made it. And then, we got to the right side of it.

And he just stopped. And he looked back at me and he said, hello. After life is not what people

make it up to be. And then I woke up shortly after that. And I just made me think, like, what is he

trying to say? Like, you know, could he miss everybody? You know,

it can mean a multiple of the things. Maybe he's still traveling.

So, we're here, wherever he has to go or have to get. I don't know what it meant.

But I just take it as, like, you know, live your best life now. Yeah.

Don't sell yourself short. Because I died. I can't tell you where we go.

Where we going, you know what I mean? And, yeah, it's just,

I think there's a lot in life, you know, that we all live for.

Whether it's your friends, your family, your money, whatever you fall in love with,

you just, like, love it now. Because we've seen from his accident, like, nobody's promised him all.

Yeah.

And I think that's the, you know, the biggest lesson that I learned from his life.

You know, because when he passed away, I got the news. I was in Atlanta and I was with my man.

He passed away. So, um, yeah, I was with my man and he was throwing up.

You know, I'm his brother.

And

or whatever the way the world spins and rotates, it felt like it started turning the other way.

Now, I remember coming back here from the street and I could like, like, like that

beanie-seagull, uh, Phil Collins song, you feel it in the air?

Like the gut punch, like, like the grief.

And, you know, we don't know, I don't know, I don't know, my time is my, my grandma, I got one

grandmother's, my mother's mother passed away on her 80th birthday June 29th.

Um, and that's especially birthday for me because that's also the day that my son passed away.

From kids, you know, June 29th.

And that's when I was in living right.

You know, sometimes I asked myself if I was home because I was out all night and I'm just

trying to, you know, be present. Yeah.

It's much as possible. Now, I'm 46. I can't, I'm 46.

But, you know, my grandmother, I got one grandmother, she's been in the same project.

Apartment for 70 years.

70 years? Well, she's 99 years old. Oh my god.

So, I figure, you know, if I got one grandmother, I live in a project building for, for 70 years.

And she's 99. I think, you know, because of, you know, my ability to take care of myself and

get a gig or two. Yeah. I'm, I'm spec, you know, I'm talking shit right now, but I think I could

live, the Moses lived to, he was worth 120. I think I got a buck in me. All right. I like it.

I'm, I'm gonna need a lot of track outfits or something easy, something that look good, that's

easy to put on. But, um, yeah, you know, I think I got a buck in me. If I, you know, keep my head on

straight and, you know, love my fellow man and keep my soul right. Then why not?

My guy. Yeah, I want to see it. Well, I'm gonna do it. You probably won't be here. If I live to 100, you

pay me dead, bro. I'll be dead. I'm just saying if I live to 100, I'm gonna be alive.

I'm gonna say you're gonna be like, I'm gonna put that down. I'll be 78. That's not that bad.

Yeah. No, you're right. You got a shot. But it's just like, it's just like, um, some Jewish,

we got good doctors. Yeah. Sometime I think about my grandmother's like, she ain't like, we're

your only friends. Think about that. If you live till you're 99, all your buddies and all like,

no, true. Yeah, they're gone. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're out of here.

Yeah, my, I'm gonna say in my life, I mean, especially coming from a dude that died before,

you know, um,

I got, you know, God put me here for a reason too. I don't know if it's spread the word or

the sobriety or, I don't know, but once I get it down pack, I ain't gonna be no stopping me.

You know, but he definitely spared me. Should I had 12 strokes or six heart attacks when I was

in the coma? Yeah. I, you know, when I woke up, I couldn't walk at all. They said I wasn't

gonna never walk or talk again. Yeah. I got having a conversation with you right now. I was,

you know, getting my diaper changed and see the side now every three hours, bro. Yeah.

I, I told you, but like, my mother traumatic brain injury on 13, they said, like,

if she lives, she's not gonna walk her talk, you know, and she's in a wheelchair and now she's

perfect. It's crazy. God. Yeah. God is good all the time. She's probably sharper than before

that. It's nuts. It's crazy how the body works, man. How it protects itself. Who trauma? Yeah.

Only he has answers for that because I'm like a medical miracle. My doctor told me in the same

like addictive type personality, like, like, if we get like, but it was a box popsicles, like,

I'll have one. She'll have 12. Yeah. My mom. What? What? Why would you have so many? But it's just,

they pronounced me dead a couple. There was a couple of times my family told me, like, the doctor said,

you know, you know, you might want to see him as one last time. Yeah.

You know, so you're, you're definitely in life number two or three. Yeah. So for me to be able to beat

that, you know, like a cat. Yeah. I didn't get to nine yet, but we were close. Yeah. Well,

it's broke six heart attacks. You know, I don't even really want to, you know,

if you partying, then I leave the room. Yeah. No good.

You know, and this is a place where you can get anything anywhere. Oh L.A. It's tough. Yeah.

I mean, I, you know, me and my friends were like the only sober house in L.A. It's. I don't know.

Tell my man myself. I said, what's up? No, we're gonna tell him why I said, what's up?

But, um, you know, life is too good and it's too short. One last thing today,

then people are surprised that Chloe, your ex-wife is one of like the main people in the doc.

How did that come about? I don't know. You would have to ask them. Oh, Netflix to care of it. Yeah,

because, um, you know, my last time being around her, it was like, um,

I can't, I don't think I compare it to as like being in detention with the principal.

You know, one on one. But it takes time for us to, um,

to hear it, because, you know, it seems like it just happened yesterday. Yeah. At least to me.

And so, you know, you're dealing with a woman and, you know, you're doing a

um, coming out or women coming out to the tabloids. Yeah.

You know, that's probably one of my worst, my biggest mistakes ever.

It's that I told God I was going to take care of this woman and be with her forever and, um,

um, stepped out of her. Like I just lied to her on this face. And, you know,

death could, divorce could be like death. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Like I'm not in contact with even my brother, all, you know, who, uh, you know,

um, who's in stage, or it wasn't part of the script for me and him to get along in the way we did.

Now, you know, um, you know, but, you know, even in death, even when people

pass on in a longer head, you still have to live your life and move on and try to turn

and turn shit in the sugar. And, you know, it's painful. But that's something that I

regret. And I'm, you know, mentally, I'll be paying for it probably for the rest of my life.

You can tell in the clip that like the love is still there, you know, well, you know, I mean,

shit. I mean, honestly, you don't marry somebody in 30 days and then forget about it. Yeah.

I can't imagine that. I know that most people can't like me either, um, and then for two people in

a position everywhere, you know, she didn't even hold him and I didn't need to be the first black

Kardashian. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They just happened that way and everything was,

you know, genuine. We got some more after. Yeah, the love that they show for me. You know, you

you know, you can't, you know, I don't think Kanye American. Yeah. Yeah. They got, well, four kids. Yeah.

You know, he was second. He was second. But, um, yeah, you know, that love was, it was genuine.

And I think that's what my main hustle was on special too, because it really wasn't scripted. We

just went off of how we felt. Yeah. And we were at the time. Um, yeah, I think about that life

and that lifestyle. I was just imagining that Lelika married to a Kardashian. It's like

the red carpet roll down everywhere you go. Yeah. Oh, it's a movie script. Yeah. So it was an amazing time

and it's probably worth the movie, I would say, but it's in the story for another day.

Let's work for another day. Yeah. Appreciate you coming through it. I'm happy to see you sober and

not a rehab and doing well. Oh, man, the best is yet to come, little brother. The best is yet to come.

Um, um, they feel like, um, yeah, because they feel like my third life. Yeah. So

there are times that charm. Yeah. I've never, you know, shit, I'm like, what, 30,

five days sober right now. Um, I feel good. You know, I try to look it. I gotta get used to

wearing these glasses. Like I told you, um, they look like you're about to drop a book or something.

Yeah. I mean, it's a good distinguish look. Yeah, but that's a fright. That's why our people wear

glasses and yeah, a little bit about it. My fuckers. But yeah, I'm saying, um, I needed them. Yeah,

no, you dread it. And I'm saying, like, I might just I'd buy your book. Yeah, I might just screen.

I'm squinting. So I was like, when I was in rehab, I made a, um,

um, uh, appointment for a doctor and my father used to wear glasses.

I'm not these style, but I'm gonna change the style up a little bit, make them more like the

Joe old and look. All right. That's times come. So next time I see you, I have a different

picture. You might need some buffs, you know, some diamonds in there. Some gazelle glasses or

something like that. All right. Oh, man. Appreciate you for coming on. Any last words?

Tell the fans. Oh, I love you for loving me. Take care yourself. We out.

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