Last Looks: Mindhunters

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This week, an FBI profiler, a military detective and a physics teacher all call

to add their two cents on a movie that no one could make sense of.

Plus, we will find out how mind hunters ripped off Agatha Christie.

And guess what people?

It's time to go back to 1987 because Black Monday is on Netflix.

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All this and more on a brand new.

How did this get made?

Last looks hit the theme.

Last looks, time to close the book on last week's movie.

Correct the information, submit the omitted.

Hello to all my mind hunters.

Welcome to last looks.

I am Paul Sheer where you the listener get to voice your issue on mind hunters.

A movie that discord user Sean McBe thinks should have had the tagline mind hunters.

Their only weakness bullets.

Thank you Sean McBe for that amazing tagline, which of course is a reference to LL Cool J's

amazing one liner after killing Johnny Lee Miller.

I don't remember it to be quite honest with you.

I mean, I laughed at it because I thought it was funny, but don't remember that that's

a reference at all.

And that's why Sean McBe is the champ.

He doesn't need you to remember the movie.

He just needs to getcha and he got me a big shout out to Chris Cheney for that.

Opening theme song.

Chris, you killed it.

Remember, if you have an alt movie tagline, you can submit it to us on our discord at discord.gg-hdtgm.

And if you have a last looks theme song like Chris, you can just go to hdtgm.com and click

on the submit a song button on our homepage.

Remember, keep them short.

15 to 20 seconds is best.

If you don't remember any of that stuff, just remember, just go to hdtgm.com, it's so easy.

Everything is there.

You got pictures, you got merch, you got episodes, and you even got links to the discord

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Everything is there.

So don't worry about writing it down, because I know everyone just reached for a pen and

paper, because they're all just going analog, no, no, just go to hdtgm.com.

You can remember that.

Today, what are we going to be doing?

Well, I'll tell you, we're going to stay pretty much on track to every single episode

of this series, which is we're going to go to your corrections and omissions on mind

hunters.

Then, Jason Manzucas, he is going to pop in.

We're going to talk a bit about, guess what, stuff we like.

And then, of course, I will reveal the movie for next week's episode.

Now, lastly, I'm going to play a phone call from our friend Garrett from Chicago.

He called him with a question that kind of segues nicely into the last thing I wanted

to plug.

Garrett, what's on your mind?

Hey, Paul.

I was just listening to the last look for Ben Dance, and you were saying that you couldn't

get black Monday anywhere.

And then, today, I see it's coming on Netflix, I'm going to go week or two.

So that conversation, I have everything to do with that, or did someone stronghold somebody

after listening to that, because it literally just came on there.

I just wondering, I think it has great show, love the show, and listening to it for 15

years.

Wow.

All right.

Bye.

Garrett, you are right.

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It's me.

It's Don Cheetle.

It's Regina Hall.

It's Andrew Reynolds.

It's Casey Wilson.

It's June Diane Rayfield.

Eugene Cordero.

Yes, or Leicester?

The list goes on and on the first episode directed by Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg.

It looks amazing.

It's shot an anamorphic, which, if you know anything, it looks pretty fucking cool.

Anyway, I love black Monday.

I just started rewatching it.

I haven't watched it since it first came out, and the show really holds up, and I hope

more people find it, and I hope this is your chance to go check it out every season just

gets more and more crazy.

It's this jam packed with just amazing people, wall to wall, great performances.

So I hope you all like it, and enjoy it a little black Monday, whatever day you put it

on.

All right.

That's all the plugs that I got.

Oh, and was it my fault for saying it on my hundreds?

Yeah, probably.

I'm sure Netflix heard me say it, and then boom, I will say this.

I did post a couple of things, and I got a lot of responses.

We've been kind of hitting a brick wall at that show for a long time.

So I'm going to say it's the power of how to disget made so we can all embrace it.

All right.

That is all I got for plugs.

Let's get into it.

Last week, we talked at length about mind hunters.

Well, we had questions, and we might have even missed a few things.

Here is your chance to set a straight fact check us, if you will.

It is now time for corrections and omissions.

For all the things we talked about, there were things we did leave out.

So now it's time for corrections and omissions.

Thank you, Dornheim.

For that theme song, let's go to the discord.

The mediocre pumpkin writes, the end line where LL Cool J calls back to Val Kilmer's rule

that the situation isn't secure until the ride home is frustrating for multiple

reasons.

June correctly said it's dumb because they're not actually on the ride home yet, but it's

also especially frustrating because LL wasn't even in the earlier scene when Val Kilmer

used that line.

He also was not a part of the profile or training program.

So how does he know?

Mediocre pumpkin.

You brought up a bunch of good points there because it's so easily been switched to the

other person.

Wow, it is shocking to me.

A movie like this would make such a blunder and the only answer I could say is he is the

teacher.

That's right.

Val Kilmer is just a decoy.

LL Cool J is actually teaching the class Val Kilmer is his puppet and that's the final

reveal.

You see, you thought you found an omission, but what you didn't realize was you revealed

just how dumb you are.

You didn't get the bigger point that LL was the teacher all along.

It's right there for you.

It's right there.

How did you miss it?

Hope no one else missed it.

Dr. Guts, 1003 writes, presumably Val Kilmer had set up the island to have all sorts

of clues to help the team profile and capture his imaginary puppeteer killer.

So how come outside of the, you know, initial mannequin corpse crime scene, they never

come across anything else that is connected to the simulated crime?

That's a great question.

I would imagine it's because they are running for their lives.

I mean, they are full on in panic mode.

It would have been great if they found a clue and then realized it was just a decoy clue.

I would have liked that as like a twist, but I don't think this movie was smart enough

to handle anything that complex.

I think the minute a real serial killer is on the island, everything is out the window

and we're off to the races.

You would have thought that maybe Val Kilmer would have had a couple of other people

with them, maybe hide now on that.

Nope, nope, nope.

I mean, honestly, the mind hunters should have killed some more innocent people as what

I'm saying.

Dr. Guts also writes that I thought it was worth mentioning that running Harlan dropped

out of directing another, how did this get made classic, A Sound of Thunder, to film

mind hunters instead?

Ooh, interesting.

If you don't remember a sound of thunder, I believe that that is the time travel movie

where someone steps on a butterfly and then like they're running from dinosaurs.

Were they running from dinosaurs and there's butterflies?

I know that.

I know that someone steps on a butterfly, but it's not the butterfly effect with my man,

the coach.

Arkham player writes, I'm not exactly in shape, but as a wheelchair user, I question Vince's

ability to hold himself up on the pipes for so long.

Upper body strength in wheelchair users is kind of a myth unless you're training for

like the Paralympics or a marathon.

Wheelchairs are meant to make moving easier and not meant to be a device in which people

improve their upper body strength.

Now, I'm not saying I'm willing to test this out on Mythbusters anytime soon, but the

tires on a wheelchair are made of rubber, so Vince would have been grounded protecting

him for getting shocked by electricity.

Wow.

Arkham player, first of all, thank you for giving us a really solid fact check.

Yeah, I would imagine that the wheelchair for him is probably the safest place.

Maybe I can't quite figure out the logic here either, except for the fact that they just

wanted him to hang from pipes and that pipe scene was so exciting, I guess.

Alright, please do not test this theory out.

Arkham player already has told me he won't, but I don't want anyone else to try to

electrocute themselves in a wheelchair.

We will let the professionals deal with that.

Alright, let's go to the phones with Jay from Ohio.

Hey Paul, June and Jason, just a note on minehunders, you all remarked at the beginning

about the scenario of alkylmer put them in when he was more of a tactical exercise versus

the profiling one.

This is true.

FBI profiler training is more psychological and the rating part of kitchen killers would

probably fall more to a dedicated FBI tactical unit or even a local law enforcement

swatheem.

That said, profilers are typically still special agents or criminal investigators who have

arresting powers and are armed.

Depending on the nature of a warranted search, they may actually be the one that's doing

the knock-in on the door as well.

They also do training on certain scenarios like this, where force may be required.

They use simulated firearms that shoot chalk-like projectiles, which I can say hurt like hell.

I've actually assisted on some of these posing as anything from an aggressive protester

to a convenience trooper.

It's actually kind of fun.

That said, none of the training I've observed or taken part in was as elaborate as they

said.

It seems like some fraud waste and abuse investigations are required on the part of alkylmer's

character.

Keep up the great work.

PS Paul, my wife and I both love your book.

Thanks.

Jay, thank you so much for reading my book.

Also, whoa, these chalk pellets.

Were you shooting them or were you getting shot with them?

Either way, I guess what you're saying is this movie not really based in reality.

Well, I was on your side.

And then I got this phone call from my friend, Stoddard.

Stoddard, take it away.

Hello, Paul.

This is about mine hunters and where to begin, so many things to talk about.

But there's one that I think I have a specific insight into.

In the military, I was on a SWAT team and I was a detective.

And when I went to the detective academy, they actually had a place called Scenarioville.

That was a banded military housing.

And in those houses, they would set up crime scenes with dummies and fake blood, sometimes

with real blood.

They wanted you to test, you know, use one of the kits to detect blood, broken windows,

weapons or items laying around so that way you would be able to go in and actually sketch

your crime scene and make your measurements and then take all your photographs and collect

the crime scene evidence correctly and that way you would be trained and you would be

tested in the same area.

And although it wasn't as elaborate as what is in the film, certainly.

It was kind of crazy watching it and going, it's not that far off.

It's just cranked up to 11 is what they did in the film and it just turned it up to 11.

It was pretty crazy when I was doing it.

I remember thinking, this is kind of bizarre that they've just made an entire crime scene

and then you've got instructors to kind of stand around watching you or they'd be watching

you on a camera like in the movie.

So yeah, there you go, a little inside information.

Love the show.

Take care.

Scenarioville.

I love it.

I love it.

But it wasn't that.

It seems like what you're doing there is crime scene, like evidence collecting that

feels normal to me.

I don't think that they create full on like hunting, they weren't sending you out to knock

on doors.

Were they?

Maybe they were.

I don't know.

I like Scenarioville.

Is it like Lars van Trier's dogville?

No.

All right.

This makes sense.

The movie obviously based in reality, but guess what else?

It's based in plagiarism.

Check it out.

All win from London coming in hot.

Take it away.

Hi there.

I was not familiar with Mindhunter's before the most recent episode, but what I was familiar

with was Aggie to Christie's book and then there were none.

And the more I listened to this week's episode, the more familiar some of the plot of elements

of Mindhunter became.

There are both about a couple of people in the island being picked off one by one by

the killer who is someone among them.

And as it was just that, I probably wouldn't have thought about it.

It clicked for me when you mentioned on the pod the way each person is killed in the

movie plays on their vice.

And in the Aggie to Christie, each person is being killed with punishment for something

terrible they've done.

There's all the elements of each of the death being foreshadowed ominously, so it happened

in 900 times like it's the clock in Christie's, it's with an eerie poem that the book takes

the title from.

There's also the tension of the group turning on each other's more people are eliminated,

sufficient to grow.

And very specifically in both, there's a message projected over audio designed to scare

people.

And then finally, at the risk of spoiling the book, there's a plot twist of the killer being

someone who faked their own death, but halfway through the killings only to return alive

at the end.

So it seems beyond the realm of coincidence at this point, I'm probably to find more if

I watch the movie.

And I have to wonder if Mindhunter is actually just a way worse ripoff of Aggie Christie's

and then there we're not.

We'd love to hear your thoughts.

All when you are 100% right, this is a direct ripoff of, and then there were none and great

job putting together those context because I've seen that.

I didn't even put that together.

I've seen it.

Well, yeah, I've seen it.

I didn't read it.

And I'm not going to lie about that.

I've seen the movie.

And you're completely right.

So many websites call this out.

I don't know how they got away with not, you know, saying it was based on that story,

but I guess they added enough stuff to it that just kind of pushed that out of sight.

I mean, enough serial killer tropes.

And that's kind of what they are saying is that they overlaid a lot of 90s stuff on top

of Aggie Christie.

So all one way to go for being well read and getting it just from a few context clues.

Next up, and finally, Liz from Wisconsin.

Hi, Paul.

Jason, I just listened to the Mind Hunter episode, and I was listening to talk about the liquid

nitrogen attack.

I am a physics teacher, and I, in college, we did experiments with liquid nitrogen, and

I just thought I'd share a little bit about my experience there because your instincts

that it shouldn't do what it did in the movie are absolutely correct.

It shouldn't have done really anything at all.

It would evaporate really quickly.

It used to have a, you know, a doer, a cylinder, a full of liquid nitrogen to use for experiments.

And people would kind of dare each other to stick their hands in it, and like, you shouldn't

do that.

And it was important to, you know, take off any rings or metal jewelry or wear wearing.

I never was quite brave enough to, but I saw my friends do it a number of times.

You can stick your hand in it and you look with nitrogen and just pull it out real fast,

and you will be totally fine.

If it gets sprayed on your skin, it will evaporate right away.

So there's no scenario where anything close to what we saw would have happened there.

So I just thought I would share that I have personally seen people with liquid nitrogen

on them, and it did not creep up and freeze them and make them chatter.

Thanks for all you guys do.

Love your podcasts.

Bye-bye.

Liz, are you telling me this movie didn't know what the hell they were talking about?

See, I appreciate this.

This is a week where we get military detectives.

We get FBI profilers, we get literature person, we get physics teachers.

This is the kind of content that I need.

Not just, oh, in one scene, the button was open.

No, no, no.

I got fucking professionals here.

Thank you, Liz.

Thank you all.

And thank you, starter.

Thank you, Jay.

It does bump me out because then you're also, I guess, telling me that Terminator 2, the

ending to that is also flawed.

No.

All right, back to the discord, Django 1 writes, what really hurt me in this movie was

the letters on the back of their jackets.

There's a scene where all the jackets are laid on the table, and you can clearly see

the letters, even though the black lights aren't shining on them, which means they would

have been clearly visible to the naked eye.

Second, they reveal the letters, C-R-O-A-T-O-A, Crottoa, just so Clifton Collins, Jr. can

tell the story of the Rowan Oak Island colony.

So you're telling me, Johnny Lee Miller put those letters on the jacket solely to have that

story told, preposterous.

I mean, was that like a story that like, like, like, that Clifton Collins, Jr. told all

the times, like, oh, this would be great.

I'll make them tell it to everybody again, like, oh, yeah, they'll just do the same story

over and over again.

I mean, I don't even understand, I mean, I guess I get, well, maybe that's a clue.

That is technically a clue.

He should have put Agatha Christie on the back of the jacket.

Quantum Volt, wannabe profile writes, I was sad the trio didn't discuss the underwater

final face off between Johnny Lee Miller and Catherine Morris, where they aim guns above

the water and what I think was a game of chicken with their breath control.

I get Catherine's character is terrified of water, and it's supposed to be her conquering

her fear, but there are so many problems from the guns being in the water for an extended

period of time.

Let alone whether Catherine would be able to hit Johnny at all, but that was the dumbest

and funniest part of the film.

I mean, Quantum Volt, you did it.

You talked us through it.

Yeah.

I mean, I am tired of the underwater bullet thing.

I think that that's the opening of the last James Bond movie.

There is a period of time in the 80s and 90s, where every bad guy's going underwater with

their guns and their shooting so bullets.

I think that that's in mission impossible, three, the one with the guy from Michael Clayton,

and then it also is in lethal weapon.

Like everyone is going underwater with guns and the guns are working fine.

It's impossible.

I believe that if you've never been underwater before holding your breath, it shouldn't

be that hard.

I don't know.

I mean, she's afraid of water.

I forgot about that.

The movie is dumb, and that scene I thought actually was anti-climactic, honestly.

So thank you for calling it out, and I'm sorry that we didn't get there.

I think sometimes our energy for watching the movie, like by the end of the movie, we're

taking less and less notes because we've been just beaten into submission.

Sean McBeer writes, I read the script from Minehunters and the finished film didn't deviate

it from too much.

There are two things I wanted to mention.

First of all, Sean, you read the script from Minehunters?

You belong up in the fancy category of our profilers and lit majors and physics teachers.

Okay, so Sean goes, these are the two differences during the end scene in the pool.

Instead of the silly holding the gun out of the water to shoot whoever runs out of breath

first, Katherine Morris gets out of the pool, then dumps in liquid nitrogen before Johnny

Lee Miller can get out freezing him solid.

Honestly, I like that ending better.

I think that that's a cooler ending.

It ties together, some bookends, and then the other scene that is different is there's

a weird scene where Vince's leg twitches and the team suddenly suspects that he's been

faking his disability and is the killer.

They actually hold a gun to his head and say, they're going to kill him if he doesn't

stand up.

And he does stand.

Wait, what?

And even the script doesn't know if that was from extreme effort or some weird nerve response.

Despite the seemingly confirming their suspicions, the group moves on from it pretty quickly.

It seems like they recognized in the edit that this did make a lot of sense and ended

up cutting it.

But they did leave in one shot of Vince's leg twitching earlier in the movie and that

was probably a setup for this scene.

Wow, wow, wow.

That is a wild, a wild thing and I actually really love the specificity of the twitch.

Because it just further convolutes and makes everybody want to point the gun at each other

because that's really what they're all doing after a certain period of time.

Sean, you did the Lord's work by reading the script and I got to say, you were not the

only one.

I mean, you know, to me, I feel like everybody brought their A game.

And that's why the winner I'm going to pick this week, oh, it's going to, it's going

to be tricky.

It is going to be so, so tricky.

It's going to be all one from London because all one found something that no one else

found and it was right out in the open.

The clue was right there just like Krakatoa and here is your winning prize.

That's right.

You're not going to get a prize.

You can hold in your hand, but you can get this a free profile of you from me.

That's right.

I'm going to put on my FBI profile hat and based solely on the info available in your

submission, I am going to tell you all about you.

Scott, hit me with some dramatic profiling music.

All one from London.

Well, what do we have here?

It's like she's extremely armed with opinions.

That's right.

Within minutes of meeting you, she will be able to diagnose you as a killer or a victim.

Having read every Agatha Christie novel, she knows immediately which character you are

playing in real life because Agatha Christie has written everyone's life in her novels.

We are just living them.

And if you dare tell her about a movie or a TV show, she'll tell you which novel that

was ripped off from.

You say, oh my gosh, I love family matters.

She goes, well, guess what?

That's just the crooked house.

Which is Agatha Christie novel.

You go, oh, I love what's happening.

She's like, oh, that's just five little pigs.

Oh, all win.

You're so smart.

But beware.

If you ever catch her in a locked room or around a Belgian man, something is a miss.

You can often find her in libraries, and guess what?

She does have a favorite, Agatha Christie character, but she won't tell you who.

And if you ever mispronounce her kill Perot's name, she will never forgive you.

The same way she will never accept Benoit Blanc into her heart because that's not Christie.

That's Johnson.

Anyway, I don't know what I'm doing anymore.

I hope you enjoyed your profile.

I'm sure that's 100% accurate based on all the information I know about you.

Anyway, for those who didn't win, be thankful.

But guess what?

You can try next week to get your prize.

Maybe not an FBI profiler, maybe we won't do that again, but it's something else.

Who knows?

Anyway, keep on submitting your corrections and omissions on our Discord or by calling

us at 619 PAULASK.

Coming up after the break, Jason will stop by for a just chat so stick around.

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Welcome back.

By now, I'm sure you've noticed that every Tuesday we re-release classic, how did this get

made episodes back onto our feed this week's classic episode was the adventures of Pinocchio

and an honor of Dr. Gutz 1003 informing us that Rene Harlan almost directed a sound

of thunder instead of mine hunters.

This week's classic re-release will be our own episode on a sound of thunder and a

little bit of trivia for you.

A sound of thunder was originally supposed to star Pierce Brosden who happens to be the

lead in the new movie that we are covering for next week but you're going to have to wait

just a little bit longer before we reveal what that movie is because right now it is time

to welcome Jason two last looks for a little just chat.

All right Rob from Long Island with a classic just chat theme Jason, how are you?

You know, I'm doing great, you know, I feel like we're right now, you know, we're in

April showers and I feel like, you know, listen, they're going to bring those May flowers.

Oh, I hope Jason, I really, I hope we get May flowers this year.

May flowers would be a great name for like an like a like a 1940s actress.

Oh, that's a May flowers.

Oh, I love the like like a, it's a stage name, her real name was like a Peggy last but known

as May flowers.

May flowers is good.

Um, she was murdered May flowers murdered.

Well, she was dating that mafia guy, like he was old school guy.

This is it.

He betrayed Capone and it's starting to sound like I just not, I mean, I don't know when

this is coming out because we're recording, but it was recently I will say not to time

stamp when we're recording this St. Patrick's Day.

And um, I have adopted our friend Owen Burke's St. Patrick's Day viewing routine, which

is I watched Miller's crossing the Cohen brothers, Miller's crossing, which he watches

on St. Patrick's Day.

And boy, it's just one of my absolutes.

Oh, I love that.

I love that.

Uh, by the way, I'm looking up if there were any May flowers.

And it seemed like there is a, a Maya flowers and a Sandra May flowers, but we are pretty

much.

We're good.

We're good.

May flowers.

We could do that.

Yeah.

We got it.

Maya flowers is different.

And if your name is Maya flowers, change it to me.

Like why?

You're so close.

I mean, yeah, that's true.

I mean, I wonder if she goes by May probably not.

I mean, it's such a short name.

You don't need to think of it.

Well, look, if you're going to name your kid, Maya, yeah, then, you know, I'm going to

do it.

But what if you were trying to say, like, oh, those are Maya flowers now, now you're talking

now.

I get it.

Oh, my gosh.

I love it.

I love.

I think we should, here's, here's what we should do.

Yeah.

A la Tilly Norwood.

Yeah.

Of course.

We should create an AI actor named May flowers now that I'm in.

Okay.

Yes.

I mean, instead of like Tilly Norwoods, like, kind of, she's like a young Anjaneu.

Maybe May flowers is, we do, our AI is like a stand up comedian who just does Matt Rife

style crowd work.

Oh, okay.

I, now that, see, you're going that direction and I'm thinking what I was thinking that you're

going to go for was we create like a June squib.

She's just a very, very, very old way.

Let's mix them together.

She's an old, like, because you could do it, you know, it's like you should do it for

years.

She's not getting, you know, she's, you know, she's an elderly stand up comedian who just

does crowd work to great success because she is getting this intergenerational audience.

It's like the young kids lover because she's cool and she's said, but the older people

are like, finally, this person can speak for me.

And because it's AI, we can have her be literate in all of the slang and everything for all

the generations.

Oh, yeah.

So she can speak authentically to Jenna Alpha and the baby boomers, but she's not playing

down to it.

Like, she's not doing like, oh, it depends, like, no, she's not doing that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

No, I think she's kind of like a real tells it like it is honest person, you know, like,

I think that the thing we need to prioritize in our new AI actors, I love, and then this

is speaks for also the geek squad is a people what they want is the perception of authenticity.

And that is why I think the more authentic we can make may flowers seem our elderly stand

up comedian AI construct.

The more authentic we can make her seem the better, you know, yes.

And I feel like that become, I mean, this is where we're going to have to spend a lot

of money.

Now, I know a lot of people are not, you know, or like, hey, Paul Jason, don't, don't,

you know, embrace AI, but we are doing something that, honestly, I don't think you can do,

which is an amazing to use, exactly.

Right.

There's not taking a job away from anyone.

We're doing, you know, we're, we're doing a hundred year old person.

It is.

Yes.

We're going to get one angry one about there you guys don't even joke about it.

Even as a joke, I don't like it when they do this, even as a joke.

It's not funny to joke around, but, yeah, it's people are, all right, all right.

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All right.

I've got stuff that I'm watching.

You know what I'm about it?

Yes.

Get ready.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

So there's a show called bookish that was on masterpiece, it just finished its first season.

And it's, it's like the most masterpiece theater, British detective show.

It is post-World War II, like right, right after the war.

So right, right.

There are pictures like bombed out London streets and everything.

Mark Gattis, who you might know as the microthed in the Sherlock Holmes Benedict Cumberbatch

Sherlock Holmes, he's also the head of the Iron Bank on Game of Thrones, he's part of

the Doctor Who World.

And Mark Gattis, you would recognize if you saw him.

It's his show.

He wrote and created it.

And it's about a Sherlock Holmes-esque detective who's helping, who consults with the police

to solve crimes in post-World War II London, and it is dynamite.

There's just a lot going on.

There's a lot of layers to it that are very interesting, but it's really just straight

ahead.

Every two episodes is one mystery, so it's basically like a movie, like, oh, I love that.

Yeah.

So every two episodes is like a loofer-esque in that way, right?

Very much.

Yes.

It's so fun, and it looks great, and Gattis is fantastic, and there's a couple of

like good reveals that come in, and a couple of like longer-running mysteries.

But for the most part, it's a case of the week, and absolutely beautifully done.

It's called Bookish.

It's available now.

The whole first season is up, and it's terrific.

Oh, wow.

All right.

I got to watch that.

I like that a lot.

I think you'd really like it.

It's really satisfying.

Yeah.

That's all right.

That seems really good.

I'm reading right now, because I'm reading a great book.

I don't know if I talked about what he got.

He read this book called Strangers, which is a memoir of a marriage by a bell burden,

which is June who's reading it.

She's like, he got to read it.

It's about this couple who's been together, like this kind of New York City socialite,

whose husband leaves, sir.

It's a really great, compelling, quick read, really, really satisfying reading.

And it's during the pandemic, is that right?

Yeah.

It happens like during COVID, and it's fascinating.

I think what I love about it is, on some level, it just talks about breakups.

And that awkwardness of what a breakup is, and how you feel, and did you do anything

wrong, and how your friends treat you, it really captures an element.

And there's another part of this, which is they are very affluent, and they're within

this kind of a different cultural sphere in New York, which is great.

But I do think the reason why it connects so much is it's not like, it doesn't have like

juicy bits like, oh, then we went to this house, and we did this.

It really just more is like, how you fit in when you are a part of something, and now you

are singular.

Yeah.

And I thought that book was really, really, really great.

And I also...

That was a much discussed when I was in New York doing that Simon Richo, everybody behind

the scenes was reading.

Oh, yeah.

I guess it had just been...

Right.

It's been something, it had just been maybe in Vanity Fair, or something.

And that book was like, everybody was talking about that book.

I got to read it.

Yeah.

It is a...

She writes really well.

I guess it started as a New York Times, like, there's like a love section in New York

Times.

Like, you can write like these stories about like relationships.

Modern love?

Yes.

Modern love.

Yeah.

So she wrote that, and it kind of, it grew out of that, so, but, yeah, I highly, highly recommend

that.

I really think it's a great story.

I will shout out, I don't remember if I mentioned this, I'm a huge fan of all the Star Wars

audiobooks.

Oh, yeah.

Specifically.

Yeah.

I love all the Star Wars books, but the audiobooks, they do such a great job, sound designing

them and making them feel very immersive.

And the one that came out last, at the end of last year called Sanctuary, that is the

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This is a novel for all of those characters, and it's fantastic.

Oh, I love that.

I'll throw out a couple of recommendations for comics.

I'm very much enjoying Matt Fractions, Batman Run right now with Jorge Jimenez on our

absolutely gorgeous book, fantastic.

Two books, two like longer books, like hardcover books.

The Avengers in the Varacity trap, the Chip Kid book was fantastic and the superheroes

journey.

Basically books where creators are putting themselves and doing graphic novels that are

about their own personal relationship to these characters and these stories.

So there's a real blurring of the lines.

Do you remember, like, we talked about, I think, on your pod, on your, maybe something

you were doing, Marvel 1985.

Oh, yes.

Yes, yes.

You know, it's a little bit like that.

These are incredible comics creators who are writing these original stories that have

themselves as components to the minute and why and how all of these characters from

the Marvel universe are so impactful and important to them, but told nonetheless in a comics

style.

So very good.

The Avengers in the Varacity trap and the superheroes journey.

I loved both of those.

I will also shout out, I'm like very much enjoying, I just finished rather.

They did a deluxe edition of an old Batman storyline called the cult and it's, it's

really takes place in a Gotham where like a cult figure takes over like a cult leader,

a religious leader, cult leader takes over Gotham and starts to amass this incredibly powerful

army of people who are doing whatever he says and the, the parallels between its storyline

and the world we're currently living in was chilling and very unsettling and it's great

and it's from the 90s, you know, it's like an old, it's an old run, but fantastic.

They just put out a deluxe edition of it and it's really great.

Oh, I love that.

I should check that out.

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come out to those dinners.

I've been trying to do like a bi-monthly Jesse Falcum dinner because he is, I would love

it.

A great hang as you know, Jesse works in the Marvel world but he gave me this book, The

Furry Trap by Josh Simmons and, yes, Josh Simmons is nuts, yes, it is like a horror

short story collection and it is, I mean, there are things in it that I was like, it is,

it's visceral.

It's like, it's a wall.

It's unsettling.

Yes.

No, no, no.

Josh Simmons stuff is very hardcore, very, it's great.

It's, it's really, does that book, I forget, have the Batman story in it?

There's a Josh Simmons book, Dream of the Bat is the, is the one I'm thinking.

Oh, yes, yes.

Okay.

I'm looking at that right now.

And that's another Josh Simmons kind of twisted book that's great.

And there's a few, it looks like it looks like the Twilight of the Bat and, I don't know

that I knew that.

And then the birth of the bat, yeah, Murray, this is interesting.

I got to get more into him, but yeah, that's, and I think, because I think that's how

I found out about Josh Simmons was also Jesse Falcum.

Oh, wow.

So that makes total sense.

Yeah, that is, it was like, he's like, we got to go over here, I'm going to give you

this book.

He's the best.

I just love it.

It's such a good time.

I've become obsessed with the comics writer, Rom V.

Okay.

And just two books left of his that I really enjoyed.

The one hand and the six fingers and Don Runner are two kind of graphic novel length

books that I think are both absolutely terrific, very cool, very interesting comics writer

right now that I think is really worth checking out.

Now I know that we are always recommending stuff that we really, really like, but Jason

there is something I do need to talk to you about that is kind of inexplicable in many

ways, which is on peacock our favorite streaming platform.

We talk about it a lot.

There was a special called Liv Moss Live.

Liv Moss Live happened the Friday before the Academy Awards and it was presented as an

award show hosted by Vince Staples.

And Liv Moss Live was a Taco Bell board meeting that was put on stage that I Molly watched

it with me and we are in complete and it shook me to the core what this thing is because

you think, okay, well, they'll have jokes and they'll do music.

No, it is a straight up hour long.

It's like, oh, I work for Taco Bell and they're kind of like bringing me into the fold.

And guess what?

They hired a couple of interesting people.

They have like Benson Boone comes out at one point and he goes, let me tell you about

this six sided first trap.

It's a quesarita supreme as Molly is saying right now, she says post apocalyptic fast food

nightmare.

Wait, but was it real?

It's 100% real.

It is a way for Taco Bell to show off all their new products like the Creme Brulee Crunch

trap, but they put it in an award show thing and you would think, okay, well, Vince Staples

is hosting it.

No, just, it's really the CMO, like he introduces the show and then the CMO comes out and

the CMO runs most of the show.

And then they cut to cameos of people that are shocking, like at one point they, it's

like the money that went out to pay everybody and I don't, I don't fault anyone for taking

Taco Bell money and showing up and drinking a cold brew or shot a peacock, okay.

Live moss alive as I describe it to you, it's not close to capturing what it was.

It's like, oh, this would be funny.

It's lame.

It's weird.

Because it sounds like what you're pitching me is like a timon Eric sketch or something,

you know.

Yes.

And it's really, it's all over the place.

It's a show that they keep on telling you, it's going to be full of comedy and music,

but they never get to either one of those things like, organ, like it's like, yeah, there,

I guess this is comedy.

Some of the faces that you might know and recognize a lot of great friends of ours that are in

it.

And I need to ask them a lot of questions about what it was, but a live event.

It happened live.

Where are the dual boys on it?

This seems like prime doughboys.

Oh, no, it was, it was Jason Sedacus, the Benson Boone, Rachel Billson.

It was the Bella twins from the WWE, the Phineas Phineas from Billy, I'm, yeah, like Tara

Lapinski.

What the hell?

Yeah, it is a wild ride.

Anyway, and then Staples host it.

I wonder how many people are watching that.

I don't, because you said it's long, right?

It's not, it's like a long thing.

It's an hour.

It's an hour long.

Like, it's like a full length special.

If you have peacock, just try, the opening, you're like, oh, Paul oversold this.

This is not bad.

The opening is the only part where I'm like, okay, there's something, there's a conceit

here.

And then once they get into the venue, which is the palladium, it is wild.

Wild.

Wild.

It is.

Very unsettling.

I need everyone to watch it because I can't, I live through this with Molly and, and

Wes, we did a special.

You guys don't have like trauma that you need to talk about the talk through.

We really, like, I, I, I, I, it still sits with me.

I'm like, what did I watch there?

And you know, and, and my, my, my, my radar for this, like, I'm fine.

I can watch anything.

I can do that.

This was on, on another level, something like, like, it was like, we were forced to watch

a company retreat where they're like, we got Tara Lapinski.

So she's gonna come out, talk about the current trap.

Like, oh, that's amazing.

People are going to go nuts.

It's almost like, it's almost like a, an inside out, like, you know, Gillette theater

or something like that.

Like the product would host a performance.

Right.

And you don't even get that.

Like, now you don't get the performance.

You just get like the board meeting of Gillette and some celebrities like walk through.

Right.

And, and, and it's, and it is that that same thing.

I don't know if you've ever done this.

I've definitely done this where you are, but kind of flown in.

We'll treat you nice.

We'll put you up in a, we'll pay you a little bit of money.

Just come and say, hey, everybody, I'm so excited that everything is happening for Taco

Bell.

But it's, like, we don't do that on camera.

No one knows that that ever happens.

Right.

That is like, I went to Mexico one time to sit with a bunch of people who bought the most

local advertising on FX at one point.

June and I went down and had a dinner and it was a lovely experience.

It was a fine experience.

Yeah.

But man, oh man.

This lived my life.

Okay.

I'm gonna check this out.

Like, I mean, check it out, like, at night, you know, get yourself, get yourself in whatever

zone you need to do because you need to be a little bit, you need to, I think in, in

the broad light of day, it will, it will be a soul crush.

Holy shit.

That's very funny.

A little man.

A little man.

Oh, I give you the chills just even thinking about it.

But, sorry.

I didn't need to cut you off.

No.

I love that.

I think that sounds absolutely bananas.

I can throw a couple more things into the mix.

Great.

I'll just throw out in my continuing anime obsession.

I now have just watched season one of Jujitsu Kaisen, which is, I think, phenomenal.

Like that and sentence to being a hero are two of, like, the best action shows that

I've ever seen.

Like, the fights and everything are absolutely beautiful and stunning.

Gorgeous show.

As stunning and beautiful as, like, the heartbreaking scenes of this season of free

renar.

I will say absolutely the season of this season of free ren, which I've already

mentioned, is absolutely the best season of television.

Maybe I've ever seen.

The hero of the South episode is absolutely incredible.

The documentary about screenwriter Patty Chayewski called Collector of Words is absolutely

fantastic if you care about Hollywood.

He is just such a fantastic character.

I cannot recommend that enough, as well as the documentary Paul, which I think you would

also like, which is called Brezlin and Hamill, Deadline artists, which is about the relationship

of Jimmy Brezlin and Pete Hamill, the two, like, totemic New York journalists, New York

City journalists.

And it's about their friendship.

It's about their battles with each other.

And it's also what I loved about it, which I think you would very much like about it.

It is about that period of time in New York City that is so heady and so wild.

And all of the footage is fantastic.

All of the characters are fantastic.

Oh, I love that.

I think it's on an HBO, I'm almost positive.

It's called Brezlin and Hamill, Deadline artists.

That one in the Patty Chayewski documentary, I think, are absolutely dynamite.

I love this.

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