Last Update on the Left - Episode 11 - Return to Skinwalker Ranch

I thought my belly was going away. And then I ate a sandwich and it came back. What do you mean? I was doing the workout. I thought my little belly was going away. It goes in and out. And then I ate a sandwich and it came back up again.

That's how you tell you're really thin. Yeah, that means you're like a bokeh instructor. You know, if I could see the outline of the recent lunch that you have.

B-O-T.

Oh, you got it.

Incredible. I can see the ruffles of the lettuce.

Am I talking about my belly going to be the start of this episode of last update on the left? I think it has to be.

Welcome. My name is Marcus Parks. It's me, Henry Zabrowski. And wow, it's from back here again.

Yeah, I'm at Larson and the update is Marcus now has a stomach. It's the best thing that happened to the show. I like him a little. I like you. I get comfortable.

I am comfortable. I am. I had a bagel. And then I had a sandwich. And now I got a belly because I'm a little skinny man.

Oh, guess what, man? If I have one sip of yeast, my body expands. But we're not just talking about our bodies expanding.

No, no, no. We're talking about the ever expanding coverage of this skin walk.

Now, my first question is, aren't we all skin walkers?

Because we have skin and we walk. No, but it definitely think of like a scarier actual term than something that we all do and have.

We're back and they technically comes from it's actually, it should be the SW word because it's actually an old-timey ghost racist term for humans.

Who ghosts say it to us? Yes, it is an old term.

Yes, they do because they know aliens. This fucking abandoned house is great for all these goddamn skin walkers.

Hey, I know I only died of COVID and I'm nine years old.

But hey, listen, you got to keep up with the times, Grandpa.

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

The reason why they're called skin walkers is that skin walker comes from the old Native American legend.

And I think skin walker is like the literal translation for, and I might be talking out of my ass here.

You're not thinking that it's like the literal translation of what?

The UNTABASAN people, I can't remember exactly what tribe it was.

Okay, right now the skin walker ranch just remember it was a family lived on skin walker ranch.

They would go ahead and experience and it was a 500 acre farm in the middle of UNTABASAN Utah.

It is this area of the world is known for its UFOs.

When we covered this a lot, not that long ago.

I mean, it was like six years ago, dude, Jesus Christ.

It is long. But if you go through all this stuff, like this area has years and years and years.

Of various UFO experiences that have built up over time.

And this one phenomena called the skin walker phenomena.

So at the time, I forget the name of the tribes that you lived around the UNTABASAN.

It starts with an eye.

I do know that they did have a war with Mormons that was quite blunt.

It was really brutal.

But they wouldn't go into this area of this canyon.

They would not go into this canyon because they legitimately thought it was creepy.

And a part of what they did was they called the trail of the skin walker said went through this area.

Now skin walkers are shamans, magical people that instead of taking their magical responsibility to their community

and using it responsibly in a positive way, they normally what they do is the formal tabo,

which is what Armin Mivas says, we talked about them with them.

But formal tabo, which is cannibalism, and what they do is they do some form of evil cannibalistic ritual

where they give up their own humanity in order to be able to change form into various animals

to do nefarious shit.

Essentially, it's to kill or to steal and then not be recognized.

It's to leave, but it comes with a host of other negative associations and bad juju powers.

So they turn into like dire wolves and stuff like that.

And oversized wolves is the thing that does come up quite a bit.

It's can walk a ranch.

Yeah, it's a you Indian tribe.

The you.

Yeah, that's a yeah.

That was there.

That's their name.

The two youths.

The two youths.

But it came from a fit.

But this has now been researched up and down.

It is called the most researched 500 acre plot of land in the world.

It had several different gigantic paranormal slash, not paranormal studies,

done in the area to kind of see where all these these various stories come from

and if they are true or not.

When will they stop?

They won't because they are making too much money.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think there's still so much to be learned out there.

Like I really feel like with skim walker ranch.

Like we went through it on our episode.

Like how many strange events happen there?

Like there was a like what was it bingo, the everything dog?

It was a weird ass dog that did did change into several different shapes.

It was owned by the Sherman family.

Yeah.

And they saw UFOs very similar to nope.

Like there was a lot of stuff and nope.

That was straight imagery that was taken from skim walker ranch that I thought was fucking awesome.

Yeah.

I thought it was going to go morons and you skim walker territory.

But it didn't but I still love nope.

Yeah.

Numps incredible.

But the idea of like clouds that stay still in the sky.

Yeah.

The thing that's also really weird about skim walker ranch is portals.

Same things that are opening up in the sky.

They say that they literally saw like but holes gap in the sky.

And then ships would come in and out of the but holes.

There's also giant wolves, dire wolves.

Poltergeist activity.

Poltergeist activity.

Yeah.

It was like there would be cows that would suddenly like basically teleportation where cows would suddenly be crammed into a trailer.

And nobody would know like.

Now they got mutilated.

That was super fucking weird and there's been multiple cattle mutilations.

It's also one of the top phenomena on skim walker ranch.

And there's been me cattle mutilations described in skim walker ranch going back as far as the 30s.

Yes.

Now what's the CTV situation on skim walker ranch?

Constant.

Constant.

It is.

It is filmed all over the place.

But one of also the weird phenomena is that thing cuts the cords to the cameras.

They find cords missing to pull out of the back of cameras.

Stuff that's like suspicious.

Like truly, truly suspicious.

And I listened to George nap and comb color her recently.

They wrote the original book on this subject called hunt for the skim walker ranch.

Yeah.

Now this is hunt for the skim walker, which has been around now for a minute.

There's in 2005.

I just watched that doc.

And it's I love that.

You know, I love them.

Yes.

And so the Sherman family, they were so freaked out by this.

They couldn't want to be there anymore.

And they saw a lot of fucked up shit.

Like one thing was that like a giant wolf approached the father that was like a approached

Terry Sherman and he shot at it and it didn't die ran away.

And a lot of other weird stuff.

And so they finally got sick of it.

So they sold it to the man who runs the extended stay universe and started the extended

I would say that the extended universe of the extended stay hotels.

It's Robert big.

Hello.

Yeah.

He's trying to create space hotels.

Okay.

And that's his main thing.

He's a huge, huge, well, if there's portals to space, it's a great place to start.

He owns a lot of rental property.

Yes.

Yes.

And he is a, so weird slash Republican donor, but also a very, very, a curious man who

has spent a lot of his millions of his billions researching this phenomena.

So he bought the ranch and then he put this group on it called nids.

That was the thing that he put together and what does nids stand for again?

The national institute for discovery science and they, uh, they did a very, very serious

research program there for, I want to say, it was something like 20 years they were there.

And Robert Bigelow, for forever, jalously held the data that he had control of all of

these years.

He's got a little bit here and there to keep, to keep the, the interest in the project

going.

Also because he gave money, but also Senator Harry Reid also helped get a lot of government

money applied to this area as well.

Eventually, the United States government arrived and said, so what are we getting out of

this?

And they're all like, oh, the phenomena is very interesting and they're like, uh, we're

done here.

So they cut them off.

Yeah.

Because I mean, they, as you said earlier, like they kind of created like an ex files underneath

everyone's noses, but just relegated to one 500 square, you know, like 500 acre ranch

in Utah.

Yes.

They gave them $22 million.

Correct.

They did have $22 million to work on the project.

And they found nothing.

Well, we don't know.

No, nothing inclusive.

Nothing inclusive.

Well, nothing that we necessarily know about, you have the witness testimony, which is,

this is from the original research.

There's lots of witness testimony.

There's a lot of witness.

Most of the evidence.

And a lot of what they discovered, which I do think is interesting part of what came

out with one of the weird, fun shady things that came out after the fact, a lot of the

guys that were hired security.

They essentially were used as barometers for the effects of the ranch, whether they knew

it or not.

Yeah.

So a lot of the times it found out that the call was coming from inside the house is that

the measurements that they were using were coming from the humans that were there in their

reactions to the phenomenon.

Well, who else is going to know?

Well, that's, we asked me the people that are there.

But you have to, but you have to tell them, hey, that's why you're here.

And they weren't telling these guys, hey, this is why you're here.

I mean, it's the same type of shit that the government has been doing for years upon

years, where, you know, like the time they dumped a whole bunch of like fake poison to

the water supply or they did what was the mist in San Francisco?

To see how far a, a, a realized, an aerosolized, whatever the term is, basically, a virus by

how a biological agent could possibly move along a coastline.

Yeah.

It's just really nearly with essentially a quote unquote harmless bacteria to see what

it would do.

So I got 16.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Something like it was basically to see if an aerosolized anthrax attack would work.

And they found out that it did, but they also killed two people doing it.

Yeah.

They had a bad reaction to the test shit, but yeah, this type of stuff happens quite often.

They also did it in Edward, which we're going to be doing an update.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, after talk, we talked to George nap and Jeremy Corbell, right?

And I'm not a skeptical as much, but I just don't get it.

I don't feel like there's that much actual evidence because it's more examining how difficult

it is to know how to capture the evidence.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, that might actually be a good way of putting it is that it's a study on

how to study this stuff, you know, that it's an experiment on how to experiment because

they're trying to figure it because that's one of the things that paranormal activity or

paranormal research has really struggled with over the years is what are the, how do we

quantify this stuff?

Yes.

How do we, how do we measure this stuff?

Because guess what you can't get unless you can quantify the stuff, government funding

for your research programs.

Yeah.

Nor can you get any academic institution to take you seriously, unless you have some sort

of quantifier.

Yes.

If you have some way of classifying, and I think skin walker ranch is, that's a big part

of what they're trying to do.

I feel like this $22 million, in my opinion, was just like, shut up money, you know,

like, this is not real money to invest in a fucking, like, a true investigation.

Right.

Because the other half, they make like a romantic comedy for $22 million.

That's true.

It's true.

It's true.

The government scale.

Well, it's because Robert Bigelow was also self-funding.

Yeah.

So one half was coming from the government and the rest was coming from the never ending

cash flow, Robert Bigelow, until he finally offloaded the ranch, and when he offloaded

the ranch was kind of when we stopped covering, was 2016, and then the book had come out,

we had did hunt for the skin walker.

And at that point, we had covered with, when we did our episodes, we talked about various

stories that happened on the ranch, and we talked about how we knew that because it came

from hunt for the skin walker.

And which I do find one of my favorite things now after one thing I learned was that George

NAP originally was not super pleased that we had done a show using his book because he

was like, he had heard these group of jokers were talking about his, his fucking, that's

his bait.

That was one of his babies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like George NAP is truly one of the most in the end.

I think we'll be named one of the most important men in ufology because if it's singular

dedication to the proper investigation of these bringing an air of legitimacy to the

investigations of all of this type of and not backing down and like ever, you know, because

he knows that it like makes him look crazy and he doesn't give a shit.

But guess what?

He's hardcore and he's still one awards.

He still does crime reporting.

He still does all his other investigative journalism.

I feel like you have to to make yourself legitimate enough to get funding for this.

He came after, he went after mobsters.

He did stuff on the Las Vegas mayor that went to jail like he's done a lot of shit like

I love George NAP.

Yeah.

So when I found out that he was angry, we're all like, oh, no, oh God, what we're going

to do until he listened and then he listened and he said, oh, you guys did some of the work.

Well, I would try and Mr. NAP.

We said that we went a different way with it.

Yeah.

We had it.

He appreciated it.

And so you guys got to talk to him at a contact in the desert and you know, got to have

a great conversation with him.

But it's very cool.

But the thing about him is that the more I talk, I hear him talk, the more I at least

buy that what he brought to the table was extremely honest.

And he believes because like, there's a lot of talk about Robert Bigelow, trashing the

records of what happened during the NIDs investigation of the hunt for the skinwalker during

that hunt for the skinwalker time period.

And George NAP, like many times I said, we are book writing.

It is that is the record.

That is what Bigelow had.

Bigelow probably has that none of us have seen is probably a couple of choice pictures,

which is again, what we've learned is these guys either don't have them or they use that

as a cudgel against many people to be like, you can't get it.

But the word is, of course, what did I get you funding?

I don't know.

I actually don't know anymore because if he goes out, because this is what now this

is an interesting phenomenon that we're at now in the post post informational world is

that if let's say you have a great picture of a UFO and you, you do have one and you

are the sky.

Robert Bigelow vaguely shady, but you know, technically a hotelie, it could be anything

if you have it, but you might have a picture of Bonko, the everything dog.

If you got a massive wolf, you might have a picture, something that will make the world

stand up and say, whoa, so one of the worst things that you could do is release that, have

everyone come out and be like, oh my God, have it earth chatter, right?

Like, let's say I was like, oh my God, this crazy picture.

And then let's say somebody does a hit job on it.

Like I just, like just as the total nightmare scenario, someone does a hit job on the photo,

does everything possible to try to show that it's debunked.

Now you've given this guy a bunch of money on his, the, the, the back of this incredible

release of information, the information is now debunked.

You now got to get the money back from this asshole.

You got to do it.

So no one wants to do it.

No one wants to finally put that last piece out because what if then my last piece, everybody

just fucking doesn't even believe it.

Of course, that's going to happen.

Oh, yes.

And it's not only that, but by saying I have this photo, I have this last piece, people will

still pay attention to you.

People.

Oh, yes.

People will still give you, you know, people will still invite you to things.

People will still do interviews with you.

But if you give everything that you got, then it's like, okay, well, we got everyone

got from that guy.

Don't have to talk to him anymore.

So when we recovered skin walker ranch, like at the time, too, it was still very mysterious.

And so it was, it was a mysterious place.

And a lot of the TV show had not happened.

No, it did not become a part of like, you know, the zeitgeist as it sort of is now.

We're basically, everyone knows what skin walker ranch is now that we covered it.

It was still very under the radar mysterious.

Can we go?

No.

No, I don't want to go.

I don't know.

I know he's not wanting to go, but like, are we allowed to go?

I think that you can take tours, but you have to know somebody by invitation.

Yeah.

Yes.

You have to know somebody.

I was, I got, I got some flirts going on.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

A couple of old men.

Okay.

That's my favorite.

Because I didn't give them something they don't got no more.

It's barely not a bunch of attractive young ladies.

No, it's never.

Yeah, it's never weird, right?

Yeah.

It's never a girl named Valentina who's also an Instagram model like, it's never heard.

It's always work.

You know, I think it's always a guy like, I can't, I can't hear you, you know about rocks.

Like, oh, great.

I can't.

I can't hear you.

Robbie Williams.

Love Robbie Williams.

But, no, I don't want to go to Schemacher and the reason I don't want to go to Schemacher

Ranch is because it's something that we discovered after covering the ranch on the main

feed is the Hitchhiker effect.

Not that.

I am terrified of this.

Hitchhiking goes.

Hitchhiking goes.

Like your favorite.

Yes.

Hitchhiking goes.

It's not like that.

It seems like it.

No, no.

Hitchhiking goes give you audio moon diseases unless you're fucking them without a condom.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Alright.

We covered it back in the day.

We'll kind of go a little bit more about what has expanded since then.

Since then, George Nap wrote a book with two guys.

Two sexy guys named James Lakatsky.

and Kolmkeller her. Now James Likatsky is a former intelligence officer defense guy that was so spooked by what happened to him after he went to skinwalker ranch that he decided it was enough for him to tell these guys what he knew because he was like he basically was like I want to go see it.

And he went with Kolmkeller her and George nap and scared the living fuck out of him and then weirdly also semi ruined his life after the fact and so they wrote skinwalkers at the pentagon and I'm just gonna tell you now you should go buy it and read it and it is not like it's not Game of Thrones. Sure, you know, but it is a really interesting investigation into how to talk to these guys about something none of them want to talk to and one of the main components that came

out was really breaking down what the New York Times got wrong in December 2017 when it named a tip it named a couple of these inner groups and they were wrong.

Yeah, the big the 2017 articles when it was the first time in modern history that a major publication has given UFOs or UAPs as it were the time of day.

Yes, but they were incorrect without their following the money of where the actual because Luella Zondo sort of put himself he's Luella Zondo was the man that released help leak this UFO material to the New York Times in December of 2017.

He worked for a thing called a tip which was up this inner group with in the I believe it's the Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, nautical.

Aryan. No, not anymore. A tip is no part of the Pentagon at the very least, right?

Advanced aerospace threat identification program now what they were supposed to do was look at things in the sky figure out whether or not there were weirdly anomalous figure out whether or not there were

Triner or us and whether or not we could do whatever that they were doing and turned it into weaponry for us. Now Luella Zondo came out and said, oh, I'm the leader of this group.

We now kind of know that it's probably not the case. He's probably was a guy somewhere within it who man, but he has now done

Since a lot of good work trying to get this stuff out that we can see so that we can see some of it because the main

Contention is all right. We don't know what it is the government doesn't know what it is, but it's not hurting us yet

And that's what they're really afraid of but still like why can't we know about it turned out it's actually a lot more complicated than that.

So a tip with this book then talks about has how a tip was moved to a thing called all sap

Which is you like this?

This is our life. Hey man. I'm get I gave this one over it. Well, I didn't actually give this one over to you

No, I have just sort of yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz I tried taking like I try to want it back. Do you want this back?

No, please, please continue. So the

System applications program. No, now we're locked in. Now we're locked in. I can't wait. I'm letting you finish this thought. Yeah, absolutely

But what we're really seeing is so I'm just kind of the main points of the book

Do the advanced airspace weapons system applications program is the next version of this that is actually would got the 22 million dollars

That is the thing that was all like and that was one thing that this the the investigative book pro proved was like it followed the money

And it kind of untangled a bunch of stuff that the New York Times accidentally tangled up for a lot of people

Because immediately people went looking for a tip. They couldn't find it. They found a thing called all sap

They thought that like, oh, this is all this information, but they showed these are the

Technically very tedious differences. Yeah, now who is organization? Can I who is boss

Bass big low aerospace studies. That's Robert big low's personal aerospace technology

That's his guy, right? So in the other thing that the new book comes out is explains this concept of the Hitchhiker phenomena

And really why truly at the core that of our US government's hesitancy to

Research any of this stuff and it's because of the religious angle and because of this Hitchhiker effect

Yeah, well basically what the Hitchhiker effect is that most people who go to skim walker ranch

And in some cases like some pools of questioning every single person that they questioned after they went to skim walker ranch brought something

Home with them and what that something is

No one really knows all they know is that it is

Paranormal activity that manifests itself in many different ways some people it manifests itself in disembodied voices

Some people it manifests as moving objects like poltergeist activity other people

They see blue orbs that will just suddenly appear in their house and one person had a blue orb

He said it moved through him and very soon after he developed a very aggressive form of cancer and died

But did he die?

Well, I'm not sure if he died, but I do not the guy who the blue orb was not dying

Not sick, but he got he got a very aggressive form of cancer and some people even see shadow monsters

Not monsters, but you know shadow people almost dangerous form of ghosts. Did you know that? That's what I hear according Ed Warren

The shadow months. Yes, the most dangerous form of ghosts and in fact the biggest thing though is that these you know

Hitchhiker's and you know these people that you know these this phenomenon that makes people sick

Robert Bigelow

It's speculated that the reason why he sold skim walker ranch is because he believed that skim walker ranch one of these Hitchhikers

He believes it killed his wife because she died of a very aggressive form of leukemia very quickly

Did she die on the ranch? No, but does anyone died on the ranch? We don't know well

Yeah, but actually it's a better answers. We don't know

Okay, I know because there's was an Indian burial ground

Well, yeah

I mean the whole Indian burial ground thing is if I may say a bit of a racist idea

That was put forth like that's when we'll talk about it

You know a little bit when we do our amityville update

But the whole idea of the Indian burial ground that was sort of created around the time of amityville like

Out of some other like piece of media

But they were trying to come afterwards because they had mounds in amityville

That's the reason why they tried to attach it to the what it was a Native American burial grounds and even that with spite

Dumber than that but like the the shittacook tribe came out and said like

We don't do that

No, he's just like why would our spirits cut like he's like why would our spirits come back and haunt you our spirit

We don't believe in that sort of thing that's not that's not what we're about

You know just to say like you know, and then you know buried on an Indian burial ground became just kind of a

Term like a joke

Yeah, that goes back like they're more evil it goes back to the old like whole like savage idea

Like the they're more evil than we are the more savage than we are therefore like we can you know

They're going their ghosts are gonna be meaner

Yeah, but of course, you know poltergeist if those ghosts are saying yeah, but you move the head thumbs

Those are just plain old white folk and we do that all the time

He happens way more than you think it does. I got a problem with it. I think I'm gonna throw waste of space

We all we talked about

But truly the

Interesting because what also the skin walkers at the pentagon

Regally elucidates is kind of what we're coming up against one thing that was interesting that I learned was that

There was a period of time where Robert Bigelow's bass

Whatever that the offices were whatever you'd call that

They were supposedly and you can take this with a fucking mountain of salt

They were told at some point during their contract prepare for a shipment of this what they called exotic materials

So there's a period of time where apparently they were preparing

To move something that they had inside of some hangar somewhere that they didn't know what it was

And they were about to give it to Robert Bigelow for him to research and then it just never happened

And then it seems and I again, I'm all of this is on the

To me the the believability of Georgian app

Which is he went looking and the more and more he would bounce against what seems to be the

Major major big big secret which is that they got something

And we don't know who's in charge of the thing it legitimately might be

Like a construction company

It legitimately might be something that's outside of the government parade like thing all together that there is

There is somebody that is holding on to something they found. This is according to them

That's one. That's the one big secret and the second big big big secret

Which is I which was pointed towards

I don't know if I should even say this secret information

Sources I can't reveal

This is what they all say

I think you're just enjoying finally being able to do this now I can say it now you can do it

I got some inside information as well

Yeah, because I know don't reveal your sources, but what is it? Yeah, Dr.

Theodore

Soose that's your source

That's my source

Bad you know why because they are fucking spoils

Yeah, we're pulsing it, but um was it was it a blue fish that did this?

It was a three fish, but the actually it's gonna race us to call the two fish

But I it is the fact that they whatever it is is making us very sick

And that what the people having contact with any form of the quote-unquote phenomena is making people get something not

Like long cope it getting something not

some kind of autoimmune

Disease that is really hurting people and they don't know what the hell it is because it's not radiation poisoning

It's something else but nothing's happened in nap. He's been there a bunch of times

But naps says that he brought back shit to his own house and he says that's the reason why he'll never go back

You don't like go back. It's gonna. Oh really? Yes. He's done. He's done

He says he's done because he said the last time he came back shit started moving around his house

And then his wife

Started seeing things and he said I got to stop going, but his house is all spooky shit

He's not he's the opposite. He says to me. According to what he's just an investigator. Yeah, he's like this is not his life

He's that he tried to explain that to me. He's just been like I'd rather be anywhere else like

Basically, he much rather

He much rather be hanging out with like Lebron James. He should have been a sports reporter

Just for his own life

Yeah, but he just likes a long cigar and a tall glass of scotch. Yeah, and the rad peck. Yep. He does

Well, I mean, I can see his point because you know what Robert Bigelow and an interview that he gave to George

And app in like 2021 like Robert Bigelow says and a couple of people have confirmed this like the the shit

That people bring back from skim walker ranch. It's again sort of like long covid

There's no set expiration date on it. It's not like you come back you experience stuff for a week and then it's done

Some people have been experiencing things for years years upon years that it just doesn't stop and as far as they know

It's going to keep happening for the rest of their lives. It's just never going to stop for them

If it's never going to stop then why not keep going back to try to figure out what the fuck it is to try and stop it

More bill. Yeah, you get more dude. Then you go back nothing going back is stopping it

And that that's a part of the main issue with all of the research is that we really haven't gotten anywhere

Which tech technically brings us to the secret of skim walker ranch

The craziest thing about that you say why don't people go back and try to figure it out

Is it a lot of these people that come back with something

When they go to skim walker ranch when they've gone to skim walker ranch. They experienced nothing

Yeah, nothing they experienced not a single fucking thing. They're like, I don't know what the big deal is

This is just you know, there's just some place in Utah

And it's only after they go home that they experience very real

Phenomenon

That was my problem with all the the docs that I watched is like it's just a bunch of people walking around a field

Yeah

As you're seeing more and more with the paranormal world it's subtle

And that what you're seeing is an actual paranormal investigation not led by somebody like the warrants

Even though technically it is being sold it's being sold to us as a mysterious thing

But it sounds like whatever is happening at skim walker ranch

Like the way that George nap described it is that by the end of the nids run

In twenty sixteen activity had all but stopped

Like but a time they had gotten to the end of their scientific

Like whatever that round was they'd like no one was seeing jack shit ever

Nothing was happening nothing with nothing fun nothing weird and then what happened was that

They gave it a break which is kind of what we talked about on side stories

Remember we talked about how they talk about the UK is running out of ghosts yes

And they were seeing this concept which is interesting that they're

That ghost hunters are talking about less fate famous ghosts are not showing up anymore

I like that the ones that poorly rectory. Yeah, that they're going in a partially

I don't want to have it or hell or whatever

They finally get destroyed by all the fucking electricity

Something happened or battery ran out and it does sound like what happened is that people skim walker ranch got like

Burn out

Yeah, I'm being

Explored and it did not want to be fucking investigated anymore and it's everything stopped

But then the next guy bought the skin walker ranch like essentially who that is we do now okay

Yeah, we know it Brandon Fugel. Yes is his name real estate cartoon speaks in movie references. Oh, he is such a pain in the end

He's gonna build like a hotel there

No, I mean he's there for the paranormal. Yeah, he really is yeah, he really is there for the paranormal like he's and I think it's

I think he it seems like he likes it because I mean this man wants his life to be a movie

Yeah, I mean he owns a fucking you know endoskeleton from Terminator 2 like he owns like the fucking t800

Like he owns the fucking glasses from Harry Potter. He specifically drives the Lamborghini that they uh

That Bruce Wayne drives in the dark night begins and that was at that

Yeah, one then he pulls into the restaurant with the models. Yeah, he bought that Lamborghini

The screen used what he doesn't drive it on the dirt roads out in skin walker doesn't I mean, I didn't see if you're responsible

Do nuts and skin walker ranch in Batman's Lambo

So is anything happened to this guy? Uh, not that we know uh, well, he said that no, he's of straight

He's a straight experience. Well, I mean, well anything bad at happening. Yeah, that's what I would say. Yeah, he did see a UFO

Yes, he did see that he saw like a full silver desk and broad daylight. Yeah, he's an experienced her and it changed his mind because for a while

He had just bought it to have it

So when he found out it was for sale he flipped out because he's a pop culture or and he really wanted to get his

And he's hands on something that he could

Fucking tell hold the world he has like how cool I am look what I have just in a sheer curiosity. How much was it?

I think he was a four million

I have more six million. Yeah, it was a lot

But he he already owned like a ton of property in Utah. He was sort of like he was a real estate

Magnate and uh in Utah. Yeah, no name. I know this sounds irresponsible

I'm probably answering my own question as I ask it

But why not make it into like a fucking theme park

Like that's how we're really going to find out

You know

Fucking people and see if they all go home and can't start

But I feel like that's a hard way to start

I feel like everyone's getting angry about getting ghost cancer because they would do what a roller coaster

I know they sign a waiver. I could get ghost cancer

Is that wrong? Actually everyone who goes on skim walker ranch does have to sign a waiver saying I might get ghost cancer

They do every single person who enters the property has to sign a waiver saying like I understand that I may suffer adverse facts

From visiting this place. Yeah, do not hold the owners or anyone who goes with me responsible for anything that may happen to me

On or off the ranch afterwards. Yeah, man. They're already sign the fucking waivers

So I don't think we're going to get real statistics until we start putting real numbers in there

That's what that but that's what they tried to do with government like they did have a fair amount of people in there

And this with this fucking TV show there's people in and out of there all the time

Yeah, there are people in and out all the time now

And so for a while there was just government guys watching the outside exterior and it was empty

And they were talking about that they was a people would get kicked in and out

And eventually when when Fugel bought it

He's like he was just kind of had it for a while

And it's only for a while at first

He wasn't expecting to do anything with it

He wanted his name to be secret

He did not want to be identified with the property because he was like he didn't want to get a rat

He didn't want to think if people ask him about it all the time

Um, you know, he's like, you know, I give you my name you tell your friends. They tell your other friends

You don't want to talk about it exactly

But he was also this whole time

He was also doing the monitoring, you know

He was he wanted to figure out like he kind of took the mantle from Begalow as far as the investigation goes

So he did not he didn't even though he's just a real estate guy who likes movies. Yeah, yeah

He didn't buy it just to have it. He was continuing. He carried the torch

Yeah, you wanted it you wanted this responsibility, but in six months into the ownership

He said that he was in the command center, which was the old homestead for those guys

We like we're not gonna be explaining every single

Barn in the middle of the place. Thank you

And he was seeing some of there was some people there quote unquote

He's according to him visiting dignitaries, which is probably dead new gin

Robbie Williams

Yeah, yeah again always

I'm gonna say grimes

Get grimes I could see grimes hanging out there

Fred Durst

We could say this now. Probably he was a contact in the desert. We we couldn't find him. Yeah, man

Yeah, I saw him though. We did see him once. Yeah, it looks good. Hey, look great. I like old man Fred Durst

It's awesome. He's doing real well with it. He really is now

But then he said that according to Fugel that he was at the old homestead

He was on his way back to the homestead

Yes, and he said first he looked in his line of sight

He saw an object in the sky was a full this 40 to 50 feet long

It hovered in broad daylight and then he said that it just

blinked away

Disappeared in a second and he said that it changed his whole life and by then the history channel

Okay, McCollum

By 2018 his ranch manager started getting calls from history channel producers

They wanted to collaborate on a TV show Fugel reluctantly agreed

Reluctantly so long as they signed the NDA

And during their launch one of the producers asked for he was a believer. He said I'm not a believer

I'm an experiencer. Yeah, dude. Uh, he said he had three conditions. Nothing could be faked

They had to use his team his people. They could history channel couldn't bring in their own people

Like what his like own his cameraman and his researchers. No, his researchers. Oh

I got a grip

My grip the only deaf sound man

He's great. He's a funny guy

What

No, his researchers his doctor, you know, his PhD guys his paranormal guys and he also had the condition that they not reveal his identity

But history channel people smartly said like yeah, okay, first two points great

We won't make anything. We'll use your I'm sure they went and interviewed the dudes and like okay

These guys are they may not be you know the pond stars

But they're entertaining enough

How dare you insult dragon

Well, I mean, they're great, but you know, do they have a chumley? No, they don't have a bottle. They don't have a chumley

They have an old man. No, no, no, no, they have concerts is by far better reality show

All right, I understand there's more paranormal activity that happens at pond stars and it's happening all of search risk and walk a ranch

But still I'm I don't begrudge it. Yeah, I don't begrudge it either, but on the third point they're like no

You got to be a character. We have to know who owns this place if you want to take this

But if you want to take this if you want to be on TV you got to be on to TV

Yeah, if you want people to take this investigation seriously like you can't just we can't just have some unnamed guy

Owning the rat. Yeah, because in the Corbell documentary

They shot him like he was Dr. Clough from expector catch

I missed that

Did more of that I wish he understood how much more fun that is like if you walked around with the fucking like mask on

That's so much more fun. Yeah, he's just petting an alien

Yeah

But so secret just can walk a ranch that way it's but basically this guy and all of his buddies or like former colleagues like

Dragon dragon Bryant dragon Arnold which dragon doesn't like the name dragon. I will say at first

I did I was laughing, but now I understand that it was a joke

First I laughed because he had like too much booze on his breath

No, it was because there was a guy so according to lore before the they took over for the show

There was security officers often on the the skin walker ranch that were hired by Robert Bigelow

And there was one guy that was a fucking asshole that they called the dragon that used to threaten people with like shoot them in the head and shit

And then eventually enough people asked this dude who was the fake head of security because it was

The Fugel's buddy they come to it and they kept asking him is he the dragon of old and they just started ironically calling him dragon and then it stuck

Yeah, well, they put a picture someone was like yeah, here's dragon and dragon you fucking dragon your dragon now fuck you your dragon

I don't like being dragon fuck you your dragon. Yeah, he's angry that he's dragon

That's the Fugel brought the property someone visited and met this guy and I was like oh, so you're dragon

And he's like no, but I'm not but they were like fuck you your dragon now. Yes, what I think

Barbecue restaurant

The mutilated cow

Dragon mutilated cow

Well, dragons mutilated cows at the very least to dry

Just call it cattle mutilations

That's why he fucking once a week now I'm down. I'm down on the red meat

Yeah, but although dragon he does carry a 12 gauge shotgun with him everywhere you go everywhere you go

Because you never know what's gonna happen. We're out in the middle of nowhere. Star Wars

Yeah, then you get the ranch manager Jim Morse

He was Jim was like few Fugel's like first big developer client like way way way back in the day

And of course like you know Jim just seemed like okay. This is the right guy for the job

Yes, you know, he's the only one of the cast to claim that he's seen an actual skin walker on the ranch. Okay

Then you got Eric Bard. He's the principal investigator of the normal guy. He's fine

You know

Did you watch any of the show? Um, I don't think I watch there's so many shows. I don't think I watch the right one

So interesting

Now there are two shows I but it is interesting. I watched the one that was on Netflix that only has season two. Yes, that's all you need

You're fine. I think I think you watched the wrong one. Yeah

Yeah, the doc is the best the best that's the best on the wide show. It's like they try they really really try they really do

I couldn't get far into that the Netflix show they got a guy named Dr. Travis

Um, yeah, Dr. Travis is the technically he's the handsome skeptic. Yeah, but he's now a believer

He was in a show from 2011 to 2012 called Rocket City Rednecks

Yeah, and that was about him his father his brother-in-law his best friend and his nephew

Satinoff Rockens. Yeah, he's got a star power. He's got good hair blowing up

Boone shine just to learn basically

He's got good hair. He looks good. Well, they could tell the history of rocketry

It's like the reason why we build this rocket. This goes back to the V2. Oh wait. We can't talk about the V2 never mind

Not gonna be really they're not well actually, but uh, speaking of the V2 his father did build satellites at Wiley

Laboratories under Werner Vombron

No one comes out clean

So he probably didn't know quite a bit about the V2 but going back to

SkinWonkers at the Pentagon

Travis Taylor

He was the guy maybe we can wrap up on this. He also knew the mysterious Axel Ross. Yeah, Axel

This is October rain. Yeah

No, how dare you? He's an important man. I'm truly one of my single fav in February snow

Oh

Chisika listen to my uncle do these horrible

This is one of my single favorite images

From the skinwalker ranch book. I love this. I love this idea. So according to George nap now George nap

He does a good job of always being like hey

I hear a lot of ridiculous things. I just report the shit the first thing that caught him and Colin Kelley and her got into a lot of trouble for

This is true when they were talking from

SkinWonkers at the Pentagon. It's the dyno beavers

Beavers' size of dinosaurs

Then according to Colin Kelley, he saw

And so that was when he got a lot of shit for but one of the other things that he got shit for was this story

Which I love which is he talked to a guy was a federal employee with Axel

A man by the name of Axel Ross. Went by the name of Axel Ross. Yeah, he was an Axel Ross

According to her so I'm doing the big low era the experience phenomena inside of their home after they left

Witnessed by his wife as well. She witnessed what could only be described as a wolf

Standing on its hind legs in their backyard

Leading against the tree

What if it's Paws cross across the chest like it's looking a cigarette

Yeah

They talk about Axel Ross is dropped by several different things the Axel Rod is a guy's it

But it's just a part of the mystery here

With the fuck's happening. Yeah, Dr. Travis that he said he's made experiments with the scientific instruments and Axel Rod's house

And this is actually interesting is that there have been simultaneous events within a micro second of each other

Taking place in Axel Rod's house

Dr. Travis's house and a house on SkinWonker Ranch

Okay, many people in Dr. Travis knows have had blue orbs and other things in their home and a neighbor of Axel Rod

He's that was the guy who developed a very dangerous form of cancer right afterwards a guy was just over at Axel Rod's house

But he's blue orb flew through him and all of a sudden fuck I got cancer. It seems like it also

attacks women

Like does like the wives back home. It attacks everyone

It sure that knows that you shouldn't be in love if you like UFOs. Yeah

They attacks wives. It attacks children. It attacks anybody that's in the house really

So what does Natalie say about you trying to go to SkinWonker Ranch? She'd love it. She loves this

Oh, yeah, she wants to go she wants to go. Yeah, of course. Oh, no, we want to go

All right. Oh, no, we ain't afraid to know UFOs. I ain't afraid no ghost cancer. Yeah, I'm getting in there

Now I'm gonna wear a fucking blood vest. I don't think that's gonna help. Why not? It's not like that. We should go in

Let this let hat right go in protect ourselves against vibes. I don't think it's gonna work. Could be magnets

Yeah, it could be magnet. No, no, I'm not saying there's natural magnet deposit

It's one of the big things that the TV show that they kind of looking for and one also the thing that does happen in the TV show

That they keep trying to do is that people get things happen to people who dig on the land. Yeah, so they have the one guy

That they send out to go dig and then bad shit happens to him. I was practicing the ground every time I throw a magnet in the air

Close right back to the ground. Yeah

Yeah, there's many guy. Yeah, Thomas Winterton

He's the guy who keeps digging

And he keeps having accidents and like he's got like this thing on his head

He's like got this fluid that keeps fucking like building up at a bump on his head

He keeps getting a drain. Anytime he talks about digging the fluid starts building up again

Like it's just it's like skin walk around. It's just it's one of the weirdest places on earth. It's still really is

It's just weird. It's a weird place where weird shit happens and that's that that's the most update. We can possibly do

Yeah, the only thing I wonder you taught trying. Yeah, it's interesting. It is but it is for me

Well, it is so old that a triangle base is a basin, but it's like it's

It's amazing to think that it's gotten so much coverage

This was extremely a secret

Untrodden place for thousands of years and now it's everywhere

Millions of people know about skin walker ranch and the activity that happens in skin walker ranch

And still we know nothing and I think that's and it's one thing that it

It shows is that we're we're ever we're interested and people want it to be real

They want it to be real and it's hard to pin down

And I think that's one of the main

Well, you were talking about it said it's hard because you're watching all the stuff

You want something to come out of it, but it's never gonna give it to you. Yeah, it's never gonna ever ever

Give it to you. It doesn't want you to have it

It's not seems like there's nothing there. It's because it's honestly if it I'm I don't know

I know that it's it is makes total sense to say that there's nothing there

But it's more like it doesn't want you to have it

The way ever is there it doesn't want you to have it and it's not yours to have really stop putting cows there

No, man. They like it. That's what they're dinner. I think we just don't know how to record it

I think I think there's there's absolutely something there

And people are probably yelling at us and saying that we're dumb or whatever already

But I still die

I'm not going to use a fucking I'm not going to use a camera to take a picture of an atom

You know, but like it's not the right tool

It's like cameras made out of Adam's

There you go

But today is that we can use it, you know, like I'm not going to take a camera to take a picture of bacteria

But I can use a microscope to take a picture of bacteria and we had the we had the abilities to take pictures of people long before

We had the abilities to take pictures of bacteria

And I think we're just in that same

We're in that same technology like

Afs a weird

Technology

We need to be developing better cameras or different cameras

But we do that unless we spend the money to go do it which requires us to waste

22 million dollars of tax money in order to go and try to make something that might record something that would let them get more money

Maybe yep. Yeah, everyone if there's a lot. You know, there's a lot. There's a lot going on here

But yes, yeah, so I just believe god damn George nap. Yeah

So I believe and he the way he talked about it. I believe him

I believe that he doesn't want to go back

I believe that he said that what he when he was coming up against was far far bigger than when he

Uh

Is allowed to talk about and that he also has private information that he can't share

But it's the kind of stuff that keeps his hair white

According to him. You tell me his hair can go back

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