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Hi guys, welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette Presents.

This is Till Death Do Us Part,

where we talk about husbands who off their wives

and wives who take out their husbands.

I'm Emily Simpson.

I'll be your host today and my co-host.

Shane.

Okay, before we start, we were just having a conversation

before we started recording,

so I feel like maybe we should just continue it.

Just a little bit of things that have been in the news lately

is the cornhole player,

and we were just talking about that,

and I was saying to you,

I don't know what cornhole is.

And you said...

It's a sport.

No, that's not what you said.

It's a sport.

You have a beanbag and you toss it across the way,

and you try to get it in the hole.

There's different points.

How is that a sport?

I thought this was just something that,

when I showed up at a barbecue,

when I was a kid...

I was cheer a sport,

when there's no team that are cheering.

Oh my gosh, really?

Because it's so athletic,

and it's so skilled,

that is a sport.

You don't think there's skill in cornhole?

I feel like it's just something

you do in your back heart.

There's guards.

There's guards during a barbecue.

There's darts, is that a sport?

Okay, it makes no sense to me

that cheer is not considered a sport

that would be in the Olympics,

but cornhole...

Is cornhole in the Olympics?

I don't know, I'm asking you.

No, I don't think so.

You don't think so.

Anyway, all right, so I just wanted to touch...

There's the news story of the guy

who is a quadruple amputee,

but he's also a cornhole, like a champion,

and he's in the news for murder.

So anyway, we were just discussing that,

but we're gonna talk about that later,

in another episode,

but I just want to bring it up

because it's on current events,

and I didn't know what cornhole was.

Oh, okay.

So, do you have...

That's it.

You just throw bean bags into a hole.

Yes.

And that's, and he's the champion.

Yeah, I'm guessing.

I'm guessing the bean bags didn't have beans in them originally.

They probably had like kernels or something.

Oh, and that's why it's called cornhole.

I'm just guessing.

All right, well anyway,

let's move on to what we were going to talk about today,

which is, we're gonna talk about the Corey Richens trial.

Now, we did an episode on Corey Richens a few months back.

So if you have not listened to it,

you can find that episode

where we go more in depth into the murder,

but I wanted to do an update on the tepys.

This is the case that took place in Columbus, Ohio.

It was the husband and wife

that were murdered in their home

by allegedly the ex-husband of the wife, remember?

He's like the medical doctor.

Oh, and he was far removed from her for a long time.

They didn't have kids together.

They weren't tied together in any way.

It was almost randomly like he showed up four years later

or something, eight years later.

So there have been some updates.

So saying it's a murder in Ohio

doesn't narrow it down very much.

I know, I know.

We've talked about this before

because I'm a big fan of forensic files.

And if you ever watch forensic files episodes,

now that I'm saying this to you,

if you watch forensic,

there's actually forensic files one and two,

but if you watch them,

for some reason the majority of the cases take place in Ohio.

So anyway, this is another case in Ohio.

So this is Spencer and Monique Tepi.

So according to the coroner's findings,

so this is what the new update is,

is that the medical examiner's report

has just come out recently and has been made public.

So originally, I believe the report was

that he was shot once and she was shot once.

And I'm not sure why that information came out

because it's not accurate now

that the medical examiner's report has come out.

So according to the coroner's findings,

39-year-old Monique suffered a gunshot wound

to the right cheek and a total of nine gunshot injuries.

So it's much more severe than they were initially reporting.

Okay.

Several of those wounds were to her torso,

including three to the chest.

The report also noted a greenish bruise on her left calf

and her cause of death was attributed

to multiple gunshot wounds affecting the head,

torso and limbs,

resulting in extensive internal and structural damage.

But do we need to know all the information?

I mean, as a layperson, it's like she was shot and killed.

Do we need to know medically, like how?

Yes, we need to know.

Yeah, because now we have more information about this case

that I'm telling you initially it was reported

that they were shot once.

But how does it help with this criminal case?

It doesn't help, but just, well, first of all,

it just gives us more things to talk about.

She was shot nine times.

To me, that is a big difference between being shot once

and being shot nine times.

Nine times is an overkill.

Nine times is rage.

Nine times is for revenge or hate or like there's something

more than I just want these people dead.

Yeah, I figure if you kill me, it would probably be more than nine times.

It would be way more than nine times.

The report further stated that Spencer, this is her husband,

was shot seven times, hitting the torso, the chest,

his extremities, and a fatal hand to the head.

Does that mean you had a reload too?

Yeah, in order to, I don't know what kind of gun he had,

but if he had a reload, like he was like,

okay, I'm not done with you and he adds more bullets

and they shoot some more.

I'm just, yeah.

Like let's say it was a six shooter.

I have no idea.

Let's say it was a six shooter.

He shot her six times, reloaded, shot her three times,

shot him three times, reloaded,

and then shot another four times.

Right, and that's the discussion.

That's what I'm talking about.

This is more than just someone that's snuck into their house

and wanted them dead.

This is someone that had, like to me, this is a rage killing.

And to be able to shoot someone in the head,

and then you're shooting the extremities,

and is that cause they're trying to get away

and you shoot some in the leg and the arms?

And I don't know.

Anyway, I guess it comes down to motive

because like we were talking about earlier,

where this ex-husband was very far removed

from their life, at least that's the way it looked.

They even divorced.

Even distance, right?

Right, right.

You traveled a long way to get there.

They were married like a short period.

Very short period.

And they went their separate ways.

And I think she even walked away and gave him the house.

If I remember, that's what we talked about earlier.

It wasn't even like there was contention

as far as her taking all the assets or anything.

I think she was just like, you can have it.

I'm gonna leave.

So where are this rage comes from?

You can have the gun too.

I'm out of here.

Yeah.

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No.

We were talking about this the other day.

You know, people say, oh, I googled that person or something.

I don't Google, I like to Zillow people.

Like if I have someone's address, if I'm guilty of this,

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If I get invited to a party or I get an invite for a party

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what it looks like, what the inside looks like.

If they rent, if they own, I'm a Zillow person.

Yeah, not because you judge people.

You're just curious.

I'm just curious, I just wanna know.

Not judgements here.

No.

So the house is for sale, it's on Zillow.

The property is a four-bedroom, four-bathroom house

with over 25 minutes.

What's his matter?

Were they murdered in the house?

Yes.

Oh, they were, I thought it was in a car.

What?

No, it was not in a car.

It was in the house.

In the middle of the night, he snuck in the two.

There's a lot of crimes going on in the overlap.

I make some up.

There were children in the home.

And I believe in my house where there was such a tragedy.

Right.

I don't know, but it says the asking price is $775,000,

and that Zillow listing has been viewed

by over 60,000 people in less than 20 days.

So.

Many of those was you.

Hey, a lot of it was me.

Actually, I thought, at some point,

we need a legally brunette podcast on the road

where we travel to all of these.

And re-enact?

No.

I don't want to re-enact.

I just want to travel to all of these places.

We could start in Ohio.

We could make our way to Utah.

There's a lot going on in Utah.

Then we could just, you know, make our way over

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All right.

Well, if anyone else is interested

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You can, she doesn't want to go.

She doesn't want to go.

We could go visit all of the homes.

I think that's great.

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This is what we're going to talk about today.

Like I said before, we did an episode on Corey Richens.

This is before she went to trial.

So if you would like to listen to that episode,

you can find it under Legally Brunette.

Unless it's due, a brief synopsis

so everybody can kind of catch up where we are

before she goes to trial.

So Corey Richens is a Utah mother of three whose husband

named Eric Richens was found dead in their home

in March of 2022.

At first, his death appeared sudden and unexplained.

You know, they do say, I saw some video of the medical,

or whoever, when she called 911, the first responders.

The first responders, thank you, come.

And I saw an interview with one of them that evening.

And they were thinking initially that it was a brain

aneurysm because he's young.

He's in his 30s.

He doesn't have.

There was no signs of foul play just by looking at him.

He died in his sleep.

He'd been dead a while when they arrived.

And also, they said there was a lot of blood.

So I don't know.

I don't know.

I believe so because there were no wounds.

He didn't die from, so I guess maybe like,

does blood come out the nose or mouth or something?

So they initially thought it was a brain aneurysm.

So now it was cornhole.

Yeah, his cornhole.

That's where the blood was coming from.

Did, so now she's, at this point,

she's thinking so far, so good.

I think it's a brain.

She's like, perfect.

Yeah, she's fine with that.

She sounds good.

She's going to book publisher going it, it's a go.

It's a go.

It's gonna work.

Yes.

So at first his death appeared sudden and unexplained,

but a later investigation determined

that he had very high levels of fentanyl.

He had five times the normal limit,

which I don't do people normally a fentanyl

in their system.

I don't think it's a normal, I think it means lethal.

Like he had five times the amount that he needed to die.

Oh, so five times.

So the body can withstand a certain amount and certainly.

Things generally.

But he had five times that amount in his system.

In the months that followed,

Cory publicly presented herself as a grieving widow

and even wrote a children's book

about coping with the loss of a parent.

However, as the name of the book, do we know the name of the book?

It's called like, are you there or something?

It's a children's book.

And she, did my mommy kill you?

Is that what it's called?

It's yes.

That's sickle.

But that's part two.

Also, not only did she write the book,

but then she had the audacity to reach out

to news stations in the Utah area.

She was like the morning shows.

Yes, and reach out, she sent emails

and asked if she could come on and discuss her book

because she believed that she was the only person

that had authored a book specifically for children dealing with.

So quickly after she murdered her husband?

Yes.

So in the months of fall.

And you know, in the fence of those morning shows.

Yeah.

I mean, they probably hear this story and think,

oh, yeah, come on, this is a touching moment.

You wrote a book, your husband passed away.

That's cool.

Like, this is the grieving widow.

She's the grieving widow.

Right, she's the grieving widow.

And then when she goes on set or when they reach out to her,

you know, they were very comforting to her,

and sympathetic, so she was getting all kinds of love.

Yeah, so I actually watched, there is a 2020 special

that has to do with the Corey Richens trial

and they actually interview the two newscasters

that interviewed her originally,

and they were asking them, they were giving their thoughts

and they were saying how sympathetic they were to her initially

and how she just came off like a grieving widow

and they felt badly for her

and there were three young boys that were affected by this.

And then to learn, then after that,

they received an email that said she killed her husband

and like in all caps, from like an anonymous email.

An anonymous email after she went on.

Yeah, so.

Was it from the publishing company?

I don't know, it was from the domain.

Actually, it was self-published.

She didn't have a publishing company, yeah.

So however, as authorities, Doug,

deeper into Corey Richens,

they uncovered a complex web of financial issues,

insurance policies and alleged suspicious behavior,

leading up to Eric's death.

So let's just talk about,

let's go through a little bit of a timeline

before we get to the trials.

So before the murder, this is June 15th, 2013.

This is the day of Eric and Corey's wedding.

Corey is asked by her mother-in-law

to sign a prenup right before walking down the aisle.

I don't know, how do you feel about that?

I like how they waited, they knew, they waited.

They knew to wait right before she walked down the aisle.

But I don't know about in California,

you have to have a certain cooling off period.

You can't just do it like on the day of.

Yeah, you also have to have your own independent council

and things like that.

You can't wave council, you have to have a council.

Right, I, clearly this is Utah.

So I feel like you, this isn't California,

we're talking about Utah.

So I think you can hand someone a prenup

as they walked down the aisle and say, sign this

or he's not marrying you.

The agreement specified that certain assets

would remain Eric's property in the event of a divorce.

However, this is the important part

and this is what you have to hold onto

in order to understand a lot of things.

However, it also included a provision stating

that if Eric were to die while they were still legally married,

Cory could inherit some of those assets.

So a lot of, according to this prenup,

a lot of, because he came from a wealthy ranching family.

I don't know if you knew that.

Okay, so they're like properties or?

Ranch cattle, a lot of.

Probably equipment.

A lot of land.

So he came from a pretty wealthy ranching family.

Cory did not, Cory came from more humble beginnings.

So this prenup limits her access to his separate property.

However, the only way she can inherit

some of his separate property is if he dies

before her while they are still married.

According to the agreement, those assets included

Eric's 50% stake in C&E stone masonry, that's his business,

along with various pieces of equipment and properties

such as a forklift, skid steer, scaffolding salts,

two trucks, and a dump trailer.

They're very specific in this.

At Eric owned a pretty well, well he made a lot of money.

He made pretty good money as a stone masonry person.

So he did well.

I would assume that has a lot to do with building homes

and then those retaining walls.

You know, a lot of homes in Utah have

so many retaining walls around their home.

Yeah, because if you're like hillsides and stuff.

Right.

Um, then also just general walls to, you know,

like if they want stone in the front of the house and stuff.

So it doesn't always have to be the retaining walls.

Huge wall. Right.

So then a March of 2019, according to a petition filed

by Eric's sister, this is Katie Richens Benson.

Cory opened a bank account without Eric's knowledge or permission.

Cory allegedly stole or misuse approximately $494,000 of Eric's money

according to this petition.

I'm then in April of 2019, Cory Richens started her own real estate

business called K Richens Realty LLC.

Her business focused on buying, renovating and flipping homes for profit.

Later on, we learned that Cory's business was drowning in millions of dollars of debt.

You know, it's, it's interesting that they, they were a young couple and had three

boys together, but I, but I feel that they each had their own business, but they kept it

very separate.

It sounds like she's trying to make something of herself.

Like she's trying to buy some type of, you know, her own kind of name or business

or make her stake somehow, but she didn't really have the talent to do it.

Well, you know, I, in this 2020 special, I watched and they interview a lot of people

that were involved in her life.

They did state that she came from humble beginning.

She was not wealthy and she didn't grow up wealthy.

But Eric did and they said she was very driven.

And so I think this real estate company that she started was exactly what you said.

It was her way to try to establish herself, but she was just trying to jump ahead

and get to the top right away as opposed to starting small or something.

So I don't know.

It sounds like like a, like Megan Markle.

She's always, do you, do you follow, do you follow Megan Markle?

Follow her stories.

She's always trying to be somebody and trying to buy her her kind of fame.

And that's what this lady reminds me.

She's trying to buy like a big business, real estate mogul or whatever it's called.

Mogul, mogul, mogul.

So you, this is new.

You follow Megan Markle.

I hate follow.

You hate follow her online.

I follow the stories when you have the as ever jam.

You don't know that.

This is why I'm right now.

Yeah.

And their business is called as ever.

And then Netflix like dumped her.

Have you ever seen her reality shows?

No.

Oh my gosh.

That's another thing.

We should recap.

You want to recap, Megan Markle?

It's pretty good.

It's pretty good.

I love that you hate follow her.

It got canceled.

All right.

Around October of 2020, Erica said to have met with a divorce attorney.

And she sells candles.

Oh my gosh.

She sells candles.

And a lot of people have complained that they don't have wicks in them.

I'm serious.

That's like a common complaint.

Why why would someone of her notoriety?

I don't know.

Be out there selling candles and shouts.

That's notoriety.

She's done with.

Yeah.

Do you think she's like the, um, do you think that's the reason he left the monarchy or the

it was her?

Yeah.

She's just that.

Absolutely.

She's the go go now.

All right.

Um, back to Corey Richens.

Erica said to have met with a divorce attorney and an estate planning lawyer.

And around that time, he updated his will and created the Eric Richens living trust,

naming his sister Katie to oversee the estate for the benefit of his three children.

He also moved his share of the business into the trust and changed the beneficiary,

beneficiary of his five, five hundred thousand dollar life insurance policy

from Corey to the trust.

But he did all this without Corey knowing.

So, you know, and this is when I don't.

This is an anticipation of her killing him.

That's my question because there is a point in time where he does say,

I think my wife's trying to kill me.

So I think my wife's trying to kill me.

Let me move my funds over here.

Right.

So why don't you wear like a bulb for a vest and not have her make you drinks?

So this isn't 2020.

And I don't know if it's at this time if he's fearing for his life or he just doesn't

trust her financially.

And he knows that she's misappropriating money and trying to access his money.

And so he puts all of his assets in a trust.

And then he cuts her out.

She's not named as the beneficiary at that time.

You know, that is the million dollars one thing if you're like, you know,

I'm trying to control the finances like, like, it's just a financial thing.

I'm trying to, it's another thing if it's like she's trying to kill me.

And she's taking all this money and all this stuff is like, well,

then what what's left to hold on to?

I don't know.

Then we get to January of 2022.

Corey is accused of changing the beneficiary on Eric's $2 million life insurance

policy to herself without permission.

The change was discovered by the insurance company and the designation was

switched back to the original beneficiary, which was Eric's business partner.

I guess she was forging his name.

She's trying to sign herself off as the beneficiary on guilty of forgery.

I believe yes.

Then we get to February of 2022.

Corey Richens allegedly obtains fentanyl for the first time.

She obtained the drugs from her occasional housekeeper, Carmen Lobber and

Carmen Lobber is really like, I would say the start witness and the trial

because she testifies against her.

Corey initially asked her to obtain prescription pain pills allegedly for

an investor with a back injury.

However, Lobber testified that an early of February 2022,

Richens requested, quote, something stronger and asked for some of the Michael Jackson

lady and said, I need a pain killer for an investor of mine.

Yeah.

Why wouldn't that person just go get their own?

Obviously, I mean, we know why she wanted it.

But is this person really falling for it?

Well, this person has a long history of a criminal activity.

This is Carmen Lobber.

So why she being a giver and excuse?

She should have been like, I want them because I want them.

Well, I guess she's trying to throw her off the trail that has anything to do

with her husband.

So she makes up some story about how it has to do with some other

guy that has back pain or something.

I don't know.

But Carmen Lobber is, she's had a long history of being arrested for drugs,

selling, distributing, being involved in drugs.

And so Corey asked her to get fentanyl for her.

And then she asked her, then she comes back to her and tells her that she needs

something stronger and she quotes says some of the Michael Jackson stuff.

So I guess that's how she describes it.

Carmen Lobber ends up giving Corey 15 to 20 fentanyl pills,

which Corey allegedly paid $900 for.

Now we get to February 14th of 2022.

This we believe is the first time that Corey tried to take out her husband.

Do you remember we talked about this in the earlier episode?

We did where it was Valentine's Day and she makes them a sandwich.

Well, she didn't make the sandwich.

She actually bought the sandwich and she went and picked it up.

It was a bagel, it was a bagel sandwich.

And we believe that's the first time that she tried to kill him with fentanyl.

She put it in the bagel.

Well, that's what I mean, the thing is there's no smoking gun.

There's no video of her putting it in the bagel.

There's no video of her putting it in the Moscow mule.

I mean, that's the, that's the missing piece, right?

But obviously he believed that she was trying to kill him.

And this was on the first time was on February 14th,

because she bought him a bagel sandwich for Valentine's Day.

I think she even left him like, see why if he, she's a little note,

why is he letting her give her, give him food?

Well, why is he still living with her?

Why is he so married to her?

Because didn't he tell a sister or didn't, he told someone that, like,

I think she's trying to kill me, right?

Well, he texted, I believe some friends.

So imagine like, okay, so he's texting her calling and he's like,

hey, my wife's trying to kill me.

Hold on, she's bringing me a sandwich.

Yeah, I got to go.

She brought me a sandwich and a drink.

Well, no, he takes the bite of the sandwich.

She leaves it for him on Valentine's Day.

I think she leaves like a little cute note.

Like, I love you. Happy Valentine's Day.

Enjoy your bagel, make sure you clean your plate.

He's the whole thing.

Yeah. Don't just take a bite.

Anyway, he takes one bite of it and he immediately has a reaction to it.

And he thinks it's like some kind of allergic reaction, I guess.

He takes a Benadrol and he also gives himself, that's where she went wrong.

She did it too much.

Too much fentanyl.

Yeah, like so, like initially, like, like when I put supplements in the kids' drinks.

If you put too much, they say taste funny.

Yeah.

And then they don't drink it at all.

So you have to put the right amount so they drink the whole right.

So he only took one bite and he initially had a reaction.

He gave himself the EpiPin shot in the leg.

I guess one of his sons had an EpiPin.

So he did that.

He drank Benadrol.

He took a nap.

She should have put it in the EpiPin.

Well, yeah, she should have, she should have contacted you first and consulted.

And then she said, it's sloppy.

She's sloppy.

So that was the first time that he believes Corey is trying to poison him.

And he texts his friends and says something to the effect of like she almost got me

or something like she's, I believe she's trying to poison me.

Now the question is, why is he still living with this woman in the same home

using the same dish?

How did she give him the poison the second time?

The second time is in the Moscow meal.

She makes a drink for her.

See, why is he letting her handle his food and drink?

I don't know.

I, that's, I don't know.

So then we get to, this is, remember, this is Valentine's Day, February 14th of 2022.

Then we get to February 26th of 2022.

So we're just, you know, like two weeks later, Corey allegedly contacts Carmen

Lobber again and asked for another $900 worth of fentanyl pills.

So which meant she used the entire amount in the bagel sandwich.

Yes, that she needed more, which was probably a huge amount.

You're right. So he took one bite and he had a reaction immediately to it.

So now we get to the actual murder, which takes place on March 3rd of 2022.

Corey and Eric were home at night celebrating the closing of a home purchase

for her real estate business.

So I guess she allegedly or she bought a home.

I don't know if this is the, she bought that mansion.

I don't know.

Yeah.

And he or wherever it is.

It might be, but I do know that at one point she did buy that huge mansion.

It's like right now it's currently like a $7 million mansion or something massive.

The guest home on the property is 3000 square feet.

Right.

And you know, in regards to that mansion, her boyfriend testifies in the trial.

And they also show text messages between her and the boyfriends talking about this

mansion because she tells him that her dream is to have that mansion turned into an event

space where they can rent it for like $15,000 a day, weddings and corporate events

and all those kinds of things.

And that the two of them, she and her boyfriend live happily together in the guest house.

And this is like their dream, right?

So I don't know.

I don't know if that's all I think I've seen that mansion because I saw a picture of it.

And it looked like we drove by it when to Utah last time because it's pretty recognizable.

It is.

Well, and there's nothing else around it.

No, it's just like in the middle of right.

Because I remember the first time when I saw it, I was like, well, that's like huge.

Yeah.

And there's a lot of big homes there, but that was huge.

And then the second time when we went in December, I drove by it and I saw it again.

Emily flew to Utah and I drove by the way.

And then I'm not scared of flying.

She is, which is it was a little backwards.

Why should I fly?

Because you don't want to drive.

Yeah, drive, I drove because we had to take equipment and all the ski gear.

And so anyway, the point is I saw the mansion.

You saw the mansion when you saw it though.

You didn't know that it was Corey Richens dream home to live with her boyfriend

after she murdered her husband.

No, but I thought it was a nice venue that we could rent for $15,000 a day.

Yeah, I did think for our for our 20th anniversary when we renew our vows.

Should we rent it?

Yeah, because I thought you'd be on one side of the house.

I'll be in this house and we'll have a nice, peaceful day.

Perfect.

Sounds amazing.

She gets more drugs.

She gets more fentanyl from Carmen.

Then on March 3rd, 2022, they're celebrating because she purchased a new home.

I think it might be the mansion.

She said she prepared him.

This is what I don't understand.

She tells investigators or detectives police.

Whoever that she made him a Moscow mule.

I don't understand why she gave up that information.

Because liars when they're confronted and they're being interrogated, like guilty

people, I mean, not all, but generally guilty people will tell you.

We'll just talk the gap non stop to try to make it like I'm not hiding anything.

So they try to make it like I'm being up front.

I made him a drink.

I did this.

I did that a little bit.

A gap non stop.

I'm just because I in my mind, I'm wondering why she gave up that information

because the only other person that would have known that she made the Moscow mule

would have been Erica who is now dead.

So because like I said, she's trying to make it like I put everything on the table.

I'm telling you everything I got nothing to hide and they're nervous.

So they're just yapping.

Right.

So she tells investigators she prepared her husband a Moscow mule in the kitchen

and then brought it into their bedroom where he drank it while they were in bed,

along with taking a THC edible.

Is that is that alcoholic drink the Moscow mule?

Yeah, it's alcohol.

According to her, the Moscow mule, I don't know.

Sound appealing.

It has a mint in it.

You're supposed to, it's very specific.

You're supposed to like, like, what is that thing?

You like grind the mint and I don't know.

And then it has a grind the fentanyl with a mint.

Yes.

Then you grind the fentanyl right according to her account.

You know, maybe it was a Moscow mule because it has a very like a minty taste.

So maybe she was trying to do a drink that would like cover up.

Yeah.

You know, maybe that was specific.

Probably because you can't have champagne and then we are like apple juice or something.

Right. And then dump some fentanyl in it.

So yeah, maybe the Moscow mule was like purposefully because it has.

It has texture and it has texture.

It has mint leaves in it that it could it would stand five times.

Oh, right.

According to her account, she then went to settle one of her children for the night

and ended up falling asleep and one of their kids bedrooms shortly afterward.

So she does claim that she wasn't even sleeping in the bed that she went and slept

in one of her son's rooms because he has night terrors.

So then so the murder sleeps with the son.

Yes.

I'm scared murder.

Can you come sleep with me?

What?

The mom's the murder.

Yes.

And the kid is scared at night.

Yes.

She should be the one he's scared of.

Yes, he really doesn't know that yet.

You know, that's another thing I was thinking earlier.

So if he's worried that she's going to kill him,

why wouldn't he think about the kids?

It's not far fetch for someone to murder the kids to get out of a relationship, too.

And the area is not protecting the kids as far as we know.

You're really upset at this guy for not kicking him out.

Well, I'm not upset, but I'm just thinking about it.

And it's, you know, yeah, why is he with her?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know why he takes the time and energy to like put things in a trust account

without her knowledge and to do all these things behind her back.

But he just doesn't divorce the woman or leave the house and move out.

I don't understand that and take care of the kids.

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So then this is around 3.2 a.m.

This is on March 4th, 2022.

Corey claims that she went back to her room

and found Eric unresponsive at the foot of their bed.

Summit County Sheriff's Deputies and EMS staff

arrived at the home at 3.31 a.m.

She does call 911 and I did listen to the 911 call.

She tells the 911 callers that he's unresponsive

and they ask her to do CPR and they ask her

if she knows how to do CPR and she says.

She goes, that defeats the purpose.

She says I want him dead.

No, very weekly.

And then the woman says, I'm going to tell you how

and I'm going to count with you and I'm just picturing her

on the other end of this phone line.

While this operator is like, okay,

one, two, three, four, she's just standing there with the phone.

She's like, I'm doing it.

Meanwhile, she's probably like buying stuff online

and looking at her bank accounts.

So I think they even said that there was no evidence

that she had actually tried to perform any kind of CPR,

which makes sense.

I mean, she wants the man dead.

She's not going to that.

She just want to get a third round of fettin' off

in this lady.

Another $900.

They found, so when EMS staff arrived at the home,

this was around 3.31 a.m.

They find Eric Richens deceased.

And according to court documents,

the responding paramedic thought

that he had been dead a while.

Eric Richens' ob-topsy later shows

that there were fentanyl levels five times a lethal dose,

which we have talked about,

and that the drug was ingested orally,

not through any type of accidental exposure,

which I guess means because they find it in the stomach.

That means he ingested it, right?

Also, and this was interesting

because I was watching this 2020 special.

Oh, I suppose it being like,

shot up or something in the bloodstream.

Right, it's in the stomach.

So obviously, he ingested it.

So, you know, then the question is,

you know, what did he eat?

What did he drink?

Because he swallowed it.

Also, I watched...

She calls the medical examiner

when the autopsy report comes out.

And she's asking very specific questions.

She's challenging it.

Well, she says, I guess because on the autopsy report,

it says something to the effect of illicit fentanyl

or illegal fentanyl or something like that,

making a distinction between...

And I learned this there...

Oh, like there's a prescribed...

There is.

And I learned this because I was...

I was...

I researched this.

There is fentanyl that hospitals or doctors use,

and very, very, very tiny doses that can be used,

like more...

It's stronger than more...

It's like ridiculously stronger than morphine.

So they do use it a medical grade type that they use

in certain...

Where this was just a street drug.

But this was a street drug.

I guess because it was had synthetic...

I don't know, I don't know much about street...

I don't really know much about street drugs.

Let's keep it that way.

Yes, but this was clearly something

that was not medical grade.

Which shows intent to kill.

Right. Well, it shows that it's not like he got exposed

at a hospital or something.

Oh, yeah, okay.

It shows that someone purchased it.

And she said on the phone when she started

to the medical examiner,

she said, well, where would that come from?

And he said drug cartels.

So, I mean, it was very clear

that this is, you know, was obtained illegally.

So a couple days after Eric's death,

Cory files a claim against Eric's trust,

contesting Eric's sister

as his personal representative of his trust.

That's our couple days after?

Yes.

Well, actually, let me tell you,

the day after Eric died,

they had a party at the house.

I was going to joke about her having a party.

She actually had a party.

I don't know if it was her that initiated the party,

but they did have...

What was the purpose of the party?

Like, what are the celebrities?

It was like a celebration of life type of thing.

And this is the day after he died.

And there were a lot of people at his house.

And his...

Too soon.

His sisters, I believe his family was there.

This is when the families are still...

Even weirder.

The family, so the non-murders were okay with this party.

Well, they, at this point,

they don't know how I felt.

I know, but...

They're not questioning her yet.

Okay, let's be honest.

Yeah.

I die.

Okay.

Not at your hands.

I just die.

So I didn't have anything to do with it.

Right.

Okay.

Because if he hasn't had anything to do with that,

I'd know the answer to this question.

Oh, okay.

So I die.

Okay.

And then the next day or whatever this time frame is.

Yeah.

My mom says,

Let's have a celebration of life.

Let's have a party.

Uh-huh.

What would you think?

Well, I wouldn't be able to have a party

because I wouldn't be able to get out of bed

because I would be so devastated.

I know you don't believe this.

That's so bold.

You're looking at me like you're in shock right now.

But that is true.

I...

If you...

If you were no longer...

You're the father of my children.

You're my husband.

I've been married to you for almost 20 years.

If you died suddenly,

I would not be able to have a party or get out of bed.

I would be devastated.

Okay. So now, let's say it's your sister's husband.

He unfortunately passes away.

Okay.

Right.

Gets in a car wreck,

so it's like clearly,

you know, not foul play.

And one day later,

your sister says,

I'm going to have a celebration of life.

I'd like you to come.

We're going to have a party.

Yeah.

What would you think?

I would think it was weird.

Yeah, okay.

And I would think it was weird.

I think most people would.

So there were a lot of friends there.

Their friends.

I mean, if family gathering,

let's get together and have dinner

and just be together.

No, they were like drinking and talking and telling stories

about Eric and all these things.

Anyway, I believe the day after that,

the following day,

Corey gets in a physical altercation.

I don't know which sister,

but with one of Eric's sisters.

Because, oh, because she brings over,

she brings over a key...

What's the person that gets in a safe?

Like a...

A locksmith?

A locksmith.

Yeah.

She hires a locksmith to come and open his safe.

Because she wants the will

and all these other things

that she didn't have access to.

Corey, the wife.

So there's a locksmith there.

The sister shows up.

This is, I think, two days after he died.

I think this is the day after the party.

This, you know, party they had.

The sister sees the locksmith truck and she screams.

And she loses it.

She's like, oh my gosh,

this woman's going to like, you know,

get the will or whatever,

who knows what she's going to do.

I'm sure they...

Well, that's less far-fetched

than the party.

Yes, but then they get in a physical altercation

and Corey gets arrested for assault.

I guess she punches her in the head

and in the knack or something.

So this is when everything just starts

to...

Everything becomes very divisive at this point.

I feel like there was like a...

I think that's...

I know now why she did it,

but that's less suspicious trying to get into the safe.

Less suspicious than the party.

Yeah, what she's supposed to do.

Well, I don't know.

I access to all the documents.

That's reasonable.

I mean, I know she's a murder.

I'm not trying to...

I know what her intent is.

But looking from the outside

if you don't suspect murder,

then her getting a locksmith

to get to the safe is, I think, expected.

And then, but a party is not.

That's all I'm saying.

I know about the party

because her best friend

testified for the prosecution at her trial

and her best friend talked about that

and talked about being here and things like that.

So Corey, we talked about this.

Did the locksmith get into the safe?

I don't know what happened.

I think the sister stopped it.

And the sister told her...

That's when the sister told her,

Eric cut you out,

and you're not a beneficiary.

And I think that's when she first found out about it.

No, there's a divide.

So then they got in this screaming match

and they were screaming at each other.

Most drama locksmith ever saw when he came somewhere.

Yeah, probably.

He's probably like, this is good.

So did he testify?

I bet he testified.

You know, I don't know if the locksmiths testified.

I don't know.

But then in March of 2023,

this is when Corey publishes a children's book.

It's called, are you with me?

And it's about grieving a deceased parent.

She talks about how she could not find

that her children were struggling.

I like how she's just,

you know, so concerned about her children

that they're struggling with the death of their father.

Well, that's what would happen when you kill the father.

And then so she writes this book

and then she goes around on her little media circuit

to talk about her book.

Then we get to May of 2023.

And Corey Richens is arrested for aggravated murder

and three counts of possession of drugs

with intent to distribute.

Later, additional charges arise,

insurance fraud and financial claims.

And you know what?

She was not initially arrested.

She was arrested for aggravated murder.

But then, you know, the attempted murder charge came after.

You know that because then once they started...

They started uncover more.

Uncovering more text messages,

interview, interviewing friends or family or whatever,

then came the attempted murder charge

of the Valentine's Day sandwich.

So that actually came after the aggravated murder charge.

So, and then in June of 2023,

Corey is denied bail and remains in custody.

I know her attorney argued

that she wasn't a flight risk

and that she had three children.

So she should be let out on bail.

But they were not having it.

So she remained in jail the entire time.

From the first time she was detained.

When was she again?

Was it how soon after the murder?

Well, she murdered him in March of 2020.

And she was taken in in March as well.

She murdered him in March of 2022.

She was arrested in May of 2023.

Okay, very soon after.

Well, a year.

Oh, no, a year, a year, a few months.

So she's been in jail for at least three,

for coming on three years now.

Right.

So she's denied bail.

She's in jail.

This is June of 2023.

Then there were some pre-trial developments that happened

before she goes to trial.

We talked about this in the first episode.

Do you remember the walk-the-dog letter?

The walk-the-dog letter?

Yes, it's called the walk-the-dog letter

because it's like a four-page handwritten letter

that she wrote while she was in jail.

And remember, she's very specific.

At the very top of it, it says in bold letters

with exclamation points.

Walk the dog.

Who's she's in the letter, too?

Well, she later says that it's just a manuscript

and it's fiction.

But who'd she give it to?

Well, I think it's going to her mother

because it talks about how her brother,

when he testifies, because she says,

you know, he'll most likely have to testify

that he needs to testify to the fact

that Eric travels to Mexico and gets drugs in Mexico.

So she's trying to establish...

She's trying to create a story.

She's trying to create a story.

So then they do, you know, those random searches.

They're searching her room.

That's how they find the letter.

Cell.

Cell, not her room.

No, it's not her suite.

Not her suite.

Her cell, they find the walk-the-dog letter.

Then she claims, because obviously, you know,

it gets confiscated.

It goes to the prosecution.

Prosecution has it, right?

She claims that it's fiction.

That it's just part, you know, she's an author.

It's another book.

It's another book.

You know, she's this well-known author who writes books.

So this is just a work of fiction.

And this is like...

It's another self-published piece.

It's going to be a work of fiction.

Also, I know there's some issues with a lot of things

that this happens when she talks to her attorney.

She also claims it's like attorney-client privilege,

things like that, attorney-client work product.

And this is when she has her first attorney,

whose name is Sky Lazarou,

who ends up not being her attorney when she goes on trial.

So anyway, then she's charged with attempted murder

for the Valentine's Day Poisoning.

Like I said, that came later after her initial charge.

Then there are multiple hearings, attorney changes

and delays, and then the judge rules

that she must stand trial.

There is some conflict, I don't know what it is,

but she ends up not having the attorney,

she had the whole time Sky Lazarou, she ends up claiming

like there was a conflict or something

that had to do with the other additional charges

that she gets that has to do with the fraud

and the insurance and all of that stuff.

I don't know if there was some conflict with that,

but anyway, her attorney ends up with drawing.

And then now she has two public defenders

who are going to represent her for her trial.

So then February 23rd of 2026.

So this was very recently.

So now we get to the actual trial.

The trial begins, the prosecution,

these are the main arguments.

And here's the thing about the arguments.

They're going to try, I feel like they really work

on a motive because there is no smoking gun in this case, right?

There's all circumstantial.

It's all circumstantial.

There's no witness of her.

Like you said, there's no video of her putting fentanyl

on the bagel and handing it to them or.

Or into the Moscow meal.

There's no witness that saw it.

There's no one that can testify that she told them

that she did it.

So the jury has to take all these pieces of when she bought it.

They have to believe Carmen Lover.

And Carmen Lover has a very shady past.

She's been arrested multiple times.

She also got an immunity deal for her testimony

against Corey Richan.

So that's another thing to take into account.

Do you believe her?

Do you find her credible?

That's for the jury to decide.

So anyway, the prosecution goes

into their opening argument.

They're also going to establish the motives.

And I believe there's two motives

that they really try to hone in on in this case.

And it's one, the financial gain.

She wants her husband dead

because she's going to financially gain, right?

She has all this insurance money.

She's going to collect from a step.

It'll all be to her.

And it's all going to go to her.

And then she also thought when she killed him,

that she was the beneficiary.

She didn't know that he had made that trust

and named his sister as the executor.

And she was aware that the prenup said,

if he pre-deceases her while married, she gets married.

See, maybe you shouldn't do that in the thing.

Maybe you should make it like.

It doesn't matter.

Dad or her life, right?

So anyway, not only do they talk about a motive

of the financial gain,

but they also really hone in on the fact

that she wanted her husband dead

because she was having an affair

with this guy named Josh Grossman

and that they want she wanted a fresh start.

But she was still with Grossman?

I don't think they're together anymore.

I feel like that fizzled out.

He's not supporting her?

No.

He testifies against her.

So we'll talk about that.

So those are the two motives really.

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in her marriage that she wanted her husband gone

so that she could have this fresh start

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We're gonna talk about some of the testimony in this.

Josh Grossman testifies against her.

He testifies for the prosecution.

He's the boyfriend.

So this is so, I can't imagine how embarrassing this would be,

but they show screenshots of all the text messages

between her and her boyfriend, yeah.

What are they?

I mean, it just sounds so middle school.

Yeah, like what is it?

Like I love you, baby.

I love you so much, I can't wait to spend.

Do you think about me? I think about you.

I love you.

I had a dream.

We're going to, you know, rent out that.

Can I get you a bagel?

Yeah.

We're gonna rent out the mansion as an event space

and then we're gonna live in the, you know,

the gas house together and have little farm animals

and it's just, and he's sitting there on the stand

and they show it up on the screen, right?

So that the jury can read it.

It's sucker written all over the room.

Oh, it's just like, I can't imagine.

It reminds me of Karen Reed.

Do you remember during the trial

when they read all those text messages?

No, what were the text messages?

It was between her and that ATF agent

when they were flirting with each other.

And he's on the stand and they like show the text messages

and make him read them.

And it's like how mortify?

Our text messages would show motivation.

They would show motive.

Motive?

What?

They'd like those tracks.

Look at all the names he calls him.

I don't call you that many names.

Not that many.

All right.

Okay, so there are text messages

that show Cory was having in a fair

with another man named Robert Josh Grossman.

First of all, I have to say,

I watched his testimony.

This man, I, well, she likes redheads.

He's a redhead, her ex-husband was a redhead.

He's struggling so much on the stand.

Like what?

Like it hurts him to say all this?

I, he just, or like he feels dumb or.

I think, I guess all the emotions.

I mean, they have to ask him.

Is he crying?

A little, yeah.

He puts his head down a lot.

He has trouble speaking.

They have to ask him if he needs a break.

I don't, I mean, I don't know if he's struggling morally

that he was involved with this woman that was married

and now maybe he had some,

not that he was involved in.

He knew she was married, right?

He knew she was married, yeah.

And there were, there's text messages

between the two of them that are like,

once you get divorced, when you get divorced,

oh, no, and then there was other text messages

where she kept telling him to hold off until Friday.

Hold off what, till Friday?

I think he was getting like upset

about her not being divorced

and he was like questioning their relationship

and she's like, just hold on, just hold on till Friday.

I got plans.

Don't worry about it.

I'm gonna, you know, we're gonna figure this out.

So less than a month before her husband's death,

Cory Richens had asked her boyfriend, quote,

if I was divorced right now and asked you to marry me

tomorrow, you would question Mark.

Robert responded, yes, and love with why oh you.

Of course I would.

No, this is what they're showing up on the screen

during the trial, I just.

All it does is show that she's checked out of the marriage

and wants to be with this guy forever.

Right, so the prosecution is showing exactly

that she's unhappy in her marriage

and that she wants this fresh start, right, with this guy.

Josh Grossman.

This guy ever have another relationship now

because if he has a relationship with someone

he sends her messages.

Well, he'll probably never put anything

in writing I got.

Yeah, but then that new female might be like,

that's what you told Cory.

Yeah, I saw that.

It doesn't mean anything.

Josh Grossman testified a trial that he and Cory

finally talked about Eric's death two weeks after it occurred.

I think this is what they considered

to be kind of like a bombshell testimony from him.

She, he testified that she asked him

if he had ever killed anyone.

Wait, what?

What?

I'm gonna give you context.

Yeah, please.

He was in the military and I believe he was on Grossman.

Yes, the boyfriend.

I believe he was on maybe any rack or something.

So he was on some, what he was in combat zones

where that could have happened.

So she asked him if he had ever killed anybody

and then she asked him how it made him feel

or something along those lines and then I answered her.

So there was a conversation that had to do with

have you ever killed anyone?

What's it like to kill someone?

Right.

So he testified to that.

He's an army veteran.

That's why she was asking him the question.

And the two continue to date a few months after the death

but things eventually fizzled out.

You know, I mean, why not?

Why wouldn't they fizzle out?

I feel like once you kill your husband

and then you know, they're on to you.

Things might fizzle out with the boyfriend.

There's also damaging digital evidence that is a deal breaker.

There's damaging digital evidence.

Corey's internet searches included.

Oh yeah, this is these are my favorites.

What are they?

I love it when they look at the Google searches

of these killers.

Just a stupid.

What is a lethal dose of fentanyl?

Can FBI find deleted messages?

If someone is poisoned, what does it go down

on the death certificate as?

Can FBI find my Google searches?

Luxury prisons for the rich in America.

I don't understand that one.

How to make a bagel sandwich.

Corey Richens' net worth.

So she was very concerned about that.

However, these Google searches, I will tell you,

the defense or her defense attorney Sky Lazaro

talks about this, but she wasn't her attorney

during the trial, but she gives her interpretation of this.

These Google searches, you have to understand

the Google searches were done after he had already died.

It was not before.

So her excuse for Corey is, okay, she gets a death certificate

and she's told that he dies of a lethal amount.

Okay, but what were the other ones?

Okay, now that we know that this was searched

after he was dead, what are the searches again?

Read them quickly.

Okay, so now you know the timeline.

This is after he had died.

Okay, that mattered.

What is a lethal dose of fentanyl?

Okay, so we'll write that one off.

Right, because let's say, it makes sense.

Let's give her credit.

I mean, she's still murder.

She's still murder, but she gets a death certificate,

the medical examiner says he died of a lethal dose of fentanyl.

Okay, she Google sat.

Can FBI find deleted messages?

Okay, well, there's no reason to look at that one.

Search that.

If someone is poisoned, what does it go down

on the death certificate as?

Because she wanted to know for insurance purposes.

Okay, well, even that you could be like,

well, okay, whatever luxury prisons for the rich in America.

I like how she claims that she would go to a luxury prison

because she's rich.

Is there a luxury prison?

But she's in so much.

Was it a luxury prison?

Are there a, that's an oxymoron, like happily married.

So, that's a government luxury prison.

Oh my gosh.

No.

You know what?

People are gonna think that I just abuse you.

I don't abuse you.

Blucin help.

Oh my gosh.

Is this house a luxury prison?

I don't know, but this podcast can now be used as motive.

Great.

Thank you.

Corey Richens' net worth.

That's just, you know, she just wants to feel like

she's worth something, you know?

She's actually in so much debt.

What is it?

Let me look up her.

She has no net worth.

She's in debt like millions and millions of dollars

and her business is failing.

That's like, that's the prosecution's whole motive

is that she killed her husband for financial gain

because she's in so much debt and her business is failing.

Let's say I'm looking up Corey Richens' net worth.

Nothing's coming up.

Yeah, she's not, yeah, she's, she's not worth anything.

She's not on anyone's radar to figure this stuff out.

No, she's in a lot.

Even a lot of times that stuff's kind of just random numbers.

You know, also Carmen Lover, we talked about this

a little bit before, but Carmen Lover is the drug dealer

that she allegedly bought the, you know, fentanyl from.

But again, this is where there is no other suspect

in this case.

So the defense, it's not like the defense is able

to use a defense where they're pointing to someone else, right?

Well, the other one, the other suspect is himself, right?

He's supposedly went to Mexico, got his own drugs.

Well, no, I know, but that's the only explanation,

alternate explanation that's being offered.

Right.

So the defense, what they're going to do is they want to,

they're going to try to put reasonable down

to the jury's mind.

That's the only way you're going to get Corey Richens off, right?

You have to, that's the way you get everyone off.

That's that you're going to have to establish

some kind of reasonable down.

The jury's going to have to sit there and go,

you know, I don't know how did the fentanyl get

from here to here?

Was it her?

That's the missing piece, right?

No one thought that.

There's no way everyone's thinking, of course you cheated.

I know, but let me just deliberate now.

Right, but let me tell you though,

there was no fentanyl found in the home,

and there was no fentanyl to them.

She gave it all to them.

No, but let me finish.

There was no fentanyl residue found in the glass

at the bottom of the cup.

You know, I don't know how easy it is to wash away.

I don't know, but there was no fentanyl residue found

and no fentanyl found in the home.

So let's just, there you go.

There's a little bit of reasonable doubt.

I would hone in on that if I was the defense attorney, right?

No, I know.

That doesn't create any doubt for me.

So what?

So she cleaned up, she washed the dishes.

I'm saying, if you're representing her

and you're her defense attorney,

the only thing you can do is try to focus on him

getting fentanyl somewhere else

and they're not being any fentanyl residue

in the glass, in the house, in the house anywhere.

But that's what you have to do.

That's all I'm saying.

This to me says that the alternate theory

that he has his own drugs doesn't exist

because there's nothing in the house.

This doesn't create any doubt that she did it.

This creates doubt that he gets his own drugs.

Well, what she should have done was, you know,

because I feel like when people are drug addicts,

like when I watch it on TV or someone does drugs,

they always have like this little like a drug box.

Like a little toilet tree bag.

Like a little toilet tree bag.

Don't they?

And they just like pull their drugs out.

So I'm saying if she should have been smarter,

if she wanted people to think that he took the fentanyl

on his soul.

A lot of things she could have done to be smarter about this.

She needed to have like his like drug kit somewhere

in the house.

She needed to create like a story.

Instead of just giving him drugs

and later trying to figure out how to cover up.

Well, the other thing to create reasonable doubt

is you want to you want to establish

that Carmen Lawber who really is the star witness

for the prosecution has no credibility

and you don't believe her.

So she got an immunity deal like we talked about

in order to testify for the prosecution.

So she wasn't she wasn't going to do any gel time

for all of this drug related activity

that she is going on selling and distributing

and buying and all those things.

So the question is, do you find her to be credible?

Do you believe what she says?

Do you believe that Corey came to her?

Do you believe that she bought you?

I think Corey Richens to not be credible

and that's enough for me.

Okay, so you're just there you are.

All right.

So then when I'm watching the trial,

so the prosecution puts on their case, right?

They call all these witnesses.

I don't remember how many,