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Look, as we are streaming to you tonight, we have breaking news to tell you about.

This is the beginning of something that's going to get much worse.

They think it's over.

They said two to four weeks.

They're stretching the time now for two to four more weeks.

So we're in a pickle.

They're in a pickle.

The world's in a pickle right now.

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The S&P 500 just officially posted its lowest close in two hundred and thirty two days.

And guess what that does?

That erases another one trillion dollars of market cap today.

This brings a total S&P 500 losses since the Iran War.

You guys ready for this four point eight trillion dollars four point eight trillion dollars

just down the drain.

For what?

Why?

And I'm seriously asking you why is that this is something there was no imminent threat.

And now we're in this quandary or in this quagmire because administration has not given

us one clear justification for the census war in Iran.

And then we're going to dig into all of that a short word from our sponsors.

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So as I was saying, $4.8 million vaporize to dust just gone.

I don't like the 180 school girls that the Trump administration killed and then they

lied about it.

So I just want to shout out Sean McCreech over at the New York Times for exposing that for

happening.

Now, you know, all of this is going to get worse because today this is what Axios reported.

The Secretary Marco Rubio told the G7 foreign ministers that the war with Iran will continue

for another two, two possibly four weeks.

And the German chancellor reacted to that news by telling the German press and I quote

here, the US and Israel have no strategy on what they want, no strategy.

And these are our allies.

So in the hours that follow the coordinated US's largest steel plants, the backbone of

the country's not other things that are important.

Together they produce roughly 70% Iran's steel output.

Now, in case you weren't aware, steel is Iran's second largest export category at $6.48,

$646.48 billion, excuse me, its primary hard currency life line outside of oil.

So this is where Mubarak, Mubarak, makes the flat steel used in cars and pipelines.

And then someone else produces the structural beams in the railway rails.

And then, because of Stan, supplies the raw slabs at feed factories nationwide.

So hitting all three at once, all of those targets, their critical targets, the industrial

capacity and the economic architecture Iran spent decades to build to survive Western

pressure.

They are hitting all of that.

In response to that, I know it's a little bit technical, but this is something that you

should know this because these are, this is the peril of war.

In response, the IRGC commander announced, quote, Iran will no longer respond proportionally,

quote, the equation will no longer be an eye for an eye, just wait and see.

So they're talking about proportionality here or proportionally that it's not going

to be what you think they're just going to respond, which means they're going to go the

technical term for the folks is buck wild.

That's what's going to happen.

So just before coming, before streaming to you right now, Iran issued a series of urgent

evacuation notices for major steel facilities in Israel and multiple Gulf states declaring

them imminent military targets and ordering workers to leave within four hours.

So the facilities in question, facility in Israel, one in Kuwait, one in Bahrain, one

in Abu Dhabi in UAE, and one in Qatar.

This is about to get so bad that you guys have no idea.

And I said, if they were going after, if Donald Trump goes after the oil, or goes after

anything that has to do with oil production, Carl Island, anything that it was going to

get nasty.

The markets aren't even properly pricing what this now regional, if not global war, will

do to the economy.

I want you to listen to this as a president of the European Central Bank.

Her name is Christine Lagarde, and the editor in chief of the economist, watch this.

We are facing a real shock that is probably beyond what we can imagine at the moment.

I would agree with that.

I look at financial markets, and I think there's some kind of cognitive dissonance going on.

Do you think there is just a sort of blind optimism that somehow this is going to be over

and the world will go back to normal, and people are going to suddenly wake up?

Or will it be a gradual realization that there are going to be really significant consequences?

Well, maybe they're overly optimistic and determined to stay optimistic in the hope that

a positive scenario will materialize and will be back to normal in relatively short time,

which is not what the technical experts are telling us in terms of capacity, extraction,

refinery, distribution, because too much has already been damaged, and there is no way

that it can be restored in a matter of months.

Most people are actually talking about years.

I think this is a crisis where we are learning almost bit by bit, day by day.

And the actual consequences will be what countries will be most affected, what of the

commodities will be the most in demand?

So, we've been, I've been telling you this from the beginning, and the experts have been

saying it as well.

There is no little excursion as Donald Trump puts it into Iran.

That's not how this works.

To shut down oil production, to have oil facilities bombed, to have the straight of

Harmoos closed.

That affects everything, and you just cannot, you can't just go overnight and fix everything.

It's going to take years for prices to come down.

We're going to be in that for years.

I don't think they thought about that.

It's not weeks, it's not months, it's years.

And all because Donald Trump, in the White House, wanted a war to distract.

He wanted to seem like a strong man.

And his supporters wanted to support him, but even they are having issues right now.

We shall see, but he is acting like a moron.

If he thought, and they thought that we were just going to get out of this in weeks, that's

not even a possibility.

Now, amid all this chaos, this is how the president described the situation just today.

In the first term, we had the greatest economy in the history of our country.

In the first term, we are blowing them away right now.

And by the way, we're doing really well in Iran, just so you understand.

How good is our military?

How good is our military?

Here's the thing.

He's saying, you know, they're out of rockets, they're out of this.

Well, look, it's not that kind of fight anymore.

And that's not the real thing.

The rockets and the this and the that, that's not where the rubber meets the road.

And I don't think that that's where they're fighting.

It's really about oil and the Strait of Hormuz and attacking other facilities.

I don't think that this administration took that into account.

And look, he talked about the 25th Amendment yesterday, so perhaps that maybe that should

come.

So what is going on right now, the world is burning, we're on the brink of a financial

ruin.

And then this man is doing his double BJ dance.

That's his double BJ dance, but we can't play the music, right?

He's standing there at the White House doing his double BJ dance.

We're in a world of trouble.

And MS now is reporting that Donald Trump is bored with the war.

He wants to get out of it.

He realizes that he can't end it whenever he wants.

And that he's bitten off more than he can chew.

Watch this.

Just about the growing tension that exists within the White House on the messaging on the

war with Iran.

That's from the president himself and also the White House communications team.

I spoke with three different White House officials about this, two of which were actively

still employed at the White House.

One of them told me that the president's messaging around Iran over the past couple

weeks, but increasingly so has been hyperbolic.

They continue to say that the president has essentially grown bored with the war in Iran

and is looking to round things up and has already shifted his energy to more domestic issues.

Another official was telling me that typically a strategy of the president that he's employed

over the years is essentially lying to the American people, but knowing that eventually

they will get on board with some of the things that he's saying is he kind of slowly ingest

that into their system, but that this time around with in a war like setting, that's

not necessarily the case.

It's not hitting the same way it has previously.

There's also this second component in frustration amongst folks when inside the White House

walls about the social media strategy taking place about the war in Iran right now.

We've seen over the past couple of weeks White House social media accounts posting a lot

of these meme-like posts, essentially meming movies, rap songs, and showing in compilation

of these attacks that are killing, of course, Americans have died as well as folks in

the Middle East, making very light of the subject.

One individual told me that this, that he was upset to be working at the White House

right now at a time like this, said the videos were cringed, disrespectful, and gross.

I threw line here, though, for all of these White House officials that I spoke with here,

is that they say that they're not going to voice their opinion inside White House walls

because there is real fear, especially in a second Trump administration, that voicing

their opinion of disagreements in this moment would mean losing their jobs.

And they're probably right about that, which is a sad, sad in itself.

Now we have some experts that's going to walk us through this, and I am, one is a friend

of the show, the other one, I'm so happy to have him on because he is a military and intelligence

community veteran, a best-selling author in the host of the Black Man Spy Podcast, and

that's none other than Malcolm Nance, glad that you're here.

Aiden McLaughlin is watching Correspondent for Vanity Fair and the author of Party Animals

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Back now with Malcolm Nance and Aiden McLaughlin.

Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining.

Hey, it's my brother.

Malcolm, you know, people ask me every single day in the chat, can you get Malcolm on the

show to discuss what's going on with this war?

Malcolm, did Donald Trump actually think he was going to get into this and it was going

to be like Venezuela and then that he actually can decide when this war is over because

I think Israel and Iran might have something to say about that.

Yeah, well, clearly he did not plan for this war.

And I'm saying this full, full level disclosure as an intelligence professional.

I have served in this war already.

We had a war very similar to this happened in the 1980s, the tanker wars where we were

escorting tankers through the straight-of-formers.

I was in minefields, helped rescue a ship that hit a mine, the Samuel B. Roberts, was

in an anti-ship missile battle with another Iranian ship, sank it, shot down an airplane,

blew up an oil platform, went up and down all of these islands that they're talking about,

including Carg Island.

I saw it visually inspected these places.

And we prepared to actually do amphibious landings there.

Trump added a new layer to it.

Let's just attack Iran from the air, destroy their toys, and then claim that we are winning

by decapitating the regime.

The Iranians have been preparing for this since 1979, since the Iranian Islamic Revolution

happened.

And you can clearly see that Trump and Pete Heggsef, his Secretary of Defense, or war

whatever he wants to call himself, are winging it.

It's, you know, we have always had marines at the start of an amphibious operation, you

know, of an operation just in case they wait two weeks to say, hey, maybe we need some

marines.

And they'll take two weeks to get here, then a month to get here, then the airborne

alert brigade, and maybe there may be as many as 500 to 700 special operations soldiers

hidden away in Israel and Jordan right now, for what purpose it's all being done off

the top of their head, like they can't figure it out, and they just keep adding components

to it.

Malcolm, he is, he keeps touting about how much they've obliterated just about everything

in the nuclear capabilities of rockets or whatever, and Iran.

And my question is, is that really where the fight is right now, when you consider the

reason that the whole world is hurting is because of the straight arm of Hamuz, and what

happens with the oil, if they think they're going to take karg island, I think it's going

to be nasty.

So number one, is that where the fight is, and number two, how nasty can and will this

get?

Again, Iran is known since the Ayatollah Khameini came off his plane in 1979 that the

United States has overwhelming military power and would immediately destroy their conventional

forces.

Look, there maybe wasn't hard to sink, right?

It was in port, not only one of those ships, that's not true, two of those ships that

were coming back from an exercise in India were manned.

Every one of those ships was in port, no cruise on them, even the IRGC vessels that were

in the harbor, and they just allowed them to destroy them.

Why?

Because they wanted the Americans, they knew the Americans would sink them as they came

out, it would be a disaster.

Their naval power is not the conventional navy, or the Air Force, which was ancient that

they blew up, or even parts of the Artech, the Iranian army.

Their power lies in their asymmetric ability to punish the region and the world using things

like drones, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, suicide boats, suicide submarines, suicide

individual bombers, high speed boats, which we have not really seen.

The first sign we had in those was about six or seven days ago when five of them came

out of Banderabad and blew up a tanker that had already been attacked and set it on fire.

They aren't just waiting for the United States to get into a position where their real

strengths can happen.

They've been dancing between the bombs to use the euphemism, dancing between the raindrops,

and then, I mean, if the United States wants to land on one of those islands, you will

see the asymmetric power that they have.

And all it requires on is one incident, one where like an Osprey helicopter is landing

to drop 28 Marines and suddenly a $300 DJI drone with a quarter pound of plastic explosive

hits its rotors and goes down and there's a video of it.

Or a US warship is out there and it's shooting missiles and then suddenly after they're taking

ballistic missiles and any ship missiles, a drone hits it and incapacitates it.

Or they find the minefields that we suspect are already out there.

This could go bad in a hundred different ways and I think they just want to do it for

the spectacle of landing on these islands and raising the flag and saying that we did

it with the exception of three islands, Abu Musa, Alessandro, and greater to them.

They're going to do those landings to give those islands back to the United Arab Emirates

and maybe they think we're going to build a base on it.

But it'll be DnBN food, it'll be case on with water around it.

We'll just be bombarded, non-stop.

So if they got into this and they didn't understand what they were getting into, aid

and my question to you is from whom or where is he getting this information that is pushing

him to continue this war?

Yes, so I think that's the key question here and we've had a glimpse over the last couple

of weeks of why there is such a gulf between what Trump is saying about the war and the

reality on the ground.

There's a reason why and it's not just I don't think Bravado that Trump keeps saying

that the war is won and that it's been this massive success despite the fact that we know

from all available reporting that there are still enormous problems and that it's going

to be a very thorny war for the United States to extricate itself from no matter how many

deadlines he puts on his desire to move on and turn to other things because he's barely

bored with the war.

There was an NBC News report out this week that I think was really telling which is that

every day since the start of the war he's been getting these short clips put together

by military showing the massive strikes and he sees these big bombs being dropped on

Iranian targets and he concludes that the war is going great and then he reads the New

York Times which has a more nuanced view points out that the objectives that he's laid

out which are many and diverse and often conflicting are not going to be accomplished simply

by air power alone and certainly Malcolm Nance I think is a better view of this but Robert

Paye who's an expert on this kind of warfare has always argued that air campaigns alone do

not topple regimes and we're seeing that here in Iran and I think that's driving a lot

of his frustration with the media coverage and I would say another thing to remember is

that it's not just the these briefings that he's getting with these short videos it's

clear that administration officials are also telling him this I mean when you see defense

territory peed headsets commentary publicly emphasizing that the bombing campaign is what

has been successful here and that that means necessarily that the war has been a success

and obviously he weaves in a bunch of rhetoric about death and destruction someone unbecoming

of an American defense secretary but it's clear that he's telling Donald Trump that

this war is the success as a result of the air campaign when we know that the reality

on the ground is way different I would also say you know and I have a a story coming out

tomorrow about this and vanity fair because I've been speaking to people around Trump

and sources in the administration and what they describe is that Donald Trump is stewing

in an information climate that is reassuring all of his deaths about how this war is going

he's an avid viewer of Mark Levin's Fox News show airs for an hour on Sunday nights and

the last couple of weeks has basically been a weekly sermon on both the evils of the

Iranian regime and an argument that they pose an existential threat not just to Israel

but to the United States and the world and also a cheerleading hour for how the United

States has been doing and an encouragement for Donald Trump to keep going and to continue

pursuing this war because victory is within our grasp so when you know that that's the

information that Donald Trump is getting it becomes clear why he might have a different

view of how his war is going versus you know the reporting that we see and the view of experts

which is that this is incredibly complex and thorny it's not going well for the United States

and there's no clear way to get out of it.

That's interesting you say that because great minds think alike I don't know if it was

today or yesterday all days go and merge into one today is Schmerz day I'm not sure exactly

what it is but I sort of positive the same thing is that when I saw the report that he only

wants to hear aid and positive news about the war and his aids understand that he only wants

to hear that so that's what they're feeding to him so that when he turns on the news he

goes to the CNN or the fox or wherever he is getting his news and it's not matching what

the folks are telling him then he loses his mind and he goes off on the media and says

the media is fake and you know these these hexets said this is what the headlines should

be but then they go back and tell him again oh you know if this is we're killing it this

is what we're doing this is what we're doing we're knocking this out we have Lorde we're

Lordeering over their air space in Tehran that hexet says I guess all to get him to believe

that it's actually going really well and he's he's actually well and and and and also I would

say to protect their jobs I remember a big part of this is you know a big and in this I think

it's and beyond just the the the war and to every other aspect of the second Trump administration

which is different from the first because in the first administration there were a number of

cabinet officials who would tell Trump no you know there's there's the famous story of Gary

Cohn snatching the tariffs proposal off of his desk you know James Mattis frequently told

a president Trump in the first term that certain policies were a terrible idea whether it was

withdrawing US troops from Syria and so now there's there's a the people in the administration

that I've spoken to say that there's a completely different dynamic now and it's one where debate

is not had in front of Trump that then allows Trump to make the best decision which is how

administration should be functioned you know you have members of the NSC or members of the NEC

coming to a room coming to the Oval Office tell you what the debate is and then you make a decision

based on that information the way it works now is that Donald Trump makes a decision

and Stephen Miller carries it out and there is no dissent and there have been officials that

have dissenting from that in fact one official who's a holdover from the Biden administration was

working on Iran policy in the White House was pushed out a couple of weeks ago because he tweeted

negatively about Laura Lumer and he has said repeatedly that there were people in the administration

who were screaming that if you start a war with Iran they could very easily block the

street of Hormuz and then you have a catastrophe on your hand and he no longer works in the White House

so it there's a very clear pattern of people who dissent and who point out that these could be

problems are being pushed out and I would also say just in terms of Trump's media diet people on

the right who have dissented from this war whether it's Tucker Carlson or Megan Kelly are also not

being consumed by the president anymore he pushes those voices out they no longer have a role

and so he's consuming not just media coverage that approves of the war but also

the advice of advisors and top officials who are trying to sell a view of the war that is

rosy because their jobs depend on it yeah Malcolm you were responding to that I have a question

for you if you yeah I just you know his analysis reminds me of that great scene from the movie

Blazing Saddles and which Mel Brooks is Governor Latomane right Patomane and he says oh my god if

they find us out we'll lose our phony baloney jobs well this is exactly how this administration

is running there are two people I never hear from in this war Tulsi Gabbard who was allegedly

the director of national intelligence because he he's shunted her off to do election you know scams

or something so that US intelligence the collective voice of US intelligence is not a factor in this

game also the director of the CIA you don't hear anything from John Radcliffe usually you would be

hearing that you're hearing from Pete Hegg Seth who is only using one agency defense intelligence

agency and they're the guys who are looking down onto the imagery along with national geospatial

intelligence and saying yes you blew this up you know you need more bombs on this look if bombs

were capable of changing a government we would only need ask the democratically elected and saved

government of Vietnam which you will never find because we lost that war even though we had total

air supremacy or the government of you know the democratically elected government of Afghanistan where

we had total air dominance 100% tactical air control at the lowest levels and the highest levels

and we don't own that country either this cannot be done with a nation of 93 million very

intelligent people they know you're going to destroy their air defense they let us but the things

where they seem to be consistent at are the things what they wanted to survive which was ballistic

missiles drones they had an arsenal of 80,000 drones when this war was fired started in Ukraine the

Russians fired 55,000 in five years four years and they haven't even started to fire them up let's

say we destroyed 70% of their drone inventory let's say we're that awesome right that still leaves

25,000 drones that they could fire and they've only fired off 2,000 of them which means they could

be hitting everybody with drones every day at the same rate for the next year and garages are

manufacturing these things listen we haven't even talked about the bad things yet right like trying

to bring a ship through the straight-of-form moves because when that happens they try to bring those

amphibious assault ships through because you know Trump isn't the kind of guy who let them fly

over in helicopters he wants to see and you know in Iwo Jima he wants to see an in-shot what he may

get is the Battle of Tarawa where the Japanese were there waiting right at the edge ready to die

ready to kill them or alternatively the Iranians let them have those islands for two rooms then

blitz the ever-living ship out of them with everything that they have we game this out in the 80s

and could not do it without 6,000 Marines and accepting hundreds of people lost and now these

people have never read a book because this war has already happened they don't read defense

intelligence briefings they don't read these defense histories and Pete Hagceth as General

McHistle called him a disgraced major who was kicked out of the Army National Guard is making

decisions it for room football when he had those people there in Quantico that was 32,000

combined years of military experience and he's telling them to do stupid shit all right this is

why we're going to lose people and and let me just add if I may to can you just hold on one second

one second one second Aden leave it to Malcolm hands to bring in a blazing saddles reference

in the conversation and I can think about now I know this is serious it's Sheriff Bart and uh

what are white women at that's all I think no the line you should be thinking of right now of how

we got here is these people are the you know the the the traders of the west you know the the

assault of the earth you know morons that's the classic saddle line that fits the decision-making

process here uh I know you had one more question I could go yeah Aden if you can just hold off

a second what I'm gonna ask you when Aden was speaking the last answer um when I if the whole

we're loitering over Tehran in their territory like loitering that's never been a positive turn

for me it's always been like people loitering outside of stores and the store owners saying get

off you know get off the property but then he said we negotiate with bonds and in front of the

president of the United States is a defense secretary and any defense secretary that I can

remember in history certain you know Lloyd Austin they would have been gone if they had said we

negotiate with bombs what did you think of that and this whole we negotiate with bomb strategy

macris you know general macrista really summed him up and that brutal takedown of him yesterday

where he did call him you know a disgrace national guard a disgrace major kicked out of the DC

national guard who is never qualified for this job he wasn't even qualified for the next rank

up which is lieutenant colonel and right now he's discriminating against black general

colonels and women colonels who should be generals right now in order to save the lives of our

troop and execute a mission which has been subtly presented which has no objectives to get out

of it and which no one in the defense department certainly not general came uh is willing to go up

and it and tell them straight to their face this is a stupid effing idea because you know now we've

got three thousand power troopers are supposed to go over there to do what not for those islands car

island you could take with a hundred people or you could disable with one drone shooting twelve

missiles all of the other islands toned kisham larak the marines who were there can do it but you're

going to send them to a a a shooting gallery a one-way shooting gallery i was senior enlisted when

i was in the navy right i was a navy senior chief i come from a family of navy chiefs we have a

history of doing one thing this is what chiefs are we are leadership downward to the deck plates

and we are the people who give you straight advice going straight up to the top and why there is not

a master chief petty officer the navy or a sergeant major the marine corps who should walk

into the cup chief of uh naval operations or chief of i'm sorry chief of um uh the joint chiefs

of staff general canning go you know this is stupid you know this is going to kill our people and

you should step the fuck up nope nothing even top that i was just going to say i think one of the

things that one of the things that pita access says that is the most telling here and and this relates

to to malkud's point about vietnam is you often hear him say that you know donald trump is the first

president who lets the u.s military fight without its hands tied behind its back and i was talking

to to fill clay for this story um who is a former marine he was uh serving combat in a rack

and he was i asked him about that line and he said it it reflects this popular conservative myth

about vietnam where we we dropped millions of tons of bombs we killed you know a hundred thousand

Vietnamese but that if only we had killed a million more they would accept the leadership that

we foisted upon and it's just not how war works you cannot the more bombs you dropped is not

get you any closer to a new government or peace it has it has never succeeded in in history um and the

fact that were you know repeating the same mistake again after donald trump was elected on the basis

that he was the anti-war president um i i think to a lot of people inside the administration even

as maddening yeah yeah Malcolm nants aid magloklin i know Malcolm you have to go aid in um maybe some

of our viewers may have some questions for you if not afraid to answer questions but if you have

to go i'll understand i'll answer questions okay all righty uh Malcolm i know that you you need to

get to something else hey yeah thank you and i want to come i want to come on your program and

do you do your sub sack with you okay well that that would be great we're all in this together

they all want to see it all right don't forget we have a briefing every morning at nine a.m okay

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crazy so i'm good so i want to ask you we'll get back to the war but i want to ask you about the

media because you saw what's happening at cbs and i'm asking you because you work for media right now

you're there and you're covering a lot of this so i want to ask you about that and um about

what's happening at cbs and then cnn with the podcast mic so first uh as you see cbs and the numbers

i think they're at their lowest ratings in history right now yeah um and then you have cnn

trying to be podcasters and again i don't want to disparage them there they are trying something so

the state of the media right now please uh i mean just focusing on cbs for a second um i i think

that a lot of the problems that we're seeing cbs face right now are born out of a misdiagnosis

of the problem and it's a similar thing that we're seeing at the washington post um where these

billionaire owners come in and they have this view that the problem with the media right now

is that it is biased and that audiences have tuned out of cbs news and have stopped reading

you know the print paper of the washington post uh because they don't trust it anymore and because

it's too liberal and what they think is that if you could only reorient these uh institutions

you know ten percent towards the middle or the right uh towards their very specific view

that you that the audiences will come flooding back that is not the problem with the traditional press

the problem with the traditional press is that nobody is sitting down to watch cbs evening news

at seven thirty at night anymore people are scrolling on their phones and getting their

information on youtube and so and the the same thing goes for the washington post people are not

picking up the washington post is subscribing to the print edition of the paper as much as they used

because they're on you know instagram or tiktok or x or youtube and so the problem is in the disaster

for these institutions is that because their leadership has misdiagnosed the problem

what they're doing is they're coming in and they're ripping all the wires out they're chasing

away the audience that they have the remaining audience that's still watching cbs news in search

of an audience that does not exist um believe it or not people actually like opinion news there's a

reason why fox news is the highest rated network and all of cable news uh it's because it presents

a very strong opinion and people like that and so cbs news is not going to get the fox news audience

they're not going to be able to pull away anyone who's currently watching fox news and happy with it

and get them to watch cbs news um so i i think that explains why you're seeing a dip in the audience at

cbs um you know i i don't know if it's as disastrous yet um as as some of the headlines say um

but when you come into a network as barry wise has um and as the ellison's have and and presented

yourself as the savior of the network who's going to you know send audiences skyrocketing

and then the audience declines uh i think you should take a long hard look in the mirror and

and maybe reconsider whether or not you misdiagnosed the problem yeah and then um i'll just say what i

think about uh cnn i think they're the best journalist in the world um but i don't want to see my

iconic because they are iconic journalists um being i should say i say reduced because it's not

being a pot being in podcasting assuming it's not read a reduction for them but i just don't want

to see they they're not podcasters and they shouldn't be made out to be podcasters they're

they're credible journalists and i and i also think dawn like the the reason that people

listen to podcasters is because they develop a close relationship often a parasocial relationship

with people who they find to be authentic and if you put a podcast mic in front of a cnn anchor

on cnn it all it does is change the setting right it doesn't it doesn't lend that anchor

anymore authenticity so i i think it's also it's it's it's assuming that what people want to see

is someone sitting at their office desk with a podcast mic that's not why people tune into podcasters

it's not why people tune into you because um they find you authentic and and they like your

personality and your opinion and your view of the world um so i i think it's again it's it's a case

of misdiagnosing the problem yeah well i mean another person that they like all the same things can

be said about is joy read uh who joins us aiden you may get out of this whole question thing

because we may make joy do it and i know joy has her six o'clock live show that we're going to

send all the lemon heads over to after this but uh hey guys say hi to joy read legends hey legends

oh my gosh i'm gonna let me join in eight and make my eye i'm gonna join hey what do i

love you joy okay joy joy let me uh real quickly joys here because we're going to do tomorrow we're

uh it's a joint venture between joy and me and uh gemacosta we're going to cover the no kings

tomorrow so that's why joys here we're going to promote that and then we're going to send all

the lemon heads over to her show so kev you have your hands up quick question ten seconds for joy

aiden i mean anyone who wants to answer get answered to be honest with you but my question is

the deeper we get into this war i feel like it's not a it's not a matter of if but when we're going

to be attacked at home still a one to ten no likely do y'all feel that it's going to hat

and are we then and then joy uh i would see to joy here um so this is one of those questions where

i love what don was saying about the absurdity of putting a podcast mic in front of anchors at

cnn and sort of treating them as podcasters it's such a silly marketing ploy that makes no sense

but the difference between journalists and somebody who's just doing sort of a podcast for entertainment

is we can only speak from facts and i think the question of trying to speculate whether or not

iran will send its proxies like hezbollah to attack us in this country it's pure speculation we

have no way of knowing we have no way of knowing what iran will do what its proxies will do

we're not in their minds and i think speculating about it terrifies people for sure

and i think that there is a premium on that kind of sort of terrifying speculation in this world

the podcast world but as journalists all we can say is we have no idea what i can tell you

is that if something like that were to happen we are unprepared because the FBI under cash Patel

dismantled the entities within our federal government which were designed to detect and protect

us against that kind of an attack so if it happens you can blame your federal government for dismantling

the very structures and dismissing and doging out the people whose job it is to actually tell us if

that's going to happen and protect us. Keisha you have your hand up. Keisha you have your hand up and

let's yes i can hear you also can we bring in Mr. Jim Acosta Jim is here as well. I don't know

Jim Acosta come on in here we're taking questions from the legends. Hey how you doing guys?

By the way Ron be on your best behavior because we have a reporter from Vanity Fair who does report

on the media even though he's a Washington correspondent now for Vanity Fair. I'm on all slow

time. I'm like one of the people always on me. I'm not going this year so don't embarrass us in front of

the company Jim. Keisha which question please. I don't know how I got so lucky to be able to speak

to all of you but Joy I am also a reader so hello. Thank you. I'm a reader. I am wondering if you

all think that the paramount Warner Brothers deal will actually go through. I used to be an

avid 16 minutes watcher and I love CBS on the mornings and it's sad to see what's happened at CBS.

Aiden. I think certainly on the on the antitrust side it does seem like the Ellicons have been

able to develop a good enough relationship with the White House that at least if it comes down to

whether or not they'll get approval from the Trump administration that will not be a problem.

So I think as far as that goes they won't have an issue. It is shocking that a single family

will be able to now be in control of such a vast swap of American media knowing also that it's not

just CBS news and CNN that they would control but also the American company that is going to take

over TikTok. So I think any other administration would have serious antitrust concerns

about approving a merger like this. I don't see that as being a problem for the Trump administration at

this point. Yeah. Andrea. Well thank you for coming. I really appreciate all four of you.

The one thing I know about Donald Trump is everything he touches dies and I wondered do they know

that and the fact that mainstream media don't tell the truth. They actually answered to Trump

and the reason we listen to all four of you is because we're looking for truth tellers.

Will you always be willing to tell us the truth whether we like it or not?

Yeah. Jim you want to respond to that? Yeah. I first of all thank you very much. It's very kind

of you to say that and I think that what you're saying and what the nice lady before you was saying

is very emblematic of what we're hearing like from all kinds of folks these days which is

they're really disappointed in how the mainstream legacy corporate media wherever you want to call it

how they're handling this moment right now and Don and Joy you and I've talked about this before

you know when the anchor of the CBS evening news is signing off a show and saying we salute you

Marco Rubio I mean and when 60 minutes is holding pieces on the prison in El Salvador you know it's

pretty clear what they're doing over at CBS and if those folks take over CNN it stands the reason

those are the there's are going to be the kinds of decisions they make at CNN and so what happens

to CNN this is the kind of stuff I've been worried about for a very long time Don I think that

you know Aiden is right we have the potential for a propaganda network to take over in this country

that would be maybe even bigger than Fox if you can imagine that and you know what's stopping

that kind of a conglomerate from gobbling up NBC or ABC you know we can say let me jump in here

let me look that's an interesting perspective to have and I want you guys to weigh in too because

look Jim and I both read CNN for a very long time and that is not in CNN's DNA so you what do you

fight it will they acquiesce will they become conservative and just you know that's a that's

that's a at a crazy perspective or or I don't know that's crazy to me I just don't see it happening

at CNN but maybe well maybe they'll just get rid of everybody and then they'll start you know

putting conservatives in there or something I don't know some might be to I mean some might

be tempted to go along with it you know I mean I just don't know and then you know what does that

do to the rest of the folks there you know most of the folks there might say hey to hell with this

we're not going to do this and then the Allison's will have a decision to make I don't know I mean

it seems to me there are folks at CBS who have gone along with this and that makes me wonder

will we always hear the truth from youtubers because he's taken over the mainstream media will

you have the power to take over you too I don't think that he'll have the power to do that

especially so I mean you guys you would know more about that aid and again you study it joy

if you whoever wants to weigh in I don't think they'll be able to do that unless he buys somehow

someone buys you to where they come up with some stuff you know and there's always going to be

other platforms that you could jump to that's it derivatives left youtube and started rumble and

it's working great for them it can find large audiences there so you know independent media is the

wild west you know if there's ever a problem with a platform you can always jump to another one

I mean and just really yeah yeah no please no you go I was just going to say it's a really

interesting perspective to watch especially since we were both prime time acres you have a

gym prime time you were prime time weekend right Jim yeah and then you had another

you know another show I forget what and then they offered you the crazy shift but

as as people who have sat in those seats no one has ever tried in my entire in my entire 30 some

years as a journalist no one has ever told me that you have to do this you have to do that you have

to move to the right until my last year at CNN and if you look at what happened now they lost

their core audience you see what happens with CBS and I just it never works it never works no matter

how many times they try it MAGA is not going to watch CNN unless you get rid of everything you turn

it into a conservative Fox News network and that's the only way that they're going to do it not

only enough they're going to watch it then because then then Fox will just amp up their thing and

they'll just go further right and crazier you know what I mean so yeah and I think the same

thing was always true of MSNBC right I mean we used to joke that you know NBC would get annoyed at us

at MSNBC because the perception is we're just a bunch of liberals who are sort of tating the experience

of NBC news as a down the middle news network and we would always say well the only way that you'd

ever get you know we would have people like Andy Lack who would do these big team meetings

town hall meetings we'd say there's a whole flyover country world out there who we could bring in

to watch our network and we used to laugh at that and we used to say the only way that people were

ever going to watch this network is if it was not called MSNBC you'd have to change the name

well now we've actually run that experiment it's now Ms. now it's MS now the logo looks like newsmax

are more conservatives watching it no because in their mind the only thing they trust is Fox

even though Fox out and outlie to them after the 2020 election and let Donald Trump's lie about

supposedly really winning the election stand because they're so terrified of their audience

but even after they paid a seven hundred eighty seven million dollar fine or you know for

their audience is still blood loyal just like the audience for Donald Trump so these networks

joy gain more viewers they'll just lose respect joy you got a show to do at six o'clock so I want

to make sure I get in because you got to switch over and do your show yeah so joy and Gemini are

doing no Kings tomorrow I'm sure a bandy fair is going to do something on it but watch us between

one in four Eastern time and we're going to have everything covered anything you guys want to say

either all three of you about no Kings what you want people to do and the perspective even from

the magazine folks I'm just excited about no Kings I'm excited about being with you guys I got

to hang out with Jim today Jim and I were did our little fun stage actor you guys were with you were

with Jane Fonda Jane Fonda the legend Joan Baez it was incredible thing Billy Porter just the

legends but I'm excited about no Kings because number one Bruce Springsteen duh we're so excited

about that in Minneapolis and just being with you guys and all of our friends standing up to

autocracy it's what we do best and I'm excited to do it with you guys my friends not for respect and

not love yeah joy go do your show get ready we're gonna we're redirecting like we're sending all

of our you will get a link you will be redirecting the joy show after this because we're all in

this together this is different than corporate media where everybody's competing we're all in

this together thank you I'll see you tomorrow we're sending everybody over Jim what are you saying

yeah I mean I to me like this is a moment right now where we can just lift each other up you know

these these different journalists on different platforms as Aiden was talking about I mean this

is the beauty of independent media you know we don't answer there's no corporate executive who calls

us after the show is over and says you know I wish you hadn't said this so you know you know we

really need to go easy on this guy or you know why we should take into consideration the views of

their you know his people at all there's none of that we can just call him like we see him and

the public can figure this out I think that's why the viewers were saying it's interesting to hear

done what your viewers were saying there because it's not like you sent them little cue cards and

say hey ask a Jim and and Joy and Aiden this people have figured this out they're onto this

do you do you feel that sort of pressure in print Aiden no I mean I think you know I've I've never

had anyone tell me you know what to write you know occasionally we have standards and stuff you

have people tell you that you have to you know tone down what you've written or something or

or or remove some of the teeth from it but I think that's just that's just fair reporting but

I certainly know that you know in the magazine industry at a place like Vanity Fair like you know there

is a massive reputation to uphold and so that is the guiding you know north star of a magazine like

Vanity Fair and you know I know that one of the things that has always made Fox News at least lean

into opinion and certainly lead into misleading opinion when it came to the coverage of the 2020

election were those minute by minute ratings which you know would dip as soon as somebody came

on the air and said that the election was won by Joe Biden and that was an enormous pressure on

anchors and producers and guests to toe the line and to say that they support Donald Trump no matter

what he was saying and it still exists this day that pressure and so I think that's really really

potent in cable news very specifically in Jim you know I'm sure you didn't experience this at

CNN but you know about that dynamic because it's something that drives a lot of what we've

seen on CNN particularly when it comes to hosts or anchors that were not supported of Donald Trump

10 years ago and are now fully on the Trump trade yeah I mean the text was just that came out that

said that you know Sean Hannity was texting the White House and saying you got to get him to stop

talking about the election the 25th Amendment I mean there were there were anchors at Fox who were

texting the White House you know saying this you know Laura Ingraham saying this has got to stop

this is terrible well I mean there was a wasn't there a call where uh what there was a

New York Times was interviewing Donald Trump I believe and then and then was it that Brett

bears something called and you know they allegedly talk every day but anyway that's of another

color that's a whole other thing um hey just real quick Aiden before and then I'm bringing the

legends back what do you guys think of the folks who are in this independent media world what is

a print folks how do they feel about it so they think we're not well I mean what for better or

worse and I think they're you know there there are there are people who obviously you know mislead

their audience to grow it um you know that there there are there are bad stories there but you

guys are obviously the future um you know there there's a reason why when you try to change

traditional networks like CBS news the audience only shrinks uh it's because there is a small

and shrinking audience all of these companies are inexor in inexorable decline and so any

trying time you try to do a pivot it's not like 20 years ago where you could pivot get a star

in front of the camera and suddenly the audience would balloon that's not happening anymore

people are leaving these networks and going to independent media and they're starting to listen

to personalities that they trust and they have a personal relationship with that's the future

of media um so there are people that take advantage of their audiences like Candace Owens um and

then there are people who do it right like you Don and you Jim um but for better or worse that's

the future of media yeah thank you Aiden thank you Jim Jim go do your thing I'll see you tomorrow

okay I appreciate you guys let her thank you thank you bye thank you I appreciate you guys

coming on hello legends wait a minute I want to change my battery legends and let me just

i miss you guys how are you all right all right so i'm going to do quick responses like a quick

if a statement hey a quick statement are um and uh or respond to whatever a question

because i want to get everybody in hi raw what do you have for us um i just wanted to say that

i'm not going to be able to see you guys tomorrow because there's a big protest here in Puerto Rico

in regards to our natural resources which kind of combines but my question or my statement is

what are you what are you the different now can you hear me or are you the different now covering

the protest than you did before uh no i think look nothing different i think that you just cover it

you you you bring what's out there and what people are doing or saying i don't think that there's

any sort of thing that you really need to change that much but all we all we want to do is here

we want to hear why people are there what they're thinking and is it's going to change anything

for them in november go ahead i'm sorry no in the sense of adding value maybe something that you

can do before because you were like an editorial line oh you mean where no i know i can do whatever

i want i look we we had people out there asking questions last time we had reporters that were

all over my thing is that i don't feel people are as uh this one as isn't at the top of everyone's

newsfeed as the other one was the other two so i'm just i'm just you know it's interesting to

gauge the interest because i don't hear that many people talking about it um i know people

are going to show up but i don't see a lot of headlines you know on the cable and all of that

stuff so it just has me kind of wondering what's happening hi katie carrot hi don uh so this was more

for the panel but i can ask you this too um i know a lot of us are like on edge and scared

and tired and feeling helpless right now like for me personally my headspace this week has just been

not great um but what what do you think that we have like control of right now and i know like with

no kings tomorrow that'll be a way for people to get their voices heard but what do you what's your

opinion like what do you think well so my my opinion is that what do we have i think we i think the

the number one thing and i know people hate this you get get out and vote it's

that's one of the only that's the last option that we have and so i tell people the one thing

that you can control is yourself so you go find your polling place make sure your information is

correct make sure the ad your identification matches what's on your voter registration card

so that when you get to when you get there there's there are no if ands or buts about it

and you start that process right now and you get other people in your neighborhood or in your

community like the lemon heads or in even in your your communities at you know in your neighborhoods

where you live and you get them to do the same thing did you check your voter registration card

does it match your your birth certificate do you have a birth certificate anywhere do you have a

passport make sure you take two forms of ID when you go there so just make sure you don't want to get

there and go oh this is not your polling place so you can't vote here and then you go to the

other polling place and i'm like we don't have your information then you're fucked so that's the

only thing that we have and i do think this time and this is you know i don't know if this is good

or bad i think people there are a lot of people who are saying effort i'm not getting out there

in protesting i am sick of this shit i'm gonna go in november and i'm gonna vote him out i do

think that there's a lot of that right happening right now because people are just at their

widths end as you said Katie they had a bad week like you they're not in a good headspace and they

are just burnt out their fatigue they have news fatigue they have war fatigue and they have trump

fatigue and so that's where it is hi Jen everybody quick question hi yes um also i just want to say

juries everyone should do their jury duty because we have people being arrested for no reason so

juries and voting are the two things you can do also my 401k's down seven k by the way for the

beginning of the show but my question to you don is that can we normalize people just getting

fired and quitting like when did jobs become something that you absolutely cannot let go up i mean

i've been fired and it was the best thing that ever happened to me because it wasn't the right

place for me to be right well don't i know yeah but can we normalize that you said or can we

celebrate that yes like it's healthy like even aid in talking about the people who work for the

white house like say something don't you have morals don't you want to live a life where you

have been true to yourself exactly yeah i think people i think people have become too comfortable

and when you have a big cushy job you don't want to give that up you know some people are like

i asked one of my friends who who works in the business i said well why did you say anything and she

said they pay my kids private school tuition and i said okay at what cost at what cost

your life can look different your life can look different than you think it can

hi don't have to sit so long i miss i know you tell it's been i've been tired and work has been

crazy um but because we were talking about you know military um and the war i i had a question for

the panel but maybe you can answer how are they going to twist this entire war into a win like i

just don't understand because they uh picked a new supreme leader um everything is going in the

negative direction how are they if they pull out right now how is this going to be twisted into a

win okay this is how they're going to twist it this is they're going to twist it they're going to

twist it the same way bill bar twisted the the russia report they're going to take control of the

narrative before the news networks and before people even have a chance to figure it out so they're

going to do it that way then they're just going to claim that it is a victory and that's what they're

going to stick with and then the fox news of the world and everyone else would just

conservative media will go along with the president did do this and he uh he he got this uh he

achieved this goal uh and so they're going to do it anyways even if it's not true uh they're

going to say the goal was to knock out their nuclear they're going to say they knocked out the

nuclear weapons uh they're going to say that there was i know i'm just telling you you're being

too logical it doesn't make you're you're being too logical and you think you're living in a reality

world this president does not as you heard from Malcolm nance and from uh aid maglokland he only

gets positive news and people he turns everybody else off who is who has a either balanced perspective

or a negative perception about it he doesn't want people around him so they're going to tell him

what the what the win is he's going to go with it whether it is true or not and there's nothing you

can do to stop it except accept it but it doesn't mean that it has to be your reality that means you

got to get makes sure you go vote in november hello marine make sure you're not be makes

sure you're not muted i'm not muted what you got for right uh i really enjoyed the pastor this

morning i wanted you to know oh yeah yeah it was so uplifting i mean he brought me up

you know i appreciate you having him as a guest and i i'm going to talk about this on the podcast

i am uh in this afternoon uh the importance of the separation of church and state and uh i know

you feel that way also and i've read your book which everyone should read can you can you

elaborate more on that yourself about that yes yes um so i talk about the separation of church and

state and what it really means and um and you know in the book as i put i want to see that everybody's

faces so they can see what their reactions um so i think um the reason i wrote the book was

is for what is happening now even more so is that they were not just trying to blur the line between

church and state that they're trying to erase it and a lot of it has to do with christian nationalism

especially evangelicals and as you heard from the pastor kody dees this morning that's all about

control and it's really not this it's not really godly uh as he said i don't want to put words

and it's not but basically that's what he said and so i think that we have to be as steadfast

in that even as a believer even as a christian i understand the difference between my faith and

the secular world or um government and so i think we that's one of the things that we have to fight

for just as journalists have to write the fight for the first amendment the freedom of the press

we have to fight for the first amendment um the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech

so that's my perspective on it and uh as they say uh that's my tail and i'm sticking to it

that's it that's my story and i'm sticking to it hey barbra hey um so i had a question for the panel

but i'm hoping you can answer too because you know i know they they they can't stay that long

a lot of time to ask no it's okay i get it i get it i own percent get it um so my question is

is there any way to accurately predict the trajectory of the inflation that we're about to go

through more so than just the fuel costs and everything but like the goods the steel the i mean

because everything we're feeling at the gas pumps right now but we're going to have to

do it and every aspect here in order no there's no way inflation is creeping back up and as i said

in my open uh let's see i started by saying that the markets uh we've lost like all actually all

of the gain but um four point eight trillion dollars vaporized that's what happened four point eight

gone the s and p just officially posted it's the lowest close in two hundred and 32 days are

racing a trillion dollars of market cap just today this brings a total s and p five hundred

losses since the Iran war began to four point eight million dollars now here's the thing so you

can't really say the trajectory because we don't know if this war escalates it's going to be more than

that and so my answer to your question for me and i'm not a financial expert is no we can't gauge

your trajectory because we don't know what Donald Trump is going to do okay uh i don't shannon is

not at the camera let's go to uh shannon you better uh shannon is like i'm here

go ahead shannon sorry i'm trying to cook um my question actually was for the panel but it's about

something that happened last week when um mr. mark Wayne how do you feel about him being nominated

with absolutely first let me say this from first term he was trying to get people in there who

knew what they were doing who were generals who had served but this i get it put just just ask me

you know that asked me the question i don't you think about him being because he has absolutely no

mint military he's a yes man and he's not that smart of a person and they can control him

because you're thinking logically because you're thinking too logically they don't where they you

know remember in the beginning they said that uh that white man was about DEI white men weren't

getting jobs and they were being discriminated against and that white men were uh uh white men are

grieved and they're oppressed that that's basically what they said uh and that we should live in a

meritocracy when no one in any position of power including the president is qualified to be there

if this was really a meritocracy none of them would be there so what do i think i think um he's

probably i was going to say he can't be any worse and christie know him but we don't know

we'll wait and see why why i don't they know because they're blinded by ideology that's why

and because he's a right do they think he's qualified at this point because i served i feel like

i'm more qualified to be you probably are you probably are thank you Shannon i got to get some

other folks i think that was a very good question which by the way no i got a quick question for you

what you cooking huh what you cooking i'm oh i'm cooking some some steak blades

oh thanks for inviting us oh shoot uh i got to do don't have to be on joy show guys

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