Lessons learned from the UK MenB outbreak, Q&A 190

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Okay, some of you may have seen this report coming out of the UK. The numbers are quite

startling. From what I see here, there's about 30 total cases of these, but the confirmed

cases of fatalities are 10%, pretty significant. It's an outbreak of meningitis. We'll discuss

that story is quite something. And then there's another one that has been alarmed. I don't

know about you all out here, but you know, a lot of people have the pneumonia, COVID-19

in the lungs. Pretty serious, as my wife did as well, as you know. And now there's some

very interesting studies that is not good. It may reprogram the lung for future cancer.

And this one is quite concerning to me. Get to the bottom of this one. We'll do that

here today on the broadcast in Q&A 190. And on that note, welcome into America outlawed

polls. It is Malcolm outlawed here, along with my co-host.

Dr. Peter McCullough. All right. So Dr. McCullough, tell us about this, this uptick in

the UK, because the numbers are startling on this. What's behind all this?

Well, let's talk about the disease quickly, meningitis. And there's bacterial meningitis

caused by niceria meningitis. And there's other organisms that cause it pneumococcal meningitis

as another source. And of course, there's viral meningitis. But we're talking about bacterial

meningitis. It looks like the upper center was club chemistry, which is a nightclub right

around Kent University in Canterbury in the UK. The kids were doing hookah or vaping or maybe

even cocaine. But the point is, when there's a disruption of the nasal mucosa, particularly

in the back of the nose with a deep inhalation, for instance, the bacteria that normally lives

back there, niceria, it can invade and quickly cause meningitis. We ended up with 30 punitive cases,

20 confirmed cases. And sadly, two kids died, one high school student and one college student,

both traced back to this nightclub club chemistry. What I'm wondering is, why all of a sudden

does this, I mean, it sounds to me like this comes out of like, no, we're why, why all of a sudden?

You know, there are cases per year in the UK is there's an entire belt of man and

genitis that exists in sub-Saharan Africa. And what we have there is in these poor countries,

in this belt just south of the Saharan desert, there's a winds are called the Hamadi winds

that blow a lot of sand that again disrupt the nasal passages and make it possible for the

bacteria to invade. Now, in my career, I have seen some cases of bacterial meningitis and they're

serious and they can be fatal. In this case, it was a 10 percent mortality rate. That's what I've

seen in my practice. But it's typically been an alcoholic, a cocaine user or somebody,

it wasn't just a perfectly healthy person like you and me and it came out of the blue that it

traced back to some event. In this case, it traced back to this club chemistry, which is like a

drinking club of college hangout place. And even case a case up in Manchester, the individual had

visited the university and exported case from Kent University to France had also been at the

university. And there may be more cases, but the point is the UK Health Security Agency

stepped in with some big time intervention. Now, when you say vapin, crack things like this

or engage in the back of your throat kind of thing and then you say alcohol, how do you

compare all of those? Like, I don't understand. Like, you're not talking about somebody out that's

having an occasional drink that that's going to happen to. We're talking about an alcoholic.

No, I mean, you know, in these kids weren't alcoholics. They were ostensibly healthy. But,

you know, it's got to be the combination of, you know, sleepless night drinking, drinking half the

night, snorting, vaping, you mean, all a combination of all those things together. Yeah, something

that kind of lowers the defenses enough in order to have meningitis set in. Now, you know, there's

thousands of kids there on campus. Not everybody got it. You know, people just minding their own

business there perfectly fine. It's spread by large droplet. It's possible if somebody has a big

load in the back of their nose or mouth and they have a big cough or sneeze onto somebody else.

It's possible to transmit. But, you know, 15% of kids are walking around with this. You and I

could have it right now. But it doesn't easily transmit your saying. No. So, if you notice the

pictures from Kent University when they were waiting in line to get checked, no one was wearing

masks, for instance. It's not, it's not a contagious virus. It's a commensal bacteria that lives in

the back of the throat. And, you know, thank goodness, a single dose of cyprophloxicin in an

antibiotic sterilizes the back of the nose and throat and handles it. So, they had to, the big

intervention, the UK HSA did was call the kids in and they got a dose of cyprophloxicin to eradicate

the bug if it was there. But, again, 10% is a pretty serious number, isn't it? 10%

percent mortality rate, yes, for sure. And, in fact, the kids who died, it was quick. It was in

about 48 to 72 hours. So, the carnal features are headache, stiff neck, photophobia that bright

lights hurt. The neck becomes incredibly stiff, disorientation, headache, nausea vomiting. It's

unmistakable when we come into the emergency room. The neck is so stiff, you could actually lift

somebody up like a board from the back of their head. That's how stiff the neck is. It's just,

it's unmistakable. And, then a rash sets in. There's a purplish rash that comes over the,

you know, chest and abdomen. And, it's unmistakable. But, it's a ravaging disease. It can cause

loss of limb, permanent brain damage, seizures. You know, there were 26 hospitalizations as they

were sorting through these cases. Some needed life support. The kids who died, died despite life

support. And, we know, in the end, there can be permanent damage. And it's a very, very frightening

illness. So, it's treatable quickly. So, if in the emergency room, if they get a dose of

septal axon or septal taxine, get steroids, dexamethasone, we can get ahead of it. And, you know,

of those 20 confirmed cases, they were all hospitalized. 18 were treated and got out fine.

But, the two who died, it looked like it was a little too late.

Now, these cases are all, let me understand. I'm guessing or assuming they were all in the UK.

Is there any more concern with this and other areas? I mean, we've had no issues here. There's

been no uptake here in our country with a husband. No. We just need to learn from it. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. It's a teaching moment. It's a teaching moment. Right. Now, of these 30

punitive cases, it's generated thousands of press releases. Now, the press releases are all over.

And the vast majority of the press releases say, get a vaccine. So, what the public health

apparatus has figured out is that when there's an outbreak like this, it's a wonderful time to

advertise for vaccines. Now, the Nigeria meningitis, the previous versions of it, the AC,

WY strains, they're covered in a standard vaccine that children get through childhood. However,

the meningitis type B vaccine, that was not started in the UK as a routine on the schedule until

2015. So, you know, the kids who are in college now or high school almost certainly didn't receive

the vaccine, they could have gotten it privately in the UK system. But what's not fair is the UK

public health service is not telling us of these cases who actually was vaccinated and who was not.

Yeah. Some of that in the report itself, I've never read through this. But, you know, it seems

like, I don't know, it seems like they have a vaccine for everything or they want a vaccine for

everything or they think of vaccines, they answer for everything. Is that fair? Yes. And they

fear vaccine hesitancy. So, the idea is they talk amongst themselves. I'm sure. And if they

say, listen, this kid who died actually took the vaccine and despite the vaccine, he died,

let's not let that get out because that would drop confidence in vaccine. So, remember in the Biden

administration, Fauci and the corona task force, when they started seeing cases of COVID vaccine

heart damage, they had the same conversation. Should we level with America about this? The vaccine

is dangerous or should we keep it to ourselves? They kept it quiet and that became the focus of

US Senate hearing back in May of 2025. So, what we don't like Malcolm is the lack of transparency.

Just tell us in the UK, they've got an airtight vaccine data system. They know who took the men

is called back zero. They knew who took back zero vaccine and who didn't. And they're not saying.

You know, you just, it's really pretty sick, Dr. McCullough. You just can't trust the system

anymore. And I'm sorry, but I have zero trust for this. I just don't have any trust left on any

level. Not just this story, but about any story. Now, the conversation with someone earlier

today on this kind of convert, not this story itself, but in general of trust. And it's just hard

to trust. And when you talk about the vaccines, you know, you're right. There's no honorability.

There's no transparency. There's no trustworthiness. And you lose credibility. And when fear becomes

the name of the game, it's kind of sick. Right. And there's also false attributions. So I saw

a story out yesterday saying, thank goodness the cases of meningitis at Kent University are down

because the kids are getting the vaccine. Oh my god. Well, Malcolm, the the back zero vaccine,

you get shot one, then you wait 30 days and get shot two, then the immunity starts probably at

six weeks after the first shot. So this story broke around March 5th. There's no way the vaccine

could be having an impact. What makes this information, all of it stupid. Right. It's misleading

information. What's making the difference is the use of cyprophloxicin. And if the story would

have said, listen, what's really saving the day is we've got a very effective antibiotic. If we

roll it out, it's a single dose, 500, 750 milligrams. We've talked about this at the wellness

company, you know, cyprophloxicin is in our green travel kit, the forest green medical emergency

travel kit. That means you're going to UK. And if you're concerned, get one of these kids very

affordable, you know, have a portfolio of antibiotics, cyprophloxicin being one of them. It's just

this idea that everything in public health leads to a vaccine is misleading. And I think, you know,

the public has lost his trust. Yeah. And what you're talking about right now is valuable information.

I mean, this is, I'm just so, I mean, I don't know, it's eye-opening. And the fact that we're talking

about this right at the start of the program to me, I mean, I wish the people, and I know we have

a great audience in the UK, but I hope there, many of them will listen to this and spread this around

because there's a lot of mistruse out there and information, you just put out there,

clears up and off a lot within the whole community of this. And then like you say, the journalist

who run all these stories while this stuff, and this happened all throughout COVID, I mean,

they lied, they just plain out lied to your face, they threw things out there that were so bogus.

And people only read very little of these stories, get a remembered document called it, they read,

you know, a little bit of a headline, a little bit of a story, and they get pushed into something

that is so untrue that, you know, it could do a lot of harm to them. In fact, or the fact that they,

or like you say, they just want to sell more vaccines.

Malcolm, there's a couple more facets to the story. We covered it on focal points myself in John

Leak. We did ask the question, since this does seem to be an unusual outbreak, we asked the question,

could something else be going on? So the meningitis B vaccine bexero is started for children

in 2015. So now we've got enough younger kids potentially having interactions with their older

siblings who didn't get the vaccine. The kids go off to college. Could the vaccinated children be

harboring now a resistance strain? This is very important with the coccal vaccine. That's exactly

what happened. We started out with a pneumovax and then quickly the bacteria mutates. And in a few

years, we need another one. And a few years we need another one. And the bacteria keeps outsmarting

the vaccine. We got 10 years of use of bexero. And in fact, that we covered this on focal points.

Bexero is also being used because it has some cross immunity for niceria gonorrhea. So it's

being offered in large quantities to those with sexually transmitted diseases. And so could this be

now, since people walk around with this bacteria in the back of the throat, could it be fostering

a more resistant strain? The other thing we consider Malcolm, and I think we have to in these

outbreaks, is did it come from a UK bio lab? Yes, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen the question on

that. And so we explored this and they're doing meningitis research in the UK at some

premier centers. But the center that has the dangerous samples and their claim is they have

tens of thousands of dangerous samples is in Bristol, the UK. I was just in Bristol a few weeks

ago. That's actually reasonably close to Kent University. So if there was any investigation

going on, it's like, listen, did any of the kids travel from Bristol to there? Are there any

collaborations with the lab in Bristol? Because let's say a baby develops severe fatal

meningitis B. And a sample is collected. It's kept at that lab. So remember how they get samples

many times are from fatal cases. While bacteria mutate, and the more lethal strains may actually

cause a fatality, but the lab has captured the sample of the bacteria. It raises, you know,

enough questions that the public should be asking this. Yeah, we've been we've been trying to

raise awareness on these bio labs that are all over the place. And it's a tricky situation.

Let's get to this other story here if we can please. This is another very interesting one. You

did a piece on it. And this is people and a lot of people, including my wife, had a very

serious case of COVID pneumonia. And this was this was bad. This was really bad. Some people

didn't make it through it. Many people were put on ventilators. Many, many of those people

didn't make most of those people didn't make it through it. In that case, you know, in my particular

personal case, we stayed just came close to getting on the ventilator, but we were we were

to escape it. But we were hours, two hours away from being put on the ventilator. There was no

doubt about it. We barely escaped with our lives here. And my wife did. And so this was quite

alarming. You know, the thing about this, these COVID pneumonia things, Dr. Matala, is that

the scarin and the damage to the lung, it does not improve right away. And I don't know how to.

And I imagine there are things we can do to to help that lung over a period of time. In fact,

I'm a tell them away. We've got to go see a pulmonologist. We want to start talking about this

thing a little bit more and look at particular options. Because like she can't be in real cold,

cold weather. It's just in she, her tears come at her eyes. She's in pain with it because the

the damage and the pain to the lungs at that point. But this is one where you're talking about.

This could reprogram the lung for future cancer. This is this was stunning. Tell me about this.

This is a paper by Dr. Quien, a basic science group at Yurster, Virginia. It's published in

cell. The title of the paper is respiratory viral infections, prime accelerated cancer growth.

And they evaluated both COVID-19 and influenza. But there's no doubt it's really influenza. That's

a concern. Now, there is a database of 76 million adults, it's called the Epic Cosmos database,

that found that those who had COVID-19 required hospitalizations. So that would be like you in

D. There was about a 24-axis rate of developing lung cancer, independent of smoking and other

traditional risk factors. So they set out to evaluate what's going on in these pulmonary

pneumocytes that can lead to what's called a non-small cell lung cancer. And there was a variety of

factors here. There are some of our natural white blood cells that seek out and destroy

early cancer cells. These are actually depressed. And I think they're probably depressed because of

the unmeasured factor being the spike protein from the vaccine and from the infection. In this case,

we're just as early in on the infection. But the point here, and I'll read it from our focal points,

it says, thus viral pneumonia leaves an epigenetically imprinted spike protein inflammatory memory

that continuously biases the lung towards neutrophil dominated immunosuppressive conditions. And

you remember how you said, he can't tolerate the cold and she's not the same after this kind of brutal

COVID pneumonia. This supports this. And I can tell you what I'm doing in my practice. I am worried

about this. We have a lung cancer screening test. It's called an ultra-fast CT. And it's

screened specifically for cancer. They actually even have some cancer algorithms there. It's covered

by Medicare. So it's covered for smokers. And I think for my severe COVID patients, particularly

those in 2020-2021, I'm going to consider this test. Yeah, for sure. Now, you say 24%.

That seems to me like a pretty high number. That's a quarter percent are developed.

Well, it's not really. It's a 24% excess for observational studies of big time exposures.

Let's take lung cancer, for instance, in smoking. We would have a two-to-fourfold increase,

a 200-400% increase. A 24% increase is not much. But in 76 million people, it's a signal.

Because this infection was so different, so unique, the virus came out of a biolab because

problems we've never seen before. I'm going to be cautious with this. And you know, Malcolm,

I recently just did a test myself. I don't know if you've heard of this. But I went through a pre-novo.

Okay. Have you heard of this? No. Yeah. So pre-novo is, you can do it. It's a test we've

signed up for. You go through some screening. But it is a high-resolution, non-contrast MRI.

And so as long as your MRI compatible, you don't have metal in your body, you can go through it.

And it takes about a half an hour. You're in the scanner. And they make it very comfortable,

by the way. I did not feel claustrophobic enough. They've got these 3D glasses where you're

kind of watching something and you're distracted and going through their breath hole. But it does do a

very high-resolution cancer screening algorithm. And I just did my torso and my abdomen,

my chest and my abdomen. How they make sure that we're not any cancers hiding in there.

And you know, I think it's worth it. We're in a time where cancer is on the rise. And you know,

we don't have very good measures to traditionally screen for. Let's say kidney cancer,

adrenal cancer, pancreatic cancer. We just don't have it. But they would light up like a

Christmas tree on this test. So it's called a pre-novo. P-R-E-N-U-V-O. And they have centers

all over the United States. I just went through it. I just had my consult with the practitioner

and follow up, I asked to talk to the radiologist. And in general, what they're advising,

to say, listen, if you go through a pre-novo and you don't see any cancers there,

you really don't have to do anything for about five years. And then you just may want to recon.

Well, this is fascinating, this pre-novo. This is, and what part, hold on. You said you did part

of the body. What part did you do again? Well, I did my torso, which was my chest and abdomen.

Now, you can do the whole body if you want to. Why didn't you do the whole body, I wonder?

Well, because to be honest with you, there's not much action up in the brain and the sinuses

in the back of the throat that you wouldn't, that would become apparent to you pretty quickly.

And same thing down in the legs, if there was a lump in your legs or a melanoma, you would see it.

Where cancer is lurk and you don't see them is inside the chest or abdominal cavities.

So you did that most of the crucial part there. For listeners to understand this kind of a test,

what kind of a cause is that of this test? And does health cover this thing?

No, it's not covered by health insurance. And I think the full body scan is about $1,700

and there's a little promo code to get $300 off. And that what I did was just under $1,000.

So about a thousand for the for the for the chest and abdomen. Right.

Chest and abdomen. Yeah. Yeah. Making a couple of notes here. Yeah. Very, very interesting.

But it's but but it works. The main thing is it works, right? It works.

Well, I mean, let me give an example. Malcolm, I had a patient of mine. I've seen him for 10 years.

Great athlete. He was a swimmer for SMU. He's on a blood thinner for a mechanical heart valve.

He devops pain on his side, severe pain. He's hospitalized long in the short of it. He has a

nine centimeter kidney cancer, nine centimeters. And he's a big, strong man, big chest and

strong abdominal muscles. He goes, Doc, nine centimeters and you couldn't pick that up on exam.

Wow. I told him, listen, you know, I examine patients carefully. It's hiding back there.

Nobody could feel it. The only way you could see it is either by a CT or an MRI.

Now CTs are fine, but you do get radiation with them. The nice thing about the MRI is that

there's no radiation. It's just you're in a tight chamber and you just have to be able to live

with that. They've made it a lot more manageable Malcolm with these special glasses you put on.

And you literally feel like you're in a movie theater. You could be watching anything you want to.

You wouldn't know the scanner is right on top of that. That is correct me on this. That's no

different than an MRI, which I've had several many times. And I don't find them a problem.

Is it worse than that or is it about this? It's just a little bit more extensive. It takes a

little bit more time. You've had a MRI. It's right. So for your, you've had probably, and so they

probably use those glasses for you, right? Yeah, they did. Although I didn't need them a couple

of times. I had, remember, I had that whole jaw surgery. I had a couple of big problems here

where I needed to have that done. But, um, yeah, and I've had them for my, my, my, my, my digestive

track and all of that. Okay. Well, yeah. But, um, this is interesting. You know, you know,

what really gets me on this? I want to ask you or share with you a moment here. When I ask you

the question a moment ago, so everybody would understand like a pre-novo, I just was curious.

I didn't think health insurance would cover it, but I asked the question anyway. She said,

no, no, don't, don't you have to pay out of pocket? And I'm just wondering here, why is it that in

this sick care environment we have, they would rather spend, you know, hundreds of thousands or whatever

on, on, on treating the cancer or somebody that goes through all the cancer stuff than if they could

detect it. In other words, we don't do any preventive stuff in our healthcare system. It seems

to me very little, very little. You have to be sick and about dead before they want to cover the

test and what heavy that you're going to have. But God forbid, you want to get something to stay

healthy on the other side, which is really the proper way to do it. Health care, not sick care.

And yet, that's never covered. And do I have a point? You have a point, it's, it's frustrating

because for prevention, remember, prevention would apply to everybody at a certain age, like,

you know, for women, get a mammogram at a certain age or get a colonoscopy. So when you apply

something to the entire population, that's a big cost. If you let a much smaller fraction

get sick with the cancer and even treating a cancer, believe it or not, for the system is cheaper.

So, you know, prevention doesn't pay yet. It's something that we all want. And I think the new

normal Malcolm is that we spend some of our money. We just make an investment in something that's

preventive. I mean, if I had a little two centimeter kidney cancer, you know, that could be

surgically removed easily. And I could be saved, you know, misery of metastasis and chemotherapy

and everything else. And I just rather know, and with this type of image, you don't have to do it,

you know, every year. We're talking about once every five years.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I just, you know, I know everything you said is accurate.

But I just have a real challenge with understanding that love and people is the way I do. I just

think people are worth more than, and I don't know, there's something screwed up about the whole

thing in my world, whereas if we could save lives and save pain and save discomfort and all

that, you're thinking humanity, we find out a way to do these things. I just find as we're

asked backwards sometimes, Peter, the way we do think this piece. I'm with you. If we invested

wholeheartedly in cancer, early screening and detection, we invested heavily in some of these

other areas and just did it, in the end, the society would be so much better off. I mean,

giving another example in my field that's been a fight forever. And the conditions called

hypertrophic cardiomyopathy or an abnormal thickness of the heart that leads to cardiac arrest. And

this has been going on, you know, for decades. And it happens in young athletes. And I've always

said, why can't we just get an EKG on every kid before they start sports in junior high and do

a quick ultrasound on the heart and screen for this condition? And yet every year you'll hear about

some kid having a cardiac arrest on the playing field, it turns out to be hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

And it's so frustrating. Here in Dallas, there was a family of this little boy who died Zachary.

The family said, listen, we'll pay for this. If Medicare Medicaid insurance,

if no one will pay for these screening tests, we'll do it because we don't want to see

another kid suffer a cardiac arrest. I mean, that's how crazy it is. So we have to do better

on prevention. I would love to see an administration get in there and say, you know what,

we're going to spend money, but it's on prevention. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I just think it's the

way we should be doing things. And I've told you many times on this broadcast, cancer is one of

those things that I just think as a people, we should have been further down the road and cure

in this. And I think our health system gets in the way of this kind of stuff. And it's the same

thing with Alzheimer's and dementia and all of that. It's another thing that has touched my life

in ways only because I've seen people suffer through it around me. And I became more aware that

as a young man, when Ronald Reagan got it, and I've told you this before, and it really saddened

me as a young man that he was losing his golden years and that beautiful time after that coming

home and then having that. And I see that with others. I've seen it with family members and

others. And I just think these are certain things in our system. I wish we would put more attention

to be preventive. And we'd have a better quality of life. We'd be able to sleep a little better at

night. I don't think we're doing the job we should do as a people. And it saddens me. And I just

would like to become more of a voice for that, Peter. I just feel like it's my duty to get out

loud with that. Out loud. That's what it's all about. There we go. Well, I'd respond to that by

saying, listen, I've been touched personally by Alzheimer's and dementia. My dad died with it at 83.

My mom has it now. My mom just had a stroke in the last month. We saw her over the weekend.

My mom cannot remember the day before. So if I come the day before now, she can't remember

that I was even there. So the memory is now, you know, a day or shorter. And I published this

on focal points. I've been searching what can prevent this. You know, there was a very good

in the analysis suggesting, believe it or not, if you get outside every day and exercise,

get outside and Malcolm, you know, I'm going to ask you what day you are in terms of your walking

that that alone was associated with a substantial decrease. It is. I've read the back story. I'm telling

you, you're 100 million percent right? I've read the back stories on this. I've read extensively

about outside being outside lifestyle, walking all of that. And the major benefits you get from

this Peter are stunning. Yeah. And do you know what? Malcolm, my parents never did that. Yeah,

I stayed in the house the entire time. They were TV watchers. And you know, before this broadcast,

I just went through a full strength workout. I got on the bike with my wife. We biked, came back,

I ran, came back, and then I did some little honeydews around the house. And I just got on the

mic right now. I love it. But you know, the point is, boy, if we can't learn, I mean, I'm 24 years

younger than my mother. If I can't figure this out in the next 24 years, I'm in trouble.

Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love you, brother. And just for saying that, right? And putting that

out there in the way you just did, listen, listen, I'm on you. Ask the question. All right. So today,

I'm on 340 days straight. 340 days is my street coming up on a year and 25 more days. I'll be

celebrating a full year. And that the app just measures it every day and where I'm walking five

miles a day. And and I love it. I love it. I love doing it. And D comes with me a good amount

of the time. She can't always do it because her schedule conflicts with minor times. And so it

differs a little bit. But I have her out walking to build her health up, build her lungs, all of that.

And she she likes to do it as well. And so we do the same thing you and I do. We get out and we do

that stuff together. You know, it's a couple, you know. And a plus when we see when we see you in

Nashville, you'll be you'll have passed that 365 days to make a slide up for that. You know,

it really makes a difference when you walk the talk. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. It really does.

It really does. And by the way, yeah, it's just in Nashville last weekend for the international

college. Yeah. Integrative medicine, ICIM meeting. And there was a presenter on fitness. And this guy

was older than me. I think it was around 70. And he had his game together. He was fit, strong,

works out. And afterwards I was, you know, you know, two years of exchanging ideas. And I told the

meeting planner, I said, we should always have a lecture on this topic. Yeah. Yeah. We should,

just to remind us that we need to do this. And of course, the data are are incontrovertible that

this is so good for you. Yeah. I want to share something personally with you here that I don't

think you know, but I am writing a book right now. And I'm in the process. This is a, this is

something, this is a program I've developed and put together. Oh, some years ago, I did public

speaking on it in my advertising days. But listen to this. You're going to love this. That's a

doc. And I'll just share this with you for the first time real quick. It's called defeat the five

human ailments, the five human ailments. Now, here's funny. We talk about health all the time in

all of this. But these are five human. Listen to what they are, Peter. You're going to love it.

Complacentitis, not now fever, dirty money disease, copy cutosis, and judgementanoma.

So those are five human ailments. I have discovered that hold people back. And so I am

absolutely going through. And this is something I developed about 15 years ago. Peter, if you can

believe this, about 15 years ago in my advertising days, I did this, I developed this program. This,

this exactly what I'm sharing with you now. And it's so funny because now health care and health

has become so central to my life on America out loud, which I didn't entirely anticipate. But it

has. And then working with you and doing all the cool things we do here. And now I, this has been

on my consciousness. And it came, it, it's been really chlorine at me over the past many months

that I got to get back to that. I got to get back to that. And I pulled it all up. And I've got a

very cool graphic here and everything right in front of me. This is something I did, like I said,

about 15 years ago. And I said, I have got to write the book on this. And I'm doing it right now.

I'm doing it. You know, these, these terms, sometimes they're acronym, sometimes they're

pneumonics or sometimes they're just, you know, various axioms. When you can get something like that,

and it sticks in your mind, you know, for the long term, or sometimes permanently, you change

people. They can actually change your life. They change people's lives. They said the same thing.

Like that book, you remember that book, the four agreements, that is a phenomenal book,

or you know, you get these books or like a chicken soup for the soul, you know, there's these

interesting books and they become like, like, like part of the vernacular of people, the self

improvement, the self improvement. Well, if you, there's a, it's an older book again. It's an

old book. It's, I think it's called How to Win Friends and Business Context. Yeah. Yeah. You

know that one, right? Yeah. I do. But that one always stuck with me because, you know, I'm not in

business, but you know, people in business, what you are in business, you are. Well, in a sense,

but people read that book. But so for instance, you know, in Madison, we're in the business of people.

And do you know how many doctors and nurses cannot remember people's names? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

They really can't. If you go in the hospital, you know, they don't say, I have Mary McCullough

down the hall. They'll say, well, I have, you know, 224. You're kind of known as a number, you know,

you're in 224. But what this book said, and what is this, a Dale Carnegie or which book is that

Malcolm, I want to make sure I'm right. I think it's how to win friends and business. It's an

influence people. Yeah. It's Dale Carnegie. How to win friends and influence people.

What he says, listen, you come up to somebody and you meet them. Go ahead and say their name three

times. So they say, hey, Malcolm, you're a pretty cool guy. Malcolm, you got a great hairdo. Malcolm

is that a earring you've got in Malcolm. I noticed you. You know what I mean? So you just use

a name and that way you get the name. His name is Malcolm. That's a, that's something they teach you

actually in sales and sales. Yeah. They teach you, they teach you in sales. Another one in that

Dale Carnegie book, which is really good. And you know, who's really, really, I think great at it

is Joe Rogan. And that is listening to learn. So I think Joe's one of his great strengths is when

he asks a question, he genuinely is listening to learn. Yeah. And I go, listen, I go on the news.

Everyone knows I'm a frequent contributor on Fox and the major networks. So many times the

person asked me a question, they're not interested in my answer at all. They're just interested in

what they think about it. And you know, they're the person they're in. I could name some names,

but I'm not going to do it. I'm going to be fresh here, but I could name some names to you that

you've been on with who fit that catalog. But I'm not going to do it. Not going to. Right. But

so the idea if you ask a question is you ask it with a genuine interest that you're trying to

learn. Amen. And there is a way of listening and engagement. Yeah. That makes a big, big

difference in life that gets you ahead. Well, it's like, it's like the best way to sell is not to

sell. It's to solve a problem. That's why it's a young lad. I was a star salesman because I

always loved people and I wanted to help people. And the way you can actually do really well,

if you don't put the sale before the opportunity to help somebody and provide that service,

some people just do it for the sales. But if you don't do that, you actually score better.

And I was a star salesman as a young lad. I could sell anything. And that helps me today

on radio because it helps you be more witty. It helps you be able to pull rabbits quickly out of

the hat and be able to have the comeback on things or that sort of thing be a little more witty.

Sure. It helps me a lot today on national radio for sure. But anyway, there you go. Well,

I used Dale Carnegie today, actually. So I drove out to Crowley, Texas, which is south of Fort

Worth to go on a show. I went on a podcast with Sharon Bowling, who's on the actually one,

Trump's one of Trump's religious panels. And I got there an hour early, which I should,

right, because I want to be ready. So I went to a coffee shop and I got a cup of coffee and I just

have my phone. And then I looked at my phone, I said, who should I call? And so if you have some

time and you have a phone, you can look at, you know, when, and this is in the case of customers

or clients or patients and sure enough, I had two or three patients to call who I knew there

are little loose odds and ends that they had questions would have you. And I called them. And one

of my patients texted back afterwards goes, I really liked your practice style. You know, instead of

having a prolonged text exchange, just calling and just talking about whatever problem it was

to to solve problems. That shows somebody who passionately cares. That's what that does right

there. Right. And somebody in sales who calls. Yeah. And they call to make sure how is

their customer doing? The doctor calls to see how I love that when the talk. Yeah, I've created

great friendships out of some of the doctors. So the one doctor, the world, we're known

or oral surgeon who did my TMJ surgery became a very dear close friend of mine. And I still know,

we still communicate to this day. And of course, when he did the surgery, I remember that's a

surgery I lost 37 pounds on and they read my jaw and I had the whole thing. But then we got to

talk about Nashville a quick second here. So we are now three and a half months away. You know, Peter,

three and a half. I got my tickets now. I'm so locked and loaded. Yeah, you are. So we're three and

a half months away. And this is going to be just totally something unique, totally different. It's

history. But from what I understand right now is the countdown where a lot of people, and especially

our general audience where they start to get those tickets. And here's here's what I want to

point out to everybody. If you are going, the early bird is on there for one more week. The event

director on this whole thing, which is not me, by the way, Joanna, she reminded me there's about a

week left. And there's a countdown on the when you go to America out loud, news, forward slash

Nashville or just hit Nashville in the menu on the site here is about a week left. So that's it.

And then there's no more of that. Then we're onward to the conference. Oddly enough, the VIP

thing is close to selling out, Peter, the VIP part of it. But the general audience, there are tickets

left. The other yet, but you've got the VIP. You got the early bird right now that is available.

But this is going to be something totally different. I don't think this is going to be

re-duplicated anywhere because of it's not just the edge at entertainment process because you're

in Nashville, Tennessee. But the educational process of this thing is going to be spectacular

with some of the things we're going to be talking about. And the speakers and the panel

discussions and all, it's just a very eclectic group of talented people out there, experts,

people that are, I call them change makers, change makers. Is there people that are making a

difference in life? So I see them as change makers. But it's going to be very fascinating. And I

think with everything, there's a lot that's going into this thing. So I don't know. It's coming quick,

but I hope not too quick because we've got a lot of work to do. I've got to tell you, you know?

Well, it's going to be great. It's just in Nashville. One of my favorite towns, it's safe. There's

restaurants all over. The walking is great. We're going to have a terrific fireworks show. We're

going to be at the top of the hotel. I got so many friends in Nashville. Great podcasts. I just

went on Theo Vaughn's show. In fact, I should text Theo and tell him why don't you come and hang

out with us at America to 5010. Theo is amazing. He's right there in Nashville. And I didn't

realize Malcolm, you know, he's had Trump on his podcast and JD Vance and RFK. I was really

honored and he's come, he's really come along. He really, really fact checked me. We're using

artificial intelligence. So get ready for this new age. Well, maybe we shouldn't have him do it.

Maybe we have him talk at the time. Is he good talk a good speaker? Well, he's a standup

comedian. And you know, it's interesting. Malcolm, we profiled ourselves at the wellness

company. And you know what? I have the oldest following. Wow. Actually, I have an older

following doctor. Drew does. And so when I went on Theo Vaughn, I was shocked. My 30-year-old

daughter said, you went on Theo Vaughn, his audience is completely different. It's a very,

very good one. That's good. It takes it up a little bit here. She wants to come and we'll get

him on stage here or get him on some discussions or have some fun with us out there. Be real good,

real good stuff. Yeah, he's right there. I am getting ready to have a Nashville doctor on my show

about female hormones. Jen Plufragar, who's really dynamic. She has her own show called Ask Dr.

Jen. Nashville also has so many other, it's really become an entertainment hub. A lot of people

of California in their entertainment business. They're out there at music, of course, country music.

When you're out in Nashville, if you can get a little bit of a break, go to the country music

hall of fame. It's absolutely true. Well, there's a lot of suggestions we're going to have for

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Okay, we join you back here on America out loud pulse. Malcolm out loud here with Dr. Peter McCullough

and always a privilege to be with you. My fellow Americans, welcome back to the broadcast.

I want to mention real quickly too when you go to the shop by the way and you're looking at all

these great products. There's two great new products from the wellness company which we are really

seeing people loving a lot. One is Terzepatide, which is goes after the it's big weight loss program,

but it goes after the GLP1 and GLP, GLP I guess, it is. But there's no needle with this, right?

Dr. McCullough is no needle. No, it's a dissolvable tablet now. So we've worked our way through

shots and the clinic to drops and the dissolvable tablet seems to have, you know, a little better

kind of duration of effect. And boy, it does shut off the hunger drive people are doing very

well on it. We do think the orally administered products are far safer than the shots. I don't

like shots. Yeah, they don't like the shots. I can tell you that now. The other one is shield,

which is a product Dr. Kelly victories personally involved in and which is the fact of the

matter is like in the others, he one in three people will face some kind of cancer you prepared.

This is her personal story actually and put in this together and she's put it together and it's

very, very interesting. Read more about it. Go to the shop. It's the right at the top there. You'll

see it and use code out loud at any of the products, including we last week, by the way, we have

the sprout guy on Dr. McCullough and I had a ball with Doug Evans. I love that guy. Yeah, he's cool.

Everybody needs to get a sprout set up. So that is up near. Yeah, yeah, they're on their grow.

It's grow your own super food in just a few days. I just love these sprouts and both Dr. McCullough

and I and our wives are growing them on the counter and they're just phenomenal.

And then there's other things going on. The beer bar is great and then don't forget

clear with the nasal products now, but also they have a full line of great stuff. And they're

going to be having their products in Nashville there. You'll see a lot of these products out there.

So it's going to be really cool too with the health products out there. Let's get to a few

questions here if we can here. And this first one is from Lisa. I never took the COVID vaccine.

I did get a very mild case of COVID in 22. I've now started dating a guy who told me he took two of

the COVID vaccines back May and June of 21. My question is, I've avoided any kind of kissing or

intimate contact with him. Does he still have a spike protein in his body two years now and can

he transmit his spike proteins to me through kissing? He did tell me he'd been taking narrow

kinase for the last few months, but I'm still not convinced that the spike protein is left his

body. Please, Dr. McCullough, a super straightforward answer will help me thank you and God bless you

and Malcolm. What do you say to Lisa? I tell you, Malcolm, people need love. They really do.

Amen. They need love. And I think honestly, we're at the point where you certainly can measure a

blood test, the spike antibody. If it's less than 5,000, we've never found it in the bloodstream.

It means it's not in saliva or other secretions. But, you know, yeah, absent of the blood test,

I think people are on the detox for a reasonable period of time. I haven't seen any evidence

of transference. So, if she's on the detox, we're talking ultimates by detox in a wellness company.

And he's on detox. I think people can feel much more comfortable about intimacy and developing

those relationships. You know, we should actually put like a little sticker on the front of the

detox, Malcolm, and have like a little pink heart. Tell them people, this is the this is the go ahead

for some some great loving intimacy. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. This one's from Percy. Thank you

both. You're a bright light of hope in this dark time. Wow. Percy, that is quite a comment.

Do the antibody levels for COVID wane over time? I've seen reports that even after taking the

vaccine, the antibody levels dropped over time in most people that could possibly be a sign of

removal of the mRNA and spike naturally. Couldn't it? What do you say to that? Yes, I think it does.

The antibody is going down our reliable indicator that the spike is going down because the spike

is stimulating antibody production. And in the absence of most people are doing the detox. Remember,

we had data last week about long COVID reducing. If you go on Amazon, you know, you'll find multiple

companies have spike detox. Essentially, they're using macolor protocol and the auto kinase,

bromline, curcumin, and some other ingredients. And that's fine. Your wellness company, we make

the ultimate spike detox. But our philosophy here is that a rising tide elevates all boats in

the harbor. People need spike detoxification. I think a principle way why people are getting

better is that it comes out in sweat, Malcolm. And so as people sweat, particularly young athletes

would have their detoxing, the only way you can get it out of your body is through sweat or taking

the ultimate spike detox or something similar. Are this ones from Leon? As the mRNA is synthetic,

does that mean we can't remove it? Again, the only evidence we have is sweat and breast milk.

That messenger RNA comes out there. It is synthetic. We haven't found any human enzymes that can

break it down. You know, that's the reason why so many people Malcolm are getting sonnets.

People live up in the Northeast. It's still cold up there. You can get an infrared sonnet,

it's like a little teepee. You can set it up in your apartment and go in there. I saw a demonstration.

Let me tell you, you can really start sweating within a matter of a few minutes and sweat this

messenger RNA onto the body. Okay. All right. And that seems to be a good key. We keep talking about

that sweat and sweat to the oldies. Turn the oldies on a sweat to that. Leon,

um, that was, there's your answer there. This one is from Bridget on episode 179. Dr.

McCullough was referenced in vitamin K2 at 200 micrograms daily or bone health. Is he using the

MK4 or MK7 form? Japanese studies that shown MK4 is superior for osteoporosis and they use it

therapeutically there. But I've also read compelling arguments for MK7. What does Dr. McCullough

recommend for bone health? So let's take a popular brand, which is Thorn, THOR and E. It's

a pretty high quality brand. I would recommend it for other things looking at their vitamin K2.

And they in their brand here, they have a small amount as MK4, 5 milligrams,

1 milligram as K1. And the other K2 is actually 90 mics of the MK7. So I think let's say a product

like Thorn, you can have vitamin K2 span both MK4 and MK7, sometimes. Yeah, both there. Yeah.

All right. Let's get this last one in from Ahmed. Some doctors mentioned the vaccine can cause

death years later as it causes myocarditis and micro scars. Does it essentially mean cardiac

arrest is inevitable? Can the scars in myocarditis heal with the detox and even without detox or

all the scars permanent and could fast and be a method to speed up recovery given it provides

cellular turnover? Wow. I don't think they're permanent Malcolm. There was a paper by Koyuz move

and colleagues that showed us that people did have cardiac arrest and died and then vaccine

micro scars. But the body has capability of healing. There are MRI studies suggesting that what

we can infer as maybe a scar or damage does heal and recover critically, spike detoxification is

part of it getting rid of the spike protein and also colchocin. Colchocin is a prescription drug

mandatory for someone with myocarditis for at least a year. I'm using that drug extensively.

I've just published a peer reviewed paper on this application in the the journal of the European

Society of Medicine. So you can check that out. We're going to be featuring this semi-twitter feed.

But the bottom line is Malcolm. I think the heart can heal, but it takes a proactive

intervention with the ultimate spike detox from the wellness company and a prescription drug called

Colchocin. Okay. All right. All right. That's a wrap here. What a great show, a great program here

and good to be with all of you out there. Thanks for joining us here on America out loud pulse.

Always a beat ahead.