Local Hour: 305 Day (feat. Paula Lavigne & Dan Arruda)

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What time is it, Ben?

It's Barbara Dyer!

We're late starting this because Chris Cody was shouting,

headphones as you need headphones, and Zaz couldn't hear him

from underneath the bald cap.

Couldn't hear, didn't know that he had to put on his headphones.

Trying to look authentic.

So, before we get to today's show, can you guys explain to me why it is that I'm doing

some research for a story about Brian Pada and Murder?

I'm hearing you guys throw chancletas in the other room.

Dan, what day is it today?

It's Thursday.

Okay, what date?

I don't know, what is it March 4th?

March 5th.

305.

Our same area code, 305.

So it's 305 day, Dan, you heard it 305 day?

Isn't it 035 day?

If you're in Europe, buddy, this is America Jack.

Like, what do you, what do you mean?

You put the day in front of the month now?

This isn't America Jack.

This is Miami Jack.

And this is a fucking, a couple year standing long tradition

where my amians make a big deal out of this

day to celebrate all things Miami.

Exactly right, Mike.

Trista, do you know anything about 305 day?

Your dancing is if you're feeling it in your waist.

Well, I like the, I like the, I like the music.

HR, right?

Let's just keep going.

Don't make it weird.

Never heard of it, but I hear that I've got some things that I need to do.

I've got like a station, um, I have to make people, what are we doing?

What, what, what, what, what's a station?

What does she mean?

What's she talking about?

Dan, I brought in some firepower.

Okay, for 305 day, we brought in 305 legends here to the studio

to make things happen.

We're going to make things a little spicy.

Okay, a little exciting here on 305 day later on in the show.

Percolator?

Some sort of percolator?

Coffee?

Well, percolator.

We're percolating on it.

It's a competition.

A team competition with all sorts of Miami centric things

that you have to accomplish.

Don't throw too much.

You are the most, I'm not telling them too much.

I'm not the most.

I'm literally not telling them too much.

Don't talk too much.

I'm not the most Miami.

I know that.

I don't think I'm going to, I think I'm not going to be successful at this.

Don't tell them too much.

Don't tell them too much.

This is the Don Levertars show with the StugaSpotcast.

The Charlotte Hornets, huh?

Yeah.

Trista said yesterday, the most fun team in the league,

they beat the last three defending champions by 20 plus points.

And it's the first team to do that in 60 years.

The Hornets.

This is the best stretch they've ever had.

It only had to be bad for a decade to do it.

It's the best that you've seen a team beat the hell out of other teams in the last six games.

Since the 2017-2018 Warriors, we are talking about

the next, next, next, next defending champs.

They're over 500.

Do you think you'd ever be alive to see the day?

They're 16 and three in their last 19,

and that starting lineup with Brandon Miller,

and Lamellabal and Kineppel is 22 this season.

Moose.

Moose, yeah, you've got to buy Moose a Diabate then.

I did forget about him because I didn't know about him.

You didn't know about the Moose?

I'm just learning about it, but I wrote it down.

I'm an NBA guy this week.

Good play, good play.

Look, the East, interesting.

It's fun.

It's, no, I'm into the NBA at least in one conference.

Right now, there's a very real chance

that because, you know, the Miami Heat,

they're gonna be a plan team.

It's their invitation all over the year.

There's a very real chance that

the final game of the play in to get the number eight seed

is Charlotte at Miami in a winner-take-all.

Who are you supposed to be dressed like?

Like, I think you're wearing it seriously.

It seems like one of the men in black done poorly.

Like, if they were bald, if the men in black

in the matrix, you know.

You are Jason Satham?

Agent Smith.

Keep going.

Who are you supposed to be dressed now?

And why do you have a bald cap on your bald head?

Why don't you-

I'm going for authenticity.

You know about that authenticity?

The authenticity would be if you had just your normal bald head.

Well, who are you?

What are you, what are you being to me?

Well, this is three or five day, number one.

So I don't know why it's taking you so many guesses.

I mean, look at your boy here.

Who am I?

Stanley Tucci.

Stanley Tucci.

Who am I?

Come on now, Dali.

Oh, now I know.

A pit bull.

Now, Armando.

Armando.

Armando.

Now I know.

Now I am a pit bull.

Okay, so he is pit bull.

I was saying right before we started here

that I can't believe Zaz has already paid more penalties

than the rest of the people who have always worked here combined.

Well, it's called integrity.

That is what it's called.

You are the one the chief integrity

soaked person that we have around here.

Tony, you and Jeremy

are wearing the same thing, but you're not.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

I didn't even realize that.

That's a good way to describe it.

I didn't even realize that.

You have the same top.

Was that mean?

No.

Both weren't on the same bottom.

Yeah, nice little black button down

shirt with some glasses on.

Yeah, I know we look good.

His is unbuttoned a little bit more.

They both decided to wear black shirt.

That's on you guys.

So three or five day is going to entail what?

Because I have at the end of this hour,

Mike has no enthusiasm for what it is

that we're doing toward the end of this hour.

The murder at the U podcast has become very popular.

You've heard me talk about how I believe that

America has a mental illness when it comes to being addicted

to these murder podcasts that I don't think are helping anyone

stay sane while they're driving around.

But it's a huge economy, the murder podcast.

And this one, an unsolved murder

for 20 years of a former University of Miami football player,

Brian Patta, this podcast has become very popular

because they've dug deep on what was a hung jury this week.

They evidently will get more information later in the show.

But evidently, a hung jury on what would have been

resolution to that crime that still leaves a family

with no resolution.

That seems to be an odd thing,

but also an appropriate thing to put right in the middle

of a 305 celebration.

How was it?

I'm sorry, Mike.

How was it a hung jury?

Because I mean, look, I haven't paid close attention

the last few weeks to it, but it was,

wasn't it just, it was like a couple of years ago,

were weren't we sure that it was the guy in the picture

who, you know, may have done it?

Everybody was pretty sure about that.

And I think, look, I'm exactly the kind of guy

that's not into a podcast series.

It's reliving arguably the darkest day

in the history of the Miami program.

It's a terrible tragedy.

It makes me sad.

I know it's awfully convenient for me to say

I don't want to see it because it makes me feel a certain way,

but it also blends worlds with another issue

that I have, which is true podcasts,

true crime podcasts in general,

because they, and I used to be into them.

And then I realized, wait, I'm part of an impressionable audience

that is taking in content.

And I'm putting a lot of trust in producers

who may be motivated by telling the truth.

But also, how is that prioritized against making something compelling,

making something entertaining?

And I think it's kind of

wrought this whole internet sleuthing culture

that sometimes does some really good work

and sometimes misses the mark.

And I do think it's an important thing to note that

this is an act of trial that just had a hung jury

and you have a piece of content

that has led people a certain way.

I don't know what happened.

I would, I would love justice to be brought,

especially for the pad of family.

But when you couple the typical Miami sensationalism of ESPN

and I know Miami sells, I'm not really holding that against them,

but I'm just explaining why I'm always out on that stuff.

And the true crime podcast genre as a whole,

this is just not for me.

So when you say darkest days in University of Miami history,

it's when I think of that, I think of

there have been two murders of players, right?

It's this in Marlon Barnes, right?

And I think that this one being unsolved

and being resurrected 20 years later

is something that has caught the country's attention.

We will have the reporters of that story

on later this hour.

We're also going to do some of the 305 things.

You're going to have to explain to me what these games are.

I see the CEO, no paddles out here.

I also know Tony thought that 305 day made it

that he was exonerated from having to work,

that he was at the work like everybody else.

Yeah, it's a celebration, Dan.

And obviously this is very much our day.

It's my day, obviously, as you can see.

And it's like, I didn't think that I was going to need to be here

to do these things, right?

Like Carl Pum in the schedule, and I was going to be like,

Carl, it's 305 day, like, you know,

obviously Roy's over in Key West with Rose,

doing whatever he's been celebrating 305.

He's on 954, so are these guys up front?

954 is all of them.

I feel like it's probably one of many days.

Tony, you feel like you shouldn't have to work.

You too, 954 over there trying to cause play

as my culture.

Yo, my cell phone is 305, and everybody knows

whatever your cell phone is, that's what you're about.

I'm 305.

Then why are you dressed as Alan Arkin?

Question, if you moved to Broward,

can you still rep the 305?

Absolutely not.

That's what I do.

There's only one guy that can.

That's you, Donnis Hasel.

That's it.

Everybody else cannot, he can.

Most of the people here, I think, are 786.

Are they not all your cell phones?

I'm a 305er, sir.

Big phones.

That's also younger people, because all the 305 numbers

were taken.

I was OG in that, Dan.

Barry.

I'm my phone 786.

It's been the same phone number for 20 years,

but they did change it on me at some point.

I don't even know what the rules were on that.

You were the first 786.

It was very confusing to me.

I didn't like it.

I still don't like it.

You guys back in the day didn't have area codes, right?

You would just dial numbers.

7 digits.

That had to be wild.

I can't even go in.

4, 6, 4, 2, 3.

It's a real thing.

Crazy.

People would ask me for my number, and I'd start it off with like 5,

5, 4.

Yep.

7 digits get you where you're going.

Heck, 407, which is Orlando.

407 used to be in Broward, upper Broward.

Yeah.

I can tell Orlando Broward's same thing.

I have in my phone here when I didn't know this,

when it came to celebrity.

There is a celebrity cell phone number

that I have that I've never seen before.

It ends with 4 zeros.

Have you guys ever dialed a telephone number

that ends with 4 zeros?

Put it on the poll at LeBetard Show.

Have you ever dialed a telephone number

that ends with 4 zeros?

Look at that.

That's all of you are holding up the note.

I have, but it was something else.

Yeah.

We are celebrating today, 305 Day,

and we've gotten from ESPN,

the intellectual property of highly questionable

and poppy CO-0.

We're going to play CO-0 here in a second.

But to celebrate the University of Miami,

I do want, as March begins here,

and we get into college basketball.

The University of Miami dragged SMU yesterday.

And when you're talking about what is their record, Mike?

It's 24 and six.

I don't think that they have had many teams

that have been this good through 30 games in their history.

No, this is one of the best records in Miami history.

24 and six.

And yesterday, they didn't even play that well.

16 turnovers.

16 turnovers, that's just in the second half.

Hey, it was crazy.

That was just in the second half.

It kind of slept walk through an away game

at what is presently predicted to be a tournament team,

coached by Andy Enfield.

All right, but the thing that I wanted

to put in front of the audience

because it is Andy Enfield and those boys

and Germano Neal Jr. is on SMU's team as well.

I think it's field.

Yeah, it's field, I think.

Man, it's been such a long time since Dunk City.

I forgot that he was at USC for a while.

Boopy Miller?

Hard to kill.

Yeah, he can score a little bit.

The game that I saw last night though, okay.

The University of Miami is bad at threes.

I've been saying I don't think that team can go too deep

in the tournament because they're playing five guys,

but they got contributions last night

for beyond the five, right?

And so they're not good at threes,

but they have a guy who I was introduced to last night

who's I'm thinking 41 years old.

And he's shooting threes like a professional.

And in the last 17 games, he had made six.

But since the second half of this weekend, he's made eight.

Like he's eight for his last nine from threes.

They don't have that as part of their skill set.

They throw the ball at the shot clock

and then they're more muscular than you.

And it's why Shelton Henderson is 0 for 13 on his last threes.

And I'm surprised.

I'm surprised anytime he makes a three.

Why wasn't Eric Dickerson at SMU to watch his nephew

that we all learned about two weeks ago?

Is it because he also learned two weeks ago

that that's his nephew?

George Bush was at the game.

I know PTSD.

I was like the Chihuahua meme with the choppers in the background

watching George W Bush at an SMU Miami game.

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Don Lebertard.

It's not my favorite region.

Context needs to be applied.

Stone for a joke and thought that context was a plan.

We like to rip that out of context.

I was going for a thing.

And you're gonna, you're the family?

You're gonna pretend here that you don't love Matthew

could truck more than you love anybody you've ever loved.

I don't love Matthew could truck more than my daughter.

Stugats.

Now it's pretty damn close.

This is the Don Lebertard show with the Stugats.

How old is Dobrat, Dobrat?

No, I'm Dobrat.

I mean, he played professionally in Israel

and you're right, Dan.

This is something that he fell out of the rotation

very early in the season.

Miami had a very tight rotation.

We were right to criticize their lack of depth.

But no, I'm coming online this weekend

and it's been apparently a challenge.

They've mentioned this on the broadcast yesterday

for Jay Lucas to get him confident enough to the point

to shoot the ball when he has a shot.

He has a neon green light.

They were saying on the broadcast

that his name around the team is no, shoot the ball.

No, shoot the ball.

And you can see why he's excellent from downtown.

And that is a layer to the scene that, as you mentioned,

they have been completely missing.

It helps with the depth issues.

It helps when you run into zones,

which this team will run into.

I think it's hugely important for Miami team

that I think we kind of undersold the talent on.

They have developed and you look at guys like Trey Donaldson

who had at six foot three

and that consistent running layup that he has

and his ability to shoot from downtown

and his ability to defend, he's a pro.

Wait, you day, he's a pro.

Wait, wait, wait, all right.

You underestimated the talent on this team

because you were questioning when they were 17

and six, whether or not this is a tournament team.

And now what you're saying is you think

the skill set on this team has,

well, this is what you're saying.

More pros than any University of Miami basketball team

has ever had on the roster at one time.

What you're saying.

Yeah, I was thinking that.

In comparison to the team that made it to the final four,

you had Jordan Miller, Nourchatt O'Mears scored his first

at the end of the day.

I saw it made a ZBU Nourchatt.

Yeah, I love the aggregation algorithm

that I'm all on right now, which is anytime he does something.

You're a good algorithm now, finally.

First Nicaraguan to get a personal foul.

I get a tile that tells me that.

I'm like, all right, baby food, great.

First assist, amazing.

But, you know, those are guys that have had to go through

the G leak and I do think that Miami,

and I know you day is limited.

So what, he's a big man.

I'm not saying he's Dirk Novitsky,

but he has the lateral speed to come out

and defend on the perimeter.

He's basically the Andre Jordan around the hoop.

You know, he's not a terrible free throw shooter.

He was immense on the defensive end last night.

So yeah, I think that they got three guys

that are going to have careers and opportunities in the NBA,

especially Shelton who came in as a five star

and has the body and physical attributes set.

My algorithms, all boobs.

But shocking, I think.

I'm really encouraged about this team

where I thought, you know, we're a feisty team,

we're hard-knows, we're going to be a pill to play in the tournament.

And then they lost FSU and I didn't really know how to reconcile with that,

but it was just a little mid-season hiccup.

They're better for that adversity.

And you watch this team play and you're like, man,

this isn't just full school.

Like some of these guys are legit good.

Are they going to be able to get double-by?

Oh, yeah, they're locked in as a three-season in the ACC tournament.

What four get double-byes?

Yes.

All right, then.

I want to, though, again, 24 and six.

I don't know a lot of Miami teams ever

that have started that way through 30 games.

I told you that I thought of this last, they've won seven of eight.

The most impressive one to me was the one they lost

where they go to Virginia, they're on the road,

they're going punch for punch with a top 15 team

that's shooting 50% from three.

And at the end of the game, a foul does them in.

But this is what was available last night

that I hadn't seen all season.

That's a professional three-point shooter.

That guy, look, all their other players don't,

I mean, Donaldson can shoot threes,

but all their other players look like I can't trust them when they're shooting.

Renu can too, but he's selective.

He's an inside guy.

He's an inside guy and you need him inside.

No, Ray Neu makes threes at a 30% clip.

If he's wide open, he will take them

and he will make them for a big man.

But when I'm watching last night and I'm hearing,

Jim Bayheim, yell, yell of Dovrat,

you can't leave him open.

I'm like, what world am I watching?

Where's Jim Bayheim saying you can't leave a guy open

who had six threes in the last 17 games

before the second half of this weekend?

It's an amazing job by Jay Lucas.

He's brought in a bunch of Florida guys.

You talk about like putting a fence around your recruiting area.

These are a lot of Florida guys that are on this team

and it's mixed in with a healthy dose of Europeans.

And I think you could say, Jay Lucas is pretty much hit on everybody.

And Jim Bayheim was touting Jay Lucas

as national coach of the year this year.

Like this is an amazing first year

when you consider where he had to pick up the tatters

of this program that he had to have this program rise

from the ashes from.

What's the over under right now?

On what?

How many years Jay Lucas is here?

Oh, that, yeah, every Kentucky game, I'm worried.

I think it's different now.

And I'm not saying things like tradition don't matter.

Reparinas, awe-inspiring.

I think there are a lot of great programs

that have committed a lot of NIL.

But I do think it's a different era.

And it's not like this program hasn't shown you

what it's capable of in very recent years.

And go into an elite eight and then a final four.

I do think things like program tradition

in a day like today where a guy who is so great

at talent acquisition, he can build something here.

So I actually think he's got to stay for a couple seasons

and not just be one and done like a lot of people assume.

And you're talking about a new era.

BYU is getting five star after five star after five star

has a number one pick coming out.

If he wants to go, now there's a report

that he may not trust.

That's the whole weird part about this whole NIL situation

is he's going to make, if he continues to play,

let's say he plays all four years in college,

might make 30 million dollars in a row.

Wait a minute, what do you mean?

The number one pick in the draft

that's a freshman's not coming out.

Yeah, he said his mom wants him to graduate.

Mama's, they lead the charge on these things.

Okay, mama's, but how much is he being paid at BYU mama?

Seven million dollars at BYU.

Per year?

Well, just this year, you might even get more if he stays.

No, wait a minute.

That's a crumble money.

You know about that crumble money?

Wait a minute.

Hold on a sec.

We're paying, we're paying college freshman

in basketball twice as much as we're paying college quarterbacks.

Yep.

Since when?

Since AJDB nasty.

This is a first here.

There is a player in college basketball

making seven million dollars a year

saying he might not go to the pros.

What does Cooper flag make?

Like, is it going to be more?

Is it going to be advantageous?

It can't be more profitable to be in college

than in the pros, can it?

No, he's making 13 million in his rookie contract.

But listen, BYU and Provo have a lot of money

and they want to keep AJ and they ended up just getting

a top five kid, a five star for this next class.

BYU is the future of college.

Yeah, here it is.

It's all right.

How are you guys not shocked by that number?

I've got to think that is this a widely known thing

that there is a player in college basketball

making seven million dollars a year?

Yeah, last year when they said,

hey, it's going to make seven million bucks.

And everybody's like, wow, that's a lot.

Okay, what are we doing?

Then it's like, why is he going to BYU?

Again, it's a kid from Boston.

Why is he going to BYU?

And now they got another five star kid coming

on top of another five star kid who's already there.

And you look at the disparity of college basketball

and it's like completely different.

There is a segment of the population

which I think I would be lumped into, which is,

all right, let me turn.

If my college basketball team isn't good,

I'm just going to follow the sport in March.

And then you're appreciative of these mega teams

at Calipari would build.

Like, okay, five NBA guys on one team, I can do that.

But now, not unlike football,

the talent is going everywhere.

And you have more wide open competition.

And I think it is in football,

is going to be better for the sport.

I'm going to put this on the pole.

I don't believe the audience at large

would not be surprised by that information.

Put it on the pole at Levitard Show.

Are you surprised that a college basketball player

at BYU is making seven million dollars a year?

I knew he was the number one overall pick.

I did not know that that was the going price.

When else is BYU paid players?

They've been saving up for this moment.

They got the money now.

There's even talk that Shelton Henderson

is going to stick around for another year.

And I think he's a little different

because there are obvious holes in his game

that he can develop.

But usually those guys work it out on the NBA level

and go from there.

It's a new age.

Everybody was tired of the one and done.

It's killing college basketball.

There's no more seniors.

There's no more juniors.

They don't exist.

And the guys that are seniors and juniors

are not good enough to play in the league.

Now NIL is going to allow for these guys

to basically make a career at a college basketball.

That's right.

No, Nigel Pack is still playing college basketball.

To play basketball for six years.

Yeah, he's at Oklahoma.

He was in the 2020 I like class.

Well, I think the thing that's actually more interesting

about AJ and this like comments that he's making

is you've got all these NBA teams that are tanking

and they're tanking egregiously.

And they're not places that a guy like AJ may want to play.

So he throws out in this interview like,

hey, I may not come into the draft.

Like I may stay for years.

Like if you're a team like Utah,

you are shitting your pants.

You know what, this is like we have been tanking

for three years for this kid.

And if you tell me we got a tank for three more,

Danny, I don't know if you can do it.

You know what?

That right there might be the solution to tanking

is that NIL is going to stop tanking.

You have players.

You have kids who are going to stay in school maybe

because you can come out and he's, you know,

at least with the NFL, you know they're either coming out

after year three or year four with the NBA.

Is it going to come out this year?

Is it going to come out this year?

Is it going to come out this year?

It's like, who knows?

Maybe NIL is going to solve tanking.

Reason for guys to stay now is that they can make

some amount of money that they weren't making before.

But the bigger part is you still want to come out

because you want to get closer to that next contract.

While seven million might be close to the 13 million

that you're making and you might make more coming back

for that second season, you don't want to be 27 years

old as you're trying to go for that first max contract

because you'll have opportunities for two

of those 200 to 400 million dollar deals.

Well, Adam Silver says everything's on the table, Jeremy,

for tanking.

So maybe we can give a rookie a max contract

right when it comes out.

It's code for, he doesn't have a clue.

That's true.

Is there nothing, right?

There's nothing.

Nothing.

I agree with you there.

But the other thing too is like this is not talking

about elite star guys coming out of high school into college.

The one and dumb guys are always going to be one and done.

They're just going to get a bigger bag on the front end.

This is for guys that take a couple years to develop

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you know, preparing like, like a, uh,

a norchado mere Jordan Miller who's been great.

Like there's, there's a lot of that, uh, trajectory

for those middle guys.

You say, uh, seniors and juniors aren't playing.

The University of Miami had a person who was a senior.

Not in school.

That, that shooter last night is 40 years old.

That's, that is not a, that is not a shame on him.

By the way, shame on him.

If he's a professional and he played basketball

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But this is nothing.

Right, which is what Jay Lucas was asking

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We have way too much going on, uh, right now, uh,

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This is the Don Lebatard show with a Stugatz.

All right, I've got to get to our guests here in a second,

but Domino, real quick, you're in the other room,

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that we're doing today as soon as we get past our guests here.

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Okay, that's about enough of that.

No, that's a little bit...

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Don't know who he's talking about, Bobby.

Put him away for a second.

Now, Pila Levine and Dan Aruda have done some reporting

that not a lot of people are doing anymore these days.

On November 7, 2006, we mentioned that Brian Pato

was shot in the head outside his apartment complex

after coming home from practice.

It has been unsolved for 20 years.

If you listen to Murder at the U, a seven-part podcast

on the case and an ESPN investigation,

you will find a lot of holes

in the Miami Police Department's police work.

Thank you for joining us, Pala and Dan.

I will start with you, Pala.

Can you tell us the greatest level of shotiness

that you found in the Miami Police Department

when you guys were doing some of this reporting on this case?

Wow, there's such a list.

First of all, Dan, thank you so much for having us.

I appreciate being able to talk about the Murder at the U

Podcast.

And I remember talking to you about this story back in 2020.

So it's crazy that it's still going on.

Well, we found so many things with errors with Miami

Police.

They didn't interview witnesses.

They should have interviewed.

They lost documents.

They lost track of people.

I think the biggest one was when they were trying to bring

their key eyewitness in for testimony.

And they said, he's dead.

He can't come in.

He's dead.

The STM found that he was not dead,

which is generally a pretty black thing

when you're investigating someone.

And we went to his house in Louisville, Kentucky

and interviewed him.

And he's very much alive.

Unfortunately, though, the passage of time

has degraded his memory.

And he wasn't able to come and testify.

But that whole process still speaks to just the overall

integrity of the investigation and the police work

that brought this forward.

And as we'll probably get to, added in a mistrial.

Yeah, that mistrial was this week.

But Dan, can you walk us through a little bit

of what you made of what happened this week

and how heartbroken you were for the Patta family

to still not have anything that resembles resolution on this?

Yeah, Dan, I think the interesting thing

about what we saw in this trial

is that it laid out almost exactly what our podcasts showed.

It was, you know, we interviewed family,

we interviewed friends, we interviewed the police.

And it was all the same evidence that the state

gave over to the jury.

There was really no surprises in this trial.

Probably because there has been no new evidence gathered

in since the 2000, 2006, 7, 8 era.

So the question lends itself to why was this case

taken so long to be brought to trial?

As far as the Patta family goes,

they were just incredible throughout this ordeal.

They came in 18 strong on day one.

And those numbers didn't facilitate for the entire trial.

They had two rows strong with Patta family members there.

Jeanette Patta, Brian's mother wheeled in

and a wheelchair every day,

every day showing her support.

And it just breaks your heart to know

that they're gonna have to do this all over again.

They've been waiting so long for justice.

And now they're gonna have to put a pause on that yet again.

Paula, based on your reporting,

what does justice look like here?

Like what, the facts lead you to what here?

Well, the problem is that the facts aren't very good

and they're not entirely complete.

And I'm gonna ask that question about,

you know, what is justice me?

And I think one of the things that we really get to

in the murder of you podcast is that,

I don't know that anyone at the end of the day

really gets the justice that they want.

I mean, I think there will always be a question.

And I think one thing,

you know, I've said this many times,

is that one thing that the Miami-Dade police department

and the state attorney's office should offer to the Pat

a family, regardless of what the end game is here,

is an apology for what they didn't do for so many years.

An apology for this whole process.

And just a general apology for the pain and anguish

that they've suffered on top of losing their loved one

so many years ago.

Why haven't they?

Has that been requested?

Is they saying they have nothing to apologize for?

What why Paula has there not been an apology

when there's obviously a need for an apology?

I don't know.

I don't know what the conversations have been,

you know, recently with the Pat a family.

I know that what triggered this whole thing,

and we were talking about this the other day,

what really kind of prompted ESPN to dig into this was

when they initially came to us,

the Miami-Dade police department came to us

and wanted to do something on this.

One of the things we saw is this press conference

that they had done with the family

and in that press conference,

Jeanette Patta just goes off script

and she calls out the police department

for not doing anything on the case.

And it was very evident and made as curious from the get-go,

why is this family so upset, you know,

what has been done to them?

Like why did they feel like that they're being ignored?

And I just, you know, I just think at the end of this,

you know, whatever they get out of this trial,

I just feel like someone needs to say to them,

like look, we dropped them all

and I don't know if that's happened,

but I do think that they're out there.

I should tell people that Billy Corbin

will be addressing this in because Miami this week,

but when we talk Dan about the amount of effort

that it requires to report something like this,

can you take us both through the amount of manpower

or all hours that you guys put into this

versus whether or not it was more than the number of hours

that you suspect the Miami police department

was putting into it because you were actually trying to solve it

and the Miami police department seemed less interested

in doing that until you guys started making it clear

that you were trying to solve it.

It's a fair question, Dan.

You know, to date, we've interviewed well, well over 100 people,

we've gathered more than 5,000 documents

and pieces of evidence to go along with our reporting.

Clearly the Miami-Dade police

were not expecting us to sign a flashlight into their work,

but once we saw the deficiencies in that work,

we knew that we had to press forward.

We knew we had to press them for answers.

I think we did a pretty good job of giving a better overall picture

of the case because again, for 15 years,

no one knew exactly what was going on

and we were the ones that finally got to show the public

that were showing Jones was a primary suspect,

the entire time, despite them holding that evidence back.

Paula, can you walk us through how your investigation

specifically led to Patas former teammate,

as he mentioned, Rashon Jones being arrested 15 years

after the murder?

Well, I think one thing that we can say certainly

is that our investigation prompted them to actually look

at this case again and bring it forward.

And that, you know, and they've been admitted to that.

I think one of the bigger questions is in this whole process,

ESPN ended up having to sue the Miami-Dade police department

for access to the records and the result of that lawsuit,

essentially put the Miami-Dade police department

on the clock for making an arrest.

And we don't know for sure if that's what prompted there or not,

but it's certainly a coincidence.

And, you know, we would like to think that when they made this arrest,

we'd like to think, oh, maybe there were some new evidence

that they found between the time of our lawsuit and then.

And it doesn't seem that there was anything new

that came about it, just from their explanation.

They said, well, just taking that better look at it

and maybe re-interviewing some people.

That's what got us here.

And I know that was something that we questioned

and after this mistrial was something the jurors

even questioned as well.

I am always interested when people get obsessed

with solving something like this

because vetting the facts is really hard.

Evidence this many years after something is really hard.

For you, Dan, what is the piece of evidence or proof

that you feel like you uncovered

that made you run to Paula and say,

you're not going to believe this that I found?

It's interestingly a piece of evidence

that was never really introduced into trial.

Pretty early on in my interviews with Brian's teammates,

I spoke to one of his teammates named Chris Selner,

who was adamant that less than an hour

before Brian was murdered,

he overheard Brian in the locker room

in a very heated discussion.

And he said something to the effect of the person

on the other line, well, come and get it.

We thought right away,

that's got to be connected to what happened to Brian.

But all these years later,

we still haven't been able to find all of the phone records

because Brian had two phones at the time.

They pulled the records on one.

We don't think they pulled the records on the other.

So to this day, we don't know whether that phone call

actually had anything to do with Brian's murder.

It's a mystery that we really want solved.

Paula, do you have the same answer to that question

or is it different?

No, Dan, I mean, absolutely.

You asked me earlier about the evidence and the mistakes.

And one of the things that keeps coming up

is why didn't the police pull these phone records?

I mean, they had the ability to,

they had so many people who, you know,

said there were conversations and at trial,

they made it clear to the jury.

Yeah, we don't have these.

But then there's confusion over,

like, why don't you have them

and why aren't you showing them to us?

And the problem with phone records is, you know,

after a certain period of time,

usually like seven years or so,

the phone companies, they destroyed them.

And so it's again, a testament to how the passage of time

has eroded the evidence in this case.

And yeah, I would say that that mystery

with that particular phone call,

my gosh, if we could solve that,

I think, I really think that would point to something

because it's such the timing, the nature of it.

You know, if you were the police department,

you would think you would certainly want

to track that down right away.

Dan, is all of this still a mystery to you?

I know you guys have to be journalists here.

You have to aspire to objectivity.

You have to base things on the facts,

but I'm going to just ask you directly,

what do you think happened here?

Dan, I wish I could tell you.

I've been at this for eight years.

I've seen every piece of evidence

that the police has allowed us to see.

I sat through the trial.

I still have no idea whether Rashan Jones

was there and he pulled that trigger.

And that's hard to say that

because after you think after all those evidence,

you could find some kind of truth.

But I'm not sure at the end of the day

we're ever going to know the full truth.

Paula, do you have a way that you lean here

or is that an unfair question to ask you?

Like when I just say to you directly,

do you think Rashan Jones did it

if you had to bet and guess and be right

based on all of your research, your thoughts or what there?

Are you allowed to answer that question?

Well, Dan, I think I would echo some of what Dan said,

which is there's not enough evidence there

to point me in that direction.

And one thing that we know

and that we put in the murder of the you podcast

is it's not just the evidence point

to Rashan Jones, it's all the other leads that police had.

And there are like three or four of them

that are legitimate.

I mean, there are anything that any investigator

would be like, you know, that has legs.

And those leads weren't completely exhausted.

So you have two things.

You have these other possibilities

that are seem very, very valid

and could use further investigation.

And then you also have with the case with Rashan,

you've got some evidence point to him,

but not anything definitive.

So I think, and some of the jurors said this is well,

they're saying like, I don't know if Rashan did it

or didn't do it, but I know that I have a way

that the state didn't prove it.

The YouTubers have begun an investigation, Paula,

into your background and they're saying

that it is totally fake, that that background

that you have there is not in any way real

and they want you to touch it to prove

that it is not in any way real

because they think it's going to move.

They think it's going to move like water would move

if you put your finger in it.

Well, that shouldn't be the indicator.

The indicator should be that there's no way

I have an office.

This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

my gosh, my real office is like stuff scanning everywhere.

Thank you guys for the work that you've been doing.

Not enough of it is being done.

Journalists are being having resources

taken away from them at all times.

So it's nice to see that investigative work

is still being done in the name of fairness

and justice.

Murder at the U is the seven part podcast

on the case and ESPN's investigation.

Thank you guys.

Thank you for being on with us.

Thank you so much.

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