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than many people from the UK.

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I lived there for three years in London in the 80s.

Yeah, they have so many different.

I mean, in London you find really everything.

I mean, you find all the dialects or everything from around the world,

all the way people speak English.

The Italian way, the French way, everything.

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Okay, Ludwig, you've spent a long time researching Tolkien

and the Lord of the Rings here.

I find his work some of the best ever.

I think if you had to ask me, which is my favorite movie,

I would say the Lord of the Rings trilogy hands down.

And I know that it's a bit of a departure from the books,

but that's not the discussion.

I'm saying the general storyline for me is just,

it's just epic in every sense of the meaning.

Why did you start looking into the symbolism?

Yes, I was in the first decade of this century.

I had two friends who made me get interested.

One was making me interested in the monetary problem that we have.

And the other was writing books about the symbolism of the Bible.

And I went into both because I had lots of talks with them.

And I got fascinated by both.

And I wrote my first book in 2008 then about the monetary system.

What problems develop automatically?

If you circulate the money that the way it has been circulated for centuries now

and is always circulated against an interest on that.

That's how money gets into circulation.

That has different effects that you can calculate mathematically.

Like you have an automatic scarcity of money.

You get an automatic redistribution from the working to the rich and super rich,

particularly.

So you have this automatic poor rich divide that becomes ever graver,

the longer you circulate money that way.

And today we have a world where a small group of people is about to create a complete monopoly on the whole planet.

That's because the only one reason that is is because we use the money that we use.

And I wanted to show us, so we have the scarcity, we have the redistribution,

we have the hostile competition where companies go to war,

which is basically only because the money is set up the way it is set up.

It wouldn't have to be that way.

The next is automatic creation of waste, so that the resources are wasted.

Those resources are more and more wasted.

Transform the planet in more or less waste land because of having to keep up with the corrosion to grow,

to grow the economy, which comes along with the way the money is circulated.

So that, and then centralization of power, which is ever ongoing,

then the corruption of law, I mean the distortion of law, everything is becoming upside down.

And ultimately it's mafia and criminals taking over the complete legal system,

which is what we have globally.

And all that you can calculate is affected by the money.

And you have this small group of people, which are the only profiteers from the way money is circulated.

So I showed all that in my book, and then I thought, okay, this is all mathematics.

And people are not so much interested in mathematics.

They want to see pictures, they want to see, they want to have both sides of the brain tended to.

And so I thought, so what do I use?

And then my mind was always drawn to the load of the rings because the central negative symbols are so precise

in describing what money does, what kind of world is created by it.

Because the one ring is the monetary system.

And the temptation, the strong temptation is that, if you get a lot of wealth, you no longer have to work.

So that's this, everybody is striving for this ability.

I must have enough, and then I have this income, and then I have that income.

That's what the whole world is for.

And that's the one ring, because this one ring then creates a world that looks like I've shown.

I've shown, no?

The destruction, the injustices, the immense power that the super rich have, the powerlessness that the rest of us has.

All that comes from money.

And then I showed that, and I went deeper.

I mean, I basically, Sauron is the small group of people who control the money and who have all the power, which are mostly invisible.

I mean, you have figures like Elon Musk, Peter Till, Bill Gates, but they are visible, they are not Sauron.

They are just puppets of Sauron, of the people who have the real power over this planet.

And so I went into that, and you said, and it was very, very well showing all these, all these dynamics that I've shown,

particularly there are nine, there are nine effects that money has, and that's the nine ring rights.

So it all fit very well.

And after I published that, I thought there's much more in it, and then for a few years I went even deeper into it.

And I saw, it's not only about money, but it's a big spiritual message to the whole of mankind, the whole lot of the ring thing.

Okay, so just for clarity, you're saying that Tolkien symbolically depicted the entirety of mankind from history.

Yeah.

And in the last 700 years, basically after the reoccurrence of the one ring, you could say, after it was absent for some time,

you can explain the historical developments of the last seven years, if you look at the monetary system.

It was a dominating factor.

The money first, and then the hidden superpower of the people who control the money, who steer everything in the way they wanted.

All that you can show through the Lord of the Rings, yes.

And you go all the way back to ancient Rome, and then go forward to like the 22nd century even.

There were two times in the past of the Lord of the Rings where Sauron actually had the one ring on his fingers.

One was at the time of Numenor, which is symbolically for Atlantis.

So the Atlantians were the first who had this.

Right, this time of this thing that they had a hidden elite to control everything and corrupted everything, which is ultimately why Atlantis was destroyed.

And then they searched again through the time of Egypt and peaked again in ancient Rome.

And then luckily they were stopped, basically because they lost the, they failed in expanding through Germany, because they were ultimately stopped there.

And then after that everything collapsed.

But then, so to say, the way of thinking that was spread by the Romans, this way of thinking of

it also goes along with the legal system, which is also symbolized by the one ring.

It's this attitude that whenever there is a legal dispute,

the original attitude of our ancestors before the Romans was whenever there is a dispute,

where all people have their rights, and you see two people, and you see that both get their right, Matt.

And you see where is the dispute that seemingly not both can have their right.

But then you see, okay, you find a solution that both can live with, and that's, that's basically what the legal system should do.

But what the Romans did is, when there's a dispute, you find one who is guilty, who has to pay.

You kind of commercialize it. You always find one who has to pay.

You put a burden on someone and he has to pay forever.

And that's what the monetary system, you create debt, and people have to pay forever.

And that's not what an economy should do.

So this way of thinking was kind of overcome to a certain extent, through the downfall of Rome,

and through the Germanic, the Germanic's taking over Western Europe.

I mean, the Lombards took over Italy, the Franks took over Gaul, the Goths took over the Abelian Peninsula, the Anglo-Saxons took over Britain.

And that is how the Western culture was created.

So the Germanics was, the symbol is easy to do, you know, easy to do, who, the Germanics were defeated Rome,

but then took over, held on to the ring, that was this, this thinking of the Romans, also creating hierarchies who rule over the others.

So like this way of creating aristocracy was not there in the Germanics before, that was due to the Roman influence that developed.

So you had these hierarchical societies, that was holding onto the run ring in a certain way.

But the economy was kind of freed from that, so there was no, there was no this poor, this rich poor divide was not there throughout the Middle Ages.

It only returned at a certain time.

And that is when the, when the small groups formed, like in the 14th century, that are today about to get control over the entire planet.

And that's all shown symbolically by, I mean, yeah, what I wanted to say, easy to do was the Germanics, and they took over like all the Western Rome, like Italy took over Italy, it took over a goal, which became France, they took over Spain and Portugal took over Britain.

And that is basically what Western, the area that created Western culture, because that's the main parts where the white people from, from the States came from, basically from that part, from that Germanic or Germanized parts of Europe.

And also the Australians and the white South Africans, and so that's basically the Western world.

That is Aragon, the air of Isildur, the culture that comes, that goes back to this ancient Germanics and the parts of Europe they took over.

And that is today the part, the one person, Sauron, fears most, is Aragon.

So the one thing that the Western, that the global elites are trying to take this planet, the one thing they fear most is the,

the original Western values that we hold, and that were very much corrupted in the last 60 years, through all the things that happened to the Western world, like the sexual revolution, the feminism, and this whole complete spread of materialism and selfishness and ego and me, me, me,

that went into the culture and that is really destroying our cultural roots. But if we get back to those roots, if we can revive this true Western culture that really protects freedom, if we can preserve that, then they will fail, and they know that.

That's why they have been trying everything to destroy the Western world in the last 60 years.

Did you know that Tolkien was born here in South Africa?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that, and you know that the word Tolkien, and the name Tolkien is a German name, so he had German ancestry also.

Yes, and well, I believe, create me from wrong, but his father was a banker, which gave him some insight.

Okay, it doesn't astonish me, I didn't know it doesn't astonish me.

I might have it wrong, but I recall reading that some way, which would also, which would also then feed into how he would have understood the monetary system.

Yeah, and he was absolutely horrified by the world walls. He absolutely hated that Western people, that Western people were killing each other off, that was such a disaster.

So obviously Ludwig, I know it's very complex, but just very briefly, anybody listening to this will immediately want to know how some of the characters fit into the framework that you laying out.

If you know the tree of life, you know what it looks like, it's like there's a circle at the top, and then you have two, two, two, and between the lower two ones, there's a central one, and there's one, one.

That's a depiction, really, of the seven levels of human consciousness, from physical to the divine.

So it's a physical, the energetic, the mental, then the heart, which is at the center, then the spiritual, then the soul level, and then God.

And all these levels, for all these levels, Tolkien has symbols.

So if you know, if you happen to know the, we just briefly touch it, right?

If you happen to know the Sermarillion, it's...

It's a Illuvati beginning who creates everything, so that's a symbol for God.

But he basically creates the Vala, and then leaves the scene, and the Vala do everything else.

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I just have to oil my voice, otherwise I'm losing it.

So the next two parts are the Vala's, who then went on to create everything in...

So he created the Vala's, and he created these two continents, Amman and Middle-Earth.

Amman is the symbol for unity consciousness, where you have only God, only the divine, and so to say, of the positive, negative side, you have only the positive, there's no second, there's no negativity.

Just love and awareness and everything that is divine.

So that's a state that you can lose and drop into duality, where there is also ego and negativity.

And that place that we can drop to is Middle-Earth, where the elves that committed a sin in Amman and then had to leave and had to go to Middle-Earth.

So that's this condition, where the Bible says, when Adam and Eve lost the paradise, that's this fall from unity into duality, where everything is connected, you can't have joy without sorrow.

Everything has a second side.

And that's the experience we make on Earth as humans.

So that's basically where he starts and develops everything else.

It's kind of merely mythological at the beginning, but then becomes historical.

Because he goes into Numenor, which is Atlantis, and then he goes into the second time that Sauron had to ring on, which is Egypt and Rome.

And then that is stopped, but not really solved. And then you have the Middle Ages.

And then the monetary system, as we have it today, returned in the 14th century.

And then all the problems came.

So you have the soul level, which is the Valas, and you have the spirit level, which is the elves.

It's our spiritual, the spiritual level of our consciousness.

Then you have the heart, which is the half elves, and the half elves, like Elron.

He has an ancestor called Milian, who came from Amman, who was sent by the Valas.

So she was a Maya.

So she came from that soul level, then he has Elven ancestry, which is the spirit level, and he has men in his ancestry, which is the mental level.

So which is a symbol that we had an spiritual evolution where the heart became the place that connects all the levels of our consciousness.

And where you can, through the heart, through the love in the heart, you can experience God.

It's actually the only way to reach God. It's through the love in the heart.

There's no other way.

That's what he showed through his symbolism.

And also, of course, how we lost it, how we got lost in negativity, again and again, and how it's very complex to read my books.

But I'm trying to...

So you have the soul level, let's get back to the symbolism. Otherwise, I get lost.

You have the Valas, the elves, the half elves, then you have men, then you have the dwarves, and actually you have two points for the Valas, which is male female, two points for the elves, male female, two points for the men, which is male female.

And then you have one point for the dwarves, and what people don't realize there is only male dwarves, which of course, biologically speaking, that is impossible.

But this is a symbolic world.

And the qualities is depicting through the dwarves mainly male qualities. There's no female qualities on that level.

Because on the energetic level, the energetic part of our consciousness is about our desires, our sense of how we feel taken care of in life, how we feel in a group of people or in society, which is about comparing with others.

That's the energy where feelings like envy and jealousy come. That's the energetic part. And where you need to stand, like you have to take a stand of being renouncing your desires or taking a stand for nonviolence, which is male masculine attitudes. That's where there is only masculine dwarves.

And then you have the lowest point, which is the physical plane, which is middle earth, where everything takes place. So all our experiences bound to this physical body that we have.

So that's the entirety of the tree of life is depicted by Tolkien symbolism.

And what you don't have there yet is the Hobbits, which is an additional layer, which came later, where he says they are closely related to men to us.

And that's depicting that there came a time when human thinking was mostly dominated through certain patterns or habits of thinking. And Hobbits mean habits.

There's habits. And there's three types of Hobbits. There's the original English ones. I don't even know. They have names. Anyway, one stands. That's the three, what the Indians call Gunas.

It's tamasic, rajasic, and satvik. So the tamas is the tendency to laziness, to do nothing, to inertia.

The rajas is the tendency to be active, to be always doing something. And the satvik is the only level of habits that is actually suitable for the spiritual path,

where you have a balance of activity and inertia, where you're not prone to laziness and you're not prone to restlessness.

Common sense. So that would be common sense. It's a place of the mind where you can stay active, but stay focused, always focused and relaxed.

And that state is what we need to progress on the spiritual path. And is that Frodo?

From those Hobbits Frodo comes. Yes, okay. And Mary comes. And Pippin comes. And Sam comes. And Bilbo comes. The Baggins, which explains at some point at the beginning of the Lord of things, where these Hobbits stand from. For him, everything is who does someone belong to and where does his stand from. That's what defines the meaning of the figures.

You see where they come from. Then you can see, okay, what quality do they stand for? And the Baggins, the word bag. I mean, the bag takes on everything. Right? Yes. The Baggins is his, his symbol for common sense.

It's common sense. So Bilbo and Frodo's difference being that Bilbo is the, I think the right side of the brain and Frodo is the left side.

And there was a time when Bilbo passed on the ring to Frodo, which refers to a time around 1800, when due to industrialization,

the way people thought in Europe and in the Western world shifted towards more, towards the more analytical side. That also when the school system came and everybody had to go to school. And we were, we were taught to, well, to, to predominantly act with the left side of the brain.

That was the shift. But so we have all these influences in our life and we learn so many things, most of which we don't have sufficient data to actually have an opinion on them.

We just hear all these things and we don't even have the time to, to analyze most things, to come to, like, no, to, to a place where we say, okay, I have saw through this and I believe this and this.

So mostly through life, because we just don't have to, because it's so complex what comes to us, particularly through the internet now and all the media, that the one thing that we always have to keep and use is common sense.

Because it's our mind that makes a decision, you make a decision this way or that way. Mostly you have insufficient data. But the best guess you have, use your common sense. And that's why Frodo is the most, is the ring bearer, because the problem that we have in our life, we ultimately have to use our common sense predominantly.

But even though towards the end Frodo was losing that ability.

Yeah, because the, well, that's a symbol for the spiritual past that as human beings we can only go to a certain point and to ultimately reach the goal of returning to the true place who we are, to the true child of God that we have.

The child of God that we really are, that needs grace. And what ultimately saves him is grace. So that grace everyone needs at the end.

Sam, so I mean Sam, Sam was the one who kind of saved the day in many ways.

Yeah, Sam, Sam is a symbol when he thought of accompanying Frodo on the path.

The first thing that came to his mind, and from us to Frodo, how are we going to see else? I want to see else. So he's completely focused on this spiritual, spiritual side of life.

The else is the spirit. So the spiritual values. And so now the quality stands for is optimism.

Staying optimistic. No matter how hard it becomes, no matter how big the problems are, no matter how hopeless everything may seem.

And even if our mind thinks, like Frodo thinks, I have no more hope left. If you have hope left, you go on. I just follow you. That's mostly the end.

That's this quality. We can reach the world that we want. We can reach this world of peace, of freedom for everyone. It looks hopeless.

But if we lose that optimism, we are lost. That's why Sam is the most important figure in many ways.

We must have that, not because it's justified to be optimistic, but because we cannot live without optimism.

What is the symbolism of Gandalf and Saruman?

Well, Gandalf has basically this, the wisdom chakra here, that connects through to the divine. So he comes from Aman, which is unity consciousness.

So Gandalf is the ability to go even far beyond common sense and look with supreme wisdom at things.

And that's a quality that we are actually developing through this. And which is, which we need. I mean, we need this, this wisdom.

Yeah, that's what he stands for. Saruman is, you see, where's the Western people?

We came from the ancient Celts and Germanics. And in pre-Christian times, there was a lot of wisdom in these people, which was kind of largely destroyed.

And then, yeah, unavailable because of Romanization and because of Christianization.

And Saruman is the quality that, which became really active in the 16, 17, 18 centuries.

Like one figure like that was Shakespeare, because he had all these figures which came from the pre-Christian time.

Like the, I think he had all the, I don't know if he had elves, but various, all these things. And he tried to reconnect with that a lot.

And there were, there were these currents in Europe where people wanted to reconnect with that time and regain the wisdom from that time that was lost through Christianity.

And that's Saruman, but those, those currents, those spiritual currents, they were largely corrupted through nationalism in the 19th century.

That's where ultimately the fascism and national socialism came from.

And that's, that's, that's the betrayal of Saruman.

Yeah, you actually see what it looks kind of like World War II that's being represented in, in the movie.

Ah, yeah, the Urokai. I mean, there, there are these orcs by Saruman who hate daylight and the Urokai that Saruman created, they can run even in daytime.

Which is that the racist ideologies that were spread by, by the Nazis and the other fascist regimes, they were made normal.

It was normalized to be racist against certain other peoples. So this utterly despicable view of looking down on people because of, just because of who they were, where they were born or this was made acceptable.

So that is that these orcs, these negative, absolute negative despicable views of life, they were made to look normal. That's the, I mean, the Urokai, they symbolized this, this negativity that was created by, by fascism in Europe.

And also you see that Saruman, after the war of M. Steve, Helm Steve, he lost all his power.

So that was the end of fascism. So when he lost, that was the time, that's one of the places where you can see where we are on the timeline.

When Saruman Lotsap was 1945, what's interesting there also is that the trees nature got involved with that, with that war.

Yeah, that is, I mean, that symbolism goes very deep. Yes, but the ends are, they are all, I mean, Tolkien has mortal and immortal figures, right?

And the, as human beings, we have an eternal spirit and an eternal soul, which is there before we were born, which will be there after we die.

And the aspect of the consciousness that is eternal in us is symbolized by the immortal figures.

So the elves are immortal, the ends are immortal, the vallas, of course, are immortal, the soul is immortal.

And Saruman is not immortal, but he only dies at the end, which means that these negative forces, that the human mind is bound to, which you would call ego normally, everything that circles around ego, that's what Saruman symbolizes.

Also means that the ego doesn't die when your body dies, whatever ego you have, you will take into the next life and you have to cope with it.

And only when you reach that spiritual goal, can the ego leave and you can reach true, the place of true freedom and true peace, that's basically what the symbolism sends in the end.

But the fascinating thing is that the whole load of the wings is actually telling the stories that the story that we are going through right now.

We are going through this.

And I'm getting lost, what does that want to say?

It's a bit difficult to keep a focus.

The ends, they symbolize the place of complete stillness within the human mind.

So that's what you can reach through meditation.

When you meditate, I don't know if you're a person who meditates, those who meditate, they know, when you reach this place of complete inner silence and peace, that's the ends.

And at some point, the tree bear says, on which side am I? I'm on nobody's side because nobody is on my side.

Because all the other qualities, they represent some kind of activity in the human mind.

But he stands for this silence of non-activity.

And every motion that is created in the mind is basically not on the side of the ends, you understand?

And what he shows is that during the Nazi era in Germany and World War II, in particular, where the propaganda was reaching peak levels.

I mean, on both sides and on the allied side, where it was just full of anti-Nazi propaganda, kill the Germans, kill the Germans, kill the Germans.

And in Germany, of course, there was a Nazi propaganda.

And that's the Urokai who went into Fangorn forest and really angered the ends.

Because that propaganda really destroyed the inner silence that people had.

So it was impossible to escape because it was so noisy.

And in a way, it was also absolutely ridiculous.

I mean, if you look at, if you look at an ideology that places people above others just because of who they were born as, it's so utterly despicable and ridiculous.

And people, you see the problem in Germany was people after the Nazis claimed power.

Those who spoke against them, they quickly landed in prison and many of them were killed.

So people knew the how to withdraw. It was deadly dangerous to speak out against the Nazis.

And they kind of seeked an inner refuge where they disconnected from this noisy propaganda.

And many really found God. Also, many of the soldiers were in such a desperate situation. They just pray.

But through their prayer, many of them found this inner place where they were connected with God. Found this inner silence.

So Mary and Pippin, they are qualities. They stand for Maryness and Joyfulness, which is Mary and Pippin is for the lightheartedness.

And the Nazis really wanted to take this complete power. But they didn't, which is they wanted to take.

Saruman wanted the ring from Frodo. But all he managed was to get his hand on Pippin and Mary.

Was that through the world they created, for some years, they took away people's joy in life and they took away the lightheartedness, which was these two hobbits.

But through the revival of the ends, which is that people had to go within through this horrors of war or two.

They just had to go within and they couldn't do anything much. They couldn't do much else.

And many found this inner place of silence. And in this spiritual connection, they also found that they would actually be able to feel some joy in life again and some lightheartedness.

That is the revival of Mary and Pippin through the ends. You see, it's a very complex. But it is exactly depicting what really happened.

It's a different kind of history books because he shows what did really happen in human's minds at that time.

And that ultimately was a downfall because people reconnecting with God, they could utterly see the despicability and ridiculousness of fascism, of nationalism.

The Germans also, they very much disconnected. There were not many Nazis left at the end of the war. They knew they had been completely betrayed by this.

So, Ludwig, if we take then a slightly more meta view, if I can say that, of the control mechanism.

The thing is, when you ask me certain questions, I have to explain what it means and why it means that.

Exactly.

Exactly. Right. So if we're looking at some of the sort of meta zoomed out control mechanisms, you had Soron representing high finance, which you were talking about in the beginning, you had the king, the king of ringsroth representing the deep state, I believe.

And then...

Yes.

The ring...

The ringroth is very...

Yes. And then Minas Morgul representing... What did you say?

Mention media.

Yes.

Mention media.

The war comes from Minas Morgul. That's where the troops come. And that's the war of the mainstream media that started basically...

Well, they took Osgilia's first. Osgilia is the lowest chakra.

So they went at people's integrity on the sexual level. So they started the sexual revolution, which is...

Soron taking Osgilia as the sexual revolution and feminism.

Feminism was always targeted at destroying families, destroying the relationship between men and women, using women to destroy families.

That's feminism.

And so that was what the war started with, what they did in the 60s.

And then they went on to the fields, which is really spreading of...

All the negativity have been spreading since 1970.

This materialism, this complete selfishness that people should always think of themselves first.

Tolkien died before a lot of the stuff played out.

Yeah.

Was he making predictions, do you think?

I don't think he was aware of it.

But when he was asked if this is mere fantasy what he's writing, he also said that this is the truth.

I know I'm writing the truth. So what truth?

What truth did he write?

He had some knowledge that he was saying, conveying something very important.

But he was inspired. He came from a place as I perceive it.

He came from a place of inspiration, divine inspiration.

And because he was a man with a very, very good heart and he was very devout, he was a devout Catholic.

Really, he was really, as I feel it, he was really much, very much surrendered to divine love, to the divine.

And that's why God could use him for that.

And part of his work was the suggestion that the first half of the 21st century there would be a...

What did you call it, a five point turning point?

A five stage turning point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this thing.

So if you look at the events of...

I mean, we have three Elven rounds.

We have three rounds of men.

And we have three Draven rounds, which is the nine parts of the human mind,

energetic mental and spiritual.

And if dark forces or ego forces conquer the human mind to destroy us,

they go for the energetic level first, then for the mental level, then for the spiritual level.

So the dominance over the energetic level is symbolized by the one ring coming back and then sorrow on taking shape again.

That's when everything was controlled by money, then the energetic level of the human mind was completely controlled by money.

So the next level was the mental level is the level of the political and legal level of our societies,

which was basically taken over by the formation of the deep state, which has been ever since controlling our governments and also the legal systems,

which really occurred in the 1780s.

And after that you have the total control over the spiritual side, which means the ability to determine what we think to be true and wrong

and what we believe in and what opinions we hold.

That was the takeover of the media, that they steer what we think throughout the media.

When they had that, they basically had complete control over the human mind of most people.

The problem they have is of course the minorities who they don't control, who are dangerous for them.

And this happened by the first world war, basically by one they had this complete control through the media,

control of the energetic level, the money, the economy, the control of the politics, the governments and the control of what we think,

through the mainstream media, since World War II.

So if we ever were to liberate ourselves, we had to reverse that.

So this reversal started basically in the late 1990s.

And more strongly after 9-11, 9-11 was a big wake-up call for many people.

And the first thing was that we liberate our thinking, which is basically what we have reached, I think, through the pandemic.

I think people, they lost control over a critical mass of people. They can't control our thinking anymore.

There's more than a critical number of people who are not no longer fooled by what the media tell them.

So where we are at is the next level, so that level we have freed by now.

The next level would be the most brutal level is that they use the governments to imprison everyone they don't want.

Like in Germany, there are so many people in jail now who spoke out.

And really that system of the king of the ring race, he came from the witch king of Amma.

He then transformed into the king of the ring race. And the witch king of Amma is basically devil worshipping, sacrifice of children.

So what we have to achieve is we have to stop that.

We have to stop this sacrifice of children if we really want to take down the deep state.

And that's what many people have been working on in recent years. And I think we are getting there.

If we bring that to an end, we will gain control over our governments again.

And I think that's the next step we will see this year next year. I think we will see it soon that the deep state will actually fall.

And all these things, and then we can ultimately protect our children that they don't, that they no longer steal our children to sacrifice them, which is still happening today.

I mean, Lord of the Rings ends on a very uplifting nut.

So then we have the liberation of thinking, which already happened, the the takedown of the deep state, which is hopefully happening this next year.

But after that, even without the deep state, they still have, I mean, they own this planet. They still have control over the monetary system.

They still control finances. And they are about to steer things in a way where they are abolishing cash.

If they manage to abolish cash and everyone going along, that would mean total dictatorship.

So there's something we cannot allow. And it must at least be minority that say, okay, when that point comes, there's no more cash.

We have to create an alternative economy. So that's why when the deep state falls, we are not, we are not at the end of our liberation yet.

But then we have taken two of three steps already, if the deep state is down. But we have to reach a point where, where we create true brotherhood among people.

Because these economic measures of exploiting others through investment and getting a return, getting a return on investment is exploitation.

And that's what our whole economy is based on.

What we need to do globally, as a mankind, as a whole, we need to get back to a place of brotherhood where we exploit no one and everybody can live in peace and prosperity.

And that's the ultimate step. And that's going to take some time after, still, some time after the take down of the deep state.

And I mean, there's much more detail to us, but that's a big, that's the overview you wanted to see, right?

A lot of the rings took what three, four decades to write.

And Tolkien, I mean, he dedicated his life to it. So trying to, trying to tap into this just in a space of one hour is insanity.

And I think you've done a pretty good, a pretty good job, thus far.

And I suspect Ludwig, I'll have to invite you back for more, because obviously there's a lot more.

Yeah.

But just what you could kind of, as we, as we, as we come in sort of for, for the final lap, if you could, if you could maybe perhaps tell me, how can we apply to our daily lives,

Lord of the Rings symbolism?

This is all about spiritual reorientation and becoming true humans.

That's what the whole symbolism is. He's shown us how we were tempted to go into a materialism and selfishness that we've thought we have a right to be that materialistic.

And then see that this selfishness and that this material is really destroying everything that is truly human.

That we reorient, reorientate and go back and find the true values in life.

That's something every human being has to do to, to re, to go back, go within and see what is really important for me.

What values are so important that this is what I stand for.

This is what I want to live for.

And if enough people do that, we take a stand for, for a world where, of peace and where, where people, where we, where the social values of how we deal with each other become more important than the gains, than the financial gains and things.

Then we can transform this world back into what God wants it to be like.

I mean, it's a spiritual journey that everyone has and it's also a spiritual journey that we take together collectively.

And Tolkien himself obviously didn't like the fact that money came with interest and so he would have proposed interest-free monetary system.

I don't know if he knew it.

Yeah, he could have. I don't know. It was Zivio Gazelle at the time. You know, there were three major projects before the Nazis took over.

There were three major projects which were all crushed. I mean, no.

There was one in Germany, one in Austria, and one in Switzerland.

The one in Germany was over 1,000 companies creating an interest-free economy among themselves, like interest-free supply chains.

But like was becoming successful, Berlin just looked at it and said, no, we prohibit this. So it was like crushed by the government.

And Virgil also, when it was so successful that people created wealth in the middle of the world economic crisis, Vienna came and said, well, if you don't stop this, we're going to send troops, military troops.

They also crushed it.

It sounds a little bit like you were referring to the Hanziatic League.

Oh, that was earlier.

No, that was in the early 1930s.

Yeah, okay.

And it was basically the rise of the Nazis that stopped all that.

That was very strong.

But wasn't the Hanziatic League also interest-free?

I'm sure they were.

We had an interest-free economy in Europe, which was the phase of the absence of the One Ring.

The One Ring got lost.

That was the time when in Europe, there were forms of interest-free economy.

And the Middle Ages are very falsely depicted in our history books, because it was a time of great prosperity, great freedom.

Women were naturally kind of equal, had equal rights.

And nobody speaks about it, because they don't want to know us.

They want us to know it, because know that there's an alternative form of monetary system that would actually liberate us and make us all prosperous.

And the only ones who would lose out would be the super rich.

There would be no billionaires, but really, who needs to be a billionaire?

Nobody needs to be a billionaire.

Nobody needs that much money.

Unless you want to exploit others.

Alright, Ludwig, this is absolutely fascinating.

How can I follow your work?

So I have translated two of my talking books into English,

which is available as an e-book.

I have no published in England or America yet, but it's available in e-book form.

And it's also available as an audio book.

So there was an Englishman who lives in Wales.

Oh, no, in Wales.

Is he going to an accent that I'm not going to be able to follow?

No, no, he's in English.

It's very good English.

He's from Manchester.

I don't know if he has a very, very slight Manchester accent, but not really.

He's good English.

No, it's good English.

Yes, so for those listening, what are the names of the books that they can search for?

So it's the ring anioleation, basically, and the symbolism of talking.

The whole middle earth, like it explains water elves, water men, water dwarves, water hobbits, water wizards.

What do you do these places mean?

What are the seven seeing stones?

What are the different rings, the rings of power?

What are they?

Everything is in the symbolism of talking and then the ring annihilation goes from ancient Rome, basically.

So the second time, the second time that Sauron had the ring on his finger towards like the Lord of the Rings, which goes into our future.

And yeah, talking shows us we will reach this place.

We, although it looks hopeless to many people still, we will get there.

We will reach a place of world peace and peace in freedom.

Not their new world, older peace, but peace in freedom for everyone and prosperity for everyone.

We will get there.

Ludwig Garts, thank you for joining me in the trenches.